The Road to War, Part II

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  • Posted By: adirondack_1 @ 11/04/2007 7:31:23 AM

    So, in the US a "hardliner" is anyone who opposes an antiwestern regime?

    Iran denys arming militias that are destabilizing Lebanon and Iraq while the facts show otherwise and you, Mr Hirsh, call that an accusation as if it were made up by this administration. Seems to me a whole lot of Iranian arms were used to attack Israel.

    I wonder what purpose you might fill in the Umma Mr Hirsh?

    • Posted By: masherif @ 11/04/2007 10:46:58 AM

      Dear adirondack_1
      I fully agree with you that Iran must stop arming militias that are destabilizing Lebanon. And it seems to me a whole lot of Iranian arms were used to attack Israel.
      Do you agree with me that USA and Europe must intervene that Israel can respect and follow all UN-resolutions?
      Do you agree with me that USA and Europe must stop arming Israel to attack Palestinians?
      I hope you can consider Palestinians as a human who have rights and dignity too!!!

  • Posted By: Iranazad @ 11/04/2007 5:44:36 AM

    Masherif this my last comment I am not going to spend my time more than this to ask you toread what I wrot.
    I did not accusing you please read you 1th comment , you are the one accusing me .
    I am Iranian and I will fight for change ,I never wanted war in Iran ,we had for 8 years ,where have you been on those 8 years? this 30 years Iranian killed by Mulla in the name of Fu... Islam.did anybody care? all others took everything we had away from us.they want to have our oil nobody care even you.did ever think how many Iranain killed in 30 years ? no you and the other like you only talk about Bush and Bush ,was Bush 30 years ago when the Mulla was killing the Iranian?

    • Posted By: masherif @ 11/04/2007 8:50:14 AM

      You said ???Masherif we as Iranian will free our Iran from one like you.??? And you are talking about NAZI!!!
      You said ???I know you are not happy to see that because that oil money will not go to Terrorist.???
      You said ???I know Masherif if Mulla out of Iran many of you will never get nice payroll.???

      And I said ???I fully agree with you that the Mullah regime never deserve support and has to be changed. ... And an US attack will never bring you peace or democracy, if you are really Iranian, what I doubt now fully.??? Again I doubt if you are Iranian. All governments based on religious ideas, not only Islamic intend to be dogmatic and violent. Islamic countries and all others based on ideologies as radical orthodox and Christian fundamentalist like this one from Bush. And therefore I agree with you when you see that Islamic government is a great problem!
      But you said too ???you and the other like you only talk about Bush and Bush ...???. Even this is not true! You may do not like that we talk also about him!!! Do not you?

  • Posted By: Iranazad @ 11/04/2007 6:36:59 AM

    in 1979 stu jimmy carter came also MASHERIF with the same way talking of democracy and peace,look what we got now. Jimmy Cater help the Islamic Nazi come to power and EU (German NAZI) helped them until now to be on power.did Fu jimmy made any comment since 1979 about this Islamic nazi Iranian governmentnian ,NEVER. is it any Democracy in any Islamic countrey?we know are problem ,we can make our countrey.this is 30 year nobody care about us only they payrol.again we will change this FU.... ISLAMIC government with or without help of F... UN.or others.

  • Posted By: Iranazad @ 11/03/2007 11:12:00 PM

    Masherif If we change iran and get it out of the terorists Iranian government hand than we Iranian will not spend our OIL money for TERORIST , this isdifference now between the way we are thinking and the way Mullas think? I know you are not happy to see that because that oil money will not go to Terorist

    • Posted By: masherif @ 11/04/2007 5:04:14 AM

      First. I doubt if you are iranien. Secondely, when somebody like me fully agree with you that the Mulla regime never deserve support and has to be changed and you still accusing me that unconscionable and nonpeacefull way, so I must unfortunately doubt that you will ever be able to create a democratic Iran. Respect others is fundamental! But you are not able to discuss without accusing others don't fully share your ideas. This way of thinking can never be the way for someone who is searching for democracy and peace. As long as you have no respect for others, again there is no any difference now between the way you are thinking and the way Mullas, Bush and Bin Laden think. It is very clear now. And as long as you do not respect others exchanging their different ideas and stop accusing them you will never be credible and your way will never be peacefull and can never be civilized.

      What I deeply hope, also for you that all Iranien can live in peace and democracy without this Mulla regime. An US attack will never bring you peace or democracy, if you are really iranien, what I doubt now fully.

