'This Is Not a Bluff'

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  • Posted By: BrotherJames @ 10/23/2007 9:49:07 PM

    For those of you who hate Christianity, Christians, and Jesus Christ, can you honestly say that you have anything better to offer to the world than the gospel? I hardly think so!

    • Posted By: cindylou @ 10/24/2007 4:55:21 PM

      i do not hate anyone, yet i am curious why so many christians speak of their superiority? i am not, in any way shape or form ,afraid of offending god or jesus, just because i speak my mind and do my own thing. in fact, if i have to follow some of these weird and silly "rules", then i say, live and let live here on earth. again, as i have posted to others, hell will be much more interesting, stimulating and full of life, than heaven with all its bible-beating, self-righteous, narrow-minded individuals.

    • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/24/2007 12:27:22 PM

      The bible is full of genocide, murder and deception. Sure there are some good things, but most of it is common sense. Animals all over the world share the same common sense yet we don't attribute that to the bible. Take a minute and really look around, listen to what the people around you are endlessly repeating and ask if this really, concretely makes sense. If you make statements without evidence and moreover believe in them, it is not noble or respectable, simply delusional.

  • Posted By: oddsss @ 10/24/2007 3:37:36 PM

    To Quote the geat Lee Strobel..."Antheism..the pursuit of your own agenda in life without moral constraints".

    • Posted By: Boka @ 10/24/2007 4:24:14 PM

      Yes. This is why atheists have no voice in our society. They are irrelevant.

  • Posted By: Awake @ 10/24/2007 10:17:48 AM

    "I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies."
    "The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus...in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter".
    - Thomas Jefferson '

    • Posted By: cindylou @ 10/24/2007 4:02:07 PM

      Enter Your Comment thank you for your quote---that tom was one smart man!!!!!!

  • Posted By: Boka @ 10/24/2007 9:26:41 AM

    I worry about a third party high-jacking the Christian religion. However the liberals have done so much damage to the country that it's time for a change. Gays, feminists and atheists should not have a voice in a moral society.

    • Posted By: oddsss @ 10/24/2007 3:35:12 PM

      Word Up Booka! The key word here is moral. Every one, that I know, who enjoys slandering Christian Beliefs and not believing in Jesus Christ, are ones who live their lives immorally. This is the key. To Quote the geat Lee Strobel..."Antheism..the pursuit of your own agenda in life without moral constraints".

      • Posted By: Boka @ 10/24/2007 3:56:21 PM

        Yes. This is why atheists have no voice in our society. They are irrelevant.

    • Posted By: cindylou @ 10/24/2007 3:53:02 PM

      Enter Your Commenthey, anyone who lives peacefully should have a voice in his or her own government. wow, you sure have lots of separatist-labels going on!!!!!

  • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/23/2007 3:52:41 PM

    People who quote scripture need to grow a brain and realize that it is no more meaningful than if I were to quote from Alice in Wonderland. It doesn't make a point, any more than the crazy person on the street corner screaming that he is the messiah does. Also, remember the founding fathers? Separation of church and state? Just because you have faith in something for no other reason than it's a nice idea, it doesn't give you the right to force your ideals onto the rest of us.

    • Posted By: bmcg @ 10/23/2007 4:02:33 PM

      We don't have to grow one, we were born with one, unlike you apparently.

      • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/23/2007 5:36:28 PM

        That doesn't make any sense...

        • Posted By: bmcg @ 10/23/2007 10:15:27 PM

          You should know, bonehead. It looks to me like you're the one trying to force your opinion on everyone else. And as far as making sense, it looks to me like your the one with a screen name of "badlogic". But I digress. I really need to remember that old saying about arguing with fools...

          • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/24/2007 3:50:58 PM

            That's interesting, you insulted me a few times but didn't make a single point. I think you've really helped to open my eyes. Thank you for your unique insight .

      • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/23/2007 5:41:40 PM

        Great argument btw.

