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  • Posted By: Darlin_Me @ 10/29/2007 11:09:50 AM

    I am a single mother of two (ages 3 and 5). My 5 year old is in the top of her class and is now writing in cursive. She reads so well that she can even read some the bigger words in a Tom Clancy novel and is learning Spanish. She is also the "prima ballerina" of her dance class. She has never met her father (his choice). My 3 year old is starting to read, does beginning math, and is learning to speak in Spanish and knows quiet a bit of sign language. He also lives more or less without a father as he has more important things to do than spend time with his son. Ask my children and they will tell you we are better off without him abusing me. I do not believe that my children are at a disadvantage without their fathers nor do I fear them dropping out of school because I am a single mother. Their lives are enriched with plenty of love. That being said however, I must admit that I am fortunate enough to have the benefit of MY father helping me and providing my children with a father figure. I do applaud Sam_I_Am for her work with her beautiful daughter and wish her the best. She is doing a great job!

    • Posted By: marielotte @ 10/29/2007 11:19:42 AM

      You place an enormous amount of "worth" in what you see as their wellbeing educationally. Dance or otherwise. The example you provide is interesting. Do the children get to play? Enjoy the world aside from what you want out of them? Release the pressure.

      • Posted By: Darlin_Me @ 10/31/2007 12:39:45 PM

        Yes, my children have plenty of outside playtime. We go outside every weekend and on evenings that we do not have anything going after my daughter gets out of school (weather permitting). As far as the learning goes my children have picked it all up on their own and NOT by my prodding. I do not make my children do anything at this point, educational wise , that they do not WANT to do (other than homework, LOL) but WILL help and guide them in any interest they may have. Both of my children have also expressed an interest in learning the piano. I do and will continue to support my children in ALL of their educational endeavors but always make time for play. After all, they ARE first and foremost children!

      • Posted By: joeboy101 @ 10/29/2007 12:23:12 PM

        Darlin - I am glad your kids and you are doing so well. Oddly enough though, I think your experience is not comparative to what we are talking about though. I don't bemoan single mothers, but more those who choose to be single for venial purposes. Yours certainly were not. An absuive relationship, physically or emotionally or both, needs to end as fast as possible, and I applaud your being brave enough to do so. Further, it sounds like your father feels the role voided by your children's father, even while he was still there. I don't think anyone would complain about you being single and needing to have the father involved even if he's absuive. That is the height of absurdity. Godspeed to you and your kids.

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 10/29/2007 11:46:16 AM

        Good Grief marielotte, you are one of the more judgemental people I have ever seen on this (or any) board! This woman (Darlin_Me) is obviously taking care of her children very well and making sure they are learning and involved in some extra programs. How on Earth do you know she is only having them do what she wants of them? When my daughter was 4 she wanted to be a ballerina, now at 23 she is something else but trying things like dance or learning a foreign language are all parts of growing up. You called yourself an educator in an earlier post; I can just be tankful that none of my three children ever had someone as judgemental as you for an educator!

  • Posted By: shortjames @ 10/29/2007 5:50:34 PM

    Why is it selfish for a single person to have a child but not for a couple? The motivation is the same whether you want to admit it or not. We live in a society where technology has made conception largely a matter of choice. If having kids is SELFISH then it is SELFISH if you are married or not.

    • Posted By: kgblankinship @ 10/29/2007 10:05:59 PM

      I would say that it is not so wise for the following reasons: (1) that children in their earliest years need a parent constantly present, (2) that children tend to develop better emotionally with both parents in a home. The ???selfish??? aspect applies if one wants to conceive a child without consideration whether the child???s needs would be adequately met.

