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I am neither a conservative Christian or liberal, but the familial path, or lack thereof, we are on is tearing the very fabric of our society. On a fundamental and simple level, our biology and culture for the last 10,000 years has dictated that 1 man and 1 woman come together and create life. The man has his role and the woman hers, each to be respected equally. A child needs a loving two parent household to be safe and secure. That is not to say that a 1 parent household cannot accomplish raising a child, but there is much more stress and that fact pattern runs a higher risk of disciplinary issues. The 1 parent household should be the exception, not the norm.
I am a Gen-X'er and I believe that the baby boomers selfish-ness has really done a disservice to this country. Look at how progressive the greatest generation was. Going from Model T's to the moon in their lifetime. What have the boomers done? They are like the trust fund babies living it up because of their parents hard work and sacrifice. And its that selfishness that lends someone like a Carrie Bradshaw to think of herself and her happiness first and not of the potential child's wellbeing growing up. My generation and my sons generation are going to be cleaning up the political and social mess that the baby boomers wrought on the country for years to come. The best we can do is start going back to the fundamentals, beacuase they work and have worked for millenia.
"On a fundamental and simple level, our biology and culture for the last 10,000 years has dictated that 1 man and 1 woman come together and create life. The man has his role and the woman hers, each to be respected equally"
Nothing is that simple. From a historical prespective polygamy is and has been an accepeted practice form place to place and time to time. From a biological presepective there are human biological evolutionary mechanisms that assume mutiplicative relationships.
I would refer to this route as ?sologamy?
I could see a group of people in a polygamy relationship make similiar comments. "Only two parents? How selfish. How will those children get all the attention they need".
What I belive people get so upset about is that the person who chooses this path is in some way saying "the rest of you are not good enough for me and my child". This seems selfish however if you observe the way that some "Regular Guys(and gals)" treat their monogamy produced children you would see alot of day to day selfishness.
Actually, polygamy was never the norm for the human species (Homo Sapiens that is), and was only occasional in other cultures. But a polygamous household at least would have a male and a female parent, and consequently would have a better chance of meeting psychological needs of young children.
I agree very much with you, but I would go even further and say that it is at least 200,000 years of biology and culture since the first modern human walked this Earth. Human cultures are family ones, although there is now evidence that Homo Erectus was polygamous with families led by alpha males. Margaret Mead studied a number of primitive cultures, all profoundly different. But in none of them did she find any where single motherhood was anywhere near the norm.
I agree with you, that much of this is 1960s-style liberation of the female from dependency on a male. In such a conception, the woman is elevated to the level of materfamilias, a modern day female analog to the Roman paterfamilias, where the father legally had absolute power over all in his household. But this is out of balance. The mother is just another member of the family, and ideally one would think that all family members had rights and responsibilities to each other. What is being pushed is narcisstic and selfish.
I have always wanted children and If I dont get married by 36, I am going to have my baby with or with out a husband..... I am educated with a great job and can afford to take care of a child on my own. Why should I have to pass on having a child just because I did not meet mister right before my time ran out
You have a tough road to hoe, and now that you're facing rapidly declining fertility, it's probably the wise thing to do. But you have to be very sensitive to the needs of the person you are going to bring into this world and do what you can to ensure his or her proper emotional development. Nannies would help, but my wife used to work at day care centers and would advise you never to place a young child there. My advice would be to consult a good social worker first.
It has been my experience that at least in some part Single girls who claim they can not find "Mr. Right" often need to redefine "Mr. Right". While this may be the exception rather than the rule I worry about a person raising a child that has these issues. Example: I have a friend that constantly complains about not being able to meet "Mr. Right??? but since she defines "Mr. Right" as a 6ft green eyed Christian who has never done drugs does not smoke or drink and makes at least 60,000 per year, (Yes this is her actual description) her chances of ever finding this guy are slim an none. Mr. Right can and will likely have some flaws. But my point is that if a person has placed strict standards for herself on what is acceptable in a husband is that person not also likely to push those beliefs off on there child. While this friend is normally a well adjusted successful person when it comes to social situations she is about as prepared as a fish out of water in the desert. Of course you can go the other direction as well. I have another friend in a similar situation that complains contently about meeting Mr. Wrong. If you only ever look in a bar full of half intoxicated men what did you expect really? Now for the part where I likely loose your attention when I point out that I myself am a single male. why do I point this out? Simple, I am single and while I am not the best looking guy in any situation I am overlooked constantly by girls who would prefer to target the Brad Pitt Image. This may be shocking for many to know but I have heard that Brad Pitt is incredibly shallow. Is it wrong for me to find these type of books and articles disturbing when all I have ever wanted to do is offer all the love in the world to a woman who will love me back. Instead though I am constantly put in a situation were I watch a girl I like enter a destructive relationship where the guy she is dating is more concerned about the type of moose he uses than whether or not she is happy. Personally I would like to see Disney remake snow white and ok so maybe the blond model of perfection prince charming did not show up to wake her but what about Charles a 250 lb average guy who can only offer an average life but we still live happily ever after.