    • Posted By: sweetdave @ 10/23/2007 4:02:48 PM

      Don't stand next to anyone however, the next time there is an electrical storm....

      • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/23/2007 5:38:00 PM

        Your reply is so stereotypical that it's almost funny. Yep, I'm sure god will spank me any day now...

  • Posted By: bean @ 10/23/2007 6:57:46 PM

    we need a third party .a party of belivers.belivers in jesus.country and in the true founding fathers of this nation.

    • Posted By: daisrael @ 10/23/2007 7:02:33 PM

      The founding fathers didnt believe in the jesus christ "stuff". Thomas Jefferson has some very harsh things to say on that matter in fact. Look it up

      • Posted By: Asong @ 10/23/2007 9:42:16 PM

        Are your Kidding Me? Thomas Jefferson was my ancester!! I just recently purchased the famous Book he wrote where he attempted to interpret scripture: "The Jefferson Bible." You can find it at Amazon.com in the section of "Faith." Please don't make such claims that you don't know anything about.

        • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/24/2007 3:44:34 PM

          I would research your ancestor yourself. He is a famous example of a founding father who question the validity of religion.

    • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/23/2007 7:14:20 PM

      Ok bean, jesus, buddha, mohammed, kermit the frog: none of them founded our country. Many of the founding fathers were agnostics or even deists, believing in god but not religious institutions. They protected us against religious interference by purposefully separating church and state. For the record. anybody who makes a claim without evidence is simply telling a story. It doesn't matter if it sounds nice, or it's a good idea, or everyone around you thinks the same thing. If there's no evidence, there is no rational reason to believe in it. If I were to pronounce to the world that I can fly and moreover instead of defecating I produce shiny round crackers and if you eat these crackers you will go to heaven where you will enjoy a moderately priced brunch for eternity, people would pronounce me insane. While it might be an interesting idea, and I might like idea of producing crackers and helping people get to heaven, it's doubtful to be true.

  • Posted By: Hermio @ 10/23/2007 7:28:31 PM

    It is about time people stop pegging the pro-life issue as a religious issue, as one where a group of people try to impose their religious beliefs on others. It is in reality a civil rights and biology issue. It is an undeniable fact that an unborn child is both alive and human; it is not a non-living mass, and it is certainly not any other form of life. It also is not a part of its mother; its DNA is unique, and it is the job of the placenta to isolate it from its mother's immune system, which would regard it as alien and destroy it. Therfore, abortion is murder, the ultimate civil rights violation.

    • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/23/2007 7:36:24 PM

      Interesting, a tapeworm has different dna and lives inside a person, but we deal with those accordingly. The mother is a person too. Bringing a person into the world is a big decision and I'd rather the people involved be prepared to raise the child well and to provide for it well. If someone isn't ready to do that, who are we to force them to do so?

      • Posted By: bjperry @ 10/23/2007 8:06:47 PM

        Who's forcing them to create a child? After the child has been created (read conceived) it's their responsibility to at least let it be born even if they plan on giving it up. To couch abortion rights as reproductive rights misses the point. No one is forcing you to or prohibiting you from reproducing (conceiving a child) it's only post-conception that pro-life folks feel the need to protect the innocent party (the child). As for the tapeworm comment there is a pretty significant distinction between human life and animal or plant life.

        • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/24/2007 3:41:55 PM

          There is of course a distinction. I was simply highlighting the weakness of the argument. I agree that people should definitely avoid the act of abortion, and use it only as a last resort. But that doesn't give us the right to force a woman to have a baby. As long it is within the usual gestation time restraints I don't see why we can't let people be.

  • Posted By: bob1esq @ 10/23/2007 7:44:28 PM

    Freedom of religion also does not mean freedom from religion. Separation of church and state is not in the constitution and it is not anyone's right to be "free from religion". I notice that those who are opposed to the free exercise of Christian religion always focus on the flaws of those who claim to be Christian. I find it surprising that their focus is not on hell and eternal damnation ; because that is what I would be focusing on if I were them. At least they can have comfort in the knowledge that the Christian faith teaches that those who claim to be Christians but are nothing more than hypocrites will be eternally punished more that those who do not claim to be Christians. I, however, would prefer to not be eternally damned at all. But I guess that is everyone's choice.

