The Ghosts We Think We See

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  • Posted By: NJGreenBudd @ 10/31/2007 5:18:23 PM

    you guys make me sick to my stomach. To credit god or dopamine, two things which 99% of people don't even know of, with our experience as human beings is rediculous. Brain shmain? Satan? Listen to yourselves and hear how absurd you sound.
    I'm sure some of you want to believe you have a special gift to be able to see spirits, just as the same drive makes people want to believe in some higher power. The thing is, people are stupid, ignorant creatures that cause more harm than good without the help of the devil or demons.

    Wake up, stop living in a fantasy land of gods and devils and realize that you are indeed alive and capable of making your own destiny. Why someone would desire to live their lives governed by some magical entity baffles me, it must be a coping mechanism to deal with personal inadequacies. Ignorance breeds breeds ignorance.

    • Posted By: Lafem @ 10/31/2007 6:13:51 PM

      You said a mouth full here (Ignorance breeds ignorance). I think you are one who fears the unknown. These things do exist and it doesnt matter if you believe or not, but what does matter is your ignorance to degrade those who do believe.

  • Posted By: skelly123 @ 10/31/2007 6:12:05 PM

    It's always hilarious to hear what people believe about "the after life" when they've never even SEEN the other side and wouldn't know JACK about it...for instance, psychics and paranormal investigators...Christ, on the other hand, did come from "the other side" and is in fact THE OWNER of it. And because He's the one and only witness who has ever actually been there, maybe we ought to listen to Him when He speaks. In Luke Chapter 16 He clearly stated that once we die, we go to one of two places. And once we go there, we are not allowed to "astro travel" back and forth, not even to pay your relatives one last visit, or to "watch over them". So, what are all these ghosts and apparitions that people are seeing all over the world? Christ and the Prophets of the Bible clearly identified them as Satan, the devil. Because his origins come from Eternity, Satan has limited information on EVERYONE ALIVE. And that means he has the ability to take on the likeness and apparition of dead people. It wasn't your Aunt Martha that showed up at your house in the middle of the night...it was a demon who took on her likeness. Oh, and just so you know, demons do not have to obey to "Catholic Priests". When you call on priests to "cleanse your house" you're taking your life into your own hands because you have NO CLUE what dark and scary habits they get into when no one's looking behind closed doors (know what I mean?). And that's why demons usually stomp on those priests and send them packing. If you have demon activity in your house, run to your nearest non-denominational, Bible-teaching church and get help from them. And isn't it funny, how many times these ghosts start as "little children"...but before too long they scratch you to shreds and almost destroy your house. This should serve as a warning to you...DO NOT ROMANTICIZE these creatures as former living beings. They are nothing of the sort. You need to deal with them for what they are. Demons from hell. If anyone needs help, contact me at skelly007@juno.com.

  • Posted By: teamplayer @ 10/31/2007 5:38:21 PM

    I am a Christian, but there are ghost and spirits in the Bible. Remember there is a devil and I believe what most people see, (including me) are demons.

    • Posted By: skelly123 @ 10/31/2007 6:10:35 PM

      What ghosts are there in the Bible? :)

  • Posted By: Mandy Foster @ 10/31/2007 5:43:46 PM

    Science states that the first law of thermodynamics (often called the Law of Conservation of Energy) suggests that energy can be transferred from one system to another in many forms. Also, it can not be created or destroyed. Thus, the total amount of energy available in the Universe is constant. Einstein's famous equation (written below) describes the relationship between energy and matter:

    E = mc2
    In the equation above, energy (E) is equal to matter (m) times the square of a constant (c). Einstein suggested that energy and matter are interchangeable. His equation also suggests that the quantity of energy and matter in the Universe is fixed.

    So, if energy cannot be created or destroyed (according to Einstein), what happens to the soul (i.e., energy) when the body dies? The above law of thermodynamics suggests that it is merely transformed.

    200 years ago, people thought Van Leeuwenhoek was insane when he suggested that tiny creatures invisible to the naked eye were responsible for disease. Then he proved the existence of bacteria through the use of the microscope. Allow me to point out that he was not a scientist, but an uneducated tradesman with an open mind and endless curiosity.

    What I am saying is that I see a parallel between the 17th century university-educated scientists who mocked Van Leeuwenhoek for believing in something he could not see and the 21st century scientific skeptics who make fun of people for their beliefs in something that can???t be quantified.

    I personally believe in ghosts, having witnessed one. However, I am not stating a case for ghosts here. This is simply a request for people to keep an open mind on the subject.