      • Posted By: Leapster @ 10/30/2007 3:58:10 PM

        So you have done studies to determine both of your premises? Let's not confuse opinion with found fact(and accept such as a given) without understanding that to make such statements hinders the discussion. I am one of the accursed women you are talking about (such a scourge on society). I have handled society's children for years. I have seen many messed-up kids -- and "fixed" most of them. Many times, their issues came directly from mom and dad. I'm not saying 2-parent households are bad -- I am saying that parenting is often the determination of the issue, and poor parents can be married or single, it matters naught. Try helping a kid organize herself and her things (i.e., how to do homework, etc.) when mom and dad can't agree who will be picking her up at daycare that afternoon. For that one child, the wacko life her parents lived -- no one knowing who was going to be where -- was her entire problem. They modeled for her a disorganized lifestyle, so of course the child could not organize her own self. That is just one example of the myriad problems I have seen. No family type -- single, married, alternative lifestyle -- is immune from problems. Instead, it is how the parents handle and conduct their lives that makes the difference. Sweeping statements will never work when you discuss society.

        • Posted By: kgblankinship @ 10/31/2007 6:15:37 AM

          No, there is already a body of knowledge extant in the literature on developmental psychology that already addresses this issue. For example, it is well-accepted in psychology that a child passes through an oedipal stage of development, where boys develop an attachment to the mother and girls more debatably to either parent. Children at that age form relationships that affect their subsequent emotional development based on gender. How that is managed determines a lot about how that person???s personality develops. But it is not evident that parenting alone can overcome this and I don???t see this in my own experience. That???s one issue.

  • Posted By: ChicagoKid @ 10/29/2007 7:20:52 AM

    As a teacher, each and every day I witness the devastating effects that single parenthood has on a child. Women who are considering this option need to realize that it is quite one thing to raise a baby by yourself, but quite a different thing to raise a young person in need of education and direction. The children of single parents in my room are consistently low academic achievers - even those of single parents who might be considered "well off". The single parent is nearly always too busy, or too tired, to participate in the academic life of their child. Conferences are missed, school functions are ignored, requests from the teacher go without response. When asked why, the child nearly always says, "My mom was too tired." I end up reaching in my own pocket to make up field trip money, buy extra supplies, or supply the one day of lunch money that is missing. Perhaps those considering single parenthood by choice may want to visit a classroom full of single-parent kids and see what you'll be sending to school for 12 or 13 years, and how your selfish decision may impact other people down the road.

    • Posted By: marielotte @ 10/30/2007 11:01:13 AM

      Amen.

      • Posted By: heathen753 @ 10/30/2007 10:00:39 PM

        I???m a single mom by choice and I'm on Jane Mattes SMC Nat???l listserv. You???re talking about a different demographic group than Single Moms by Choice (of which Louise Sloan and I are members). On the school age list, more often than not, we discuss issues dealing with having gifted children. Like, can public schools provide a good enough (i.e., differentiated) education so that they learn something there and aren't bored. Personally, I've looked into private schools for that reason.

        BTW, my barely Kindy aged kid can read at 1st or 2nd grade level (he has 200-300 sight words) and is doing 2nd or 3rd grade math (he do addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division in his head -- w/o help of a multiplication table). Does my son sound like a low achiever to you? My son is more common than not on our SMC listservs.

        Also, I never missed a meeting or conference in my life related to school ??? that after 3 yrs of PreK and Kindy involvement. And tomorrow, I'm going to a 3 day conf sponsored by my state???s dept of education to become an even better parent / educator / advocate to my son. And I???ve gone to 4 or 5 other conferences in the last couple for that same purpose. Do I seem uninvolved and uninterested to you? And BTW, no teacher is ever going to ever have to shell out a nickel to keep my kid in school supplies (or any other SMC kid for that matter).

        You???re talking about a different kind of single mom than what Louise and I are???. These ladies are not a Single Moms by CHOICE.

  • Posted By: verhorizon @ 10/30/2007 8:57:05 PM

    I cannot fault women who become single mothers out of necessity or chance-in that case, I applaud these women who can survive and struggle and still try to make the best of a bad situation. My distaste is for women who inpregnate themselves by choice because they haven't found "Mr. Right" (for such a supposedly educated bunch of women, it's amazing so many still believe in a fairy tale) and want a child on top of their fabulous single life. But read articles on children who were raised in these families, and most want to find out where the other half of them comes from. I am not saying children of single mothers will end up twisted and bad people... but they will grow up disadvantaged from having only one parent in their life instead of two. After all, most children get two parents' attention and love or at least financial support. Children of single mothers only get one.
    But what truly bothers me is that these educated women are giving birth in an already overpopulated world. Why not adopt? If you insist so fervently that you deserve a child, that you should be in charge of another's life, why not help a child who needs a family, even half of one?