    • Posted By: daisrael @ 10/23/2007 7:50:32 PM

      Bob, that catch phrase logic is completely wrong. Freedom of religions DOES mean freadom from religion, if I don't choose to be religious. It should not be on my money, on my pledge, in my courthouses.

      What you choose to believe is your belief. You have that right. There is no way I should have to put up with it as part of my goverment.

      End of story

      • Posted By: aKnight @ 10/24/2007 12:32:20 AM

        Yes you have the right to not be religous, but if you don't recall, it is rule by the many, not the few. And now for those who believe this country was not founded and based on christian values. If you go to the supreme court you will find engraved on the doors the ten comandments. Also on the top of the supreme court you can see near the top of the building facing the middle the worlds law givers all facing Moses who is holding the ten comanments.

        • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/24/2007 3:37:02 PM

          Are you implying that the founding fathers personally erected those buildings? They were built years later... jeez.

    • Posted By: paindependant @ 10/23/2007 8:21:01 PM

      It all depends on your definition of " the free exercise of Christian religion". More often than not, that involves disrupting the free exercise of another religion (or disrupting my dinner with some twit saying that I will go to Hell if I don't expose myself to his interpretation of ancient mythology). Freedom of Religion means more than any brand of Christianity. It refers to ALL religions. Christian fundamentalists are the first to scream bloody murder when someone tries to freely exercise a religion that is not Christian. They make me sick with their blatent and obvious hypocracy.

      Maybe Freedom of Religion doesn't guarantee freedom from religion, but civil rights laws do. Trying to impose your religion or your so-called "values" on on anyone IS a violation of their civil rights no matter how you try to justify it.

      • Posted By: hiplikov @ 10/23/2007 8:41:10 PM

        Would you rather we practice your religion of paranoia, resentment, hate, and ridicule. My Lord Jesus tells me to love, to encourage, to acknowledge my weeknes that His Strength be made known. That He died and rose for you and for me. May God bless you. amen

        • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/23/2007 10:28:46 PM

          Mmmhmmm lets see some proof. If Jesus tells you to do things you've got bigger problems than the next president. You know what? Kermit the frog is my savior and whoever wears green on thursdays is saved from eternal damnation. Repent, soon jim henson will rise and show you all the true meaning of xmas!

    • Posted By: daisrael @ 10/23/2007 7:53:47 PM

      Also, read the treaty of tripoli,

      "ARTICLE 11.
      As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"

      Written by the our founding fathers on November 4, 1796.

      • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/23/2007 8:24:21 PM

        I'm pasting a reply I made earlier, it seems to apply:
        jesus, buddha, mohammed, kermit the frog: none of them
        founded our country. Many of the founding fathers were agnostics or even
        deists, believing in god but not religious institutions. They protected us
        against religious interference by purposefully separating church and state.
        For the record. anybody who makes a claim without evidence is simply telling
        a story. It doesn't matter if it sounds nice, or it's a good idea, or
        everyone around you thinks the same thing. If there's no evidence, there is
        no rational reason to believe in it. If I were to pronounce to the world
        that I can fly and moreover instead of defecating I produce shiny round
        crackers and if you eat these crackers you will go to heaven where you will
        enjoy a moderately priced brunch for eternity, people would pronounce me
        insane. While it might be an interesting idea, and I might like idea of
        producing crackers and helping people get to heaven, it's doubtful to be
        true.

