Um.. this article, pertaining to random fixated studies in bad brain activity is a waste of precious time. Psychology nor Physics can explain the mysterious anomaly of the world. And this article is a joke! None of these so called experts have ever experienced anything I have or any other countless americans felt concerning ghosts. There is no such thing as fixing a patten in your head or hearing sounds we want to make out as a voice when we (The real People, and not a by-product of science) no exactly what the hell we are seeing and hearing. Science is cynically entertained by its will to become self-appointed Gods, and limit any other lay person that may lay claim to anything that is not explainable in their eyes. We are living in a reverse Galileo!! Where science, instead of the Church is fooling the masses. Get a life!! There are things that exist that not even your measuring rods can measure; tin heads!!
The Ghosts We Think We See
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Posted By: wewhoarechristians @ 11/01/2007 12:10:53 AM
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Posted By: frodogenic @ 10/31/2007 11:53:19 PM
This article is based on a logical fallacy. Science is the study of the natural world. The supernatural, by definition, is not part of the natural world. That which does not belong to the natural world cannot be understood by studying the natural world. The study of apples, my friends, reveals nothing whatsoever about oranges. That's simply logic; it has nothing to do with belief whatsoever. If there is such a thing as the supernatural, science is incapable of proving, disproving, or explaining it. If the supernatural could arise from the natural, it would not be supernatural. Supposing there are spirits, ghosts, premonitions, etc., such things by definition are spiritual--not physical and natural, and therefore not accessible to direct scientific investigation.
All this to say--science is wonderful. But it is NOT omniscient. It's about time we used our brains and stopped pretending it is. In fact, if you're going to attribute any kind of value to your brain, you can't say science explains everything, but that's another, very long, much more complex argument...
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Posted By: DJ Pickle @ 10/31/2007 11:50:42 PM
I believe this article explains a lot. I have always thought that people who see visions of religious figures in toast or trees, etc. are cooky. Besides do we really know what Jesus looked like? I have tried to find faces and shapes in clouds ever since I was a kid and I succeeded. Does that mean dead relatives are watching me? The answer is NO, ya wierdos.
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Posted By: frodogenic @ 10/31/2007 11:41:49 PM
This whole article is based on a logical fallacy. Science is the study of the natural world. The supernatural, by definition, is not part of the natural world. That which does not belong to the natural world cannot be understood by studying the natural world. The study of apples, my friends, reveals nothing whatsoever about oranges. That's a logical truth. It has nothing to do with belief whatsoever.
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Posted By: newthinker @ 10/31/2007 11:40:08 PM
It is a mistake to believe that psychology is a science, though it tries so hard to be. Why? because it studies things that are not absolutely quantifiable, uses experiments that will never be duplicated (in their results or their objects of study, i.e., people. That is not to say it is not useful in determining trends of behavior.
The thing that cracks me up about all this is that so-called Science and some scientists, believe there is a scientific answer to everything. There is not. There are things that can be studied within the realm of science, and things that cannot. The presence or existence of souls, God, ghosts, and spirits are just a few of these things.
Sure, it's a whole lot easier to explain things if you say - hey, you're just imagining it! Your dopamine levels must be elevated or something!
Would any of us feel human if we really believed that everything we think, like, imagine, dream, and love is all just a product of brain activity or chemical activity in our brains? Doesn't it all sound a lot like living in the Matrix?
Open your mind - learn to respect the things that science can teach us, and learn to respect all the other mysteries of the Universe that it cannot. Just because you can't science it to death doesn't mean it isn't real or true.
I don't know if there are ghosts, there are many things I don't know and will not know in this world. I believe I'm in training. I'm looking forward to learning more every day.
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Posted By: newthinker @ 10/31/2007 11:38:28 PM
It is a mistake to believe that psychology is a science, though it tries so hard to be. Why? because it studies things that are not absolutely quantifiable, uses experiments that will never be duplicated (in their results or their objects of study, i.e., people. That is not to say it is not useful in determining trends of behavior.
The thing that cracks me up about all this is that so-called Science and some scientists, believe there is a scientific answer to everything. There is not. There are things that can be studied within the realm of science, and things that cannot. The presence or existence of souls, God, ghosts, and spirits are just a few of these things.
Sure, it's a whole lot easier to explain things if you say - hey, you're just imagining it! Your dopamine levels must be elevated or something!