You are a smart man, you have alot to offer. I am sorry that the women not only that post here, but out in the world dont' see it right now, but you will meet one wonderful woman who will love you. You are someone's Mr. Right.
It may be good advice at the outset not to go looking for Mr. Right in bars. I met my wife during the daytime in the school cafeteria and we???ve been married more than 25 years.
I think your point is well taken not to be perfectionist in looking for a potential mate. People nowadays are sort of spoiled, not very grown-up, and view this activity like they would be shopping for a product in a store. The real nub is about relationships and getting along, compromising, and respecting differences.
I believe you have a good attitude, and a mature one at least.
This seems to be a topic of much debate. The first thing that comes to mind is the show Grey's Anatomy. If any of you have watched the show you know there is a character named Addison, who wants a child so badly it hurts, but finds out she has two eggs left. She is 'all dried up' because she waited too long to have kids, because Mr. Right didn't happen. Most women in today's society believe Mr. Right will happen to them if they wait long enough. Trouble is ladies, the number of women far out weigh the number of men, so unless you're looking for a polygamist, your chances are a bit lower than a man to find your One and Only. Having a baby by yourself, while I do not necesarily agree with it, is right for some women. Given the choice between never becoming a mother and becoming a mother of a sperm bank baby, I would choose the baby. The joys of motherhood should be experienced by everyone at least once. Yes...there will be trying times ahead when your child looks at you and wants to know who their father is, but they will have you, their mother. They will have life because of you. Everything else will fall into line....
I believe part of the problem here is that we have become rather spoiled in our society, and are likely not as good at getting along as our forbears. Consequently, it is more difficult for people to find compatible significant others out there.
But I agree with you that in some circumstances, it would be wise for a woman with just a few eggs to go ahead and create a child. The danger is that should this become widespread, it will likely cause social problems on a large scale, especially if practiced by teenagers or young women without adequate financial means.
come on folks. Single mothers have been around since time began. Yes it would be wonderful if all kids were raised by a mommy and a daddy but that just doesnt happen in the majority. With wars and crime and just plain old wandering eyes there are more kids living with a single parent than anyone wants to count. If you start out in a loving two parent home and end up with one of the parents walking out for greener pastures you still have a single parent home. I have three lovely daughters who are getting excellent grades, volunteer, do after school plays and other activities and are not going to be single teenage mothers. No matter who raises the child you have to pay attention to the child and teach them to care for themselves and then they will respect themselves enough to know they can wait. You dont NEED a mommy and a daddy to have a healthy kid, you just need involved parents who dont decide that everyone else is responsible for their child's behavior
I believe in your case, the key word was ???daughters.??? Daughters need their mothers as sons need their father. A single mother family may work fine if all the children are daughters. But I would be concerned about the proper emotional development of sons.
What I believe is needed with this issue is to bring in findings from both psychology and sociology. From what I have experienced and learned, I don???t believe psychological theories of child development favor single parenting in general.