    • Posted By: siddhartha i @ 10/31/2007 6:09:53 PM

      Truly interesting E=mc^2 does suggest a limit on the whole (known) matter-energy-spacetime - you never really die - you only dispearse and change into other forms/ it allows for the idea of reincarnation - but not completely as it's been thought - but real enough to call it what it is.....

  • Posted By: stujonesmd @ 10/31/2007 6:06:44 PM

    As a physician, trained to be a skeptic, I am still aware that there are phenomena that are real that cannot be explained by currently accepted theory. Ghosts and apparitions, UFOs, telekinetic and clairvoyant events have been experienced by so many individuals (including a few skeptics) that these phenomena must be 'real', in the sense that they have 'really' impacted on some observers. If you have followed the recent cosmological theoretical outbursts, some of the theories that seem to be 'correct' in terms of the current evidence appear to me about as strange as ghosts, maybe a touch stranger. We should also remember Clarke's famous comment that any technology (or science) not understood by the observer is indistinguishable from magic.

  • Posted By: aprilybarra169 @ 10/31/2007 5:45:24 PM

    When I was 10 years old I seen a ghost in the house I lived it. They haunted me and my family until we moved. I was out side the first time I seen them threw a window and they knew I had seen them and that freightened me even more. My family had to drag me back into my home and I told them I wanted to live at my grandparents until they moved and they let me. My mother had seen serveral ghosts as well. I believe highly in ghost and Im sure there are others out there that do to.

    • Posted By: angel58 @ 10/31/2007 6:06:09 PM

      I saw my first ghost about a year ago in a house I was renting. He hung out in the hall and both bedrooms that were on each end of the hall. It started out as just a feeling like some one was standing next to you, or in the same room. Than it was seeing things move out of the corner of my eye.
      And it was always in the same area. The hall or bedrooms. Than one morning getting up to go to the bathroom I saw him across the hall sitting on the edge of the guest bed. He looked right at me and was gone. I never got a negative feeling from him. But kept it to my self for awhile. Than one day I asked my boyfriend if he ever saw or heard anything strange. He kindof looked at me strange and said Yes I have but was afraid I was going to scare you. He saw the shadows in the hall and heard things. I told him what I had seen and he was not upset just confused and questioning. We kind of just excepted the fact that we had company. Than one day I came home and the house was dark but many times my boyfriend would get head aches and turn out the lights and lay on the floor in his office which is right in the middle of the hallway. I was real quiet because I didnt want to wake him. I stood in the hall way and said hello. No answer. So stepped into the office and said hello and tryed to see in the dark. I got Hello back. So I said. John where are you I cant see you. Well, that is because he was not there. he was at the neighbors.
      5 minuts later he came through the back door. I was blown away. But once again not scared.
      Sence than we heard and saw more shadows. But now have moved from the house to another rental.
      it has changed my life. And I believe.

  • Posted By: Brit Lassy @ 10/31/2007 6:05:18 PM

    Of course I believe in Ghosts and Heaven.. We have the Father , Son and Holy ... What? Ghost... the very idea that we carry on after death, in some form or another is fundemental to countless of religious creeds. The world of Science, concludes that energy is a constant, altered, or changed, but will continuously exist. I believe that our energy can rise unto the Heavens, or have a purpose to stay, or be trapped by circumstances that have left them confused, and not knowing where to go. The Catholic Church teaches openly of Spirits, and blesses houses for activities that are unexplained. As in all things, I also believe there is a balance of evil that exists that is constantly 'at war' with us, and those with out knowledge or just foolish dabble in that realm, find events or even worse occurances happen. I grew up in Britain, where 'seeing' and 'hearing' things is not considered to be unusual, as it tis rather an accepted part of the continuance of 'life' after the body dies.
    Just a few thoughts..

  • Posted By: lolitarosarito @ 10/31/2007 5:42:18 PM

    It is really impossible to really know the truth and not everything can be explained scientifically as we would like. Sometimes there just isn't a rational or scientific explanation. One thing I have learned, not being a scientist is the beauty of random occurances and coincidences. The more we open our minds to outside side the box of textbook thinking, the more beautiful the world becomes.

    • Posted By: siddhartha i @ 10/31/2007 6:04:47 PM

      really liked your comment and agree - the world is much more beautiful without the box of rationalization - which I like to call ignorance.

