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Knocking Yourself Up

Some women laugh about turkey basters replacing Mr. Right. The ongoing debate over going it alone.

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  • Posted By: miriam0920 @ 11/06/2007 2:09:09 PM

    I believe children born under these circunstances might feel inferior to other children. They were not born out of love betwee two people. I wonder how would it feel to know that you were born because your mother went to a sperm bank and chose the sperm from a man that donated it. I dont think it's fair to this child.

    • Posted By: Shelley16 @ 03/03/2009 8:06:05 PM

      What about the Thousands of men, who are told they are to be fathers run! What about them, I didn't meet my father until I was sixteen because he was a coward. I didn't not appreciate feeling abandoned at least children with donor dads can say my dad chose to donate and my mom chose to inseminate tehy both chose. Neither of my parents chose and my mom was the only one who took FULL responsibility of the situation she was put in. I would rather choose to be a single mom, in my 30's educated and making good money then to be forced to raise a child by myself. Oh, and for those of you who say well abortion, why is killing a child so exceptible and making a child not. And, adoption have you ever tried to adopt? That is a economic issue in it's self!

    • Posted By: Shelley16 @ 03/03/2009 8:05:32 PM

      What about the Thousands of men, who are told they are to be fathers run! What about them, I didn't meet my father until I was sixteen because he was a coward. I didn't not appreciate feeling abandoned at least children with donor dads can say my dad chose to donate and my mom chose to inseminate tehy both chose. Neither of my parents chose and my mom was the only one who took FULL responsibility of the situation she was put in. I would rather choose to be a single mom, in my 30's educated and making good money then to be forced to raise a child by myself. Oh, and for those of you who say well abortion, why is killing a child so exceptible and making a child not. And, adoption have you ever tried to adopt? That is a economic issue in it's self!

  • Posted By: sdbeth @ 12/19/2008 2:33:32 AM

    I am a choice mom. I found a very nice known donor. I don't regret it for a second. If you want advice, you can contact me at sdbeth@yahoo.com.

  • Posted By: jafo2 @ 09/05/2008 2:37:49 PM

    It's incredible (& incredibly sad) that people care this much about the choices that financially independent, educated (& therefore taxpaying) women make for themselves and their children. I'm not asking you to support my child, and if it's such a handicap (socially, emotionally, and psychologically), then I guess that will leave more spots for your kids at Harvard. Seriously. Why do you care? Has your life been that unsatisfying?

  • Posted By: ConsciousMan @ 11/05/2007 1:13:27 PM

    This is a very difficult situation. I can feel for these women who find themselves at 40 going on and still no mate is around and there is that strong desire to be a mother. If I was in that position I might consider it, but that???s only one side of the story. No matter how hard the liberal society tries, a man role can never be replaced in a child???s life. These women are fooling themselves, just look on black America. Black America is suffering the effects of single parent???s home (more than racism could do) and white America seems to be catching up. The problem in black America is reflected in all type of social delinquencies. I must agree that some of these children turn out very well but these are the exception NOT THE NORM. Life is like that. You will find social delinquents event from well balance loving homes but this is not the NORM, it???s the exception. No matter how much money you have children need both parents. Yes, the child may grow up and be well educated but there will be physiological voids and inadequacies in most of these children. The reason why some of my black sisters can???t keep a man stem from the fact some never saw there mother take care of a man or what???s it involves to live with a man. The same goes for my black brothers also, they never saw their fathers taking care of their mothers or children. These women only know what it is to be a single mother and their daughters in a lot of case will follow suit. I am very scared for the next generation. How can two *** women teach a boy to be a man or two homosexual men a girl to be a woman? How can these relationships produce children which understand how to love members of the opposite sex in healthy and wholesome way? These single women may not have these extreme situations to cope with but any home without a father will be lacking. I see these children from single parent homes and other un-ideal homes; some are angry and have a host of issues. When these children come into our schools its confusions, teachers are force to take on roles that the government can???t pay them to do and teaching becomes difficult. Society will suffer in the long run.

