'This Is Not a Bluff'

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  • Posted By: tired and sick @ 10/23/2007 7:54:32 PM

    Don't worry!! Hillary will never make it for president. She has way too much bad baggage that We The People will not forget about. We need a third party (American Party) to put the Dems and Reps into check. Reality check. I am sick and tired of the Dems taxing me to death to give lazy people everything for free and sick of The Reps and Oil BS, the corporate greed and ceo's ridiculous wages and never giving anything back to the employees.
    I'm definitely voting for Huckabee.

    • Posted By: spacecasecowboy @ 10/24/2007 12:01:56 AM

      I agree with an "American Party" it sounds revolutionary. But what political values would this fictional party side with? Down the middle? Diluted with christian right wing values? Perhaps a party that wants to conserve and protect the basic freedoms the human race?

  • Posted By: Orlandofreethinker @ 10/23/2007 4:34:49 PM

    For all you peopel out there who may or may be Christians, I would suggest that you do oe hting that puts these Evangilicals in proper prospective. Read Matthew 6: 5,6,7,8
    "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. " These people don't even follow the teachings of Christ so they should not be claling themselves Christians. They stand up in there Churches and send the preaching ou over the air ways, hardly in "Secret" as was directed by Jesus himself. They should be given NO Credibility or at least read what it is they are supposed to be Preaching!

    • Posted By: m516 @ 10/23/2007 11:50:21 PM

      It amazes me that some wannabe will find a verse in the bible and try to use it aginst christians. Well how about the great commision. Go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, And Holy Ghost. Teaching them whatsoever I have commanded you. Sounds like you are just tring to find something that fit's your idea and you throw out the rest with any values you might have. If it doesnt suit you then it doesnt apply. If you are going to read it, read it all. Not just the parts that work for you. What you think you are special cause you know one or two verses. Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. That means all of them . If your not a christian dont presume to know what God says about anything. If your not then you are a fake and an imposter. Stick to what you know. It certainly is'nt God or his scripture.

    • Posted By: atruemoderate @ 10/23/2007 4:59:28 PM

      Yes! Hoisted on their own pitard, as they say. I love that verse but had forgotten which one it was. Thank you.

  • Posted By: brotherwhereartthough @ 10/23/2007 12:09:10 AM

    This country was NOT founded by Christians. Your bible pretty much says, if you kill you go to hell. So war is out, yet you love Bush and everything he does. If Jesus were here today, looking at all the carnage the US, with all its vast wealth, has done, he would vomit.

    • Posted By: m516 @ 10/23/2007 11:25:16 PM

      Aparently you have never read the bible. For if you had you would read thou shalt not kill. That being translated means murder. War isnt murder. It's WAR. And in war's people die. That is a cold hard fact. But i'm sure you are glad we fought the british so you could call what those men did murder. Cause I bet if you could talk to them they done for the freedoms we all share. The same freedoms we are tring to provide for the Iraqi people. Why dont you go buy the number one selling book in the world and read it before you make comments about something and someone (God) you know nothing about.

  • Posted By: cs4455 @ 10/23/2007 12:02:34 AM

    So with your so called 85% christian majority, you say that Christians are not very popular and that they are persecuted. LOL that's rich. Thanks for the laugh!

    • Posted By: m516 @ 10/23/2007 10:56:41 PM

      I didnt say persecuted. Pay attention. I said we were not very popular. And that it is almost taboo to be a christian. And I will add a christian with an opinion. For weather you like it or not we christians have an opinion and we have as much right under the constitution to voice it as you do. And I believe that the days of the poor christian that lets everybody say what ever thet want about the God that they serve is as over as those that make fun of muhamad in a cartoon. So look out we CHRISTIANS are on the move and with God on our side who can stand aginst us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All Hail King Jesus...................

