The Road to War, Part II

SO RELASTIC YOUR SAYING WE NEED TO DEFEND ISREAL CAUSE THEY RULE LIKE IRAN, AND ARE BETTER THAN US, CAUSE THEY ARE THE CHOSEN, AND WE ARE NOT. SO THEY KNOW THEY ARE BETTER THAN US-REALLY
T99 YA WE GAVE HUSSAIN WHAT HE HAD INCLUDING THE SERIN GAS USED ON THE KURDS. THEN IN 91 WE BLEW IT ALLLL UP, SO NOTHING WAS LEFT. BUSH SR. FOR ALL HIS FAULTS STATED IN HIS MEMOS ABOUT HIS LIFE AND WHY HE DID NOT CONTINUE TO BAGDAD HE SAID AND I'LL QUOTE HERE" WE CANNOT NOW OR EVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO REMOVE HUSSAIN FROM POWER AND KEEP STABILITY" TO BAD HIS SON REFUSES TO LISTEN TO US, OR ANYONE, AND OR LEARN FROM PAST PROBLEMS.

Regarding reddired's comment: "Common sense palys a big role in comprhending what you read...not being lead around by the nose almost blindfolded."

When I read leaders from other countries (who work to obtain nuclear weapons as we speak) blatantly saying they will wipe other countries off the face of the planet I see a leader that must be dealt with. That is the kind of irresponsible talk that was dismissed by most years before 9/11 happened. Bin Laden told us since 98 he was coming and no one did a thing, will it take Iran using a nuke on a country before you people wake up and realize he must be dealt with?

Before you start accusing me of being led around blindly by my nose maybe you ought to read up more on the leader of Iran and see his views on what he is trying to accomplish for the Muslim world. We are at war with Muslim extremists, I don't care how in the minority they are, as the Dems will plead and cry at each turn, it is this minority that is doing the bombing, it is this minority that flew planes into the World Trade Towers, into the fields of Pennsylvania, and the Pentagon.

Knowing all of this and you still wish for us to negotiate with these people who are in the minority, yea ... I'm the blind one.

" Posted By: Realistic American @ 10/26/2007 3:56:39
...Those who accept Him are grafted in to the fold. It is prophesied in the Bible that "those who bless My people will be blessed, but those who curse My people will, in turn, be cursed. My only hope and prayer is that America will recognize our very existence rests on that premise."

Wow! you sound just like those quotes from the Quran from that website I posted below! Except that you replaced Allah with the Bible and Islam with America! How intriguing!

Read this stuff for yourself if you don't believe me. Yes I was being a little sarcastic, but the similarities are obvious nonetheless.
http://www.sultan.org/articles/answers.html

I doubt you realize that as a Christian you have a tremendous amount of things in common with Islam - for better or worse. And, mind you, I don't have anything against either religion. I think both religions could be forces of beauty and peace if it weren't for people twisting the otherwise noble intentions these religions represent.

Just an observation.

It is clear that our president is a complete moron, and is attempting to mask his mistake in invading Iraq by making it part of an even wider and more costly war for the American People.
Uh, t9900, where were those WMDS you refer to? Bush isn't looking for them anymore, he even knows they DIDN"T exist. Wake up, moron!

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!"

This administration has demonstrated nothing but duplicity and incompetence. Its interest lies solely with generating quick profit for big business without regard for the resulting collateral damage not only to our own country, but indeed to the entire world. We need look no further than Iraq to see exactly what would happen should we opt for war with Iran. To expect a different outcome is sheer lunacy.

Iran is, at worst, a gnat on the world elephant's hide; Iraq was less than that. But even if Iran were a world threat, the way to combat that threat would be economically not martially. And the single biggest action we can take would be to eliminate our dependence on middle east oil. We have the technology and resources to become an *exporter* of energy within 15 years. All it would take is the leadership to make it happen.

Sadly, we will have to wait at least until the next administration, because this one clearly has other priorities.

