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  • Posted By: LithoMan @ 11/02/2007 5:29:42 PM

    eurobee - like you care if you impose your liberal value son us? You trying to take away my guns now, damn near got half my paycheck already, and want the food off my table for nothing. Did I miss anything? Like my opinion of you imposing your liberals values matter? It hasn't this far along. Keep up the woman lib, its working wonderfully for the country.

    • Posted By: eurobee_82303 @ 11/02/2007 5:34:34 PM

      And I've struck the cord...
      Go Hilary!

  • Posted By: JB06 @ 11/02/2007 5:33:25 PM

    Rustman1980

    I suppose I'll have to explore it a little more. I like to think of myself as an "old-fashioned" woman who lets her man BE a man. Hope you find your Donna Reed! : ) (really, I didn't mean that sarcastically)

  • Posted By: nikkilynn @ 11/02/2007 5:33:24 PM

    I am completely amazed at the ignorance in which some people insist on revealing. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with being a single mother. My dead-beat father left my mother for a younger woman when I was only 7 years old. He NEVER paid child support and never offered any emotional support nonetheless. So, does that mean that I have turned out to be a horrible person, scarred by an absent father figure? Am I really just another "bastard child" who has grown up to be a disfunctional adult? Not so much folks. I DID have many disadvantages as a young girl, and my childhood did not fit the perfect mold that "society" deems "normal" and "right". I was, however, very loved and supported by those who chose to stick around. I learned how to work hard for what I want and how to choose QUALITY company. I graduated from Harvard University with a bachelor's in Business Management and then proceeded to earn an MBA from Wharton University 3 years ago. I am now 28 years old. I have a fantastic husband and 2 year old. I am by NO MEANS perfect and neither is anyone else! I know that I have done things in my own life that "society" looks down on, just as EVERYONE ELSE HAS!! But does that mean that our decency as human beings should be questioned? So, the next time you GENERALIZE the amount of success that another "bastard child" may or may not have, just remember that some of us DO grow up to be functional members of this so-called "society". Sincerely, Just Another Bastard Child

  • Posted By: cowdragon @ 11/02/2007 5:32:19 PM

    nicely played LithoMan, it did get me fired up.

    Seriously though, I don't beleive Yaweh is the one true god, so I'm not even worried. And If I'm wrong and you're right, then I am ok with how things will turn out. You have to spend the rest of eternity telling him how great he is... I simply fail to be. Sounds like I made out ok.

    As far as being a minority, well it depends what you mean and how you want to twist the numbers. MOST people on the planet don't beleive in or worship jesus. Therefore, if what most people think is what is correct, then I am in the minority. :)

  • Posted By: ella-4ever @ 11/02/2007 5:29:27 PM

    I was raised by a single mom. She had me at 21 and left my father when I was 6 months old. He was very abusive, but she thought she was in love. Then he became violent towards me and that changed everything for my mother. It was one thing when he was hurtful towards her, but she knew it would affect my whole existence to be raised in that kind of home. After that my mom did date and would stay with the same man for several years, but was very cautious about letting them into my life before she was confident about the influences they would have. My mom never settled down (for good reason) and chose to remain single, but in no means has given up on finding love. I on the other hand have grown to be a very strong, intelligent, and independent young woman. The men that I have chosen to date have been wonderful and I am still everyday friends with my ex's. The point I am getting to is that being raised in a single parent home is not better or worse than a 2 parent home. It depends on the environment and encouragement that is learned in the home. Of course under educated impoverished teen moms are going to raise children who learn this behavior from not only the parents, but the other people around them. Our society does not create support networks to help these unfortunate people to overcome their situations so that their children learn from a different environment. We hear stories every day about how teens are lied to or undereducated about sex and not just from the parents, but schools as well (especially in the south). These lies and misinformation do not stop the teens from having sex, but it does prevent them from doing it safely. Then they get knocked up and are shunned and unsupported and thus there children learn from that environment and believe it and don't amount to anything more then they are convinced to be capable of. On the other hand you can grow up in a 2 parent home in a nice neighborhood because your parents have good jobs, but your parents are abusive and fight and drink. You learn this behavior and grow up and are yourself successful, you get married, have kids, and a problem with alcohol. You get drunk and are mean to your family and don't remember the next day. Yet you are statistically considered a normal house hold. Our society is convinced that it is everyone for them selves, but let me remind you IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD.

  • Posted By: amanintexas @ 11/02/2007 5:29:14 PM

    I agree with tissababe

  • Posted By: Rustman1980 @ 11/02/2007 5:29:08 PM

    JB06

    The point of the website, when you actually read into it...is saying the exact same thing you are. Frankly, yes, it does take a more negative view of the situation rather than a positive one, but the argument is essentially the same. The basic argument is that in todays American society, it is not in a man's best interest to get married to a modern American woman (IE feminist) exactly because of the reasons that you just stated, and really, it isn't.