  • Posted By: m516 @ 10/23/2007 10:42:14 PM

    Wow this is some discussion. I wish we had more candidates to choose from. Cause what we have isnt much. You have Hillary who cant make up her mind about anything, Romney who thinks, and that's about all he does, Giuliani who is about as sharp as a wet noodle, Huckabee who thinks he can talk his way into office without actually doing anything, Obama who want's to pull the faith card when he came to S.C. I would like to see someone that's real not just vieing for votes at whatever the cost. So far I do not see anything real. Nothing solid. Nothing to win my support. So if christians can offer me something real, weather good, or bad, at this point would be refreshing.

    • Posted By: Kj32 @ 10/23/2007 10:51:45 PM

      The media wants you to think that these are the only canidates, but suprise they are not. Have you read what Ron Paul is all about? Check out his website, and what he stands for, and you will find out that he is the canidate that you are looking for.

  • Posted By: m516 @ 10/22/2007 11:04:29 PM

    As I read through some of the comments I realize that christians are not very popular. But do those of you that would bash us christians realize that you are actulay in the minority here. 85% of Americans today profess belief in Jesus Christ. That only leaves 15% that are either gay and lesbien, athiest, or undecided. That's really not very much in reality. And it is certainly not enough to win an election.

    • Posted By: Hodgiemoto @ 10/23/2007 2:43:36 PM

      Where do you get off thinking that Gays and Lesbians are not Christians. We have the same beliefs you do. We just happen to love and follow our true feelings rather than hide behind a cross or book that was written and rewritten and rewritten until it made people with your ideas agree. There are more gay christians than you know of and you might even know quite a few.

      • Posted By: m516 @ 10/23/2007 10:22:19 PM

        Being a practicing gay and a christian is like clouds and wind without the rainfall. Kinda useless is'nt it? That"s just a stupid thing to say. For if you were a christian your consience would absolutly destroy you every time you performed a homesexual act, and that's just a fact. You could'nt stand it. Let alone continue living that way. So if you are a practicing homesexual than your actions show that God, Jesus, or any truth other than your own is not in you.

    • Posted By: stellamom @ 10/23/2007 2:45:13 PM

      To m516: Is this only about winning elections? If one does not believe in Jesus Christ their voice should not be heard? I think that's ludicrous and self-righteous. The will of the majority should NEVER negate the rights of the few. We have an America today because we believe in that as a fundamental. I think that your statistics may be a little off as well. "Belief" in Jesus Christ and knowledge of a person known as Jesus Christ should never be confused as being one and the same. You stated that 85% of Americans "believe" in Jesus Christ and the rest are either gay, ***, athiest or undecided. You just discounted the millions of followers of all religions that are much older than Christianity. We must face facts that we are a member of a global society as well. The majority of the world population is NOT Christian, I assure you. Back to the article at hand, the reason they will not support Huckabee is simple: they know that he cannot and will not win and that really says it all. It's not about the message, it's not about the beliefs, it's not about anything other than power and control. That's terrifying.

      • Posted By: m516 @ 10/23/2007 10:11:28 PM

        Power and control of what exactly? You started talking about world percentages, I only spoke of American percentages. But if you wish we can say for the sake of dicussion "Higher Power". And now you have just raised that percentage even higher. If A professing Christian were elected what would this person have power over? The U.S.? That's ran by the senate and the house. The president for all intensive purposes is just a talking head. So in fact we should just vote the prettiest one into office, and that should appease everyone, right? Or maybe just vote the one who can lie the best. But one thing for sure, everyone of the candidates will pull that christian, faith card if it means votes.

  • Posted By: oddsss @ 10/23/2007 10:18:08 PM

    Frost845...Your comments may hold true in your mind for this playing field but your logic falls apart for those those who beleive that we will be with the Lord when He comes again. By the way, science is great. I do not think anyone is knocking the advancement of science.

  • Posted By: bmcg @ 10/23/2007 10:12:21 PM

    It's our country too, so if you don't like you, YOU leave.

  • Posted By: oddsss @ 10/23/2007 9:47:38 PM

    Do you think Mr. Romney will use peepstones if he was President?

