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  • Posted By: marblehill @ 11/02/2007 12:47:10 PM

    Those who willingly become single moms are selfish and do not consider how their childer are impacted by this. My father passed away when I was 4 and TO THIS DAY I wished he could have been alive MUCH longer. To want to raise a child without the father is SELFISH ! I was deprived the experience of my dad teaching me how to play baseball, ride a bike, tie a tie, shave, ask a girl out on a date, teach me about safesex and just be a model oh how a good man shold carry themselves, I was VERY lucky that I had my mom and other family members to tell me what kind of man he was so I would know how I should be. I would give ANYTHING to have my dad alive to raise me. HOW could someone be so selfish to deprive a child that experience. You should ask children who had no fathers in their lives FIRST how it was before them. Having a child is NOT like buying a puppy!!!!

  • Posted By: marblehill @ 11/02/2007 12:46:49 PM

    Those who willingly become single moms are selfish and do not consider how their childer are impacted by this. My father passed away when I was 4 and TO THIS DAY I wished he could have been alive MUCH longer. To want to raise a child without the father is SELFISH ! I was deprived the experience of my dad teaching me how to play baseball, ride a bike, tie a tie, shave, ask a girl out on a date, teach me about safesex and just be a model oh how a good man shold carry themselves, I was VERY lucky that I had my mom and other family members to tell me what kind of man he was so I would know how I should be. I would give ANYTHING to have my dad alive to raise me. HOW could someone be so selfish to deprive a child that experience. You should ask children who had no fathers in their lives FIRST how it was before them. Having a child is NOT like buying a puppy!!!!

  • Posted By: lila__Lo @ 11/02/2007 12:46:33 PM

    I think that this rising phenonmenon is very sad. No woman can ever replace the benefits and emotional support that a real flesh and blood father can provide his child. An uncle, male cousin, grandfather, nephew, best friend---all of these are not going to replace a biological father and the social benefits he provides.
    Women that CHOOSE single mom-hood are extremely self-centered and selfish people. If destiny happens to leave a woman raising her kids alone that's one thing but to choose to bring children into the world without a real father---that's selfish and wrong.

  • Posted By: irma_gee @ 11/02/2007 12:45:20 PM

    i admire the women willing to go into parenthood alone. I too am a single mother, but i give my daughter all the love and attention she needs. Sure having a husband/father in the household would be nice, but sometimes that isnt the case. Why is it that just becasue youre not married, youre not allowed to enjoy parenthood? Shouldnt a child be given the oppurtunity to be loved?

  • Posted By: juwirone @ 11/02/2007 12:44:45 PM

    I am a divorced mother and my ex-husband was schizophrenic and refused treatment. We had adopted our child and I loved him very much. I wanted to stay married to my husband for the sake of our child, but when I thought he was going to kill me, I decided my life was worth more than staying with my husband so our child could have a father. His father did not see him but two weekends in 18 months. He rarely called him...he called more to harrass me. Bottom line....it is better to be a single mother if your mind is set on that than to stay with a man because your child needs a father. Some fathers are ones children DON'T need.

  • Posted By: vtsquirm @ 11/02/2007 12:44:22 PM

    who cares about the mother. This should be about the child. Speaking from experience, other male role models help but its not the same. My father died when i was 10, and as a young boy without a father i felt very isolated. I would particulary avoid the subject until i was about 16-17years old. So, intentionally doing this seems abit short sided on the part of a woman. Don't just think about yourself, think about the child.

  • Posted By: BEE HIND @ 11/02/2007 12:43:52 PM

    Women Can and DO have babies and they WANT TO -so I'm for them to have one if they want.