    • Posted By: swa05 @ 11/09/2007 9:59:20 PM

      There is no definitive proof whatsoever that psychological issues and "voids" are directly related to having only one parent. These issues that you have named can be traced back to a myriad of things; there is no way to to know for certain what causes them. How do we explain the inadequate feelings and self-esteem issues of those born into traditionally intact familes ? Look at Jeffrey Dahmer, who had two loving parents and, for all intents and purposes, a "normal" childhood. Those opposed so strongly to single parenthood are falling prey to the tendency to view anything unconventional as damaging; whatever imperfections there may be are are automatically thought to be the result of something that is different, and we simply cannot continue to conclusively lay blame when the answer is essetially unknown

      • Posted By: Re-View @ 06/03/2008 2:31:16 PM

        There are definite reasons for why those myriad of things happen whether in traditional, broken, or blended families. You can't use such a silly argument to justify the sociological chaos and ramifications coming into place through these new fertility technologies and these new social mores (many disguised as "love" for children but really misguided selfishness). Some people also tried to say that there was no evidence that smoking causes cancer. Now, is that not nonsense similar to your comment? The reality is the evidence is available everywhere that these new donor type single/mixed families do have long-term and serious psychological repercussions. These "products" (i.e. the children) that are being created WILL and ARE being affected adversely by their situations. Did you not read the article here about this young boy bursting into tears when told he had a flesh and blood dad he could meet?? Or about how he felt about how he grew up??? What a bizarre and strange situation for the poor kid.

    • Posted By: Re-View @ 06/03/2008 2:19:04 PM

      You are right on. Very good insights! This whole issue is sad and you detail many of the inherent problems. I agree with you.

  • Posted By: ArmyWife @ 11/06/2007 8:17:31 AM

    Wow...the male population is certainly worried over this. Perhaps it is because between the advent of batteries and the increase in females becoming more educated and self-confident...the men realise that soon women really will realise that they don't NEED a man. hmm...the insecure male ego...fun for all!

    • Posted By: Rustman1980 @ 11/07/2007 2:46:46 AM

      Don't fool yourself...you will always need men, in some capacity or another..whether they be legitimate fathers or donors, unless women figure out a way to breed asexually like bacteria, you'll always need the male aspect to conceive children....but anyway...as much as I would love to see men completely stop donating to such services just to prove that point, I realise that threat is just as empty as the common feminist threat of women no longer having sex with men (I love hearing that..it tickles me...like as a single man i'm supposed to be threatened by the 'no sex' threat. Attacking me with vagina like it's some kind of sexual kryptonite for any argument...I could not only continue to get laid, but die of old age before they figured out the logistics of getting the women in my neightborhood to stop having sex with me, much less the city, state, and country. The only people that threat even comes close to effecting are the honest, responsible married men who care about their marriage...which, ironically, is the last group they should be alienating. The best thing feminism ever did for single men was the sexual revolution. God bless the 'sexually empowered'), but to be honest...I don't care. We, as men, don't "need" women either. I can live a perfectly healty, happy , successful life without a woman. Would I like to get married? Sure, I would...but I'm not "worried" about it, as you so put it. Any woman that would buy into the crap you're selling, I don't want to marry anyway. I'm perfectly fine sport screwing until I find someone who is more in line with my values and I can respect...and if that never happens...oh well. Not my loss. So, by all means, go ahead...use the turkey baster. None of my business...don't care...at all. What I do care about is when you take YOUR problems and YOUR poor choices and blame it on me (or men in general). That's when I have a problem...I'm not gonna be your scape goat. You want to be a single mother with the syringe father...go right ahead...but it's because thats what YOU want..nothing else. It's there's a problem with men...or that there aren't any good men...that's BS. You are doing it because you are choosing to be a single mother instead of accepting a good man...not because they don't exist.