  • Posted By: cindylou @ 10/23/2007 6:36:45 PM

    well, what about keeping the petty "values and morals" out of politics? seems to me that the majority of americans just want to live their lives in peace, and if they aren't hurting, harming or infringing on another human being, so be it. "religious" folk, who think they can dictate for all of mankind, hey, stay out of my business. i am way ahead of you, and none of your inane rules are going to change my mind. it will only be when all of us learn to tolerate our uniqueness, that we will really be getting somewhere. i do not care if you go to church 7 times a week, or take communion or whatever you chose to do---so, realize you will never convince me to think, be or act like you do. but, in all respect, i say do your own thing!

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 10/23/2007 6:40:22 PM

      THAT WOULD REQUIRE EVOLVING-NOT IN RELIGIOUS LANG DICTONARY

      • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 10/23/2007 6:46:08 PM

        OR OF PAGAN BELIEF-WHICH IS KOOL AS ALL LIFE IS PRESIOUS AND HAS THE RIGHT TO EXSIST [WITH,BESIDES,TOGETHER] WITH MANKIND

        • Posted By: cindylou @ 10/24/2007 3:34:51 PM

          well, i have found tha tmost religious people take the lowest, most physical meaning of the written texts that they ascribe to---which makes me laugh. hey, i believe that if jesus was to come back here today, he would be more at home with the hippies of the '60's, rather than the uptight, tunnel-visioned christain masses. we had a muslim grad student live with us for almost a year, and wow. really, it opened my eyes. did you know mohammed had rules for how to shower? now what the heck does that have to do with the price of beans? this poor guy spent so much of his day and night following rules, he could not think for himself. yet, what a smart thing to do, mohammed has them bending down, starving themselves, and all sorts of inane things. good "control "tactic, i suppose! but i still say, jesus was a hippie, in thought, word and deed.

  • Posted By: BrotherJames @ 10/24/2007 12:27:58 AM

    viii,
    Yes, I asked a serious question. What difibulator, pacemaker, airbag, or whatever, will keep you or me or anyone else for that matter from death at our appointed time? I am thinking from an eternal prospective, not physical or material. As I said, science has given us many things (such as defibulators, pacemakers and airbags, etc.) that make life better for us. Yet, your life and mine has a source from whom we are made and to whom we are to give an account. God gives life and wisdom and blessing. In him we live and move and have our being. Because of the cross of Jesus Christ all of the world stands or falls, either by faith or unbelief. The question is, where do you stand?

    • Posted By: badlogic @ 10/24/2007 12:39:08 PM

      Wow, you're very deep thinking of eternity no less. You are running your life on a belief that is based on nothing more than wishful thinking and dry literature, and are warning the rest of us to re-evaluate our lives? At the very least you should acknowledge the unknown and rethink what you ACTUALLY know. Be honest with yourself and realize the difference between claims (however attractive) and facts (including evidence). [No more simple analogies about proving the existence of electricity either, stop deluding yourself!]

    • Posted By: viji @ 10/24/2007 1:14:06 AM

      Personally, I stand on the side of the agnostic. Christians and people from other religions have a tendency to call that "sitting on the fence," but I would never be so arrogant as to claim to know things I could never possibly know.

      Humans will never comprehend the eternal because we are ourselves physical and material. For the sake of argument, let's assume for a moment that there is indeed a God who created the entire universe. Something that powerful and all encompassing is something our tiny human brains could never begin to comprehend. Furthermore, assuming something like that actually talks to us is an extremely pompous thing to think. That's why I'm agnostic...because I'm humble.

      Remember, there is a difference between believing and knowing.

  • Posted By: Kj32 @ 10/24/2007 11:20:22 AM

    All I have to say is stop all of this religous debate and anger, and lets all agree that RON PAUL is the man we should vote for. Forget about Romney, Giuliani, or Huckfinn. Read what Ron Paul stands for on his website and you will see.
    Vote Ron Paul for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: Boka @ 10/24/2007 10:33:23 AM

    "Dear Lord, the gods have been good to me. As an offering, I present these milk and cookies. If you wish me to eat them instead, please give me no sign whatsoever ... thy will be done. (munch munch munch)".
    - Homer Simpson

  • Posted By: ReligionProf @ 10/24/2007 9:22:05 AM

    There is a need for a third party, and a few more as well. Many Christians, and many voters in general, are unhappy with the 'values' of either party exclusively . Yet we keep on voting for one party or the other that doesn't quite represent us fully, because we feel we need to choose between the lesser of two evils.

