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  • Posted By: jmreyesiii @ 10/23/2007 2:37:47 PM

    To Ruloko: Perhaps you should spend some time living in Afghanistan with the Taliban. You'll learn quickly that there is a difference between Christianity and what the Taliban believe. You tell a Christian that Jesus is a moron, and although he may not like it, he'll allow you to believe it. You tell a Taliban Muhammed is a moron, you have a bullet in your head.

  • Posted By: MCCooper @ 10/23/2007 2:37:29 PM

    We live in Arkansas and have had Mr. Huckabee for for Governor for two terms and that was two too many! He did nothing for our state. He got the first term by default and there wasn't anyone better running against him so it was the lesser of two evils as it is with most today. All you have to do is check his record for yourself!

  • Posted By: BassManMikey @ 10/23/2007 2:37:21 PM

    Man oh Howdy! Now, if a Christian Coalition Third Party doesn't scare you to death, nothing will. As I recall from my high school history, the first settlers in this country (now called the USA) were trying to get away from European countries that were goverened by The Church.
    These are the same knot-heads that figure life in the womb is sacred, but after 18 to 25 years of life, this life is no longer sacred and can be sacrificed to fight a war in Iraq fueled by the greed of the wealthy.
    These people are a scary as it gets. THEY HAVE TOO MUCH POWER NOW.

  • Posted By: m516 @ 10/22/2007 10:49:26 PM

    Sadly most people have forgotten that this country was founded by Christians. People that belived that a child is precious. At conception or otherwise. Even if you dont want to admitt it, this country and it's laws was founded on the very laws of God, and the ten commandments. We as a people have drifted so far away from God that we cant even realize that it's Him we need. When have we as a people known whats best for us. We think we do, but look a society and judge for yourself. Do we? Our founding fathers came to this country to escape religous persecution. So they could serve God the way the Bible says we as people, not just christians should. And every president that has ever served has sworn to uphold the constitution which by all accounts is based on and in the bible. The only reason this country is in the shape it's in, is we have left off doing what the bible say's we should do. So to those of you that believe we would be better off without christians speaking, or standing for what is right, look at history and you will find that every time this country done the right thing, or even prospered it was when a christian stood up for the truth. Even when it wasnt politically correct. For being a christian in todays society is almost taboo. All it takes for evil to previal is for good men to do nothing. Be careful what you wish for. For you might just get it.

    • Posted By: Sepulcherdragon @ 10/23/2007 2:34:34 PM

      Actually the constitution relied heavily on early philosophers such as Aristotle, Plato, Locke, and Hobbes. You might do yourself a favor and look at some of those works, pretty amasing how well written the stuff from Plato and Aristotle are considering they weren't Christians.

    • Posted By: Hodgiemoto @ 10/23/2007 2:21:56 PM

      You are wrong about the constitution being based on the Bible. It was written by men and everyone was welcome to America to practice their religion, not just Christianity. pro-family, pro-union and pro-choice. Thank god if there is one that we can view our opinions like this. Couldnt in the extreme religious countries.

  • Posted By: D1966 @ 10/23/2007 2:33:27 PM

    The term " Christian Conservative" is a misnomer. These folks are fundamentalists, not conservatives. Their denominations have abandoned their spiritual roots for post modern secularism. They preach the gospel of Christ, but they practice the gospel of materialism, power and discrimination. They do not want to render unto Ceasar, they want to be Ceasar.

  • Posted By: tig1dtk @ 10/23/2007 2:33:25 PM

    The "churches" (and those who contribute to them) that insist on imposing their views, via the political process, on the rest of us should NOT be exempt from taxes!!! Propose taxation and it will take about 3.1 milliseconds for them to shut up

  • Posted By: aerospacemajor @ 10/23/2007 2:02:20 PM

    I am a Christian and would definitely vote for a Christian candidate. What is a TRUE Christian? Answer: A person who strives to think, speak and act as Jesus did or would (if He were still here). How does a person know how to behave? It's quite simple: Read, study, discuss and do your best to APPLY God's teachings from the Scriptures, and preferably the Bible should be studied daily--every day of one's life--so that His unchanging word and standards become a very part of our essence. No one can keep God's commandments perfectly, but we are to "strive to enter through the narrow gate" to life. In fact, 1 John 5:3 says: "And this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome." In other words, if God says to keep yourself pure until marriage, do so. If it says to be gentle and kind, work on being that way. Perhaps there is a candidate out there who will stand up for God's expressed will, with no compromises, and not be afraid of popular lobbies who say that good is evil and evil good.

    • Posted By: Just my 2 cents @ 10/23/2007 2:17:12 PM

      If this is true, did you not see that Bush is not what Jesus is?

