The Road to War, Part II

"Posted By: Realistic American @ 10/26/2007 4:32:19 PM
Comment: In response to thoughtful: You cannot understand what I am saying unless you believe in Christ. And, as far as Christianity being akin to Islam, God forbid! My religigion is one of peace. Obviously, you have never read or studied just exactly what the goal of Islam is. Christianity is a religion that reaches out to the lost, including Moslems. Islam will force conversion by any means, including death. If you doubt me, check out what occurred to the Afganistan man who converted from Islam to Christianity."

Actually Realistic, I've studdied both Christianity and Islam. They are very similar in their essential message of peace and compassion.

"War in Islam as regulated by the Qur'an and hadith has been subject to many distortions by Western scholars and even by some Muslim writers. These are due either to misconceptions about terminology or - above all -using quotations taken out of context.2 Nowhere in the Quran is changing people's religion given as a cause for waging war. The Qur'an gives a clear instruction that there is no compulsion in religion (Quran 2:256). It states that people will remain different (Quran 11:118), they will always have different religions and ways and this is an unalterable fact (Quran 5:48) - God tells the Prophet that most people will not believe "even if you are eager that they should" (Quran 12:103)."
http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IV0603-2947

And for the Christians:

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. . . .
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." ~ Matthew 5: 38-39; 43-45.

They are also very similar in the ways that their followers can corrupt them. The Islamic Jihad of today is very similar to the Christian Crusades of the middle ages in that the rhetoric is the same, but the tactics were different. So yes, True Islam can be perverted just like true Christianity can. What's needed is to remind people of each religion that this is not what thier founders intended...

So with Matthew in mind, how do you justify bombing Iran? It doesn't sound to me like Jesus offered any exceptions...

Understanding one another is the key to truly bringing about peace.

Lets face the fact. The jock, boy-king in WhitewhoreHouse is an alcoholic, born-again Christian and had hardly seen the world before. Now he is heavily under ISRAEL-FIRSTER Jews and evangelicals who rule our Foreign Policy namely via AIPAC (American Israel Pubic Affairs Committee) and JINSA and hundreds of Jewish comittees who have erotic dreams about Greater Israel. This stupid village-idiot. simpleton Bush is so much under Jews' influence that he is drunk with war-mongering and dreams of "spreading democracy"
In most countries this idiot Bush would be unemployed and looking for a job. It's us stupid Americans who "elected" him TWICE!!. Time to kick out disloyal Israel-Firster Jews and take back our country.

This country does more for the world and for its own citizens than any other country in the world.

Oh pinkpanther you are so misguided, I see you have never studied your history. Learn your history and get an education from another source that is different than the liberal radical profesors that are in our colleges because this great country allows them to be.

WE ARE THE BULLIES THOUGH

Reddired: I was once where you are and I can tell you I didn't like to be in that position. I grew up in a religious-neutral home. God wasn't mentioned. It wasn't until I was in my early twenties that a friend gave me a book entitled "Late, Great Planet Earth'" by Hal Lindsey. It forever changed my life. I studied and digested all the world religions, trying to find which was "right". I can tell you, at journeys end, Christianity proved to be the only viable (and believable) religion to which I could espouse. Hopefully, you will take that same journey and find the same peace I now possess.

NO NO I DO BELIEVE IN WHAT HITLER DID THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I DENY EVER!! JUST ISREAL RULES OVER ITS TERRITORY AS A TERRORIST WOULD. ONE PERSON WITH A BOMB [ONLY DELIVERY SYSTEM THEY HAVE] AND ISREAL SENDS IN 5 HELIOS AND DESRTOYS AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD TO KILL SOMEONE WHO IS ALREADY DEAD???

regarding realistic american: i applaud your profound belief in your faith. I respect it. I am a man. why not respect others beliefs opposed to basing everything on the idea that christianity is the only right way. I don't personally know which "religion" is right , but I DO know that love and respect is right. close minded fools such as yourself is why so many people die. but hey, listen, if there is really a heaven, run your ideas past God and see if you get in! BTW , humanistic is in fact something you'll find in the dictionary, unless, of course you know it all.

REPLY to: paul H. Buddy, you gotta stop watching FOX news. Its killing ya! We as a people must expand our mind. I do understand your point to a degree. We cannot trust some of these rogue leaders, however, we as a country are seen as leaders and leaders don't argue with the lesser. America's stance on Isreal and oil causes much dismay around the world. I don't think we have enemies because our flag is different. I think we cause alot of our own problems then blame the world. you speak of attacking iran for wanting to wipe out other countries but iran never mentioned america. if you want america to police then how about dafur.........hello? you still there? yeah, how about, the multiude of sweatshops in China, our heaviest importer...........oh, wait, how about haiti, 1000's died from the hurricane but we barely mentioned this in the news, let alone helped them.
you see, i'd rather keep people alive than kill them.
i await your thoughts.

A little less talk and a lot more action. I'm not for war, but islam is a religion of war, unless you are a muslim. Even then they fight among themselves. It is time to erradicate them or they will attempt to do it to us. America needs to wake up. When the bully at school says he's gonna whip ypur butt, he does. And they will too.