Would any of us feel human if we really believed that everything we think, like, imagine, dream, and love is all just a product of brain activity or chemical activity in our brains? Doesn't it all sound a lot like living in the Matrix?
Open your mind learn to respect the things that science can teach us, and learn to respect all the other mysteries of the Universe that it cannot. Just because you can't science it to death doesn't mean it isn't real or true.
I don't know if there are ghosts, there are many things I don't know and will not know in this world. I believe I'm in training. I'm looking forward to learning more every day.
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Posted By: newthinker @ 10/31/2007 11:33:55 PM
It is a mistake to believe that psychology is a science, though it tries so hard to be. Why? because it studies things that are not absolutely quantifiable, uses experiments that will never be duplicated (in their results or their objects of study, i.e., people. That is not to say it is not useful in determining trends of behavior.
The thing that cracks me up about all this is that so-called Science and some scientists, believe there is a scientific answer to everything. There is not. There are things that can be studied within the realm of science, and things that cannot. The presence or existence of souls, God, ghosts, and spirits are just a few of these things.
Sure, it's a whole lot easier to explain things if you say - hey, you're just imagining it! Your dopamine levels must be elevated or something!
Would any of us feel human if we really believed that everything we think, like, imagine, dream, and love is all just a product of brain activity or chemical activity in our brains? Doesn't it all sound a lot like living in the Matrix?
Open your mind learn to respect the things that science can teach us, and learn to respect all the other mysteries of the Universe that it cannot. Just because you can't science it to death doesn't mean it isn't real or true.
I don't know if there are ghosts, there are many things I don't know and will not know in this world. I believe I'm in training. I'm looking forward to learning more every day.
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Posted By: chauling @ 10/31/2007 11:33:22 PM
Bruce proves the point one sees what one wants to see.
The reduction of experience as a by product of L-dopa.
Proves he is a dopa.
There is nothing new in materialist science seeking to find the magic molecule.
Some day it will be in the quark, or the string, ad infinitum.
The soul is in the magic not the molecule.
He is looking at the wrong end of the microscope.
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Posted By: punkrkr392 @ 10/31/2007 11:29:58 PM
i'm am very religious so i believe that when your sick or going through something tough then your family members that have passed come and see you to comfort you. i also believe that spirts are here for a reason but i don't go as far as poltergeists and every little flicker behind you is a supernatural thing.
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Posted By: walt2 @ 10/29/2007 7:52:07 PM
Hmmm. I did have a premonition of terrible loss and death exactly 24 hours before the Oklahoma City bombing - to the minute I believe. And for the entire week before 9/11 I had the growing feeling that something 'terrible and devastating' was going to happen that would affect Wall Street, with a drop in the Dow of approximately 1200-1400 points. This feeling was so strong that on Monday the 10th I moved my entire IRA into safe-haven funds. I'd love to hear science come up with an explanation of how a higher level of Dopamine in my brain could explain those events.
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Posted By: ItsInYourHead @ 10/29/2007 10:09:20 PM
If you knew something bad was going to happen why didn't you tell anyone? Why be concerned with just your own self, your own money? I mean, if I knew that taking X action would save me a lot of money, I think I would tell more people rather than keep the secret to myself. I really wish I had special powers and could see this other world you all talk about, get the feelings from that other realm.
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Posted By: _Lina_ @ 10/31/2007 11:27:22 PM
If this guy had said something, would you have done anything? For instance, if I said that right now, I have a looming sense of dread and I think that tomorrow, the stock market will crash and you will lose all your money, would you believe me? Truthfully, I think not.