For those who didn???t read the entire article, or just glossed the parts that they agreed with, there is ???substantially fewer differences??? between single and two-parent families who have higher education. It doesn???t seem appropriate to judge a college-educated mother in her 40s with a career using teenage pregnancy data to explain the dangers of childhood development related to single parenting. If this is a gender related autopsy I would generalize that there is a bigger issue with men avoiding fatherhood. After all, it is now a reported fact that our current society is less accommodating for younger adults to have children than what their parents experienced 25-30 years ago. The tax deduction of having a child use to cover the actual cost of raising a child. Many parts of the nation wages are stagnate, mortgage rates have gone through the roof, medical bills have induced critical debt, and student loans are taking longer to pay off. As a result, more and more woman are waiting to have children later in life which I believe is better than unplanned pregnancies followed by shotgun weddings. If two-parent homes were that essential to a child???s development then have your government start assigning fathers to single mothers, ban turkey basters, and mandate reproduction licensing for registered parents. Are you ready to go down that road?
My view is that the needs of the child are even more important than that of the mother, because of the dependence on her. It???s not just about what the prospective parent wants. The hazards of single parenting in some areas are just as important to an affluent, college-educated woman as to a teenage girl. To be on the safe side, I would recommend sources on the psychology of child development, especially during the earliest years.
Having raised three children to adulthood, I can say that the cost of properly providing for a child far outweighs the tax break.
I agree with you that many men out there do not accept parental responsibility. Perhaps what may work here are educational programs in the middle and high schools to encourage parental responsibility and legislation to better enforce it.
i think it is completely fine for a women, who doesn't want to get married, has a kid and raises it on her own. especially if she is mother material.
I think it is completely fine if a women, who doesn't want to get married, has a kid and raises it by herself. there is nothing wrong with that.
For those who didn???t read the entire article, or just glossed the parts that they agreed with, there is ???substantially fewer differences??? between single and two-parent families who have higher education. It doesn???t seem appropriate to judge a college-educated mother in her 40s with a career using teenage pregnancy data to explain the dangers of childhood development related to single parenting. If this is a gender related autopsy I would generalize that there is a bigger issue with men avoiding fatherhood. After all, it is now a reported fact that our current society is less accommodating for younger adults to have children than what their parents experienced 25-30 years ago. The tax deduction of having a child use to cover the actual cost of raising a child. Many parts of the nation wages are stagnate, mortgage rates have gone through the roof, medical bills have induced critical debt, and student loans are taking longer to pay off. As a result, more and more woman are waiting to have children later in life which I believe is better than unplanned pregnancies followed by shotgun weddings. If two-parent homes were that essential to a child???s development then have your government start assigning fathers to single mothers, ban turkey basters, and mandate reproduction licensing for registered parents. Are you ready to go down that road?
The title of the article "Knocking Yourself Up"............could it be any more chauvenistic. I was offended just by the title, and my family is traditional in every sense of the word.
The title of the article "Knocking Yourself Up"............could it be any more chauvenistic. I was offended just by the title, and my family is traditional in every sense of the word.
I'm the founder and director of Single Mothers by Choice, and I
thought it might be helpful to give some perspective here. The Single
Mothers by Choice organization has been around for over 25 years, and
many of the children are now grown. What we see after all these years
is that these children are essentially like all other children - some
incredibly talented and successful, some more average and some with
problems. They're just people.
The issue of their being children of a single mother by choice is not
a big issue for most, for others it is more so. This may be
correlated with how comfortable the mother is with her choice to have
a non-traditional family, and how able she is to deal with the
child's questions.
Having two parents doesn't guarantee an easy, untroubled life. With a
divorce rate of 50% and the world becoming more complex every day,
most children have a challenging set of life issues to deal with.
We all love to put things in categories, i.e. "all children of single
mothers by choice will be ________" but in fact that's not the way
it's turning out. Perhaps we need to start realizing that parenting
is complex, people are complex, and that simple answers and knee-jerk
predictions aren't particularly helpful.
Jane Mattes
Director, Single Mothers by Choice
http://singlemothersbychoice.com
I can see why someone would want to do this. But by doing this, you are denying the child the benefits of having a mother and father. What if one day the child would wake up and ask "Who is my daddy?" What would you be saying to the child. WOuld you tell the child some wild concocted story? Or would you tell them that they came from the sperm bank? There are alot of benefits of raising the child in a traditional family home. Two males or two females-that would be confusing even more so in this type of situation. You run the risk of "How come I have two mommies/daddies?" "How can two mommies/daddies have a baby" These are just some of the concerns that I have when a *** or gay male uses this type of method to get a child. May God have mercy on your souls. "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
I would love to know how being gay or *** would make a couple less effective as parents. After reading this board I think you are the first person to take this shot at gays and lesbians and then you bring god into it; if god (or whatever supernatural being you believe in) did not want gays or lesbians to have children couldn't he just smite them and make them infertile? Doesn't your god have somethign to do with the conception of the child? It is this kind of holier than thou garbage that makes this country so intolerant!