  • Posted By: THINKER2 @ 11/04/2007 4:03:20 AM

    There is more going on than is known. Let's face it, we need the time for technology to advance to replace oil. War has advanced technology the fastest. Think, if the oil were cut for the average US,EU or asiain, ect. we would be back to bicycles and man-U -L labor. Any of you out their who drive a car or use a mechine, think

  • Posted By: steve25 @ 11/03/2007 9:17:02 PM

    An excellent book is, The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians," by Hoffman and Lieberman, available at Amazon--very informative.

  • Posted By: watcher122112 @ 11/03/2007 12:56:22 PM

    OIL, OIL, OIL Reserves #1 Saudi Arabia #2 Canada #3 Iran #4 Iraq #5 Kuwait #6 United Arab Emirates. Peak production is over (2006). It is all downhill from here. No oil is no war machines. No protection. China imports over 50% of its used oil. The US over 70%. US consumes over four times the amount of oil than China. The EU consumes over two times the amount than China. China is growing by leaps and bounds and its machines are very hungry and will only get hungrier. Russia is self sustaining. Producing more oil than they use. They will be sitting back and watching the war. All reserves are at 1.3 trillion with 83 millon a day use. It's not going to last forever. People and governments want to be protected and if you have no oil to run your machines, you have no protection. The only alternative left with no machines is the ICBM's. God help us all. No matter how many lawsuits, Russia has made it's claim in the Arctic floor. He who controls the oil, does control the world. He who controls the water does control life as we know it. The Wakhan Corridor is much more than a way for Osama to get to Mongolia, it is a back door for China as well.

  • Posted By: Iranazad @ 11/03/2007 6:47:21 AM

    Masherif we as Iranian will free our Iran from one like you

    • Posted By: masherif @ 11/03/2007 9:21:57 AM

      Do you see any difference now between the way you are thinking and the way Mullas think? If you are really searching for freedom and liberty, why can not you let others exchange opinions? Do you feel credible?

  • Posted By: Iranazad @ 11/03/2007 6:26:16 AM

    Are you able to read Masherif ? I am Iranian in Iran. why can you take this Mulla and let them to be your government..I know Masherif if Mulla out of Iran many of you will never get nice payroll.
    it is not only us ,we know better than you.it is all of you.

  • Posted By: Iranazad @ 11/03/2007 12:34:09 AM

    If you say that Iranian government is not terorist than in our view as Iranain you are on payroll of this government .can you look and see how many iranain killed pas few days in dand of terorist Mulla made by STU.....P.. Mr Jimmy and keep on power by N.... German

    • Posted By: masherif @ 11/03/2007 5:23:46 AM

      And you? You are on payroll of which government? When you wish to liberate iranien from the Mulla, I fully agree with you, but let iranien people do this. You do not need a second Iraq made by US governement.

  • Posted By: Iranazad @ 11/02/2007 11:49:43 PM

    so the Iranain government they are not terorists?only Israel, I am Iranian we know what our government (Mulla )are doing .you all in west wait and wait until Mulla comes kill you like they are killing us in Iran everyday.I am sorry for all you in west .this almost 30 years of talking crap .go back and look at history of terorist since 1979 when Mr president Jimmy help this Mulla the terorist come to power.and the EU kept them for 30 year .sorry for you all

  • Posted By: steve25 @ 11/02/2007 9:31:16 PM

    Sebastian you are obviously a person who favors attacking Iran--I am sorry but I cannot support that course of action. The charter of the nation of Israel should be rvoked for it was brought about by the notorious Balfour Agrement--which pushed aside prior promises made by England to the Arabs--more Zionist Lobbying. Oh, excuse me, you see that as Anti-Semitic don't you--My friend I suggest you brush up on world history--a world hostory course that wsasn't written at the Yeshiva.

    If any country should have sanctions it should be israel.. The Romans destroyed it in 70 AD, and it will happen again, and again, and again--there is a higher law here.

  • Posted By: steve25 @ 11/02/2007 9:11:38 PM

    Zionist are terorists.

  • Posted By: masherif @ 11/02/2007 1:35:40 PM

    Dear Steve and Sebastian STHLM! How could we be credible II?
    When generalising and equating Zionism with terrorism this is without doubt Anti-Semitism. Historically it has Zionists who wanted to live with the Palestinians in peace, and others who did not wanted it at any price. That meant first expulsion of the Palestinians and then war and oppressive and scorning occupation. If Sebastian really condemned anti-Semitism, then ANTI- (in the sense of branding others) has to be logically condemned. Therefore, I doubt if the comment from Sebastian is credible!