    • Posted By: siddhartha i @ 10/31/2007 5:53:30 PM

      Yes I concur, I liked your comments as this world does indeed become more beautiful the more you don't rationalize it [box it]. It's why the Buddhist understand it that way. A most difficult aspect is suffering at the hands of those with power who insist you're totally wrong..... Daniel

  • Posted By: leota @ 10/31/2007 6:04:27 PM

    some people think of ghosts as angels. i think i've experienced both in my life time.

  • Posted By: leota @ 10/31/2007 6:03:34 PM

    Some people believe 'ghost' is just another word for 'angel'. Something to think about...

  • Posted By: Lafem @ 10/31/2007 5:33:50 PM

    What about dreams and when they actually come true. I had a dream of one of my brothers dieing and I told no one until after his death that I had the dream. I was 15 years of age at the time.

    • Posted By: Heloise @ 10/31/2007 6:02:03 PM

      People dream about relatives dying more often than you'd think. In the event that it coincides with an actual death, the average person would think it's a miracle - they think it's some mind-boggling power or sign. In some instances, you have reason to dream they're going to die (ex, your cousin carries too much stress or drinks too much and you dream he'll die in a car accident, your overweight uncle seems stressed out and you dream he has a heart attack, etc. ). Maybe it's a way to cope, maybe it's a feeling of guilt, but it certainly is not a super power.

  • Posted By: Teresalp @ 10/31/2007 5:59:07 PM

    The fact that some people are more receptive to seeing objects in patterns based on the level of dopamine their body produces doesn't address whether ghosts are real. Throughout the history of people, ghosts have been a recurring theme. The article also states that if you feel that someone is staring at you, and you look up to find someone looking at you, it could mean that the person looked at you because they saw you looking at them. That statement is true; however, I have noticed that 'homeless' people are particularly sensitive and will look at you when you stare at them from a distance, even when you are not in their line of sight. As homeless people are living on the streets, they need to be more aware. It would be extremely difficult to prove the existence of something as random and ethereal as a ghost. Especially since it's more common for sitings to occur when one is alone.

  • Posted By: denggina @ 10/31/2007 5:58:59 PM

    I think she needs to go to the third world countries and experiences it for herself. Like in Africa or southeast asia...many witchcraft happens. My mom experienced it for herself...
    So sad. I bet she doesn't believe in God also... but one day evey knee will bow down and every tounge will confess that Jesus is Lord.

  • Posted By: CommonDialog @ 10/31/2007 5:30:36 PM

    I am amazed at so many people's ability to take an interesting article and become personally offended by it. I don't believe the article cliamed there is no such thing as God, nor did it claim there is a God. It did not say there is no such thing as a ghost or that there is such a thing as a ghost.

    It said that the brain can fill in patterns which can cause people to see things that aren't there. That doesn't mean that the only time someone sees something and thinks "ghost," it's a fabrication of their brain, it just means that it happens sometimes.

    The article also mentions a study done about dopamine and pattern recognition. (By the way, dopamine is a brain chemical, naturally occuring in the human brain.) Again, how anyone thinks that the article is claiming that there is no God/Devil/ghosts/gremlins/boggymen/free lunches is totally beyond me.

    • Posted By: Lafem @ 10/31/2007 5:57:35 PM

      while the article does not say there is ?? what ever it does imply that dopamine is the cause of people seeing things. While dopamine does stimulate the brain people draw a conclution to the article based on the wording like ghost and pattern recognition. We only truely read only half of what we read. Our brain recongizes words that stick out to us, therefore we tend to read those words and not the rest. Kinda like selective hearing only in this case its reading.

  • Posted By: msbelle @ 10/31/2007 5:21:28 PM

    No wonder there is a brain drain in this country. The country is full of loonies chasing shadows!

    • Posted By: Short-N-Sexy @ 10/31/2007 5:56:37 PM

      I read your comment and I thought it was so damn funny that I lol to myself. I really needed a good laugh after my hectic day at work. Thanks.
      Cynthia Baldwin

  • Posted By: sld21 @ 10/31/2007 5:54:25 PM

    To NJGreenBud (if you're still on): I think you might need the education that you talk about. Just because you watch CNN once a week doesn't mean that you are indeed educated. Police murdering people? I'm from Wisconsin if you're talking about that specific incident and also have a fiancee who's a police officer, a brother who's a police officer, and many friends who are. Stop complaining about everything you said and go out and do something about it...if it's education then go educate, if it's murder go be a police officer, if it's a priest you're worried about be a lawyer. It's people like you who sit and complain about all the bad things in this world but that's all you do! I'm sick and tired of people like you-I'd like to see how you'd feel in a town where there aren't police officers. If you're unhappy about our country and won't do anything about it then move. Don't waste our air and space. Oh by the way, I'm liberal as well but at least I have the education to do something about our country and have a voice instead of just complaining to other people! God be with you!