My niece and her female partner have 4 kids. The oldest is a girl, 12, she speaks French fluently, is an honor student and plays first chair clarinet in the band. She has no problem with having "two mommies" as you put it and in fact has told me she feels lucky to have such great parents. Based on your comments you would clearly view this as a failed family which makes me sad for any kids of yours.
Yes, because this country is so intolerant, lesbians and gays are turned away at the border. Oh wait... And BTW, technology is what is giving lesbians and gays children, not God or biology.
I agree with the article to a certain extent that women have the ability to raise a child as a single parent. Apparently women have ensued on taking roles that fathers once took, but it is also clear that fathers have also have taken roles of women who lack the skills and abilities so described on here. They just haven't become as prominent in the media as women have. When it comes to character traits and certain gene traits, there is no gender discriminition in human DNA. Male and female both possess the same genes. Perhaps finding a population of single fathers raising children on their own would prove more of challange for a book project.
I'm sick and tired of the numbers from the studies that suggest that children of single parents are, essentially, worse off than they would have been with both of their biological parents at the helm. For starters, the studies generally don't consider whether or not the child has contact with the other parent, don't consider pre-existing conditions (like how well these people were going to be able to parent their child before they split/decided to have a baby/the women got pregnant unexpectedly), and don't consider that it may have actually been worse for most kids for the parents to stay together, be it because of abuse, poor communication, poor parenting skills, etc. The studies never consider whether the child is living with the best parent, either. They assume the parents and families did what was best for the child, and then make assumptions from there, when in reality the parent with fewer financial resources can get the short end of the custody stick while still being the better parent.
As a child of divorced parents, I can say with certainty that the number of parents in the household has very, very little to do with the success of the child, at least not as much as the quality of the parent or parents. It's absurd to think otherwise.
I understand the urge to pass on your DNA might be quite strong, but these single women who yearn for motherhood might have a greater impact by adopting a child. Why create a life with the disadvantages of single parenthood, when you can elevate the status of a child who is already disadvantaged even more by not having ANY parents?
And for folks who have kids with a guy who soon departs and does not involve himself with his child, please ladies... take more time to evaluate the type of man you sleep with and create life with. There are so many birth control options available that one should have more than enough time to examine the character of a man before allowing him to father your child. Make sure the relationship or marriage is going to last first. If you're engaging in casual sex, make him cover it up, and you use some form of birth control as a backup. Just because a man was able to provide you with a good orgasm doesn't mean he is responsible enough to be a good father. There are options to separate sex from childbirth... USE THEM!
Oh, okay. Women should "make sure" their relationships or marriages should last before we have children. Great idea.
You give the men who abandon their parental responsibilities a complete pass and blame the woman. How refreshing.
Get a life.
Are you kidding me, hellenback? In fact I despise men who abandon their responsibilities after creating a child. It is men like those who seem to shape public opinion of fathers, rather than the men who are out there, married or not, who are there for their children both financially and emotionally. You don't know me, so don't you dare accuse me of giving irresponsible men a pass. I did pretty well with reading comprehension in school, and my understanding is that this article is about women who choose the path of single parenthood, and not about fathers who abandon parenthood. Therefore, my comments were in context to the article itself.
No, it's actually quite simple. Any person contemplating bearing a child should make sure the other half of the equation is worthy of being reproduced.(That is assuming they are mature enough to asses their own merit) You aren't actually naive enough to think these sperm donors are motivated by anything other than the desire to get another fix do you?
*laughing* You may have a point about some guys simply trying to get another fix, and I do agree with your assessment idea. Everything come in good and bad versions. We have some folks that TAKE TAKE TAKE, and some that are capable of giving. Not all of the guys are Takers, and some of the Takers will even step up to the plate when they have created a little life.
I think it???s ridiculous how the majority of women who have commented here, blame MEN (as a whole) for this problem. I???m a man and I???m not abusive, I???m not an alcoholic and if I actually wanted children, I wouldn???t leave them or suddenly become abusive (although I???m sure most women on here would hope I do since they love to bash men). I???m sick of hearing all this b/s from women blaming men for all their problems.
