The Road to War, Part II

and you conveniently forget that our precious little brat Israel has more than 200 nukes and most arms and ammunitions than any country in MidEast, and they view US and Israel as the terrorists... sorry you are unable to comprehend that notion :-)

The real reason for US hostility towards Iran: Google "Iran oil in euros" and sift past the consiracy crap until you find some legit literature. Then google "Iraq oil in euros" and you'll find out the real reasons for actions of the Bush administration. Note that just before the US went to war with Iraq, the UN had approved for Iraq to sell its oil in euros which would have had a huge negative impact on the USD. Note that 9/11 and Al queda were the issues at the time and Bush practically dropped that altogether to focus on Iraq, where he had to drum lies about 'the bomb' and chemical weapons as the reason for attacking, meanwhile N. Korea is waving there arms saying "we are building a real bomb, and were even going to test it to prove it!". The administration all but ignored this, lending support to the fact that the iraq war was started based on lies.
Just like an Iran war is trying to be started based on lies. (not saying that Iran doesn't have its problems)

to Paul H:
... and your Jewish Talmud is filled with hate for non-Jews. oh but what do I know, I am just a Gentile or a Goy? or more appropriately in my case a Shiksha?

Ahmedinejad said "erase Israel from pages of history " not "wipe Israel off the map". this is a deliberate mistranslation by Israel-Firster Zionist Jew pigs to justify dragging US into another war for their crappy dustpot Israel.

... I'm curious ... how do you negotiate with a leader like Bush a leader who says Iraq, Syria, Iran will be bombed to submission. When was the last time Iran invaded another country?

PAUL YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK RICHARDSON WHO SPOKE TO N KOREA AND GOT AN OPEN BORDER INSPECTIONS AND ALL THE REQUEST WE HAD, AND DID SAY THE SAME AFTER BEING PUT IN THE AXIS OF EVIL! WORKED THERE!!!

WHO BELIEVES YOU COULD DRINK A BEER IN IRAQ - NOW YOU KNOW WHY ALL AMERICANS ARE ABOVE THE LAW. SO WHEN WE DISRESPECT THERE RELIGION IT'S ALL GOOD-RIGHT? DISRESPECT OURS AND WE NUKE YA PLAIN AND SIMPLE! PROVEN BY JUST THESE COMMENTS ALONE, I SEE NO RESPECT THEY WOULD SHOW, AND HAVE , VISITING OUR COUNTRY!

JIM-LIKE IT OR NOT IT WAS THE GREATEST, AND COULD BE AGAIN. IF WE WANTED IT TO BE! WHY DON'T I LEAVE? I SPILLED BLOOD FOR THE USA AND HAVE THE FAITH IN MYSELF TO KNOW IT WILL BE GREAT AGAIN IF!!! I'M WILLING TO WAIT TILL NOT IF, BUT WHEN.

Curiosity ... I'm curious ... how do you negotiate with a leader like Ahmadinejad, a leader who says Israel will be wiped off the face of the planet? And as we speak, there are negotiations going on. So how long do we negotiate, while Iran quietly defies the joke that the United Nations is? How long is long enough? Till they have the bomb? Till they use the bomb?

This is a country that supports terrorists that regulary kill our men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan, or doesn't that bother you?

Perhaps we should consider that nuclear strength will, as with all types of strength, draw more after it. We may not be in danger of an attack by Iran, but other nations live in their radius of attack.
Perhaps if Pakistan did not have nuclear weapons we would have been less generous with the aid and benefits, and just chased their child state, the taliban, into India. They supported the extremists until about the third attempt on Mushariff's life.
No rational person wants war with a nuclear power, and thus that power can extort concessions from otherwise strong states. Hitler is a prime example of people willing to accept blatent violations of morally, law, and peace in the name of peace.
Which do we chose? Why do we hop on the bandwagon when the political tides blow? War vs. Peace, or Peace vs. War? Why do leaders in the Arabic lands die after signing peace agreements? Why do defeated dictators defy their peace treaties?
If all the bombs, violence, and hatred calmed for long enough so people fear disturbance of the peace, perhaps the momentum of peace could carry people to official peace.
If we stopped caring for the human rights of people who cannot affect our lives, like in Darfur, we might use our strength to our interests and not bother people who otherwise have no reason to hate us. By this logic, we should not condemn genocide but hasten it as it results in homogenous, non-conflicted states. Or we can for better or worse seek justice, prevent the rise of power in unstable areas, and allow our morality to doom us.
Or do what we have been doing and just seek the compromise between the paths.
All criticism and no realistic proposals defeat the purpose of representative government, Rational Thinking.