Better to pre-empt a potentially dangerous international foe than wait for the Revolutionary Guard or another terrorist group to detonate a nuclear weapon in one of our cities. If we have the power to prevent such an atrocity we should use it. But it must be done well and the example of Iraq leaves some questions about this administration's ability to do that.

Regarding reddired comment: I was intending to respond to the question of why we should defend Israel but, in the last statement... it is a humanistic view... decided I would be wasting my breath. Only those who follow Christ would understand that Israel is, and will always be, God's chosen people. Those who accept Him are grafted in to the fold. It is prophesied in the Bible that "those who bless My people will be blessed, but those who curse My people will, in turn, be cursed. My only hope and prayer is that America will recognize our very existence rests on that premise.

"It really is ashame the mainstream media isn't able to look through their hate of George Bush and see that in this case, a case separate form that of Iraq, that he is just in wanting to invade and in my opinion should invade Iran and cripple that military and take out those who support terrorist organizations that help kill our men and women fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I long for the day when a reporter or columnist could for once, report a story intended to help this country understand the truth of our enemies, rather then showing their distain for a President."

This is an extremly intelligent coment, one of the few that has been said. There has been an uncountable number of retarded comments though. For example, the comments against Bush and the one saying that all Republicans are morons. Are there any adults here because the most of you must be either children or the most ignorant bast**** on the face of this Earth.
Hey I got an idea, stop listening to the "lets divide America and cause people to ignorantly hate Bush more than extremists hate Americans" media and listen to facts. Yes they exsist. And guess what? Its a FACT that Bush is not the worst President in US history. Its a FACT that your ignorances causes you to divide America even more. Its a FACT that your hate torwards Bush and conservatives overshawdows your ability to even think clearly , let alone allow you to help the nation. Its a FACT that the Iranian government and the Irianian offensive capabilities is a threat to the United States of America and must be dealt with in a strike from the air and not a ground invasion. Its a FACT that we can not leave Iraq untill the peace is restored,. Its a FACT that Iraq had WMDs. Do you want proof of that. We gave it to them. Saddams regime needed to be taking care of as does Chavezs, North koreas, Lybias,and Irans. If you wanted to blame someone for the Iraq War blame the UN and Bush Sr for not finnishing the job in 91. Stop believe wars are easy short, and bloodless. Wars are long, expensive, and bloody (for all sides including civilians) but the outcome for the victor is well worth it if it was faught for a good cause such as WWII, the US Civil War, and other wars that take out evil. The outcome for the Iraq War will be well worth it for the Iraqi people if we stay and finish the job. Further more, Americans should be thanking god right now for only +3000 dead and not tens of or hundreds of thousands dead.

reply to Paul K's position: i think is is hawkish views such as yours that inflames the intolerant ideology that has choked this nation for the past 7 years. Common sense palys a big role in comprhending what you read...not being lead around by the nose almost blindfolded. why is it so important for the u.s. to unilaterally support Isreal? Isreal doles out more terrorist acts than your so called "terrorist"! in fact since the 1940's, "land taking" has been their #1 agenda, with crazy support from the u.s. I think we should only mediate conferences between "at odds" nations and not police them. our focus should be here in the states. the "invasion" you suggest could also be the stance taken by our "enemies" in regards to our imperialistic expansion of "democracy". because we don't share ideaologies with nations such as Iran, does not make them wrong and us right, just different. This is why respect and communication are keys to harmony and the sooner "the blind" realizes this, then the sooner we can look forward to focuses such as peace and the earths preservation. this is not a right or left view......it is a humanistic view.