  • Posted By: psuggs123 @ 10/31/2007 5:36:22 PM

    Personally there are no ghosts,etc. All that crap is of the devil, read the bible and it explains what happens to people who dabble with Witch Craft etc. Wake up world,the end is upon us!

    • Posted By: Heloise @ 10/31/2007 5:54:00 PM

      You are truly hilarious.

    • Posted By: Lafem @ 10/31/2007 5:49:27 PM

      The only reason you say what you say is because you are closed mined to ghost. Have you ever felt you have been in a place before and knew exactly where everything was. if your a parent have you not felt your child get hurt or just know something isnt right?

    • Posted By: sandrac82 @ 10/31/2007 5:44:12 PM

      There are many holy books that say many things. It is not for you or any of us to decide what is the real "truth." It is also not for you or anybody else to discredit or mock the personal beliefs of others. The reality here is that noone will ever know for certain what happens when life leaves the body. We will all have to wait until we pass on. Until then, we would all do well to respect one another and share our thoughts and knowledge without making demands on eachother to "believe this," or "deny that."

  • Posted By: Child_of_the_King4ever @ 10/31/2007 5:07:25 PM

    Thank You believeintheone, I totally agree wtih you. To add on Holloween is just a way of Satan getting to fill people with fear. God did not give people Fear but satan likes 2 scare people and make them feel like their all alone with no one to protect you when God is with 24/7. Never leaving alone. Ghosts aren't real no matter what you see. God Bless ya, BRooke

    • Posted By: lilbz76 @ 10/31/2007 5:52:48 PM

      Ahh, the human. Such an interesting creature. Such a capacity for good, or evil. Able to imagine, to dream, to produce fine works of art, or to destroy them. Most so blinded by their own so called magnificence they cant see the truck in front of them. To believe, or not to believe that is the question... Argue and bicker and be petty and theorize and study and claim to have the answer. When you get it right, I mean really RIGHT, not just think you have it right, let me know....

    • Posted By: lvdancer @ 10/31/2007 5:28:07 PM

      I think u r rite with the Halloween part, but maybe not with the ghosts. I never thought of halloween like that b4 but it makes sense. I also do believe there is some kind of spirit or ghost or something though bcz too many things have happened with that for there NOT to be. Look at any of these ghost stories and try 2 find an explanation for it. I tried and it is HARD.

    • Posted By: angelINwa @ 10/31/2007 5:19:13 PM

      But if God is a spirit, how can you not believe in ghosts? That is completely hypocritical. God is a "supernatural" type being, and for that matter, if you believe in the being Satan, there is another supernatural type being. Quickness to judge ones beliefs due to your faith is incredibly closed minded and I think GOD would have a problem with that.

  • Posted By: sarahcarla @ 10/31/2007 5:49:37 PM

    Perhaps his students didn't want to wear the sweater after learning that it was worn by a mass murderer, because now they wondered whether the sweater was clean; maybe the murderer was dirty (didn't bathe) or had a physical disease etc that, even though unlikely, was still lingering in the material. Or maybe they just didn't want to be known around campus as the one that put on the murderer's sweater. Regardless of age, students don't let things like that go by...even adults in the work place. I doubt seriously that most of the students thought that the murderer's essence remained on the sweater and they will now be affected somehow. Granted a few people may think that way. Maybe a strong sense of morals (morality) is more at play with the first example. Perhaps the thought of a murderer is so repugnant to alot of the professor's students and the sweater symbolized the murderer and that is why most put down their hands.

  • Posted By: MEEE @ 10/31/2007 5:14:31 PM

    PEOPLES GHOST R REAL!! HOW KAN AN GHOST B AN OBJECT?? I MEAN LET SAY UR UNCLE PASS AWAY N WHILE U DOIN SOMETHIN U SEE HIM, U KALL THAT AN OBJECt?? THIS LADY HERE WHO MADE THIS ARTICLE IS FILLIN UR HEAD WITH LIES!! GHOST R REAL, SUPERNATURAL R REAL GOD, DEVIL, A

    • Posted By: lvdancer @ 10/31/2007 5:48:57 PM

      Okay seriously; the caps lock is really annoying. If u want 2 get a message across, it will be better received if you r calm. And also, when did they say object?

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