  • Posted By: akamale @ 10/29/2007 2:49:34 PM

    Regular guy is exactly right.
    In Washington state. 75% of the prison population is from single mommies. And I cannot believe the attitude coming from women around here on the subject.
    Why is it so important for women to have the Identity as a MOTHER first and a woman second?
    We as men hear so often that we need control our urges A.K.A. biology. I don't get that since my partner enjoys sex as much as I do on a regular basis. Maybe that's just for relationship games?
    They need to control the urges also. Single mothers never make it, on their own. They require support groups they require and expect extended families to be there for their needs. My parents are retired, why would they want to be burdened with baby sitting because mom didn't have a back up plan?

    We as men hear so often that we need control our urges A.K.A. biology. I don't get that since my partner enjoys sex as much as I do on a regualr basis. maybe that's just for relationship games?
    They need to control the urges also. Single mothers never make it on their own. They require support groups they require and expect extended families to be there for their needs. My parents are retired, why would they want to be burdened with baby sitting because mom didn't have a back up plan?

    • Posted By: Life Lesson Guru @ 10/30/2007 8:47:13 PM

      Single mom...complete backup plan, and it doesn't involve a moron of an adult male-since I don't classify you as a man-and guess what...I am completely making it on my own wihtout support of any kind from the man or from the government and my 2 children both have special needs(autism). "Dad" just couldn't handle the pressure of "special needs"-and left. I am a great parent and growing stronger every day. You on the other hand should not be allowed to procreate because you will just pass on your judgemental 1950's mentality to your "baby mama". My kids come first, my biology or whatever you want to call a sex drive comes near the bottom of the list for daily living!

  • Posted By: mzzim@hotmail.com @ 10/30/2007 5:29:16 PM

    I am all for single motherhood. More power to you! I recently read that a woman can produce her own sperm through her bone marrow. Of couse she can only have daughters. Interesting! I guess mother than doesn't have to worry about her daughter getting half of his (daddy's) charming personality then.

    Of course a man and woman partnership is the idea. But what I think is most important is just one loving and murturing parent because usually behind every successful adult was a loving, understanding, always there parent. What a wonderful foundation to have and therefore feel that you can be anything you wish to be.

  • Posted By: mscarr1 @ 10/30/2007 4:54:56 PM

    Children who are loved and properly cared for have the best opportunity to give back to society. Single parents can be as good or better parents than married ones.

    I only wish that more women who are choosing single-parenthood would consider ADOPTING the kids that are already here - rather than creating new people from anonymous sperm donating sources. But, to each his own.

  • Posted By: Leapster @ 10/30/2007 4:36:27 PM

    I've been reading the comments and it kind of amuses me the positions people are taking in condemning single mothers by choice. I hope to become one and am acively getting sperm pumped into me on a monthly basis. I am a college professor, having spent my twenties and early thirties concentrating on completing my studies and perfecting my craft. I certainly did not make finding a mate a priority in those years. I am unwilling to chance fertility for someone who may or may not be out there. Instead, if he is out there, he will be strong enough to love my child/children as his own.

    I am responsible for the education of the teachers who will educate your children. Scary, huh? I infect those teachers with TOLERANCE for the different lifestyle, culture, gender, race, ethnicity, religion, and ability. As a part of that instruction, I help my future teachers understand that narrow-mindedness is a disability. By condeming the other, you are doing nothing more than seeing your own point of view. Instead, people should be trying to understand how our culture has evolved in such a way to be so divisive, to condemn so readily, to not be able to appreciate and understand the other person's point of view.

