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  • Posted By: BS Whacker @ 10/27/2007 12:33:57 PM

    Guess what? Central Florida, around the Orlando area , is known to be a high-rent area. If you look at your property appraiser's workup on your piece of the American Dream, you'll find that much of the value he places on your property is for your land. That's why in watching HGTV's and Discovery's shows on flipping houses, you'll see that the replacement cabinetry is not of any higher appreciable value; they're just newer. :-)
    Anyway, check it out, you're building's probably worth only $65,000 to your PA - but your land is worth from $37,000 to $160,000, OK? :-)
    It's also why I really LOL when I see folks building what amounts to be huge cedar shacks "with a view" and particle-board cabinetry on land known to be tinderbox-dry.
    The insurance companies are known to be flush with assets, thank you very much to the state legislatures and their other buddies, the banking corporations. Besides only 1500 houses or so were completely demolished.
    As for FEMA, after Hurricane Charley blew by my place, some of my neighbors had a real crying need for generators to get their A/Cs going again - their medical conditions quite frankly did not allow them to live under Florida's heat and humidity for any length of time without any escape into A/C. So, FEMA very generously paid out dollars so these homeowners could get the generators they needed. As for my wife and I, we were able to survive quite nicely without A/C until our electric co-op hooked us back up.
    As a Catholic, I find it interesting that your practice of Christianity is confined to some form of hellfire-and-damnation preaching. There is a wisdom to praying as if everything depends on the Lord and doing as if everything depends on your good graces. When we help our brothers and sisters in times of crisis, we acknowledge the Lord. Let's prevail upon our brothers and sisters in the insurance companies to do the same. :-)

  • Posted By: Benito44 @ 10/26/2007 11:27:25 PM

    I take issue with Doug Heller who says "it is the insurance companies' responsibility to make sure homeowners have enough coverage" --- it is NOT -- it is the homeowner who is her/his own risk manager who bears that responsibility. I don't know of a single company who does not try to get homeowners to properly value their property and to insure it to value. It is not in "fine print" -- it is fully legible in the same type size as the rest of the policy, confirming it is the homeowner's responsibility. Many companies offer assistance with free use of Boekh index/American Appraisal institute worksheets to arrive at replacement cost. In addition most offer "inflation guard" options and some "guaranteed replacement cost". Most agents offer clients a minimum annual review of coverages and limits. Mr. Heller is doing an injustice by placing the responsibility on the insurance companies. Misinformation such as this fuels the fires (no pun intended) of ignorant backlash when tragedies such as the wild fires in Southern California hit us. Find the idiots/criminals/murderers who started these fires -- they bear the responsibility for the devastation and the attendent costs.

    • Posted By: BS Whacker @ 10/27/2007 12:05:48 PM

      "Most agents offer clients a minimum annual review of coverages and limits. Mr. Heller is doing an injustice by placing the responsibility on the insurance companies. "

      There is still that little bit about "principal-agency relationship" in commercial law, so even if the agent is an "independent contractor", he or she should be assumed to represent the insurance company or companies. Agents earn commissions from the companies for selling these documents called "policies". Usually, the commission is a percent of first-year premiums. So even if agents offer clients that minimum annual review of coverage, there is some marginal compensation for doing that, so there has to be at least some "dotted line" or implied relationship between the insurance company and the agent, where the agent is likely to earn compensation from the insurance company for pushing this increase in coverage. Mr. Heller is exactly right - the responsibility should be placed on the insurance companies.

      As for the perpetrators, arson is a crime, but the only thing the state can do on conviction is to jail them and (hopefully) throw away the keys. You're unlikely to enforce civil judgement on these characters for the "attendant costs" as most of them are likely to be far too poor to even begin to make up for the costs.

  • Posted By: Patricia Marseglia @ 10/27/2007 5:14:39 AM

    What I learned when I moved to Fla was that nothing was insured above $65,000 in central Florida
    Made sense to me because of the natural disaster proneness. Didn't matter that your house was
    valued at $325,000 or $102,000. I of course learned this after purchase. Interesting, isn't it?
    Now, how will the San Diego fire affect the secondary mortgage housing disaster? What are the assets of these insurance companies anyway? How can they afford replacement cost in such a disaster?
    In all things give thanks for that is the will of Christ Jesus for you. We serve a God of judgment and mercy.
    Regarding FEMA. I like the sign here in WV..."Help Captain Self". Do you think that Fema's job is
    to recognize where local strengths of organization are and support them rather than to create their own
    ? Do you think that Fema should give out money at all? The Jewish settlement that helped had it right on
    in my opinion, look to the Lord and get guidance from him... In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path. The good news is that the Lord is returning and we can have salvation here. Time for
    America to get back to God....God is talking....He gave us just a taste of what is coming. Thank you Lord,
    for once again trying to wake up America..... This is the 40 days of prayer and fasting to end abortion
    in this country. God is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored...

  • Posted By: BS Whacker @ 10/27/2007 3:32:35 AM

    Well, well, well, well, well! Here's the real problem: the insurance "industry" lobbies each state's legislature to make homeowner's insurance mandatory for every house under a mortgage with a bank, mortgage company, or credit union. Then the insurance companies compete with each other in a market suddenly made "price sensitive" - because it's the law, the homeowners try to get insurance at the lowest rates possible. Then everyone's house is suddenly flattened (hurricane and floods in Florida, fire and quakes in California). Then the insurance companies won't honor their commitments to the homeowners to help them rebuild. Anybody thinks I got this game down to a piece of con artistry? It's tempting to make just enough of a claim to pay off the mortgage and leave town - except that global warming has just about burned up all the green grass on the other side of the fence. My house is on my books at a value some $25,000 higher than it is on the property appraiser's register, because of Southwest Florida's crazy-as-hell real estate market. My insurance company has my house at the PA's rather than my "replacement value". I'm working to lower my premium the honest way, by showing the company I have in fact decreased our risk with code-compliant and engineered shutters. We refi'd our mortgage some six years ago and the "independent" appraisal added $275 to our refi'd balance. Am I going to spend another $275 to keep our true replacement value at 100% with the insurance company? That's a real hard sell for me. And I'm working my tail off holding up my end of the bargain. Why is it that persons who already have the money don't have to work even 5% as hard to hold up their end? Maybe that's why insurance companies are corporations - like every other piece of paper you hang on the wall, they're dead to our sensibilities, until some sympathetic souls make this whole thing come alive again.

  • Posted By: federalist75 @ 10/26/2007 11:46:41 PM

    Every homeowner should review their policy annually when it comes up for renewal. The irony of insurance is that if the insurance company were to say, "You aren't insured enough, you should purchase more coverage", most people would refuse, arguing that they don't want to pay the extra premium that comes with additional coverage. However, when they do finally need to use the coverage, they find they are underinsured because they did not review their policy and did not ask their agent to increase their policy limits. A consumer of insurance bears equal responsibility to the insurance company.

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