Another Turn of the Screw

Mearscheimer and Walt have used statistics to prove their own beliefs. They did a very shoddy research job and never called into question the mighty Saudi Arabian lobby. How did the 50+ Saudi subjects get to fly out of the USA on 9/12/2001 the day after 0/11 attacks when all civilian aircraft were grounded for the next five days? How did the Saudi government just get authorization to buy $20 billion in the most modern American weaponry? 15 of the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11th were Saudi nationals, how come the US never held the Saudi government responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington? You who think the Israel lobby and AIPAC are all powerful do not know what the heck you are talking about. If they were all that powerful, how do you answer the questions just asked?
As well as the question, has Israel ever used its nuclear weapons? Even when they were badly losing the 1973 surprise attack war on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar, did they use nukes then?"
You make Iran sound like such an innocent third party. They wouldn't harm a flea. Your memory is either deficient or too short: They kidnapped and held over 50 Americans from our embassy in Tehran in 1979 and did not let them go gor 444 days. Their proxy army Hezbollah set the explosives which killed 180 American Marines in their barracks in Beirut Lebanon in 1983. Lately Iran has been supplying deadly ied's which have killed more of our soldiers in Iraq than have the opposing army's. You think Iran is our friend? You think they would not use these nuclear weapons against US targets? If you think that, then you are even dumber than you sou sound in your posting here.

*********** I'd like to make some points here :
There is something absurd about the pretense that Israel stands as some kind of guardian against the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East when it is the only place in that region that has them. Other countries have the right to defend themselves, especially ones concerned about Israeli aggression. The double standard that Israel believes it should have the right to nuclear weapons without having to answer to anyone, including the US and the UN, for their 'security' damages not only the US but Israel as well. The premise that no one else should also be allowed that right ,even though it would also be for 'security', from Israeli aggression is ridiculous and smacks of AIPAC/Israeli/neocon rhetoric.

In addition - first - the US media is kowtowing to the neocons. We in the US NEVER get the full story about the middle-east, god forbid anyone would question what part Israel has to play in the plan for Iran. Does the media emphasize that there is no documentation that supports this nuclear menace ? That Iran is 5 years away from nuclear capability ? If the Iranian army is by definition a 'terrorist' group then so is the US and Israeli armies.

Second - It is not in the US's interest to go after Iran, but it has everything to do with "protecting" Israel. Israel has wanted to go after Iran for years now but settled for Iraq first per Bush who thought they could get in and out and then get into Iran.

Third - the warmongering for Iran is in Israel's best interest,not ours, and is being pushed on Capitol hill by AIPAC and ADL like crazy. AIPAC runs congress and the Foreign Relations Commitee and everyone knows it. If anything against Israel is said then they trot out the 'ol "anti-semite" rhetoric, a smokescreen to shut down any debate or conversation about Israeli policies. Does anyone mention how fanatically racist they are toward the Palestinians ?

Fourth - read 'The Israeli Lobby' by Mearshiemer and Walt and 'Deliberate Deceptions' by former Congressman Paul Findlay. Both eye openers debunking the rhetoric from Israel and AIPAC versus facts and more facts.

Fifth - Our House and Senate need to make it crystal clear to Bush/Cheney/Rice/Gates/Israel/AIPAC - NO! WE NOT LET YOU DRAG US INTO ANOTHER WAR IN IRAN. PERIOD. END THE WAR IN IRAQ. NOW. PERIOD.

to me Mr or Miss Mas Sherif you even do noy know what you wrot I let you to read again .I am sure you like German Ntzi will support this Mulla government.and did it so far for 30 years,yes I did say Mas Sherif or may be Abu Sherif when Iranian government goes our oil money will not go to Terrorist any more but you as German you do not like that.also all Terrorist will not be happy becuse they do not get nice payrol . in last 30 years EU was keeping and helping this Terrorist. Mulla in Iran the head of them was GERMAN NTZI
Comment: Posted By: masherif @ 11/03/2007 05:23:46
Comment: And you? You are on payroll of which government? When you wish to liberate iranien from the Mulla, I fully agree with you, but let iranien people do this. You do not need a second Iraq made by US governement.

Masherif this is my last comment I am not going to spend my time more than this to ask you to read what I wrot.
I did not accusing you please read your 1th comment , you are the one accusing me .
I am Iranian and I will fight for change ,I never wanted war in Iran ,we had for 8 years ,where have you been on those 8 years? this 30 years Iranian killed by Mulla in the name of Fu... Islam.did anybody care? all others took everything we had away from us.they want to have our oil nobody care even you.did ever think how many Iranain killed in 30 years ? no you and the other like you only talk about Bush and Bush ,was Bush 30 years ago when the Mulla was killing the Iranian?