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Posted By: _Lina_ @ 10/31/2007 11:18:06 PM
First of all, walt2 clearly says he didn't know what would go wrong. What was he supposed to say, "Oh hey everyone, I have a bad feeling, something bad is going to happen soon! So secure all your money!" Would you have done anything? And even if he had known what would happen, one of two things would ensue: either nobody would believe him, or everyone would. If nobody had believed him, no good would have come of saying anything anyways, except (as one person earlier said) the chance to say ha-ha-I-told-you-so. If people did believe him it would probably cause mass pandemonium and chaos, and possibly even worse things would occur as a direct result of it (think stock market crash of October 1929)
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Posted By: walt2 @ 10/30/2007 1:23:28 AM
The saturday before 9/11 I almost did tell some of my friends, and I should have, but I chickened out. I think someone else mentioned something: what we don't understand we tend to fear. Also, each of the dozens of experiences I have had have each been different in flavor, and, since this doesn't happen every week, or even every month, you don't get a lot of practice/experience. It simply comes as a warning out of the blue - 'something bad is coming'. As well, I had nothing concrete to say about Oklahoma or 9/11. It wasn't as if I could point to a map and say 'Oklahoma City, big bomb, federal building, 9AM, tomorrow.' And if someone had said something that specific to the 'wrong' person, they migh have enjoyed a nice long stay in an interrogation cell somewhere. Some of the other comments here ridicule or poke fun at what they see as superstition. Believe me, after a plane crash or two with premonitions there can come a time when you don't want it.
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Posted By: Cascadia @ 10/30/2007 2:24:29 AM
I live on the West Coast of the US and on 9/11 I work up at 5:50 am PST (3 minutes after the plane hit the first tower) which was almost an hour and ten minutes before my normal time to wake up. I turned on the TV (I never watch tv in the morning) but you couldn't tell at that point that it was an attack since it was before the second plane hit. How and or why did that happen?
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Posted By: higgsnewton @ 10/29/2007 9:24:43 PM
Isn't it also possible that you ate an undercooked cheeseburger on both of those occasions and have confused a low-grade gastroenteritis with premonitions of doom? Here's the thing: as a scientist, I would be happily obliged to test any hypothesis you could reasonably construct as a proposed mechanism for the link between your dyspepsia and our national catastrophes were you able to provide one more feasible than "it must be true because it is so coincidental." Perhaps more miraculous than that, if you were able to prove to any level of statistical significance the link between your acid reflux and current events of any sort, as a scientist--I WOULD BE FORCED TO ACCEPT IT! Quite to the contrary, in general, scientists are the most open-minded members of our society because their beliefs are only constrained by that which is proven to be true, and are bound to accept any belief, even your indigestion-disaster hypothesis, that is provable.
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Posted By: walt2 @ 10/30/2007 1:54:28 AM
Sounds like a rather barren world you live in. I always wondered about the guy down the street who worked on engines all day, but knew nothing about poetry. His love life suffered for it. I suppose it's like the difference between a technical writer of software manuals and a novelist who dreams up wonderful stories out of thin air. There is far more in this world than is written of in your 'science' books, my friend.
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Posted By: cassdenata @ 10/30/2007 8:29:50 AM
What a negative view you have of science, you should read Unweaving the Rainbow, a book emphasizing the awe science imparts. I honestly couldn't imagine anything more incredible than learning about the massive explosion of a supernova, which seeds the galaxy with the elements for life. A blackhole which literally bends space and time. Learning about the incredible diversity of species that have ever existed.
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Posted By: walt2 @ 10/30/2007 1:41:53 AM
I do know the difference between a bout of indigestion and a staggering sense of loss and death that almost incapacitates one. In fact, during the few times I have been sick in my life, the ability to sense premonitions and the like has been decreased by sickness, not increased. I don't particularly enjoy having these experiences. And I am not chagrined in the least by the inability of 'science' to measure or 'prove' whether these experiences are 'true'. That just isn't necessary. The link or mechanism for these phoenomena will not be found in the Left brain, where science seems to live. Can you measure or 'prove' Intuition or sudden insight, or the ability to 'gestalt' a situation in the blink of an eye? How about the abilities of an idiot savant? There are some truths which you will never be able to measure. Just as there are some things which can be learned but which can't be taught.
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Posted By: CrazyAnna1 @ 10/31/2007 11:25:31 PM
People now in days are still going nuts about everything being explain by science. They (the scientist) should start believeing that all this world has unexplaineble matters of issues that no one should discover or know. Now explaining the supernatural with something do with the brain is simply ridieculeous. Things happen and it's just that.