The Iranian business section has been doing well and we shouldn't worry about them. I think we should worry about all those Iranians who are living in poverty and been victimize by this regime. Iranian regime is a treat. First it destroyed our country and now it has spread its wing to Iraq, Palestine, in general Middle East.
Surprisingly enough that there are many people in Iran are seeking another country help to get rid of this regime. I don't see that personally a right thing but people in Iran feel that they don't have the power so lets someone else to come and get rid of the regime.
Two days ago the students in Poli Technique, Amir Kabir, and Tehran University staged gatherings, their slogan was death to Dictator. No one speaks of what Iranian people want. They want a regime change. We all want the regime change. More talk or negotiation only strengthens the regime and Iranian will suffer more. Up to last couple of years, only Iranians were the victims and now Iraqis or Lebanese. Who would be next? or as long as in Middle East we don't care. Believe it or not, the regime has the power to make life hell in Europe and US. The simple factor is the lobbyist the regime has been able to secure and all different organizations that they are funding and helping under our nose here in US, from NYC, Washington to California.
We need to be more careful and instead of feeling bad for the businesses lets think about Iranians who are suffering everyday in Iran. Russia and China still continuing their business with Iran and of course they don't want any sanction on Iran because the money coming to their country will stop. And of course they don't care about the Human rights or poverty they are also the champion of violation of human rights in their own country.
Lets focus on Iranian people and next people around the world and think if the regime is on with its nuclear power who will suffer ultimately. This regime is notorious for keeling innocents and not caring about human lives. They don't care if they use their bomb and destroy Paris, London, Telaviv, New York, Washington for that matter. They need to have the bomb to become a supper power for the very same reason for staying in power. Lets think about that. Let not wait and be naive to ignore the danger of this regime with its nuclear power after having a disaster in our hand, having millions of lives lost. The mistake that politician made at Hitler's time and the world suffered.

The Iranian business section has been doing well and we shouldn't worry about them. I think we should worry about all those Iranians who are living in poverty and been victimize by this regime. Iranian regime is a treat. First it destroyed our country and now it has spread its wing to Iraq, Palestine, in general Middle East.
Surprisingly enough that there are many people in Iran are seeking another country help to get rid of this regime. I don't see that personally a right thing but people in Iran feel that they don't have the power so lets someone else to come and get rid of the regime.
Two days ago the students in Poli Technique, Amir Kabir, and Tehran University staged gatherings, their slogan was death to Dictator. No one speaks of what Iranian people want. They want a regime change. We all want the regime change. More talk or negotiation only strengthens the regime and Iranian will suffer more. Up to last couple of years, only Iranians were the victims and now Iraqis or Lebanese. Who would be next? or as long as in Middle East we don't care. Believe it or not, the regime has the power to make life hell in Europe and US. The simple factor is the lobbyist the regime has been able to secure and all different organizations that they are funding and helping under our nose here in US, from NYC, Washington to California.
We need to be more careful and instead of feeling bad for the businesses lets think about Iranians who are suffering everyday in Iran. Russia and China still continuing their business with Iran and of course they don't want any sanction on Iran because the money coming to their country will stop. And of course they don't care about the Human rights or poverty they are also the champion of violation of human rights in their own country.
Lets focus on Iranian people and next people around the world and think if the regime is on with its nuclear power who will suffer ultimately. This regime is notorious for keeling innocents and not caring about human lives. They don't care if they use their bomb and destroy Paris, London, Telaviv, New York, Washington for that matter. They need to have the bomb to become a supper power for the very same reason for staying in power. Lets think about that. Let not wait and be naive to ignore the danger of this regime with its nuclear power after having a disaster in our hand, having millions of lives lost. The mistake that politician made at Hitler's time and the world suffered.