T9900 YA WE ARMED HUSSAIN INCLUDING THE SERIN GAS HE USED ON THE KURDS! THEN IN 91 IF YOU BOTHER TO WATCH OUR BOMBING, WE DESTROYED IT ALLLLL!! THEN USE IT AS AN EXCUSE TO INTERFERE AND CREATE A WAR. SO OUR PRESIDENT COULD NOT BE TRIED FOR HIS PART IN ENRON,WORLDCOM,DELAY AND MORE LOTS MORE, BUT YOU CANNOT TRY A SITTING PRESIDENT DURING A WAR. WICH IS WHY HE DECLARED WAR ON AN ADJECTIVE, AND CHANGED ITS DEFINITION SO NOT TO FIT THE GANGS AND HOMEGROWN TERRORIST HERE AT HOME!

Pinkpanther, come to our church. We would embrace and welcome you with open arms. You aren't responsible for what your mother did or did not do. Granted, a lot of churches want to wear their faith on their arms but the true believers in Jesus know that our sins are not worse than any one else. Jesus isn't a respecter of sin. He views them all as wrong.

Pinkpanther, are you also a Holocaust denier? I don't buy your reasoning that Israel exports terrorism anymore than I would buy into America propitiating terrorism. Reading these comments makes me grateful for something. I thank God my father, a WWII vet, is not alive to hear the inane comments made over such a serious threat as a nuclear Iran. Israel and the Jewish people have suffered persecution on a scale you will never know anything about. If for no other reason than that, I think we should speak up for them. Remember the poem, "They came for the Jew but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a jew...."

REAL WE PROTECT THOSE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN THE FIRST LONGER, MY MOM WAS A SINNER WHO DRANK, AND I WAS KICKED OUT OF MY CHURCH TILL SHE COMING. HUMANS ARE ANIMALS DUMBER THAN MOST, BUT STILL ANIMALS WITH A VERY PRONOUNCED SELF DESTRUCTIVE STREAK IN US, AND IT WILL BE OUR UNDOING. NO I'M NOT RELIGIOUS ANY GOT "FIXED" UNTIL THEN I'M NO LONGER WELCOME, THEN THE CHURCH SLAMED THE DOORS ON HUNGRY HOMELESS VETERANS FROM NAM. SO NO RELIGION HERE! JUST HOMO-PHOBIC, HOMO-SAPHINES SCARE THE SHOT OUT OF ME!!

"Posted By: Pecos_Bill @ 10/26/2007 4:13:11 PM
Comment: It is clear that our president is a complete moron, and is attempting to mask his mistake in invading Iraq by making it part of an even wider and more costly war for the American People.
Uh, t9900, where were those WMDS you refer to? Bush isn't looking for them anymore, he even knows they DIDN"T exist. Wake up, moron!"

I'm the moron? Perhaps its time to grow up and learn history for you. Or do you not know that we gave WMDs to Iraq. Where are they at now. I don't know and either does everybody but the people who hid them. They could of been destroyed by Iraqi forces before the invasion or could be still hidden somewhere in Iraq. Iraq is a large country with a lot of open desert. But if I would place my bets on where they are and what happeded to them, I would say Iran. They probably went with Iraqi Airforce units. Can't your facts straight before attempting to make the rest of us stupider by posting ignorent comments.

In response to thoughtful: You cannot understand what I am saying unless you believe in Christ. And, as far as Christianity being akin to Islam, God forbid! My religigion is one of peace. Obviously, you have never read or studied just exactly what the goal of Islam is. Christianity is a religion that reaches out to the lost, including Moslems. Islam will force conversion by any means, including death. If you doubt me, check out what occurred to the Afganistan man who converted from Islam to Christianity.

PAUL NO DISRESPECT INTENDED BUT BIN-LAUDEN TOLD US WHILE WE ARMED HIM." WHEN THE RUSSIANS ARE GONE YOUR NEXT" AND THEN TOOK OUR STINGER MISSLES AND THAT WAS 1979-89. OK, NO PROBLEM OTHER THAN THE DATE, YOUR RIGHT ON THIS POINT! JUST LETTING YOU KNOW OK NO SARCASM NO FIGHTING ITS JUST A DATE.

No one seems to want America in their business at all. We should appease them and see how they feel after awhile. The UN loves to take our money and follow it up by stifling our wishes. Let them find their own money to fund their stances. Vote Ron Paul to let the rest of the world take care of their own business. I welcome an attack by an actual country so that we may have a great reason (and actual support from other countries) to unleash all hell on them.

What I am saying is that, in the end, it won't matter much who wins or who loses. The most important thing, right now, is to adhere to the Word of God. I don't know if you are a Christian, or not, but I believe this world is slowly imploding and that Christ will soon come to put an end to all this bi-lateral nonsense we humans seem to be so good at. For a comprehensive look into what I am trying to tell you, check out the word dispensationalist. I am a dispensationalist an I, along with a great many very learned people, believe all the prophesies Jesus said to look for that would lead to His Second Coming are now in place. Read the Bible and find out for yourself.

AGAIN I ASK BESIDES BIBLICAL REASONS WHY ARE WE RESPONSABLE FOR ISREAL WHO RULES LIKE IRAN AND ACTS AS THEY ARE BETTER THAN US? CURRENT ERA PLEASE 3000 YEARS OLD EXCUSES DON'T FLY?