  • Posted By: sandinbetweenmytoes @ 11/02/2007 12:43:34 PM

    I think it is fine for a woman to choose to have a child without another parential figure involved. My opinion is because children, or people for that matter are made to be born. If you have enough love and more than love, education, financial stability (basically essentials for the child to be raised in a healthy loving environment) that child will be the product of a single raised child - their personal challenge in life which may cause postiive or negative imprints in the world. However, you can not say that the only way for a single woman to have a baby should be with Mr. Right because maybe Mr. Right was that Spirm Donation - maybe that was meant for the childs life and destiny. As long as you can provide a stable loving environment for a child, they will grow up as healthy individuals, glad to live, and of course everyone has some struggles to over-come in their life-they will get over having one parent that loved them. Typically a woman wants a child because she wants to continue her genes, love that child and have a family - it doesn't matter if it's with a sperm doner or the man of her dreams in my opinion.

  • Posted By: jane0729 @ 11/02/2007 12:43:26 PM

    I agree with gramma! There is more to being a father than contributing the sperm. I was married to a man that doesn't know what the word "Father" means. If I had to do it all over again, I would pick the turkey baster! I did get two wonderful children out of the deal, but as my daughter once said when I told her that if I hadn't married her father, I wouldn't have her and her brother - she said "Yes you would, but we would look a little different"

  • Posted By: gramma @ 11/02/2007 12:40:58 PM

    Considering the jackass our daughter is divorcing, our grandkids would have been better off if their father was a turkey baster instead of the totally useless thing they're stuck with. Our grandkids are a lot better off in a single parent home than with a ignorant, negative screamer who thought more of buying out Costco for himself than putting food on the table.

  • Posted By: vtsquirm @ 11/02/2007 12:39:41 PM

    forget how the single mothers... how does this affect the child? That's the question people should be asking. From experience, i know that it is extremely difficult for a young boy growing up without a father (he died when i was 10). I did have other male role models. But it wasn't the same. You are setting your child up for lots of emotional trauma, i'm telling you now...

  • Posted By: Dizzle @ 11/02/2007 12:38:14 PM

    Sorry, but it should be left up to God.

  • Posted By: Dizzle @ 11/02/2007 12:37:31 PM

    I still think it should be left up to God.

  • Posted By: twick @ 11/02/2007 12:36:53 PM

    I'm so sick of the men my age who've been raised "squishy" by single mothers. It's just going to get worse. Children need some type ot balance of influence, whether it be male/female or a gay couple - TWO people to provide some balance. People say couples who choose to remain childfree at selfish? Hardly. These women are unbelievably selfish people.

  • Posted By: gramma @ 11/02/2007 12:35:43 PM

    Considering the jackass my daughter married--and is now in the process of divorcing--she and her kids would have been better off had their father been a turkey baster!

  • Posted By: Ph.inisheD. @ 11/01/2007 4:19:52 PM

    It is odd that the posting by aji_889 assumes that parent teams of a mother and father provide the seemingly magic amount of time spent with their children that single women or men apparantly cannot. The involvement of two people does not necessarily mean that time is doubly contributed to the raising of children. It is insulting that the comment also implies that these single women are thinking that having a child is like getting a goldfish. As a single woman with a Ph.D. and secure job who is seriously coming up with a plan to go at parenthood alone, I found that opinion troubling. I spent my twenties pursuing my Ph.D. and financial independence. That may or may not mean that I also gave up opportunities to be part of a "traditional setup" (which I find a troubling prescriptive model anyway), but I do not believe it should mean that I gave up my chance to have a child. Yes, single parents must be prepared for the consequences, but shouldn't we also be allowed to enjoy the beauty of parenthood? Is that something only married people are entitled to? Divorced couples who have children quite often end up suffering the consequences of parenting, so should they also be advised to be prepared for such a "calamity"?

  • Posted By: aji_889 @ 11/01/2007 5:09:06 AM

    I have little doubt about the empirical nature of the studies mentioned in this text (after all, no decent writer would have the guts to fabricate papers and data just to prove a point). However, being a male child of a single mom, I find that people often generalize too much when it comes to these matters. I don't care how many actuarists and statisticians are hired to make any conclusive evidence regarding such important things. From my own experience, however, I can say that while success is not entirely unattainable for these types of families, or for individuals coming from these families, it is considerably harder for single parents to raise children on their own and it is also harder for the children of these families.