  • Posted By: Asong @ 10/23/2007 9:26:53 PM

    Excuse Me!! "Christian (?) Activists" If you are supporting the Mormon Mitt Romney, you are only a Christian in your own Verbal Claim, and NOT the Spiritual Truth that is Jesus Christ.
    Mormans worship characters not included in God's Holy Word, that was pre-planned and set forth before mans time began. We, as Christians, are to live AFTER the teachings of Jesus Christ and his Apostles, not state that we now are them - assuming their actual pre-appointed positions of God. Jesus States there is nothing Secret in his church - which is his followers. The Morman Church is 3/4th secretive practices, example: divinated forcasted futures called: Patriarticle Blessings. The Morman Church is rich moneywise only, and not in the True knowledge, understanding, and wisdom that is "Jesus Christ." Their lost and hidden Golden Plates, are suppose to be so thin that they only have one side, have never surfaced for mankind to view - as is the Holy Bible that is revealed in the dead sea scrolls which are infact God's Holy Bible that has been 'unchanged' and worshipped through the grand scheme of time. The Mormans so-stated Book of Morman is the words of Brigham Young and Joseph Smith, both gross polygimists, when Jesus Christ had already taught: One husband, One wife, long before their perverted vanity appeared. There is no difference between Joseph Smith, John Darby Nelson, and Muhammad - who created the Koran. All of this is the imagination of mans own mind, not the True Spirit of Truth which is Jesus Christ. The Morman's state that the Holy Bible is incomplete, not whole. The book of Morman did as the Koran; to steal only parts of the Holy Bible that they could make sense out of - and build their own book. The Holy Bible can only be understood by the spirit of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit only resides in the heart and mind of the believers in Jesus Christ, who seek after his Truth - as already set down and in order by God, our Father, from before this World began. There is NOT "another testament of Jesus Christ" as the Mormans claim their book of morman to be. Only "Two" (Bi -ble) Testaments, the Old and the New.
    The "Christian (?) Activists" who support the Morman religion are just another political group. The Wealth and Riches of God's Wisdom that lives in my heart far surpasss the monetary wealth of the Mormans. The Morman Church has placed itself so very high above all that is True in God, that they would never surrender themselves to our Lord God's Truth, and their own embarrassment. Therefore the Mormans are at high risk for their "Christian soul" NOT being reflected in the Lamb's Book of Life, and all who support them.

  • Posted By: Kj32 @ 10/23/2007 8:34:52 PM

    ----RON PAUL for president, -----He is the only canidate that makes sense. Don't sit around and let mainstream media control you, go out and read about Ron Paul, check out his website, and read what he stands for. What you will find is a canidate that is real, and worth voting for unlike all these other incompetent canidates. Forget about all of this christian theology debate that is going on here, and lets just agree that the only canidate worth electing is Ron Paul.
    Wake up people RON PAUL is your man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 10/23/2007 8:48:46 PM

      NOPE JOHN EDWARDS HAS A KINDER HEART AND A KIND HEART IS BETTER THAN RELIGION IN ITS CURRENT FORM

      • Posted By: Kj32 @ 10/23/2007 9:13:31 PM

        Ok, say whatever you want its a free country, Mr. pinkpanther83417, but you are wrong.
        RON PAUL is the man for the job, and people should be supporting him!!!!
        Vote Ron Paul for president.

  • Posted By: pfachief @ 10/23/2007 5:32:02 PM

    Talk about blind spots. Anyone who attempts to separate Mormonism from Christianity has just displayed a whopping helping of ignorance. HELLO. The name of the church is THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS. Perhaps he should educate himself a bit more before making such ignorant comments. Mitt Romney is as Christian as any Baptist, Presbiterian, Methodist, etc......Do some investigating at www.lds.org and you will find the same. Take the challenge.