      • Posted By: Hodgiemoto @ 10/23/2007 2:32:50 PM

        And lead me not into temptation. I will find it myself!

  • Posted By: christiandemocrat @ 10/23/2007 2:31:05 PM

    Please help this Country forget we put GW in office because some voters thought he was a Christian. If the voters had researched his background and seen the cronyism and political manipulation methods he has used to score financially, he may not have been elected in the first place. Many of the so called christions voters are republicans first and christianity comes in a far second. I am a christian and I beleive in God but I refuse to let Pat Roberson control my opinions and thoughts just as I did the Late Jerry Falwell. Hypocracy is running rapid in America and the republicans are winning that race now.

  • Posted By: freethinker101 @ 10/23/2007 2:28:58 PM

    if there is a third party that represents a portion of religious people in our country we need to abandon the USA all together, this will be the end of America as we know it, Religious people have got us into a war, they kill doctors, christians have killed more people in America then all of the terrorists efforts combined, Christianty is an evil and backwards religion. WAKE up and please stop trying to get us all killed, If you dont realize you infringe on all of the rest of us we are no longer free. Sorry but if your a christian you are evil.

  • Posted By: greboo46 @ 10/22/2007 10:14:30 PM

    You know what i wish the christians would shut and sit down. I donot believe they should be involved in politices. At All. And if they want to make a third party go for it. I really donot think it will make a difference. Christians donot have much credibility anyway right now. When Christians go for power,they lose site of God. And that's what they want power, over what people do,think and how they live there lives. And that will destroy them. We donot need a country goveren by Christians, we have separitions between church and state. It must stay that way if we want to continue or way of life. Christians guide people they donot goveron...

    • Posted By: Mr. 101 @ 10/23/2007 11:15:43 AM

      Try these statements on for size: "I do not believe blacks should be involved in politics", "I do not believe women should be involved in politics", "I do not believe Muslims or Hindus should be involved in politics". Anyone of these statements would cause a riot, and rightfully so. Is there some reason that evangelicals, a sizeable minority, should have no influence on how the country is governed? Perhaps we should only allow involvement by people who agree with you. I am tempted to say "I do not believe anti-Christian bigots should be involved in politics", but I believe everyone should have a voice, misguided or not. The gentleman in the interview was calm, reasonable and principled. Have no fear, Christians will never take over the country, and I have not heard anyone propose a state church. The tired mantra of "separation" is just a device attempting to silence others.

      • Posted By: Sepulcherdragon @ 10/23/2007 2:28:56 PM

        I think people should be able to vote how ever suits them. However I don't think Churches which are tax exempt entities, specificaly because they did not want to be influenced by government. You know that BS line about seperation of church and state, should be allowed to publicly support specific canidates and tell their congregations to vote for them.

  • Posted By: micntom @ 10/23/2007 2:25:26 PM

    I have been a long time Republican and I think it is about time the 2 parties quit playing politics. Maybe the only way that can be done is by a 3rd party. It won't be an immediate thing but it has to start some place. I would vote for an honest third party instead of just the lesser of 2 evils.

  • Posted By: tig1dtk @ 10/23/2007 2:24:30 PM

    The so-called rapture story line ix is a vaporous hoax. The "rapture" is NOT in the Bible: it was literally invented by a man named Darby, a Scottish crackpot, in the 1830's.

  • Posted By: njlassi18774 @ 10/23/2007 2:24:17 PM

    a separation between religion and politics is a must to human existense,as u can see as a matter of fact
    all these current problems are caused by religion motivations by a tiny groop of people from all three major
    religion[islam, christianity and judaism],these extrimists are the and for this world history showed that we can live in pease and prosperity with or without any religion and if you go back and look at european history before and after the rule of the church you will see the difference.

  • Posted By: lafferty @ 10/23/2007 2:23:24 PM

    Good riddance! By forming an "independent party" these people will finally either have proof that their idealogy reflects a majority of public opinion, or should only be considered a fringe group that wields political influence only through the inordinate force of the noise they generate. I suspect the latter will be true - hence the relief in putting these idealogues into their own little back room filled with like-minded fanatics.

  • Posted By: techengine @ 10/23/2007 2:21:59 PM

    Vote for Ron Paul! Don't take my word for it, but if he can win the nomination, you should consider him. He is a practicing physician and wants to return America back to basics: ie abolish the federal reserve (fiat money) , abolish the IRS (police force for the fed). Do some research on him and then decide! He's not getting the media coverage because he wants to put the evil do-gooders out of commission!