    I for one would like to see a party representing the outlook of Sojourners and the Evangelical middle-to-left, concerned with both social justice and supporting families. The biggest thing such a party would contribute is an alternative to voting along party lines, a willingness to take what is good from either while also being creative and looking for third alternatives.

    http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com

  • Posted By: BrotherJames @ 10/24/2007 8:52:46 AM

    Thanks, oddsss! Blessings to you!

  • Posted By: ruloko @ 10/23/2007 1:52:47 PM

    Does anyone see the similarities between Christian Fundamentalists and the Taliban, or is it just me? I see no difference between the two.

    • Posted By: viji @ 10/24/2007 2:28:14 AM

      There is one difference. Crazy Christians and crazy Muslims are the same, EXCEPT the Muslims have less to lose.

  • Posted By: brotherwhereartthough @ 10/23/2007 12:06:25 AM

    So you're a christian, or you're gay. Another brilliant remark by jesus's finest.

    • Posted By: m516 @ 10/23/2007 11:10:35 PM

      Ya know it's a funny thing that a marrige between a man and woman does'nt need to be defended. But a gay or lesbien relatonship, these folks are always on the defensive. It seem to me if you are doing the right thing you dont have to exlain yourself all the time, or defend your position, or even get offended. But if you're not whyyou walk around mad and ready to tear into anyone that would say anything about it.
      So let what little conscience you have guide you to the right answer as to weather or not people that are gay can indeed be a follower of Jesus Christ and the life that He told us to live. Not what we say we should live. For a Christian is bought with a price, we are not our own. Jesus said if you love him keep his commandments. And as christians our commands come from the Holy Bible, and not any other source. For if we have any other source that we are not followers of The one in whom we as christians profess to believe in and serve as our Lord and Master. Any questions????

      • Posted By: viji @ 10/24/2007 1:53:28 AM

        This is a pretty long statement of defense for your own beliefs. Therefore, by your logic, you're religion must be wrong. Is this true? Of course not! People defend themselves because they're being attacked, not because they're wrong.

        I find it so ironic that Christians like you attack those who are different from yourselves when your savior himself was crucified for being different. The hypocrisy is mind-boggling.

  • Posted By: twoears1mouth @ 10/23/2007 7:05:12 PM

    Well, think about this a moment. Isn't amazing as you read these comments the amount of streeotyping you have going on? I mean can an Evangelical really have a brain? They don't really have any rights under that Constitution, do they? As long as were contemplating religious folks with a particular flavor, why don't we just exclude someone else not up on the latest contempary thought . If God is dead, why don't just act like it? Well, I guess some of us think He still has something to do with us. And we open Pandora's Box for the future and our children if we continue down the trend we are on. And although we often stick our foot in our mouth and do a poor job of acting in an unprejudiced manner of loving, we can observe once again in this comment section that prejudice and stereotype is all over and it hasn't seemed to stop anyone of us (i.e.you or I) who think we exclusively hold the franchise on non-judgementalism/ non-hate, non-prejudice. As an Evangelical, I guess I have a lot to work on there. I hope you might see the log in your own eye. We could probably be a lot more help to one another; despite our recurring oppositions. It helps to have more than our own perspective. Isn't America a great place to be. Many others elsewhere would think so.
    share that common propencity .