Except it isn't people just saying Iran has a nuke program. The Iranian Gov't/President are basically waving it in everyone's faces. I don't think anyone hates Iran as just hating their people, but their government worries people. Especially when Iran is sending soldiers and weapons into Iraq. It is like their gov't is bending over backwards to start a fight with the US/West. Maybe they fear their own people so much they prefer that to having democracy which would throw them out of power shortly.

Masherif if you say you are German 1th you should stop your government for helping Iranian Ntzi government than you talk about other .ask any Iranian about german they hate German more than USA but the Ntzi Mulla love German Ntzi.

Dear gfdolphi, I can follow your thougts (11/04/2007 12:59:03 AM). I just can't understand this "Why does Iran hate us?". I'm worry about that and I do not really think that iranien hate you. I hope that we all can use this discussion to show another way for Mullas, Bush and others who think that war is the solution! Thanks.

gfdolphi did you know it was not only USA who overthrew Mosadegg?It was BRITISH together with USA. and Mulla Khashani, Khashani was Mulla.hay tell the others everything or just say nothing
did you know Iranian hate BRITISH not USA. in the other hand Iranian Terrorist government loves the BRITISH and hate USA.may be you do not know ,please study.

Let's stop and think for a moment: Why does Iran hate us? Maybe because we've treated them horribly over the last 50 years. We overthrew Mosadeqq (who was democratically-elected) in 1953 to control Iranian oil. We put an end to the only democratic government Iran has ever had. This ushered in 2 more decades of dictatorship with support and weapons from guess who??? the US!! This coup was the reason given for the Iranian hostage crisis. What were the their demands? An end to US intervention in internal affairs. Iran agreed to pay its debt to American institutions. No hostages were killed.

Let's not pretend this is about freedom. We ended Iran's only democratic government ever. We have done everything we can to subvert Iran. Currently we started 2 preemptive wars on either side of them, both of which are failing miserably. Bush is making the case for war with evidence that is "tentative at best". Let's not make another huge mistake. World War III is not inevitable. We have been exploiting these people ever since oil became a commodity. All these people want is to do is be on the same playing field as us and not be treated like dirt. Bush just asked Congress for another $200 billion for the War on Terrorism, yet vetoed a $23 water improvement bill amid a national water crisis. Wake up people!

I will not follow this cowboy with rhetoric into World War III.

Bush and Cheney are talking like mad men. I think the American people should now proceed to impeach the two lunatics in the White House.

to USAROCKS thank you now we have to deal with Iran and then the whole world can kiss our ***

Do we have to wait for a nuclear detonation in a major U.S. city that would lave of thousands dead do you ant to take that chance ? I for one think that we should give Iran a time table to cease its program or we will. We have a right to defend ourselfs and not wait for a country to hit us first. Also Iran is supplying arms to insurgants in Iraq that is killing americans I say we are already in a state of war with Iran. And McCain is the person to lead us if it happens

first of all if larijani was a moderate so why USA didn't comply with him and utilize his services. secondly is there any evidance that ali was forced to resign? more than 10 officials in bush administration since his frist term have resigned but no body cared of that while Ali is the one in ahmadenejad's team who is resigning. there is a very important thing to note that before and after resigning all officials in the bush team critisized and opposed Bush's policies while Ali larijani didn't say even a word against ahmadenejad's policies. when ali was a moderate as americans are saying so why america didn't take benfits from him. why USA pursuing terrorizing attitude against iran while iran was having a moderate nuclear negotiater it means some thing is wrong with USA not with Iran. Because of adopting terrorizing and threatening policies against Iran the so called war on terror led by USA must be turned towards USA itself.

What is wrong with you ppl?..You sit around and have this fantasy that if the US. sits back and leaves certain countries to them selves that all will go right in the world. Reality check...IRAN'S FANATICS WANTS US DEAD!! Iranian ppl arent the bads ones here...its the clerics that wants WW3 so they can go down in Arabic history as the ones who started it. Like it or not wars HAVE to be fought with rogue countries. Im not one to dwell on 9-11, but if a Dem was in office at the time to you think that the Taliban would have nicley handed over binLaden or his litle lambs?...Iraq at the time wanted nukes..despite what media or other politicians want us to believe..Saddam wasnt stupid...he knew what was coming and shipped the stuff to Syria..Syria tried to continue Saddams little dream but Isreal snuffed that out in Sept. But I dygress... Anyone with half a brain can tell Iran's fanatical clerics are waging war against anyone and anything who goes against there beliefs. They DO NOT DIFFERINTIATE BETWEEN DEMS OR CONS, TREE HUGGERS OR LOGGERS!! We are Americans and they want us dead.