The Iranian business section has been doing well and we shouldn't worry about them. I think we should worry about all those Iranians who are living in poverty and been victimize by this regime. Iranian regime is a treat. First it destroyed our country and now it has spread its wing to Iraq, Palestine, in general Middle East.
Surprisingly enough that there are many people in Iran are seeking another country help to get rid of this regime. I don't see that personally a right thing but people in Iran feel that they don't have the power so lets someone else to come and get rid of the regime.
Two days ago the students in Poli Technique, Amir Kabir, and Tehran University staged gatherings, their slogan was death to Dictator. No one speaks of what Iranian people want. They want a regime change. We all want the regime change. More talk or negotiation only strengthens the regime and Iranian will suffer more. Up to last couple of years, only Iranians were the victims and now Iraqis or Lebanese. Who would be next? or as long as in Middle East we don't care. Believe it or not, the regime has the power to make life hell in Europe and US. The simple factor is the lobbyist the regime has been able to secure and all different organizations that they are funding and helping under our nose here in US, from NYC, Washington to California.
We need to be more careful and instead of feeling bad for the businesses lets think about Iranians who are suffering everyday in Iran. Russia and China still continuing their business with Iran and of course they don't want any sanction on Iran because the money coming to their country will stop. And of course they don't care about the Human rights or poverty they are also the champion of violation of human rights in their own country.
Lets focus on Iranian people and next people around the world and think if the regime is on with its nuclear power who will suffer ultimately. This regime is notorious for keeling innocents and not caring about human lives. They don't care if they use their bomb and destroy Paris, London, Telaviv, New York, Washington for that matter. They need to have the bomb to become a supper power for the very same reason for staying in power. Lets think about that. Let not wait and be naive to ignore the danger of this regime with its nuclear power after having a disaster in our hand, having millions of lives lost. The mistake that politician made at Hitler's time and the world suffered.

TIME TO START A WAR! FOR WHAT REASON BESIDES THE BIBLE DO WE NEED TO MAKE ISREAL OUR RESPONSABILITY, CURRET ERA PLEASE NOT FROM 3000 YEARS AGO? WHY DOES A OIL RICH COUNTRY WISHING TO BECOME INDEPENDENT FROM OIL NEED OUR PERMISSION? WHAT REASON DOES THE HEAVIST NUCLEAR COUNTRY, WHO DOES NOT EVEN MANF ITS OWN WEAPONS, HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ANY COUNTRY TRYING TO CARE FOR ITS SELF, AS WE DON'T? BEFORE WE GO TO WAR AGAIN! WE MUST FREE TIWAN FROM CHINA AS PROMISED BY CHENEY DURING THE LAST ELECTION, WHILE BUSH WAS IN CHINA SAYING WE WILL STAND BY CHINA CONCERNING TIWAN. SO ITS SPELLED WRONG, AS LONG AS I CAN SPELL MY COUNTRIES NAME, WHO CARES, OR WHO HAS A RIGHT TO CARE? [BESIDES THEM AND NO DISRESPECT INTENDED] DIGEST THIS, NO MATTER WHERE THE NUKES FALL THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL PAY THE PRICE, AND BY WHAT RIGHT DO WE HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO DO SO? WE HELPED BIN-LAUDEN BANRUPT RUSSIA IN THE LATE 70S, AND NOW RUSSIA HELPS BANKRUPT US-DO UNTO OTHERS AS THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE TO YOU! ATTACK FOR A THOUGHT, AND THE WORLD WILL NOT FOLLOW, CAUSE OUR THOUGHTS ARE SIMALER TO THOSE WE ATTACKED. LAST FEW WARS PRIOR TO 91 AND NOW, WE MADE EVERYTHING WE USED TO GET THE JOB DONE IE: SPEND 2 BILLION A DAY ON THE WAR AND 2 BILLION CAME BACK TO OUR SOIL. NOT TODAY SPEND 2 BILLION AND NEED 2 BILLION MORE CAUSE ONLY HALF A BILLION CAME BACK TO OUR SOIL-WRONG WAY TO WIN-RIGHT WAY TO RUN OUT OF PARTS AND EQUIPMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF BATTLE THOUGH. NUKE EM, AND THEN WE ALL CAN STICK OUR HEADS BETWEEN OUR LEGS AND KISS OUR SORRY BUTTS GOODBY, WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. NOT OUR POLITICIANS, THEY LIVE TO RULE FROM A BUNKER FOR THE NEXT 5 THOUSAND YEARS WAITING FOR THE RADATION TO SUBSIDE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET. IF IT'S STILL HERE THAT IS. THIS IS THE KIND OF WORLD YOU WANT TO RAISE KIDS IN? HOW RUDE. THE QUESTIONS ARE THE SAME THOUGH!