So what???s the best solution to all this crap? Gender segregation.
If the genders were segregated this wouldn???t be a problem. If so many women despise men so much, want nothing to do with men and actually believe that all men (or majority) abuse and rape, perhaps it would be better if there was gender segregation. If men are so useless and dumb and sick, why don???t you all go make your own female utopia? Set up a sperm bank, pay the males on their ???side??? to send sperm over until female scientists can figure out a way for women to have children without any aspect or need of a male. While they???re at it, maybe try and develop a way for women to have female children only ??? end the need for males, because after all, boys grow up to be men, and the majority of women hate men and want nothing to do with them. As for the men on the male side who have their ???needs???, I???m sure there would be a few women who wouldn???t mind hopping the fence for some extra cash every now and then. If women are so independent now, and fathers are essentially useless pigs in the eyes of women, maybe gender segregation is the best way to go. It would end sexism, it would end discrimination based on gender and women could live in their all female utopia without men.
Gender segregation = problem solved.
Sort of shame that my post was messed up by a computer glitch.
It has been my experience that at least in some part Single girls who claim they can not find "Mr. Right" often need to redefine "Mr. Right". While this may be the exception rather than the rule I worry about a person raising a child that has these issues. Example: I have a friend that constantly complains about not being able to meet "Mr. Right??? but since she defines "Mr. Right" as a 6ft green eyed Christian who has never done drugs does not smoke or drink and makes at least 60,000 per year, (Yes this is her actual description) her chances of ever finding this guy are slim an none. Mr. Right can and will likely have some flaws. But my point is that if a person has placed strict standards for herself on what is acceptable in a husband is that person not also likely to push those beliefs off on there child. While this friend is normally a well adjusted successful person when it comes to social situations she is about as prepared as a fish out of water in the desert. Of course you can go the other direction as well. I have another friend in a similar situation that complains contently about meeting Mr. Wrong. If you only ever look in a bar full of half intoxicated men what did you expect really? Now for the part where I likely loose your attention when I point out that I myself am a single male. why do I point this out? Simple, I am single and while I am not the best looking guy in any situation I am overlooked constantly by girls who would prefer to target the Brad Pitt Image. This may be shocking for many to know but I have heard that Brad Pitt is incredibly shallow. Is it wrong for me to find these type of books and articles disturbing when all I have ever wanted to do is offer all the love in the world to a woman who will love me back. Instead though I am constantly put in a situation were I watch a girl I like enter a destructive relationship where the guy she is dating is more concerned about the type of moose he uses than whether or not she is happy. Personally I would like to see Disney remake snow white and ok so maybe the blond model of perfection prince charming did not show up to wake her but what about Charles a 250 lb average guy who can only offer an average life but we still live happily ever after.
Sounds to me like you are putting your "issues" onto the single women who can't find Mr. Right. You get overlooked so you assume that all single women who say they can't find Mr. Right (a term that I despire by the way) are setting their standards too high? Or your friend has these ridiculous standards so you assume all single women do?
Certainly not the case for me - or the other single women/mothers I know.
It's sad that so many depict a woman making the choice to have a child as a single parent as selfish, if the woman chooses to go to a sperm bank instead of getting "knocked up" the traditional way, yet I'm guessing those of you who are judging would also be equally ugly in your judgements if the same woman was knocked up by traditional means and then making the choice not to be a mother after all. Just the nine months of pregnancy alone are extremely difficult, can be painful and dangerous, and that's before having to deal with being responsible for another living being OUTSIDE of one's body and making certain that that person grows up to be a responsible human (and I'm guessing the women profiled in the book all have that objective in mind, not "oh hey, I'll have a baby I can raise to be substandard and a criminal". It is not a selfish act, but one that does require the right kind of financial and psychological resources to do well.
No, not at all. Unwanted children who are born to parent who refuse basic responsibility (Like having a partner in child rearing) often become MY problem. We already have to many people who are problems for society due to failed parenting. If the parent's don't want the child, why should I? To me it is a win / win if they aren't born, because I don't have to feed them, and my children who I do want, won't have to feed their chilren.
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