  • Posted By: JB06 @ 11/02/2007 5:12:33 PM

    Rustman1980

    I don't think you got the point I was trying to make, perhaps I didn't make it clear. I was trying to say that there are women out there that appreciate the differences between men and women and don't look down on, oppress or deny the differences. Femenism has encouraged women to be more like men, but if girls are boys, then what are boys? Women have forgotten how to treat their men. They turn them into the male equivelant of a girlfriend and then lose interest in their own creation because he doesn't act like a man. Women do have power over their men; but it's not the kind of power they think. Wives have the ability to create a husband that would be happy and willing to swim through shark infested waters to bring her lemondade. But he definatly won't do it if he doesn't "feel the love'. Women need make a conscious effort to be good wives to their husbands. She needs to make him feel like he's loved, to be happy when he comes home from slaying dragons all day so she be home with this children, to not DUMP on him the minute he walks through the door. A lot of the women that have posted on this board don't seem to understand that. A husband that KNOWS he's loved will NOT leave (and he'll even help with the dishes!!) I encourage EVERYONE on this board to read "The Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands", even if you're not married. If you follow this book, you're almost garuanteed to have a great marriage.

    I checked out the website you posted and was saddened to find the male version of femenism all over it. NOT getting married is NOT the answer. Choosing the RIGHT WOMAN is!

    • Posted By: workingmother @ 11/02/2007 5:28:26 PM

      What plant are you from????

    • Posted By: workingmother @ 11/02/2007 5:27:25 PM

      What plant are you from?

  • Posted By: RiTZ @ 11/02/2007 5:27:03 PM

    cowdragon
    You see when abraham was given the choice to sacrifice his son he knew that this life was only temporary. He realized that he would see his son soon. He realized that not obeying God would end in eternal torture. Even though you have sinned against him he is still waiting there to tell you that you have been forgiven. You just have to choose. And he is not a God of control. He does not want robots. He wants a relationahip and wants people to walk in holiness. Is that too much to ask of the God who has saved us from eternal torture?

  • Posted By: LithoMan @ 11/02/2007 5:24:44 PM

    cowdragon - I knew I would get ya with that! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! See, you get all bent because your in the minority. Thats just too funny!

    Ya, but even though I havent read the whole Bible, I seem to tell it like it is,all you do is distort the Bible to comfort your own desire to discredit it. Who the meglomaniac? And, it is the truth, wen judgement comes, there is no saving of a denier's soul. Plain simple fact. You don't exist anymore. Ther eis no hell, there is no pergatory, it's over. To deny is too be abolished. Deal with it.

  • Posted By: T&E'sMom @ 11/02/2007 4:36:54 PM

    in reply to bowe_knows

    What is wrong with having a child later in life? My mother first got married at 37 and had 4 children, her last when she was 43 - she was 60 when I graduated from high school and is 90 now. She is a GREAT mom and always said that we kept her young! So I really think that you know nothing!

    • Posted By: bowe_knows @ 11/02/2007 5:23:07 PM

      Scientifically, the rate of birth defects is significantly higher after 30 years old. The average life expectancy for women is 78 years. While your mother, bless her heart is going strong at 90 years old...again that is not the norm. I'm 32 and now I see that I need my Dad and Mom as much if not more than when I was younger...not from a financial position as I make great money and they live in other states...but that connection and insight into marriage, into excelling at work, into being a father and parent...those are the needs. Chances are, if you are having kids at 40+, the probability lowers that you can be there for your children in some of the most critical phases of life. Parenting isn't 18 years...it's lifelong as I'm sure you know. You never have enough time with your parents... and I bet when she does pass, that you had more time :)

  • Posted By: eurobee_82303 @ 11/02/2007 5:23:01 PM

    to tissababe - you must not live in an expensive area, where you can afford to stay at home, do all those lovely things. Good for you. Don't judge those who require 2 incomes to pay the mortgage. Otherwise, everyone who lives in California, Massachusetts, Washington and every other expensive state's going to have to move to your neighborhood. We might even end up imposing our liberal values on you.

  • Posted By: cowdragon @ 11/02/2007 5:22:35 PM

    RiTZ

    good, then can I have the keys to his car?

  • Posted By: ll_aok79 @ 11/02/2007 5:21:51 PM

    Why is it we, as a society, cannot allow our motives to be driven by accountability? Everything we do in this life is a choice- and naturally follows the consequence. The power of gravity cannot be harnessed without proper understanding of that law. Once all measurable consequences have been considered, certain risks are taken to propel an airplane through the sky. Normally, a pilot will not take a risk of flight if he doesn't know all the possible outcomes before his departure. The consequence of his choice will always manifest itself. There are children who will cope and adjust to life without daddy and go on to become wonderfully strong people. Then there are children, who despite having both parents in their lives, will end up in prison. Regardless of those exceptions, our juvenile prisons are not over-run with people who had two loving parents in the home. Women who are choosing to take this route to become ???mothers by choice??? have a HUGE responsibility to produce and raise children who go against the ???studies have shown?????? tests. Odds are stacked. On another note, children do not replace that deep and innate need for companionship. The psychological, emotional and physical stress exuded upon a child that has a needy parent is unhealthy and irresponsible, to say the least.