    • Posted By: bjperry @ 10/23/2007 5:40:08 PM

      The reason many protestants do not believe LDS are Christian is because LDS do not believe in the same Christ protestants believe in. LDS believe that Christ and Satan are brothers. Since Protestants believe that Christ is part of the Godhead, Satan too would have to be part of the Godhead if he were Christ's brother. Additionally LDS do not believe in the same God protestants believe in. LDS believe God was once a man as we are, who was selected to become a god by the council of gods. This stands in stark contradiction to what protestants believe about the nature of God; He has always been God and always will be God. Additionally, LDS believe we can become gods someday just as their god, who was once a man, became God long ago. This too stands in stark contrast to what protestants believe and sounds vaguely like what Satan promised Adam and Eve in the garden, "Eat the fruit and you shall become as gods".

      There are many reasons for protestants to claim that LDS are not Christian in the sense that protestants are Christian; these are a just a few. That they call themselves The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints makes no difference just as me calling myself a doctor wouldn't make it so.

      • Posted By: pfachief @ 10/23/2007 6:03:36 PM

        BJPerry, sorry to say this, but you do not understand the LDS religion the way you think you do. Nothing you said is accurate in the context in which you explain it. Even the scriptures call Satan the son of the morning who was cast down from heaven in the great premortal council. Read them. We believe that we are heirs to our Heavenly Father and that we are literally his spirit children. He created us in his image and we are his children. If we follow Jesus Christ and repent of our sins we beleive that we can inherit all the blessings that our Heavenly Father has for us. Christ is his son. He died that we might be resurrected and live again. He bled from every pore that we might become spiritually alive and thus qualify to live in God's presence if we endure our lives well. The GodHead is made of 3 individuals, God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. They are 3 distinct and separate personages. Christ's baptisim shows this....Christ is in the water, a voice from heaven says "this is My Beloved Son in whom I am well-Pleased and the Holy Ghost descends in the form of a dove. The fact is this. All protestant/evangelical main-stream Christian religions are the result of protesting the doctrines of Catholicism. None of these chruches has or claims authority from God. None were called of God As was Aaron by the laying on of hands by one having authority. Think about it. Christ sits at the head of the LDS Church. He directs His work through a Living Prophet and 12 Apostles. Just as Christ organized His Church. Through revelation and through a prophet. Surely the Lord God will do nothing except he reveal it to his Prophet. This is scriptural. Do any of the other Christian sects have a prophet, 12 apostles, revelation from Jesus Christ. If not, you need to ask yourself the question why? God Lives. He speaks to his Prophet today. Find out for yourself. Read the Book of Mormon. Take the challenge. The fact that God and Jesus Christ answered a young boys prayer was the greatest single event in the history of this world since Christ's resurrection.
        Yes, I am a Christian. In the PUREST since of the word. I am also a member of the ONLY True Church on this earth, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS. I know this and have no doubt. The Holy Ghost has revealed this to me on many occasions. May you find the same peace and truth some day. If not in this life, in the life to come. You will Know who Christ's Church is. I already do.

        • Posted By: bjperry @ 10/23/2007 9:11:36 PM

          I know what the biblical scriptures say about Satan. I also know what LDS doctrine says in that it claims we're all spirit children of God, Christ being the firstborn. In that sense, LDS doctrine teaches that Christ and Satan are brothers.

          ???Surely the Lord God does nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets??? (Amos 3:7).This says PROPHETS, not PROPHET. Therefore, to claim there's only one prophet, the head of the LDS Church, seems to contradict the scripture you rely upon. True prophets of God are right 100% of the time; yet, Joseph Smith himself was wrong on at least two occasions: 1) Civil War prophecy, and 2) Temple being built in Missouri in his generation. That tells me that Joseph Smith was not a true prophet of God, and because the entire LDS church is built on the premise that the opposite is true, then the entire LDS church falls with him.
          I will not say that Mormons are not Christians as that is for God to decide. Christ speaks all the time, but does not limit it to one Prophet. If I were to accept your premise that because you have one prophet and 12 apostles you're the true church would that mean that I could establish a church with a prophet and 12 apostles and be a true church also? Mathew 24:24 says "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." How do you know that the LDS church has not fallen under the spell of a false prophet? Because you had a "burning in the bosom". The fact that Satan can masquerade as an angel of light would give me reason to question an emotional sensation such as what the LDS church teaches you to do to receive revelation. Paul said in Galatians 1:6-9 "If anyone preaches to you a gospel other than the one that you received; let that one be accursed." What is the Book of Mormon if it isn't a gospel other than the one Paul preached?
          Look to the inconsistencies in Mormon doctrine for the answer to whether it's a true church led by God. I think you'll be surprised by what you find.