  • Posted By: techengine @ 10/23/2007 2:20:39 PM

    Vote for Ron Paul! Don't take my word for it, but if he can win the nomination, you should consider him. He is a practicing physician and wants to return America back to basics: ie abolish the federal reserve (fiat money) , abolish the IRS (police force for the fed). Do some research on him and then decide! He's not getting the media coverage because he wants to put the evil do-gooders out of commission!

  • Posted By: 2cents @ 10/23/2007 2:20:27 PM

    A political party that identifies itself as a christian party? What's next a jewish party, and then a muslim one? If ever a religious party were to take control of this country it would mean the end of freedom for all. It would also mean that our political process will look a lot more like Iraq's. But hey, at least we can have fun protesting and rioting, right!

  • Posted By: rensk @ 10/23/2007 12:24:08 PM

    To all the Christians who want to vote "right." As long as there are followers such as yourselves, who truly want to do the "right thing," and therefore will only vote for a pro-life candidate, here's a warning...which has already played out. The candidates who want your vote know you will only vote for a pro-life candidate. And if it were down to one candidate who is pro-life and the other who is pro-choice, you will always choose the pro-life candidate, no matter what else he stands for, because you feel it is your moral obligation. Well guess what, that means that any candidate can tell you he's pro-life, and vote that way should it come up, but is free to play out any other agenda he also has in mind - whether you agree with it or not. As long as candidates can distract you by dangling the pro-life carrot in your face, you will happily support him, no matter what evils he does. Once in office, the pro-life person you voted for can make all kinds of horrible choices, cause misery for thousands of innocent people, and do a lot of things you normally wouldn't approve of. The pro-life label does not make a candidate a good president, senator, governor or anything else. Has voting for George Bush stopped a single abortion in the 7 years he has been in office? Did he overturn Roe v Wade? No, but he got your vote, and even after doing a terrible job his first term, he got your vote again. Still, abortions have happened. In addition, our country has lost its standing in the world. Thousands of men and women have been killed in a war he pushed on us under false pretenses. He has put us in record deficits. He has made government bigger, not smaller. If he were pro-choice and did all that, you'd label him as Godless liberal. It's just possible that a pro-choice candidate could and would do more to reduce unwanted pregnancies, and thus make abortions rare, than a pro-life candidate would. If what is in your heart is to stop abortions, then work to change the hearts of people, work to educate them, promote sexual responsibility, work to make adoptions cheaper and easier. Voting for a pro-life candidate is easy, but may do nothing for your cause. Voting for a candidate who is SMART, CARING, FAIR, DIPLOCATIC, etc is always a better choice than one who simply wears the pro-life label. And, the best candidate, the best president, just may be a flaming liberal. We're all Americans. We should not treat each other like enemies. And we should not be fooled by any label. We should vote for individuals, according to their actions.

    • Posted By: stellamom @ 10/23/2007 2:20:06 PM

      I am glad that the pro-life candidate issue was brought up and I find rensk's warning very timely and accurate. Just look at the recent disgraces of very powerful, very evangelical and very staunch right-wing Christian conservatives that have been discovered living very un-Christian-like lifestyles. I would bet that every one of them touted pro-life postitions. I also find it very interesting that all of this energy is being put into fighting Roe v. Wade and other abortion laws, however many scientific studies have shown that the legality of abortion has NO EFFECT on the number of abortions performed. The ONLY issue that the legality of abortions has an effect on is the safety of the abortions performed. The question then remains: do you really care about your fellow man (woman) or do you just want to enforce your prosthelitizing beliefs?? I again agree with rensk's comments: if you really want change, then work to change hearts and minds. Bombing abortions clinics, shooting gynecologists, screaming at women walking into women's clinics and supporting candidates that support theocracies are TERRORIST methods, whether you want to face it or not. If this is the word of GOD then I think that we would do best to do without.

    • Posted By: Hodgiemoto @ 10/23/2007 2:04:39 PM

      Great Response!

  • Posted By: elgiew @ 10/23/2007 2:19:39 PM

    I am Mormon and was interested to see Mr. Land's comment that the Evangelicals spend their Sunday sermons and lessons learning the LDS faith and new ways to attack it. I doubt very seriously they had an actual LDS member come in to their fold and explain why we believe what we believe. Isn't there enough doctrine in the scriptures to fill up their worship and lesson time? This type of revelation from Mr. Land is very telling about the intolerant and holier-than-thou attitude of the Evangelical movement who were given much to much credit for Bush's rise to power. I am very irritated with Gov. Romney for pandering to and embracing such intolerant people. I hope they create a 3rd party regardless. If they do, in the next few election cycles the entire country will see how irrelevant they really are and how out of step their views are to the rest of the country.

  • Posted By: alexa21 @ 10/23/2007 2:18:27 PM

    Pat4Him - did they? How do you know?

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