  • Posted By: INTRAVIEWER @ 11/02/2007 5:18:18 PM

    Dear LostChild;
    Orchids to you for turning your circumstances around; and creating a loving environment for your family! Each kiss, each "I love you, mom!", each act of love and kindness apply more soothing balm to the scars and pain you carry from your childhood.
    But, dear LostChild; I would like for you to consider something, if you will? There is an old Native American saying: "Great Spirit; let me not judge my neighbor until I have walked a mile in his mocassins."
    In brief, I would like to share with you a situation which could very well be as bad, if not worse, than the one in which you grew up:
    I grew up in a "blended" home. Although my mother re-married when I was two years old; my stepfather NEVER considered me "his child." That was made painfully clear to me throughout my childhood; verbally and physically. The neighbors half way down our street would hear me screaming in pain as this man reguarly beat me with a belt-and kicked me. The two children that my mother and this man shared never accepted me, either. They were taught that I was the "stepchild;" when, in fact, I was their "half-sister."
    I left home when I was 17; immediately after graduation from high school. My only thought was to escape the beatings, hatred and daily rejection for being born the product of another man's union with my mother.
    Consequently; I escaped two abusive marriages with my life-and nothing else.
    I, too, am scarred inside, LostChild.
    But I have learned in this life that there is One who can heal all of the pain, and replace it with new life. With the help of God, and His Beloved Son Jesus Christ; I have found healing, new purpose, and joy in my life.
    And now, because of what I have lived through; I can help others who face the same thing.
    My joy is in giving.
    I know the lonliness you have felt. I know the pain. And I know that the only thing that will fill the emptiness it has created in your soul is the very thing that was meant to be there: a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
    When God created us; He created a "space" in our soul; a space set aside especially for our personal realtionship with Jesus Christ. The world tries to fill that space with everything from drugs to alchohol to sex, gambling, pornography and almost everything else "new" that you can imagine.
    The door to our soul has only one key: Jesus Christ.
    And as this world grows worse each day; it becomes ever more important to hold fast to that which is ours; and to give our families hope: the hope that there is something worth living for........something better waiting for us when this life is over.
    I will pray for you, LostChild; and I hope one day to see and entry signed "Foundand Healed."
    God bless you and your beloved family.

  • Posted By: Gigi2007 @ 11/02/2007 5:17:30 PM

    Over 60% of American children are raised already by a single parent - usually mom. One of the reasons is that men do not honor their responsibilities. They end up raising the kids by themselves anyway. Why do not plan on that from the get go and perhaps put less emotional stress on the children?

  • Posted By: RiTZ @ 11/02/2007 5:17:23 PM

    tissababe
    I couldn't agree more

  • Posted By: cowdragon @ 11/02/2007 5:17:07 PM

    if true of heart makes me want to kill my kids just because some megalomaniac tells me too... then call me whatever you want when I tell said megalomaniac to screw off. The fact that Abraham was willing to commit this vile act makes him a simple minded robot. The kind that we put in prison nowadays when they say "the voices told me to kill her."

    Funny that I am called the hater though. I wouldn't kill my own kids. I wouldn't force women to grow old without ever experiencing childbirth. I wouldn't circumcise a baby. I wouldn't tell people they are going to hell simply because of their sexual orientation.... seems you need to look up the meaning of the word while you go back and ACTUALLY READ YOUR bible.

  • Posted By: cowdragon @ 11/02/2007 5:06:06 PM

    the point is Yaweh wants us all to be slaves to him. He wants absolute submission without question. I would refuse to EVER agree to sacrifice any of my children... no matter the deity making the demand.

    On that ground alone I could safetly choose not to worship that demon Yaweh. Add in the fact that he claims to be all powerful and still alows such horros to happen and I want to throw up.

    He is a single parent god who claims to have all the answers... hmm ... ever read in the bible the cure for leprosy? The sad fact is, people actually will try to perform the ritual and make themselves sicker because of the open wounds they possess. When all along it is MAN who came up with pretty decent cures that actually work. Wierd huh.

    No, I didn't miss the point. Your god is a god of strife, pain, hate, and humiliation. He hates women, homosexuals, and foreskins. He's creepy and wierd. And now he's trying to tell you to tell women not to have babies.

    • Posted By: amanintexas @ 11/02/2007 5:14:32 PM

      Can you please ask yourself who created you? is this all done by mistake? or lets say the big bang started everything ? are you sure your not created by someone who knew what He is doing? Look in the mirror and you will see how you are designed, your right eye like the left eye, your right hand like the left hand... everything going together, is this by mistake?? God (or Allah) the only One exist and no one can deny it (even satan, the devil knows that God created everything), and He will judge everyone on the day of the resurrection for what they thought about him and what they did in this life.

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