Knocking Yourself Up

Well we can't have it both ways.You men want to be men and don't help raise the kids or pay the bills.Therefore the women have to do what they gotta do for their kids.Two incomes are always better than 1.No I don't think daycare should raise your child but without children home, your day can consist of more than dinner and soap operas.There is only so much cleaning and laundry to do.

JB06

Thank you...like I said, the site is, admittedly, very negative...and at times, heavy handed....but it does make a very valid point. Men in modern America are being sold on a bogus institution. They're being goaded and guilted into a contract that really gives them absolutely no substantial benefit. Really....what does a man get out of a marriage to a modern woman? A contract that he's obligated to provide anything and everything to his spouse and children for the rest of his life with no promise of any benefits on the threat that if he fails to fulfill said obligations she'll take him for everything he's worth anyway in court? Who in their right mind would ever agree to something like that? At least in a traditional relationship there's the understanding of a trade off...rights that comes along with the responsibilities inherent in marriage, for both people...not just for one. Even a marriage that is based on equality (being the equal distribution of rights and responsibilities) has an inherent fairness, but even that's not good enough. Men are being sold on a raw deal that says that they should get married only "for love" and to expect an equal share in the relationship is oppressive and wrong...and more and more men are not buying it any more. So I ask...what incentive is there for any man, much less an ambitious educated man with every possibility in future, to get married to a modern American woman? What can she possibly offer him? Nothing. I'm not saying that women should give up careers, or education..or anything like that...but those choices come with a downside, and you have to accept that. I respect someone who wishes to better themselves...look for a good career...educational degrees...but, for me personally (and I'm not the only man who feels this way)....when I look to get married, I want a wife...not a husband in a woman's body. If that's what I was looking for then I'd just go gay and marry a man...at least I'd have more in common with another dude.

BTW....for those that haven't seen my previous posts...the site I'm talking about is www.nomarriage.com

JB06

Thank you...like I said, the site is, admittedly, very negative...and at times, heavy handed....but it does make a very valid point. Men in modern America are being sold on a bogus institution. They're being goaded and guilted into a contract that really gives them absolutely no substantial benefit. Really....what does a man get out of a marriage to a modern woman? A contract that he's obligated to provide anything and everything to his spouse and children for the rest of his life with no promise of any benefits on the threat that if he fails to fulfill said obligations she'll take him for everything he's worth anyway in court? Who in their right mind would ever agree to something like that? At least in a traditional relationship there's the understanding of a trade off...rights that comes along with the responsibilities inherent in marriage, for both people...not just for one. Even a marriage that is based on equality (being the equal distribution of rights and responsibilities) has an inherent fairness, but even that's not good enough. Men are being sold on a raw deal that says that they should get married only "for love" and to expect an equal share in the relationship is oppressive and wrong...and more and more men are not buying it any more. So I ask...what incentive is there for any man, much less an ambitious educated man with every possibility in future, to get married to a modern American woman? What can she possibly offer him? Nothing. I'm not saying that women should give up careers, or education..or anything like that...but those choices come with a downside, and you have to accept that. I respect someone who wishes to better themselves...look for a good career...educational degrees...but, for me personally (and I'm not the only man who feels this way)....when I look to get married, I want a wife...not a husband in a woman's body. If that's what I was looking for then I'd just go gay and marry a man...at least I'd have more in common with another dude.

All of you are foolish to think all 2 parent homes are perfect.We have never heard about support groups for children that were products of drug users,alcoholics, abused or that have been molested.Hmmh.In a perfect world men would marry women, no foster care would be needed,no divorces,and men wanted to take care of their children every way.I live in 2007 in the USA. Get a reality check.Do what makes you happy in the world.When was the last time you offered to cook for someone that might been hungery or acted like a big bro or sis.Given away your clothes to someone that you knew needed them? We should start wondering how we can help instead of bash.Teach your sons to be men (respectable), might not be like their dad.Teach your daughters self worth about their bodies.Maybe it would then be a perfect world.

Whatever women want to do with their bodies is none of my concern until I have to pay for it. This extends to the raising of a child conceived by artificail insemination..

Here's a twist I haven't heard any mention of--I was married to my husband at 38 and he was 39. I am now 47. We started a business together and a couple three years later when it was stable, I felt it was too late to have a child. I also don't think it would be fair to a child to have parents as old as most of his or her classmates grandparents and all of the ramifications that would bring. And am I the only one who thinks it's wierd to have a kid getting ready for college when you are in the early stages preparing for retirement? Maybe it's me.

fair enough, I resorted to name calling at the end, not cool on my part. I gotta run too though. Glad to debate with you. May the myraid Gods oand Goddesses bless you.

LOL.. okay im done. I hope you have a blessed weekend.

you fall deeper and deeper into your dillusion. It's why more educated people continue to leave the false religions and you must reach out to third world countries for converts.

cowdragon
You do not know what time is, A human view of time is just a matter of numbers and it is all based on our life span. God's time is not nessacarily the same as ours. He is in eternity, that is not comprehendable to our little minds.

yes as a matter of fact. it translates to "beleive in me or burn!" or maybe "worship me or die"

and it's also full of a pretty big lie that basically translates into "without me there is nothing"

hmmm, he only goes back 6000 or so years, while the world is billions of years old. That's a pretty big discrepency.

The idea of having his son is having forgiveness. You see God wants to forgive us because he loves us and doesnt want to see us burn in hell. not because he hates us and wants to control us. But because he loves us he wants us to be forgiven.