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Posted By: jeepit69 @ 10/31/2007 11:25:08 PM
If i were to sit and write about every experience ive had since i was roughly 8 yrs of age, you ppl would be reading a book. Im not saying i have special powers, nor am I special. I believe that everyone has some ability, to see and hear the unseen and unheard, some are more intune with themselves, and their surroundings. I have seen my fair share of things, heard things, and have dreamed of the future, in which most of it has happened, but who do you tell? Noone wants to be looked down upon as different or insane
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Posted By: salmio @ 10/31/2007 11:24:22 PM
chocoluscious, whats to say it wasnt just a dream? my friend drowned and was brought back, he also stopped breathing, but he said he saw nothing there, just darkness. couldnt you have imagined that ideealic place as a way to escape the pain of the birth and the memory of your grandmothers death was recent? it is the The Ghosts We Think We See
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Posted By: chocoluscious @ 10/31/2007 11:18:06 PM
I'm not going to try to argue with anybody over their beliefs. I would just like to share something that happened to me on September 20th 1982. I was in the delivery room at the local hospital giving birth to my youngest son.I had what I at first thought was a dream. I was floating through a peaceful misty sort of a place when I heard my grandmother (who died back in 1978) saying to me "Sharon,your'e not supposed to be here yet. Go back." The next thing I knew I was waking up in recovery with my brother at my side,saying"We almost lost you" I didn't find out until a few months later that I had stopped breathing on the delivery table. The doctor was about to pronounce me dead when I suddenly started breathing again. So,I won't argue with any of you on what you believe.I just know what I know.
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Posted By: AfroCuban @ 10/31/2007 9:45:43 PM
The Ghosts We Think We See
Sharon Begley
Normal brain functions, such as seeing patterns, make us more likely to believe in the supernatural.
I hate you white people. you are so *** retarded. your science is *** demonic. All other nations have Spirituality. white people scoff and trust in your science. thats why you have no dicks, no soul, and are the most pathetic people on the face of the Earth that God made. 'the ghosts we think we see'. You are so satanic. Spirituality is REAL. It is Necessary. no youre not 'rite' about that whatever your white devil ass wrote. God is love. Jesus Christ is Lord God Almighty. HE saves us from our sins by His grace. We NEED Him. You white demons think your plastic money is going to do something for you. money wont do *** for you. when you stand before God in front of the Judgement seat, Hes not going to take your plastic money. Youd better repent. Jesus Christ saves. He is the Giver of Eternal Life. People have been believing in God and Jesus Christ for over 2000 years. you plastic white people have been attacking the faith for just as long. We Black people BELIEVE in God. We BELIEVE in Jesus Christ by Gods grace. WE KNOW we need Him. We cant live or do without Him. Only He gives life, physically and spiritually. *** your white devil philosophies. 'seeing patters' make us 'more likely' to believe. *** YOU SATAN. white people are the devils race and the devils mouth piece. The TRUTH is that God gives us Faith and He causes us to understand Spiritual things. There is more to life than this plastic devil world. There is a Spiritual world. There is A Heaven and a Hell. white people are so arrogant and haughty, they scoff and Spirituality. We Black people KNOW there is a God. God is love. By His grace we KNOW that we need Him. your white devil science is not going to do a damn thing for you here, or when you stand in front of God. the Bible says 'Avoid Oppositions of Science Falsely Called So'....... FALSELY. OPPOSITIONS. science opposes the faith of Believers.-
Posted By: bean59 @ 10/31/2007 10:05:42 PM
To Afrocuban,, i sure hope you are done! Go to bed....................geeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted By: LC123 @ 10/31/2007 11:17:34 PM
It always surprises me how people who CLAIM to be followers of Christ can be so racist and full of hatred. If you opened your bible or went to a real church, you might find that hatred comes from the devil- whatever color he is.
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Posted By: stopglobalwarming @ 10/31/2007 11:05:29 PM
wow...that was probably the most ridiculous post i have ever read--even though i'm WHITE it makes me want to laugh. for your information, mr. afroman, some white people do believe in heaven and hell, it's not just you "black people." i'm willing to bet that not all black people believe either. i don't know, just a hunch. and, in case you were wondering, there is a difference between religion and spirituality, so please get it right. spirituality has absolutely nothing to do with organized religion. you have stooped so low with this one...
and i thought this world still had a problem with white people being discriminant toward blacks? perhaps their forms of racism are microaggressions. your racism seems to be quite clear and particularly offensive. why don't you expand your horizons and actually talk to white people and see that they aren't so different from you. if you don't have anything nice, intelligent, or thought-provoking to say, why don't you just keep your mouth shut.