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 10/23/2007 7:39:17 PM

      I HOPE YOU WERE TALKING TO ME, BUT I CANNOT HOLD A FRANCHISE. AND YA A LOT OF STEREOTYPEING [IF SPELLED RIGHT] BUT I DON'T CLAIM TO KNOW ANY THING ANY MORE, BUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN OR BEEN THROUGH, AND NO MATTER WHO IS RIGHT I KNOW WERE I'M GOING WHEN I DIE. [OREGON]LOL, TO DIE WITH A LITTLE MERCY AND COMFORT, BUT BACK TO SUBJECT. IT JUST KILLS ME TO SEE SO MUCH OF WHAT WE USED TO CALL A CONSTITUTION, RIPPED AND SREADED LIKE A CHOICE WAVE OR TUBE. OLD CORP MENTALITY HIPPY HEART. IT'S JUST TO MUCH. MY BIGGEST BOTTOM LINE OF A PARTY IS, RELIGION HAS NOT PAID ANY TAXES IN EONS, AND IF THEY CHOSE TO ENTER THE POLITICAL ARENA, AS THEY HAVE ALLREADY. THEN THEY MUST PAY TO PLAY LIKE THE REST OF US! IF THEY SHOULD EVER PAY TAXES ON WHAT'S THERES. THEN IT COULD FUND THE CHILDRENS HEALTHCARE BILL 5 TIMES OVER. I HATE BUSH, BUT IT WAS A GOOD VETO. NO ONE PRODUCT SHOULD EVER BE SINGLED OUT TO PAY FOR A PROGRAM THAT IMPORTANT, WITH AN UN-STABLE TAX BASE LIKE TOBACCO. IF THEY WANT IN POLITICS, PAY TAXES LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

      • Posted By: twoears1mouth @ 10/24/2007 12:53:14 AM

        No, I wasn't targeting your message only. I agree that if a church says it supports a particular candidate then yes it should pay taxes. But a church is essentially made up of individuals who share the same right of self expression as you have. How can they lose that privilige just because they attend a church? Then we get back to believing that religious people don't count in a democracy. Can't happen, despite what others may believe to be overstepping their privilige to participate in this democracy. We can however respectfully agree to disagree.

  • Posted By: Gaithersburger @ 10/23/2007 4:17:57 PM

    Frankly, in addition to a new party I wish the Christian conservatives would find a new country. The US would be a much better place without these hatemongers.

    • Posted By: atruemoderate @ 10/23/2007 4:49:21 PM

      I couldn't disagree more. The Christian right are welcome to stay here and add their voices to the discussion. They just need to stop trying to control the discussion, tell everybody how to behave, limit our freedoms to their particular morals and pass laws mandating everyone believe, behave and live like they think we should.

      • Posted By: m516 @ 10/24/2007 12:37:19 AM

        We are not telling you what we think, but what the bible say's. And as christians we are governed by the law's of God. So for us to tell you anything else would mean going aginst the very word in which we believe. If a christian tell's you what he thinks, then it's just that. But if we tell you what the bible say's about it then it's not us but God's word. God's word say's that if we keep his word then he will make even our enemies to be at peace with us. And as I strive to keep his word I find this to be true.

  • Posted By: Frost845 @ 10/23/2007 9:58:08 PM

    The same way Christians feel about Mormons golden plates IS THE EXACT SAME WAY I FEEL ABOUT JESUS AND YOUR " SO CALLED " HOLEY BIBLE! NOBODY CAN PROVE OR DISPROVE GOD! WE ARE ALL ON A VERY EQUAL RELIGIOUS PLAYING FIELD! JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU KNOW DOES NOT MAKE IT FACT! SCIENCE IS WHAT MAKES YOUR LIFE BETTER! SCIENCE IS WHAT SAVES YOU FROM DEATH! SCIENCE IS PROVEN, TESTED, AND USED BY THE ENTIRE WORLD! RELIGIOUS ZEALOTS CAN GTFO OF MY FKING COUNTRY!

    • Posted By: aKnight @ 10/24/2007 12:04:12 AM

      Man, you need to relax. Your going to pop a vein or something. Yeah science has done great things, but I haven't seen anyone brought back to life from death yet, and I don't expect to see it either. All things come from God, whether you believe in him or not, and by what ever name you know him by. God bless and RELAX.

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