    The argument that children of single mothers will be at a loss compared to married parents is moot. Parenting is a skill that unfortunately not all people possess. As a former teacher, I have seen some real winners, such as the married parent of a child wanting me to give her child a countdown whenever we would be changing activities. Another married parent took her child off Ritalin after watching the Montel show for her doctor's advice (the child never did learn to read with skill). Another married parent decided to publicly spank her child when he was caught with his pants down masturbating in class (even though she knew he had been sexually molested but did not take him to counseling). Another married parent was the punching bag of her husband, resulting in my student being terrified to go home each night, worrying what would become of Mama. I have seen some real winners of kids and their parents. In all these cases, parenting was the decisive issue. I have seen and worked with many married parents who had happy well-adjusted children. I have also seen and worked with many single parents who had happy well-adjusted children. Therefore, the singleness is not the issue.

    I hope this helps people think outside the box ... in order to grow as a society, someone must think and act deviantly, or no progress occurs.

  • Posted By: Gabjak @ 10/30/2007 4:29:31 PM

    I am a smc. I have a daughter from an early marriage that didn't work and I have a son through IVF. I would challenge any of you to put your children in a room with my children and choose which children are from a single parent family. My daughter was reading at four, learned a secondn language fluently in her elementary school, participated in sports, dance and drama and graduated in the top 5 in her 8th grade class. She's in high school and is active in extra curricular activities, does charity work, earns excellent grades, loves to hang out at home with her friends and recently got a job because she wanted to learn about saving/handling her own money. My three year old son has the language skills of a 6 year old, is incredibly well adjusted, loves his friends/teachers at "school" and has an amazing imagination. These are fabulous, wonderful, awesome kids and I'm blessed to be their mommy. I hope each and everyone of you feel the same about your children. I also hope you remember to tell them everyday how very lucky you are that they are part of your lives.

  • Posted By: KR11705 @ 10/30/2007 3:03:09 PM

    I think it is worth pointing out here that the family structure some here complain is "falling apart" is also artificially developed by human culture. A number of historical cultural factors led to the development of formal marriage, many of which were based upon the subordination of women. This is not to say that it is not possible or desirable to bring an equal man and woman together in modern times, possibly even to spend their lives (several times longer than they would have been just a few centuries ago) together. It is simply to say that there is no "natural" family structure; there is only what we develop via our culture. Given the dramatic cultural developments over the last half-century (and I refer here mainly to developments which have raised a majority of people -- women, minorities, etc. -- from their positions of societal inferiority), it is not surprising that there will be changes in those institutions which were developed by cultural traditions. The first and most obvious of these is the relatively new phenomenon of divorce, which somewhat inevitably has given way to a far more open concept of family. Today, in better educated circles, "family" means something different than it meant decades ago, though there are clearly still some people not in the loop on this reality.

    As for the children of single mothers by choice, it is not the loving mom who wanted them and pours herself into their happiness that is hurtful to them -- it is the remaining unenlightened members of society who cling to their old-fashioned notions and tell these children that theirs is not an ideal family. What is an ideal family anyway? I have seen happy well-adjusted families with two parents and with one, depending upon their relationships within the family. There are also many unhappy and disfunctional families, a phenomenon that may even be more likely when there are two adults and thus a greater potential for conflict than there would be with just one. If a married couple loves each other and gets along forever and treats their children wonderfully, that is great, but this scenario is not only a small minority one today, it has always been so (just less openly in the past). It is wonderful to know that more well-adjusted, loving, intelligent women are giving themselves to children even when life hasn't sent them the ideal mate, as these children are very fortunate indeed. I am far more concerned about the children of divorced and fighting parents who married each other because they believed the people who told them they had to marry to have children, as those children suffer for that decision made under artificial pressures.

  • Posted By: Boka @ 10/30/2007 2:49:15 PM

    spiritwomyn - wow, you made the same mistake three times. Sounds like you have daddy issues. Always looking for a father figure?

  • Posted By: Boka @ 10/30/2007 2:24:10 PM

    A child needs a man in there lives. Mothers are always way to forgiving and baby their kids. A man needs to be around to smack them in the face when they mess up.