    Having kids is not as easy getting a goldfish from a pet store. You can't have kids just because you want them, even if you are smart and educated and can earn seven times more money than your average couple. Because even more than your money or your education, your children would need your time and your caring, and the alternative family setup isn't exaclty something that could suffice. Yes you could care more for your children than any other mom in the worldcares for her children. But in this setup, you simply can't work and be there at the same time. I am not being anti-feminist here. If you people knew how much I admire my (very single) mother, for her strength and fortitude, you would not see this as an anti-feminist comment.

    What I would like, however, is for people to see that while recommendations for a more traditional setup may at first seem to go against their modernity and feminism, it could be easier and far more practical. No doubt, your child would love you more for your effort.as a single mom. It's just that, if you do choose to have children as a single parent you HAVE to be prepared for the consequences. And they will be dire, I assure you, I've been there. My mom and I HAVE been there.

  • Posted By: KR11705 @ 10/30/2007 3:04:00 PM

    I think it is worth pointing out here that the family structure some here complain is "falling apart" is also artificially developed by human culture. A number of historical cultural factors led to the development of formal marriage, many of which were based upon the subordination of women. This is not to say that it is not possible or desirable to bring an equal man and woman together in modern times, possibly even to spend their lives (several times longer than they would have been just a few centuries ago) together. It is simply to say that there is no "natural" family structure; there is only what we develop via our culture. Given the dramatic cultural developments over the last half-century (and I refer here mainly to developments which have raised a majority of people -- women, minorities, etc. -- from their positions of societal inferiority), it is not surprising that there will be changes in those institutions which were developed by cultural traditions. The first and most obvious of these is the relatively new phenomenon of divorce, which somewhat inevitably has given way to a far more open concept of family. Today, in better educated circles, "family" means something different than it meant decades ago, though there are clearly still some people not in the loop on this reality.

    As for the children of single mothers by choice, it is not the loving mom who wanted them and pours herself into their happiness that is hurtful to them -- it is the remaining unenlightened members of society who cling to their old-fashioned notions and tell these children that theirs is not an ideal family. What is an ideal family anyway? I have seen happy well-adjusted families with two parents and with one, depending upon their relationships within the family. There are also many unhappy and disfunctional families, a phenomenon that may even be more likely when there are two adults and thus a greater potential for conflict than there would be with just one. If a married couple loves each other and gets along forever and treats their children wonderfully, that is great, but this scenario is not only a small minority one today, it has always been so (just less openly in the past). It is wonderful to know that more well-adjusted, loving, intelligent women are giving themselves to children even when life hasn't sent them the ideal mate, as these children are very fortunate indeed. I am far more concerned about the children of divorced and fighting parents who married each other because they believed the people who told them they had to marry to have children, as those children suffer for that decision made under artificial pressures.

    • Posted By: kgblankinship @ 10/31/2007 8:35:53 PM

      Actually the evidence does not support your assertion that the 2-parent family is an exception, although you are right about the subordination of women which tool place during the stone age. But one does not have to subordinate women in the 2-parent family. In my view, the 2-parent family is not an "old-fashioned notion", but an evolutionary development. Generally, well-adjusted 2-parent families correlate positively with affluence. But your concern about dysfunctional families with violence is valid. However, these often result in single-parent families.

  • Posted By: samanthaw @ 10/29/2007 1:06:05 PM

    I don't understand why women want to have a child alone. Why wouldn't you get married, settle down THEN make a commitment of having a child? It just seems silly that you would just raise a child without having a husband. It is a totally different story if your husband left you AFTER the child was born, and if you cannot get pregnant. What ever happened to falling in love?

    • Posted By: Kate Highland @ 10/31/2007 3:08:10 PM

      Many single women I know in their 30s/40s , including myself, did not envision a life as single and childless. Falling in love is still what most women that I know hope for, but how long do wait for that? Unfortunately, if you want a family, time is a factor and if you have a yearn to be a mom, you can control that through adoption or "knocking yourself up" . You can't control when you're going to fall in love. My successful friends weren't laser-focused on trying to land the big job or paycheck, but that happened as hey were just living their lives doing their best. Most were hopeful that the rest would fall into place (i.e. husband and family). When it doesn't, are you supposed to give up all your dreams of having a family to love?