    Now, to Iran. In order to stay with present facts, please read my comment "How could we be credible?" And this "http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21516968"!
    If I would follow your logic, then you give unnoticed Iran and other neighbours of Israel right. Israel has nuclear weapons and according to your logic, if you are living in an Arab country or Iran, Arabs must act now and attack Israel and take out their nuclear program. Today there is no other way. As you said!

    When you talk about ???the Land of Israel???, I understand your thoughts so that you mean "The promised land" and therefore bringing the religious component as justify! If that is so, then I must disappoint you in the hope that you would think about following.

    If God chooses people ???nation of Israel???, then he ???God??? is a racist! Want you say so? And if God promises a land to his chosen people where others live in it, then you are saying that this God know the price for it too. That means war, terror, miserable and expulsion! Why does not he says, live with others, share land and happiness with them. Mixed you and live in peace!!!
    Has Bin Laden then right in your eyes? Because in my eyes you think/use same logic! That this God is violent and including terror in his concept! So God does not exist. Do you mean it so?

  • Posted By: Pecos_Bill @ 11/02/2007 10:39:55 AM

    The Decider has NEVER been able to muster even the most basic pretense of Diplomacy, even tho his father was a master of it, as he proved when he assembled the coalition that ousted Iraq from Kuwait. But the son is an unprincipled fool, and will probably fall for the wildest, most nonsensical solution offered by his set of Flat-Earth advisors. This president is a reckless, foolish menace, and I just pray he will allow his sucessor to deal with Iran, and not unilaterally start another war based on lies like he did in Iraq. I still find it hard to believe that we are allowing this moron to remain in the highest office in our land!

  • Posted By: afype @ 11/01/2007 1:26:26 AM

    God Bless American and all the real Americans who love this country. The rest of terrorist loving, marxist who want this country to be defeated can kiss our collective rear ends. Thnaks Mr. Bush for setting things in middle east. May God alwayse protect this country and protect its inhabitants.
    Signed
    Red, White and Blue

    • Posted By: Tomfortruth @ 11/01/2007 4:23:02 AM

      I hesitate to call you a misguided fool because your perspicacious contribution may have been a joke. You cannot see further than the end of your nose because there is a Zionist ring through it, dragging the USA to hell. Your foreign policy is under the control of a massively powerful Zionist lobby which could not care less about your beloved country. God bless America? Is there a God to bless the death and destruction wrought by the USA as ordered by the Zionists? Only Mars- the God of War! You think the Christian God will bless those redneck Christian fellow bigots of the cowboy President whose answer for everything is "nuke 'em". God help us all - to think that people like you have a right to vote.

      • Posted By: Pecos_Bill @ 11/02/2007 10:33:59 AM

        Afype, Are you serious? What has Bush been "setting" in the Middle East? Endless war? This is the kind of scum that allowed a moron like Bush to run the country into the ground for another four years. Fantastic job, Red White and Blue!

  • Posted By: Sebastian STHLM @ 11/02/2007 7:09:35 AM

    Steve, US pays and sells more to arab countries than what they do to Israel. And, zionism means "a Jewish state in the Land of Israel". That is zionism. All normal people are zionists, and those who blame zionism are antisemites. USA must act now and attack Iran and take out their nuclear program. Today there is no other way.

    Sebastian, Stockholm, Sweden

  • Posted By: Sebastian STHLM @ 11/02/2007 7:09:22 AM

    Steve, US pays and sells more to arab countries than what they do to Israel. And, zionism means "a Jewish state in the Land of Israel". That is zionism. All normal people are zionists, and those who blame zionism are antisemites. USA must act now and attack Iran and take out their nuclear program. Today there is no other way.

    Sebastian, Stockholm, Sweden

  • Posted By: steve25 @ 11/01/2007 10:30:31 PM

    Get the Zionist out of Washington--Israel should pay restitution to the Palestinians and the Usa for funnelling so much of uSA Taxpayers dollars into their own pockets. The USA should ends it's alliance with Israel.

  • Posted By: steve25 @ 11/01/2007 10:25:10 PM

    Zionism is the foremost Terrorist Organization in the world. It is high time the United States ends its allaince with Israel. Who needs Israel, a dust hole of exaggerated self importance. A good book to read is, "The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians" by Hoffman and Lieberman available at Amazon.

    Get the Zionist Lobby out of Washington, Greenspan, Wofowitz, Chertoff, Fleischer, etc.

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