  • Posted By: spiritwomyn @ 10/30/2007 2:19:32 PM

    Well so many marriages end in divorce which causes such hell for children. And most courts still have no real clue what is in the best interest of children and instead choose the better heeled parent. Also with the increasing rise in domestic violence and men who treat women like dirt and cheat on them anyway, why not just strat off single?
    I have had three marriages, all of my husbands came from up class homes, did not drink, drug or smoke and appeared to be spiritually minded. Sadly they all hated their mothers and took it out on me and the children. today I am single and I feel healthier and free. I say go for it. The vast majority of homes are single parent anyway and all the religious frauds should support and help them, not tear them down. After all its the Male dominate religions that have harmed women world wide.

  • Posted By: kaudrey @ 10/30/2007 1:22:00 PM

    I don't think it should matter whether or not you are married to have children either way you can f*ck up your kids. There are blithering idiots having children everyday. Uneducated and poor people who just lay down randomly with people they just met and become pregnant and have the baby and then think the state should take care of them. Well I commend women who are more than willing to take the risk who are educated and self sufficient that want to have children. Look at all the women who just give their children up or abort them because they messed up or both "parents" didn't want a baby. These single women should not be frowned upon because they are single and want a family. Just because you are a man and stuck around after the birth doesn't make you a good dad.

  • Posted By: mikeleibo @ 10/30/2007 11:10:07 AM

    I used to believe it was important to have a parent at home. But my stay at home spouse and I did a mediocre job of raising our children. My best efforts were slanted towards trying to do what my parents didn't do well, and yet repeating their mistakes, and focusing on being a "financial" success.

    Since the "stay at home" concept failed, I've changed my attitude. I'm all for any parent that's willing to put 110% into child rearing. While some people deem it selfish to to have a child alone, I consider it brave and can see how it would be fullfilling.

    I've seen comments saying that it was anti-christian - while I'm not an expert, it seems that some epople would liek to decide what their God wants - If their God didn't want a single parent to to intentionally have children, their God wouldn't let it happen.

  • Posted By: RiskAverse @ 10/29/2007 11:12:30 AM

    I am so tired of hearing about how the breakdown of the nuclear family is all the fault of women. What about the irresponsible and immature men? When my generation was of marrying age, we looked around and saw flabby, Xbox-addicted, underemployed boys with piles of pornography in squalid bachelor pads. These are supposed to be our husbands and fathers to our children? I now nearly forty, and divorced from a man who refused to have any children because they would take time and attention away from his computer activities. When I finish my Master's and can afford to, I WILL adopt. I would have liked to have had biological children, but I wasted all of my most fertile years on a boy who would not be a man.

    • Posted By: marielotte @ 10/29/2007 11:16:45 AM

      The breakdown of the nuclear family is not the fault of women alone. However, we shoulder the entire responsibility for child bearing. I found a great husband - not flabby, Xbox-addicted, underemployed, or any of the rest. You must discuss the possibility of children, how they will be raised etc prior to marriage. You did not research that man well before you married him.

      • Posted By: hellenback @ 10/29/2007 11:31:43 AM

        You need to stop judging people.

        • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 10/29/2007 11:50:47 AM

          "Research that man"??? As a man who has been married 24 years and has three wonderful children I resent that statement! I have been there for my wife and my kids and my wife did not "research" me before we were married! As RiskAverse alludes to, men do lie in order to 'get' the woman they want and many of them see nothing wrong with that. You need to stop judging people you don't even know. None of us posts our entire life story on a board so you are taking a paragraph or two and deciding that someone made a hasty, ill-informed decision about marriage when you can have no idea whether or not that is true!

          • Posted By: marielotte @ 10/29/2007 12:57:09 PM

            I don't mean research as in background check. I mean research as in know you have the same values.
            Right back at you will the hasty - ill informed decisions. You have no ide whether or not it is true that the kids turn out better or not. You know darned well your wife knew what you wanted out of life before I do.

            • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 10/29/2007 4:01:25 PM

              No, I don't know that because I wasn't sure what I wanted out of life. A lot of people get married before they understand or know all that they want out of life; this is why some marriages don't last and unfortunately sometimes kids are right there in the middle of it all.
              I have no idea what you mean with the back at you part but I do know that kids can turn out just fine with a good, strong parent raising them even if the other is not there. I turned out fine and my parents were divorced long before I was grown.

              • Posted By: marielotte @ 10/29/2007 4:07:30 PM

                You may think so.

                • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 10/30/2007 10:29:36 AM

                  It is a serious waste of my time to even attempt a discussion with someone like you and the "you may think so" comment proves that. Knowing nothing about me and how my life is you say something as judgemental as that.
                  You are a piece of work and I feel very sorry for your students if you truly judge them as harshly as you profess to.

      • Posted By: RiskAverse @ 10/29/2007 11:28:31 AM

        Thank you, Marielotte. Of course, men never lie, do they?

        • Posted By: joeboy101 @ 10/29/2007 12:18:18 PM

          Only so much as women do as well, I would wager. So your ex was addicted to his computer activities, sounds like he didn't have time for you either. How long did you stick with this heap? 5 years? 10? And how is this man indicative of the entire male gender?

        • Posted By: jjla01 @ 10/29/2007 12:08:30 PM

          You just a little bitter, eh? I'm the same age and I'm getting married to a WONDERFUL woman early next year. We are not having children because we both work in extremely demanding careers and felt that we could contribute to society and to other people in more meaningful ways. Oh and by the way, I'm 10 pounds overweight, and I work in the video game industry for 10 years games..hehe.

    • Posted By: verhorizon @ 10/29/2007 12:40:55 PM

      Because naturally, only men have faults. I myself, a 22 year old female, am sick and tired of hearing my sex *** about how they haven't found "Mr. Right" and how they shouldn't settle. But the fact is, women have faults as well... finding a healthy relationship isn't about being "perfect" but about accepting your partner for he is, Xbox addicted or not. Men may have all the faults you indicted (though I see nothing wrong with a pile of pornography but that's another issue) but modern women expect that their careers come first, that the men they marry somehow magically read their minds so they don't have to clearly communicate their needs and expectations, that they get to refuse their husband sexually as punishment but still expect he not masturbate or cheat, and that the husband be "Mr. Right" without any soul searching of their own.
      But perhaps what annoys me most of all is the fact that these single women are feeling the "pull" of biology and so are consumating their selfish want with the first turkey baster they need without realizing that there are thousands of children out there, from 3rd world countries or even here, that need good homes. You want to raise a child so desperately? You want to contribute to the world and have something to love you at the end of the day? Then adopt!

    • Posted By: verhorizon @ 10/29/2007 12:38:46 PM

      Because naturally, only men have faults. I myself, a 22 year old female, am sick and tired of hearing my sex *** about how they haven't found "Mr. Right" and how they shouldn't settle. But the fact is, women have faults as well... finding a healthy relationship isn't about being "perfect" but about accepting your partner for he is, Xbox addicted or not. Men may have all the faults you indicted (though I see nothing wrong with a pile of pornography but that's another issue) but modern women expect that their careers come first, that the men they marry somehow magically read their minds so they don't have to clearly communicate their needs and expectations, that they get to refuse their husband sexually as punishment but still expect he not masturbate or cheat, and that the husband be "Mr. Right" without any soul searching of their own.
      But perhaps what annoys me most of all is the fact that these single women are feeling the "pull" of biology and so are consumating their selfish want with the first turkey baster they need without realizing that there are thousands of children out there, from 3rd world countries or even here, that need good homes. You want to raise a child so desperately? You want to contribute to the world and have something to love you at the end of the day? Then adopt!

    • Posted By: jjla01 @ 10/29/2007 12:13:54 PM

      There is no such thing as perfection in a spouse. Im this society we are mail-ordered everything in our heart's desire, for a price of course. People don't want to work on things such as themselves, their communities, etc. I will lose those pounds, will find a way to balance my work.life and love, as will the majority of other men will. Sorry to hear about your first marriage but please, try to give men another chance/

  • Posted By: Boka @ 10/30/2007 10:14:10 AM

    It's not very Christian to be a single parent. Especially a single mother. It's not good for America. These selfish women need to be spayed like cats. If we are going to compete with these other countries we need healthy balanced children. And not selfish old hags.