  • Posted By: politicaljunky @ 10/23/2007 6:24:34 PM

    The thing that wrong wtih most extreme and hypocritical christians is that you can do anything and just ask for forgiveness. Yeah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: hiplikov @ 10/23/2007 9:00:24 PM

      Comment: My church takes in all who fall short. In fact your welcome to join us as there is another seat awaiting another hypocrite. Jesus is Lord! Grace and peace to you.

  • Posted By: mattr1967 @ 10/22/2007 5:50:20 PM

    I hope they do form a third party, It willfinally separate them from the pack and put them in the margins where they belong. The comment above about Romney not doing better because of his faith is I need to hear. They are not out to love in the greatest democratic nation in the world, they are out to love in their fairy tale version of a christian homeland. What's next, not voting for a woman because she should be relegated to household duties. Yes, they should form a party, it will be fun to watch how fast people run away.

    • Posted By: siberiantiger5 @ 10/23/2007 2:53:48 PM

      Good!! Let the nuts form their own party. I might actually consider voting for a Republican at some point! They need to keep their crazy beliefs out of our faces....maybe we should give them their own state too, where they can regulate what you beleive, eat, and dream!

      • Posted By: tranman12 @ 10/23/2007 3:07:08 PM

        After reading the majority of these comments it came to me this place will wax worse and worse until it's too late. People its bad out there. I hope your ready.

        • Posted By: hiplikov @ 10/23/2007 8:55:19 PM

          Comment: My church takes in all who fall short. In fact your welcome to join us as there is another seat awaiting another hypocrit. Grace and peace to you.

  • Posted By: Letusbe123 @ 10/23/2007 6:42:14 PM

    I find it amazing that in the year 2007 we are discussing the possibility of the religious establishment being able to establish a political party within the United States of America. What is the point of having a constitution which explicitly keeps organized religion out of our political process. I agree that religion cannot be removed from our political leaders, and that it should not be. We cannot have a religious etablishment trying to gain political power over a free country. Our country was founded by people fleeing a country who was lead by a strong religious establishment who was able to persecute those who opposed their doctrines. I think in some ways this country is to strongly opposed to religion in politics; however a RELIGIOUS POLITICAL PARTY goes against the principals of our constitution! While this is being debated why don't we allow this country to adopt a monarchy, and regress to the middle ages. This country already makes to many decisions based on corporate desires, and energy "security", why would we want to start making policy decisions based on a religious establishment many of our citizens would not agree with. Right now our country is becoming extremely polar, we do not need another party pulling us apart. Socialized medicine is not an evil thing, actually allowing people to die because they are poor is evil. I find it funny how so many "religious" people hate to share their wealth. They truely love to hord their riches and walk this earth with their noses in the air, what would Jesus do....Send you all to hell. Hey lets build bombs to kill our "enemies" (not love them) and Screw our own children out of proper medical treatment or a proper education. God save these swine who forsake humanity for the all mighty dollar obviously they are more deserving of your grace!

    • Posted By: DangerBear @ 10/23/2007 6:57:10 PM

      Jesus didn't come to earth to send people to mhell. He came here to save them from hell. God is the judge. He judges based on our lives, heart and attitude. Mock religion and the religous if you want to, but get it right about Jesus. Thank you.