Perhaps we should consider that nuclear strength will, as with all types of strength, draw more after it. We may not be in danger of an attack by Iran, but other nations live in their radius of attack.
Perhaps if Pakistan did not have nuclear weapons we would have been less generous with the aid and benefits, and just chased their child state, the taliban, into India. They supported the extremists until about the third attempt on Mushariff's life.
No rational person wants war with a nuclear power, and thus that power can extort concessions from otherwise strong states. Hitler is a prime example of people willing to accept blatent violations of morally, law, and peace in the name of peace.
Which do we chose? Why do we hop on the bandwagon when the political tides blow? War vs. Peace, or Peace vs. War? Why do leaders in the Arabic lands die after signing peace agreements? Why do defeated dictators defy their peace treaties?
If all the bombs, violence, and hatred calmed for long enough so people fear disturbance of the peace, perhaps the momentum of peace could carry people to official peace.
If we stopped caring for the human rights of people who cannot affect our lives, like in Darfur, we might use our strength to our interests and not bother people who otherwise have no reason to hate us. By this logic, we should not condemn genocide but hasten it as it results in homogenous, non-conflicted states. Or we can for better or worse seek justice, prevent the rise of power in unstable areas, and allow our morality to doom us.
Or do what we have been doing and just seek the compromise between the paths.
All criticism and no realistic proposals defeat the purpose of representative government, Rational Thinking.

PAUL
OK I UNDERSTAND YOUR DATE NO PROBLEM THERE, BUT TO START TOSSING AROUND NUKES WITH ABSOLUTLY NO EVIDENCE THEY ARE EVEN CLOSE, OR WANT FOR PRE IS DOUBTFUL. THE LEADERS DO NOT REFLECT THE WILL OF ITS PEOPLE ANY LONGER. SO TALK IS NOT SO CHEAP THERE. IF WE SPREAD THE FREEDOM LINE THE PEOPLE WANT THEY WILL GET IT IN TIME. IF WE STAY TRUE TO IT'S MEANING, AND TODAY IN IRAQ, WE DON'T.

It appears to me that this administration is bent on war and controlling the destinies of other nations. This approach marks a sad period in the concepts of democracy and diplomacy. Isn't it amazing that throughout mankind's history, great societies begin their decline when it refuses consultation with the majority of nations, of which, could inevitably lead to peaceful and constructive resolution. May G-d guide and protect the common American from it's own leadership.

Regrading PinkPanther comment: "PAUL NO DISRESPECT INTENDED BUT BIN-LAUDEN TOLD US WHILE WE ARMED HIM." WHEN THE RUSSIANS ARE GONE YOUR NEXT" AND THEN TOOK OUR STINGER MISSLES AND THAT WAS 1979-89. OK, NO PROBLEM OTHER THAN THE DATE, YOUR RIGHT ON THIS POINT! JUST LETTING YOU KNOW OK NO SARCASM NO FIGHTING ITS JUST A DATE."

The date I was referring to (1998) was when Bin Laden and his group, Al-Qaida declared war on the United States ... so my date was fine. What wasn't fine was that our government sat by and did nothing about it. That is the problem with this country, we tend to wait for things to happen before we attack.

I'm tired of the security of this country placed on the back burner to appease those who wish to TALK to Iran, all the while they keep stalling ensuring they will have a nuclear bomb before long.

It wasn't too long ago when people thought they could appease Hitler ... I guess we saw what happened there, huh?

ONE-YOUR RESPONCE TWORDS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE IS NOT VERY CHRISTIAN OF YOU!
TWO- IF THIS SOIL EVER GOT TOUCHED BY ANOTHER COUNTRY, AND I MEAN BORDER TO BORDER COAST TO COAST. I WOULD MAKE BIN-LAUDEN LOOK LIKE TINKER-BELL!!! BUT ISREAL IS NOT MY SOIL! NOR IS IRAQ, BUT WHAT CAME FROM BIN-LAUDEN, YA IN A HEART BEAT, BUT HE IS NOT DEAD, AND WE ARE NOT LOOKING! SO AFGANASTAIN WAS A CORRECT MOVE. GO-SQUISH LAUDEN BETWEEN OUR TOES AND LEAVE PEROID!!!

No replies, or did all the cowards move.

Pinkpanther: If Mexico demanded we give them Arizona or Texas and lobed mortar attacks to further such an agenda, should we them not retaliate? And, please, don't give me the tired line about Israel occupying Palestinian land. Before Israel become a nation, their wasn't such a people as the Palestinians. If you doubt me, check out the history books.