  • Posted By: marielotte @ 10/29/2007 11:04:57 AM

    The world has gone to hell in a hand basket in the past 20 years. I work in a school, and believe me you, the kids with a single mother by choice suffer greatly. As much if not more than the "daycare" kids - please do not have a child out of wedlock and do not put any child in daycare. There is a reason we educators call them "daycare" kids - they do not meet the standards of the kid with 2 parents at home.

    • Posted By: DIMEK @ 10/29/2007 3:15:14 PM

      I'AM A SINGLE MOM NOT BY CHOICE BUT IAM DOING THE BEST I CAN TO RAISE MY SON THE WAY IT SHOULD BE AND BELIEVE ME I'AM DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB EVEN IF HIS BIOLOGICAL FATHER IS NOT AROUND.. IS SAD TO HEAR THAT COMING FRON THE," SO CALLED EDUCATORS OF OUR GENERATION".IF YOU ARE THE ONE THAT GIVES OUR KIDS NAMES AND MAKES THEM FEEL LIKE THEY DONT BELONG IN SOCIETY BECAUSE OF MARITAL STATUS THAN YOU ARE THE ONE GOING TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET..AND ONE MORE THING MAYBE YOU SHOULD NOT CALLED YOUR SELF AN EDUCATOR JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVING A BAD NAME TO THE ONES THAT ARE ACTUALLY HELPING OUR KIDS SUCCEED IN LIFE..

      • Posted By: marielotte @ 10/29/2007 4:05:53 PM

        Please spell check your work prior to posting. Sounds like someone is angry. That is not healthy for your son.

        • Posted By: malloy @ 10/30/2007 9:42:47 AM

          "Sounds like someone is angry" marielotte, I think the angry person is you, given your passive aggressive posts. There are a lot of good, intelligent posts on this topic. Healthy debate is good. Narrow-mindedly thinking that the world is a certain way because of your personal experience is another. I was fortunate to be raised by two great parents. If I had you as one of my parents, I would have happily been raised by a single parent.

    • Posted By: DIMEK @ 10/29/2007 3:42:52 PM

      AS A SINGLE MOM OF A 1YEAR OLD NOT BY CHOICE BUT I'AM TRYING TO RAISE MY SON THE BEST WAY I CAN AND THE WAY IT SHOULD BE THE AMERICAN WAY AND BELIEVE ME I'AM DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB AT IT, EVEN IF HIS BIOLOGICAL FATHER IS NOT AROUND BUT IS SAD TO HEAR THIS COMMING FROM THE SO CALLED"EDUCATORS OF OUR GENERATION" IF YOUR THE TYPE THAT PUTS DOWN OUR KIDS AND GIVE THEM NAMES BECAUSE OF MARITAL STATUS...THEN YOUR THE ONE GOING TO HELL IN A HAND MADE BASKET. AND ONE MORE THING MAYBE YOU SHOULD NOT CALL YOUR SELF AN EDUCATOR JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVEN A BAD NAME TO THE ONES, THAT ACTUALLY HELP OUR KIDS SUCCEED IN LIFE...

    • Posted By: hellenback @ 10/29/2007 11:35:15 AM

      "We" educators? I'm an educator and a single mom and you don't speak for ME as an educator or for most of the teachers I work with. Then again, we aren't hyper-critical windbags.

    • Posted By: Ema82 @ 10/29/2007 11:29:04 AM

      Wow- You work with children and you're putting labels on them? Maybe it's those expectations of yours that are holding them back? Just a thought.

  • Posted By: soren lerby @ 10/30/2007 12:47:45 AM

    I agree with some of the comments here that these single women are selfish...they seem to think that a baby is just like a favourite pet dog, I'm sure they can love it very much but I do not know if they are aware of the distinction. The baby aritificially inseminated from sperm donor to them is just one of a prize that women want to give themselves for reward of their own accomplishment. You're successful, you got your own condo, own car, exotic vacation, beautiful dog, large falt screen TV,... now I want a "baby"! that's one thing that is missing in me and I need that final component for my "self-actualization"!

  • Posted By: soren lerby @ 10/30/2007 12:42:24 AM

    It is totally fine if older single women want to become pregnant and raise kids on thier own. Stick to your own words, and do not come back and ask for child support from sperm donors when you run out of money (like your sisters in Europe do)

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