      • Posted By: Frost845 @ 10/23/2007 8:54:33 PM

        Jesus was Black! Black president = Jesus? AM I RIGHT???

  • Posted By: onesouthern christain @ 10/23/2007 8:38:53 PM

    These folks and other evangels are missing the point and will be worse off if they take this route. The issues they are concerned about,(and I am as well) mean nothing to any of the dems and if any of them make it to the WH, we will be devastated by them. Any of the Republican candidates will take the issue to the supreme court by nominating Alito,Roberts,type conservatives and we will control the legal battleground for years to come. Please do not become a snall "issues" voter. Lokk at the bigger picture...

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 10/23/2007 8:53:43 PM

      TO BAD IT WAS A GOP MEMBER BUSH WHO ALLREADY DEVISTATED THIS COUNTRY AND TWO OTHERS WE ARE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR!! SO VOTE REPUBLICAN NO MORE

  • Posted By: jgphxguy @ 10/23/2007 8:18:22 PM

    That's why I am a registered independent. There needs to be a strong third party in this country to get away from all the labels. Vote for the candidate that is best aligned with your view on each issue.

    • Posted By: viji @ 10/23/2007 8:44:49 PM

      If you think about it, a one-party system wouldn't be bad either. This way individual candidates would be running against those in the same party, hence nullifying any party lines.

  • Posted By: graflexdreams @ 10/23/2007 8:37:44 PM

    Regarding comments from bob1esq:
    "I notice that those who are opposed to the free exercise of Christian religion always focus on the flaws of those who claim to be Christian"
    Bob, those of us who don't want to be RULED by Christian religion are against the free exercise of Christian religion!!! That's another huge logical fallacy espoused by the Christian Right. You already HAVE free exercise of Christian religion. Even if the Liberals you so revile are into public nudity and making religious art out of cow dung, you STILL have free exercise of Christian religion! Why do you keep assuming that Liberals want to ABOLISH the free exercise of Christian religion???

  • Posted By: CitizenG @ 10/23/2007 7:30:02 PM

    The most corrupt, vicious, hateful, and judgemental people I have ever met have been those who carry a bible in one hand while slapping the face of their brothers with the other. These religious zealots are not to be trusted. Just reading the responses from this "God Fearing" man makes me cringe.... Hypocrite....

    • Posted By: hiplikov @ 10/23/2007 8:34:49 PM

      My church takes in all who fall short. In fact your welcome to join us as there is another seat awaiting another hypocrit. Grace and peace to you.

  • Posted By: t9900 @ 10/23/2007 8:28:23 PM

    What a said day for non-Christians every where. You other fellow non-Christians here are the most ignorant fools on the face of this Earth. Your blind hatred towards Christians matches that of the KKK's blind hatred of non-whites. You all should be a shamed of yourselves. You care nothing about this country. All you want to do is divide us and make the rest of us non-Christians look like ignorant fools. Do you know who you all remind me of? Bin Laden and his extremist thugs. Believe it or not, but America was created by Christians and with Christian values and freedom to express and practice your own religion. If you don't like that than move somewhere were Christians are prosecuted (because in some places they actually are). Grow up and stop acting like hypocrites. Here is an idea. Re-read your posts. Funny how you are doing the same thing you accuse Christians of doing.
    Here is a few suggestions- read a history book, that wasn't writing by your favorite biased author- learn about whats happening in other countries-stop being ignorant-learn about Christianity-realize that God can not be proven or dis proven-stop blindly hating people just because you do not agree on them-become tolerable to other peoples beliefs or opinions-don't comment if all your ignorant mind can think up of is insulting them based of there spelling or grammer-don't believe everything the media tells you-oh and did I forget to mention
    GROW UP YOU IGNORANT FOOLS
    Fortunetly I'm a non-Christian. My comment would of been completely ignored if I was a Christian. And they call the right wing the ignorant and arrogant ones? And I am not a conservative if you are wondering.

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