      • Posted By: Re-View @ 06/03/2008 2:10:02 PM

        Sport screwing until you find the right woman you can respect in line with your values??? What decent woman would want a moron like you? You started out with some good points and came off sounding like the worst piece of *** no woman should ever consider. You will end up with a woman as crap as you. Period.

  • Posted By: juliandroms @ 11/23/2007 1:33:22 AM

    Kudos to women for taking matters into their own hands. These intrepid women surely deserve better treatment, and, as the author suggests, greater financial support from those who are obligated.

    As we all know, there are far too many deadbeat "men" who steadfastly refuse to forward wads of the products of their bodily labor to the very same women who refuse to let them raise their own kids. This is unconscionable.

    These. Men. Should. Pay. Or what else are they good for?

    As a consequence, I now propose a new policy. All "sperm banks" are now and henceforth to be held accountable for child support, just as if they were "real men" as they should surely aspire to be.

    For what is man but a sperm bank after all? Those patriarchal inseminating corporate stooges have been exploiting the wee wittle wimmins and their rapant and irresponsible urges for reproduction for far too long. A corporate lackey who inseminates a woman for a mere pittance of a fee is surely just as exploitative as the man who dumps and runs.

    Take them to the cleaners, I say. Let the women sue the bastards! Prior consent? Nonsense! A woman in heat has no capacity to forge such a valid thought... much less a child! Force the evil spermdoers to pay, pay, pay!

  • Posted By: archmsu @ 05/29/2008 4:26:43 AM

    How sad! A child without a father is still a "bastard." I wish i could be there when the mom tells her child how he was born. "Well, mommy bought this sperm down at the store........." God help him if the other kids find out. I wonder if kids born like that have souls? Maybe men would stick around more if women didn't treat their marraiges like business relationships. Once a child is born the man moves to the back of the line, wondering if the only resaon she married him was to just have a baby and somone to support her. The world is overpopulated, why do need to produce more human beings in this cold way?
    P.S. if your only accomplishment in life is reproducing, your part of the problem and not the solution!

  • Posted By: Ellen4life @ 05/27/2008 11:40:19 AM

    Kudos to women for having the children they want and desire despite Evangelical mumbo jumbo. If men care so much about their involvement in family, they would have stiffer laws for dead beat Dads. I too will be having my first kid this same way.

  • Posted By: amaryllism @ 05/27/2008 10:08:04 AM

    burbank: trust me, teachers DO NOT ask about fathers anymore. too many children these days have absent fathers, fathers in jail, are being raised by stepfathers, etc. for that to be a reasonable question. these days, asking about a child's parentage in class is a reason to be disciplined.

  • Posted By: JelissaMone @ 05/26/2008 9:10:55 AM

    goodgirl, please go to a gossip column or a teen forum with that.
    this article doesnt surprise me. Men use every "scientific" excuse to why they cant settle down or take care of their children. There will be a lot more of this single motherhood to come.

  • Posted By: burbank @ 05/26/2008 5:29:18 AM

    Imagine the trauma the child will have to go through when the teacher asks him in school who your father is and he has to reply, "my daddy is a number 2".

  • Posted By: goodgirl @ 11/27/2007 2:45:27 PM

    me and this guy had sex and we used a condom then he took it off but dont no if he came he did make a sound as of he did ?

    • Posted By: Rustman1980 @ 11/27/2007 11:04:05 PM

      Hmm...interesting. I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with the article, nor if this post is even real...I do, however, (assuming that it is indeed a serious question) think that if you honestly can't tell, I question whether you should be having sex yet at all. Men are not hard to figure out (sexually anyway)...nor is finding the...ummm....evidence of our completion difficult either.

  • Posted By: juliandroms @ 11/23/2007 1:33:06 AM

    Kudos to women for taking matters into their own hands. These intrepid women surely deserve better treatment, and, as the author suggests, greater financial support from those who are obligated.

    As we all know, there are far too many deadbeat "men" who steadfastly refuse to forward wads of the products of their bodily labor to the very same women who refuse to let them raise their own kids. This is unconscionable.