  • Posted By: MomOfTwo @ 10/29/2007 11:22:17 AM

    Wow.... there are certainly a number of opinionated folks responding here... It seems most of you think that a man and woman marry and then simply decide to have a child and then he/she arrives. What about the vast majority of people who have fertilty related problems? Do they tell their children that mom and dad used a sperm bank? Or, even better, the "turkey baster"? Are those foks selfish too? If they had to go to that extreme, perhaps they were meant to live a childless existense! (For the record, I don't believe that to be the case.)

    What about all those folks raised by single moms and dads that turn out to be exceptional individuals? Was it just by chance? Good luck? I think not.... And, oh, by the way.... what about the criminals, killers and child abusers that actually had BOTH a mother and a father. What explains that???

    Really folks, looking at one factor (two opposite sex parents) as the main reason children turn out ok or better is absurd. There are too many other variable that go into a child's life experiences that can influence in both a positive and a negative way.

    On a personal note, I am a single mother (by choice) of two wonderful kids - a girl and a boy. Both are wonderful, intelligent, thoughtful and well-adjusted kids. At least that's what I'm told by teachers, coaches and other people all the time.

    • Posted By: marielotte @ 10/29/2007 11:26:07 AM

      This is not about fertility, it is about what you do with and for your children when you adopt, or have them. No daycare, no single mothers by choice, and don't sleep around and make babies with men that are not "adults" yet. It is a simple formula. There are many "terrific" single moms. But their kids suffer. What is terrific about a stressed out working mother with no husband to come home to? You CANNOT give more than one thing 100%. Those people are kidding themselves.

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 10/29/2007 11:58:37 AM

        Again with the judgemental post. I have known many, many single mothers whose kids did not suffer in any way. My children were in daycare, not due to material want but because my wife and I both HAD to work to make ends meet; now one is studying to be a nurse, another is applying to medical schools, and another is in the Air Force. They turned out great despite daycare. Your formula is not "simple"; it is a case of looking at the world in black and white with no shades of grey. You neglect to take into account the women whose husbands/long term boyfriends changed and became abusive or addicted to alcohol/drugs or simply found out that they could not handle being fathers. All fo the "research" in the world can't tell you what someone is going to do or be in a year, let alone the 20 years it takes to raise a child. You really need to get off of your high horse and see the world for what it really is!

        • Posted By: marielotte @ 10/29/2007 12:55:49 PM

          I live in the real world. That is probably why you are angry with me. Don't marry someone and make kids with them if you can't afford it. Period. Move where you can live on one income. People don't often change to any great extent. I work with these kids, 20 years experience will tell you they do not fare as well. Period. Delude yourself all you want.

          • Posted By: Darlin_Me @ 10/31/2007 1:08:27 PM

            You're reasoning is flawed. There are those of us that have had great jobs that paid well at one point or another but through downsizing have lost our jobs or had to take jobs that paid less just to have the income and had it happen AFTER they have already brought their children into the world. As far as your below post of we can all move where we please...well that isn't always true. I live in a place that I cannot afford to live the only reason I am able to survive here is because of my parents giving me a place to live. Yet I CANNOT move. I this little thing called a court order that states that I am not allowed to even so much as go on VACATION much less move outside of this state without the written permission of my ex. I'm sorry but all your "clear cut" answers are not always plausible.

          • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 10/29/2007 3:48:48 PM

            Speaking of delusional....once again you make judgements with no information. I was not aware that "moving somewhere you can live on one income" was an option for everyone. We could afford the kids, it just took two of us to do it. And I hate to break this to you but people do often change to a great extent for whatever reason. There are many reasons for these changes but it does happen. You seem to think that all of us who say children can be raised by one person or that daycare is not a terrible thing are either delusional or kidding ourselves. I still say that you are delusional and/or kidding yourself with your black and white world view.

            • Posted By: marielotte @ 10/29/2007 4:08:27 PM

              Thus far it is a free country and we can all move where we please.

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