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Posted By: jeepit69 @ 10/31/2007 11:05:18 PM
The topic was ghosts, How did it turn to God , and racisists comments?
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Posted By: josephjohnson55555 @ 10/31/2007 9:51:11 PM
Dear AFROCUBAN.....you said: "I hate you white people...." Know that those who hate will not go to heaven. Nor will racists. You ought to meditate on that.....
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Posted By: kingspred @ 10/31/2007 10:43:08 PM
I understand why there are skeptics and secularism. Wars have been waged, lives have been lost, money has been stolen, sanctimony emerges in the name of religion. Religion is extremely precarious when not understood or practiced properly. Secularists feel that a faith-based system is illogical, that science proves who we are more than religion. They think there is no God or they blame God for the world being so unjust. Well why must it be that science and God are so mutually exclusive? And here's a reminder: religion is not supposed to be easy. Understanding God is not easy, for we can never fully understand. It's a lifelong journey. The world is what we make of it. Free will enables us to make this world what it is. We are also supposed to live in harmony with the Earth. Billions of years have shaped our planet and the universe, natural disasters aren't going to subsist just because humans have been around for the blink of an eye in geological terms. God wants us to choose Him, to choose to be good for ourselves and others. He doesn't want us to be obedient robots. Overzealous people of faith miss the point, as well. Passing judgment on and reprimanding others is antithetical to what God wants from us. There isn't one path to God, but there is one goal. The afterlife exists and what you do in the physical realm will determine where you go from here. Do the best you can, be thankful, help others. You'll be all right.
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Posted By: yogibear1979 @ 10/31/2007 11:17:10 PM
Thank God you are here to explain to atheists and the "overzealous" the nature of God and how He wants us to discover Him.
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Posted By: jeepit69 @ 10/31/2007 11:12:31 PM
AfroCuban, I think your on the wrong discussion board, were speaking of ghosts,supernatural, the unseen in which some ppl are able to actually see. When did God come into play? Thou shall not judge one another, thats Gods job.
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Posted By: aquaholic87 @ 10/31/2007 11:06:47 PM
i agree with your opinion jaytmoon, there's things that cant be explained by science. that makes our world unique. and our creator is a genius. thats why he makes some things unexplainable by science. (sori for the english)
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Posted By: kingspred @ 10/31/2007 10:55:21 PM
I understand why there are skeptics and secularism. Wars have been waged, lives have been lost, money has been stolen, sanctimony emerges in the name of religion. Religion is extremely precarious when not understood or practiced properly. Secularists feel that a faith-based system is illogical, that science proves who we are more than religion. They think there is no God or they blame God for the world being so unjust. Well why must it be that science and God are so mutually exclusive? And here's a reminder: religion is not supposed to be easy. Understanding God is not easy, for we can never fully understand. It's a lifelong journey. The world is what we make of it. Free will enables us to make this world what it is. We are also supposed to live in harmony with the Earth. Billions of years have shaped our planet and the universe, natural disasters aren't going to subsist just because humans have been around for the blink of an eye in geological terms. God wants us to choose Him, to choose to be good for ourselves and others. He doesn't want us to be obedient robots. Overzealous people of faith miss the point, as well. Passing judgment on and reprimanding others is antithetical to what God wants from us. There isn't one path to God, but there is one goal. The afterlife exists and what you do in the physical realm will determine where you go from here. Do the best you can, be thankful, help others. You'll be all right.
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Posted By: Brian Leahy @ 10/31/2007 11:05:47 PM
Our years of life are finite, but the years of our after-life are infinite? Infinity is a heady idea; it means we will all still be either strumming harps or roasting in hell even trillions of years from now, when all the stars have burnt themselves out and the physical universe is cold, dead and so diffuse it might as well be thought of as empty. And we'll still just be getting started.
Yet here's the rub: we're to believe that, in God's eyes, our conduct during the pitiful flicker of time in which we are flesh and blood determines whether the rest of eternity will be endless torment or endless bliss. Infinite reward or infinite punishment based on a very - VERY - finite amount of either good or bad behavior.
The only way to accept this idea as true is to abandon any semblance of logical consistency - which I'm just not about to do.
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Posted By: aquaholic87 @ 10/31/2007 11:04:10 PM
i agree with ur opinion jaytmoon there's things that cant be explained by science! that makes God a genius of all genius cause he make our world unique!
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