    These. Men. Should. Pay. Or what else are they good for?

    As a consequence, I now propose a new policy. All "sperm banks" are now and henceforth to be held accountable for child support, just as if they were "real men" as they should surely aspire to be.

    For what is man but a sperm bank after all? Those patriarchal inseminating corporate stooges have been exploiting the wee wittle wimmins and their rapant and irresponsible urges for reproduction for far too long. A corporate lackey who inseminates a woman for a mere pittance of a fee is surely just as exploitative as the man who dumps and runs.

    Take them to the cleaners, I say. Let the women sue the bastards! Prior consent? Nonsense! A woman in heat has no capacity to forge such a valid thought... much less a child! Force the evil spermdoers to pay, pay, pay!

  • Posted By: juliandroms @ 11/23/2007 1:23:43 AM

    Kudos to women for taking matters into their own hands. These intrepid women surely deserve better treatment, and, as the author suggests, greater financial support from those who are obligated.

    As we all know, there are far too many deadbeat "men" who steadfastly refuse to forward wads of the products of their bodily labor to the very same women who refuse to let them raise their own kids. This is unconscionable.

    These. Men. Should. Pay. Or what else are they good for?

    As a consequence, I now propose a new policy. All "sperm banks" are now and henceforth to be held accountable for child support, just as if they were "real men" as they should surely aspire to be.

    For what is man but a sperm bank after all? Those patriarchal inseminating corporate stooges have been exploiting the wee wittle wimmins and their rapant and irresponsible urges for reproduction for far too long. A corporate lackey who inseminates a woman for a mere pittance of a fee is surely just as exploitative as the man who dumps and runs.

    Take them to the cleaners, I say. Let the women sue the bastards! Prior consent? Nonsense! A woman in heat has no capacity to forge such a valid thought... much less a child! Force the evil spermdoers to pay, pay, pay!

  • Posted By: juliandroms @ 11/23/2007 1:22:20 AM

    Kudos to women for taking matters into their own hands. These intrepid women surely deserve better treatment, and, as the author suggests, greater financial support from those who are obligated.

    As we all know, there are far too many deadbeat "men" who steadfastly refuse to forward wads of the products of their bodily labor to the very same women who refuse to let them raise their own kids. This is unconscionable.

    These. Men. Should. Pay. Or what else are they good for?

    As a consequence, I now propose a new policy. All "sperm banks" are now and henceforth to be held accountable for child support, just as if they were "real men" as they should surely aspire to be.

    For what is man but a sperm bank after all? Those patriarchal inseminating corporate stooges have been exploiting the wee wittle wimmins and their rapant and irresponsible urges for reproduction for far too long. A corporate lackey who inseminates a woman for a mere pittance of a fee is surely just as exploitative as the man who dumps and runs.

    Take them to the cleaners, I say. Let the women sue the bastards! Prior consent? Nonsense! A woman in heat has no capacity to forge such a valid thought... much less a child! Force the evil spermdoers to pay, pay, pay!

  • Posted By: juliandroms @ 11/23/2007 1:19:14 AM

    Kudos to women for taking matters into their own hands. These intrepid women surely deserve better treatment, and, as the author suggests, greater financial support from those who are obligated.

    As we all know, there are far too many deadbeat "men" who steadfastly refuse to forward wads of the products of their bodily labor to the very same women who refuse to let them raise their own kids. This is unconscionable.

    These. Men. Should. Pay. Or what else are they good for?

    As a consequence, I now propose a new policy. All "sperm banks" are now and henceforth to be held accountable for child support, just as if they were "real men" as they should surely aspire to be.

    For what is man but a sperm bank after all? Those patriarchal inseminating corporate stooges have been exploiting the wee wittle wimmins and their rapant and irresponsible urges for reproduction for far too long. A corporate lackey who inseminates a woman for a mere pittance of a fee is surely just as exploitative as the man who dumps and runs.