It would be interesting to know if the US government has thought at all about the effects such sanctions on the business sector of Iran will have on its people - not just the minority extremist Islamic regime that is currently claiming representation of them.

It is both interesting and sad to consider the effects US sanctions on the Iranian business sector will have on the people of Iran, speaking of Iran as a community of human beings that are currently ruled by an extremist Islamic regime, which came to power by force and not by democracy. There are no easy answers it seems, as actions taken to prevent the anticipated danger that is potentionally threatening the lives of human beings in other areas of the world also have real and detrimental consequences on the individuals who are represented by the minorty that chooses a precariously under-diplomatic route to international relations (in this sentence you can actually substitute either the Iranian Islamic government or the GWB administration for the minority that is representing the people in an under-diplomatic approach). Is it the responsibility of democratic governments to consider the lives of the people living under the power of enemy regimes or ruling parties that are non-representitive of the nation by majority? I am genuinely curious.

I feel the saddest part of the article is suggesting because of Bush's past wrongful invasion of Iraq, that he is almost crippled from doing the right thing, which in fact is invading Iran. To suggest, as the ONE general does, that we could live with a nuclear Iran, he is wrong. We are not talking about a normal country, we're talking about an Islamic government that SUPPORTS terrorists around the world.

People that want to paint Bush into a corner over Iraq have reasons, many are just, I never supported the invasion, all along it should have been Iran. This country cannot afford to just sit back and WAIT for the people of Iran to rise up and remove those calling for Israel's destruction.

It really is ashame the mainstream media isn't able to look through their hate of George Bush and see that in this case, a case separate form that of Iraq, that he is just in wanting to invade and in my opinion should invade Iran and cripple that military and take out those who support terrorist organizations that help kill our men and women fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I long for the day when a reporter or columnist could for once, report a story intended to help this country understand the truth of our enemies, rather then showing their distain for a President.

Posted By: bubba3000 @ 10/26/2007 2:00:42 PM "You know the biggest sin in the Qu'ran, above murder, rape, incest, and etc... is believing in Jesus."

Please, provide the citation on that if you would. I would like to see that. I'm kind of a first hand knowledge kind of girl.

Actually, most Muslims don't consider it a sin AGAINST Islam, They think it's more of a personal sin that people could see "truth" and still not believe in it. Just like Christians think that way of the Jews, just like every other religion criticizes people who are "unbelievers."

In fact, the Quran recognizes Jesus as a Messenger of God:

"The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary),
was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word" Quran 4:171

(the "no more than" part is interesting, but they still at least recognize him as a Messenger nonetheless).

Here's a site for excerpts of the Quran that talks about it. http://www.sultan.org/articles/answers.html

That doesn't sound like they view it to be worse than rape, murder and incest. It sounds to me like they are just dismayed.

That is how hate is spread, by the way, by making claims about a group of people that are outlandish and wrong. Sure there might be a few Islamic radicals out there who believe what you say they do. But if they don't agree with what their own "Bible" says, then they are not real Muslims. You do know that the vast majority of Muslims are peace lovers? The Quran says to be peaceful.

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IV0603-2947

Read about it yourself.

There is just no question that we need to hit Iran with a complete and comprehensive nuclear first strike. If we don't, they will either attack us or our allies here or there or give their suitcase nuclear bombs to the terrorists. Again, we must not wait for dangers to gather. We must attack !

grmlain i agree read my comments which bsacialy say the same. You must know however the U.S. has it own motivations by adopting the pre-emption policy. It serves as an excuse for Dollar Hegemony more specifically the Petro-Dollar. If you read about the PD you will see our economy has operated on it for about 40 years and we need it to continue or our economy would collapse,