    Take them to the cleaners, I say. Let the women sue the bastards! Prior consent? Nonsense! A woman in heat has no capacity to forge such a valid thought... much less a child! Force the evil spermdoers to pay, pay, pay!

  • Posted By: juliandroms @ 11/23/2007 1:17:18 AM

    Kudos to women for taking matters into their own hands. These intrepid women surely deserve better treatment, and, as the author suggests, greater financial support from those who are obligated to them.

    As we all know, there are far too many deadbeat "men" who steadfastly refuse to forward wads of the hard-earned products of their bodily labor to the very same women who refuse to let them raise their own kids. This is unconscionable. These. Men. Should. Pay. Or what else are they good for?

    As a consequence, I now propose a new policy. All "sperm banks" are now and henceforth held accountable for child support, just as if they were "real men" as they should surely aspire to be.

    For what is man but a sperm bank after all? Those patriarchal inseminating corporate stooges have been exploiting the wee wittle wimmins and their rapant reproductive urges for far too long. A corporate lackey who inseminates a woman for a mere pittance of a fee is surely just as exploitative as the man who dumps and runs. These women deserve the financial support of these corporate stooges and their shareholders.

    Take them to the cleaners, I say. Let the women sue the bastards! Prior consent? Nonsense! A woman in heat has no such capacity to forge a valid contract. Much less, a child! Exploit them no longer. Force the evil spermdoers to pay, pay, pay!

  • Posted By: Rustman1980 @ 11/07/2007 2:47:53 AM

    ArmyWife

    Don't fool yourself...you will always need men, in some capacity or another..whether they be legitimate fathers or donors, unless women figure out a way to breed asexually like bacteria, you'll always need the male aspect to conceive children....but anyway...as much as I would love to see men completely stop donating to such services just to prove that point, I realise that threat is just as empty as the common feminist threat of women no longer having sex with men (I love hearing that..it tickles me...like as a single man i'm supposed to be threatened by the 'no sex' threat. Attacking me with vagina like it's some kind of sexual kryptonite for any argument...I could not only continue to get laid, but die of old age before they figured out the logistics of getting the women in my neightborhood to stop having sex with me, much less the city, state, and country. The only people that threat even comes close to effecting are the honest, responsible married men who care about their marriage...which, ironically, is the last group they should be alienating. The best thing feminism ever did for single men was the sexual revolution. God bless the 'sexually empowered'), but to be honest...I don't care. We, as men, don't "need" women either. I can live a perfectly healty, happy , successful life without a woman. Would I like to get married? Sure, I would...but I'm not "worried" about it, as you so put it. Any woman that would buy into the crap you're selling, I don't want to marry anyway. I'm perfectly fine sport screwing until I find someone who is more in line with my values and I can respect...and if that never happens...oh well. Not my loss. So, by all means, go ahead...use the turkey baster. None of my business...don't care...at all. What I do care about is when you take YOUR problems and YOUR poor choices and blame it on me (or men in general). That's when I have a problem...I'm not gonna be your scape goat. You want to be a single mother with the syringe father...go right ahead...but it's because thats what YOU want..nothing else. It's there's a problem with men...or that there aren't any good men...that's BS. You are doing it because you are choosing to be a single mother instead of accepting a good man...not because they don't exist.

  • Posted By: betty8 @ 11/06/2007 4:41:53 PM

    So jevans, Jesus was a bastard child and the supposed virgin Mary was wrong for having him out of wedlock, or cheating on her husband, whichever way you want to look at it-according to you. Either you're a hypocrite, or you have a bastard for a god, take your pick, they're both sins in the eyes of the Lord.

  • Posted By: BlkPrl @ 11/06/2007 2:12:15 PM

    While I applaud the women who would prefer to go at it alone, it is most certainly not my choice to be a single parent. As a woman, I can not teach my son how to be a man but rather, how to treat a woman. There would always be a strength my son would lack or validation my daughter would lack without a positive male role model i.e. a father in their lives. I'll stick to the old fashioned way. Thanks though.

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