Democrats like myself want to know: Is Hillary for giving amnesty to 20 million illegal foreigners, or lying about her beliefs in political doubletalk? Will she disclose the truth of her White House documents, or try to keep them hidden like a secrecy-oriented Bush-Cheney? Will she be honest with voters ABOUT EVERYTHING, or try to b.s. her way into power like most other pols? The spotlight now will reveal the answers.
She will not say when she will bring the troops home. I will not vote for that dishones
She will not release the very revealing doc
uments from her years in the Clinton White House. I will not vote for such ogance and dishonesty.
If you are a Democrat, particularly after 8 years of the Bush fiasco, you must insist on total transparency,
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honesty, and policies that support the best interests of citizens, not foreigner
POLITICS
A Drop of Blood in the Water
Watch out, Hillary: the feeding frenzy has just begun.
Oct 31, 2007 | Updated: 6:53 a.m. ET Oct 31, 2007
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Posted By: John Luma @ 11/03/2007 2:09:48 PM
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Posted By: inddenver @ 11/03/2007 2:06:03 PM
Hillary is going to lose the Democrat's chance to the WhiteHouse in 2008 if she's nominated. She will not win in the general election. Polls are already saying a good chunk of the "voting" public, not just democrats, would not vote for her. If she is the Democratic nominee, I, a female, ***, hispanic democrat will NOT vote for her. I'll just sit out the election. I have never done that. Hillary cannot be trusted. She has too much baggage that the republicans can't wait to get their hands on. Republicans want her to win the nomination so they can then tear her apart. She was evasive at the last 2 debates now. I say John Edwards for 2008. He represents a better chance for winning in 2008. He's not a woman and he's not a black muslim. Let's be realists, the people who actually vote in America are not going to vote for a Hillary or Obama. John Edwards for 2008!
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Posted By: Sarah701 @ 10/31/2007 6:49:17 PM
American Dream? Please. hahaha what a loser response. What have republicans done to improve the individual lives of anyone? Nada. Quit campaigning, you're ignorance is appalling. Get a grasp on international politics first, and then come back and tell me why I should vote for another republican.
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Posted By: chef01 @ 11/03/2007 10:04:23 AM
Thank you Sarah701. Republicans, what a joke. They're the reason this country we live in is a mess. What memorable thing has Georgie done. He and the republican controlled Congress accomplished nothing, except war and major national debt. Once more Dems are elected, more will get done in Congress. At least what real Americans want. Actually, ANYTHING is more than Georgie has accomplished. Have any of you ever been to Switzerland? Paul H, you must read the Washington Times. If you think America is doing well, and that our current system is the best in the world, you must live in a bubble house in Arizona with no connection to the outside world. Our country has steadily declined over the past seven years, in so many ways. The only answer is major change in how we do things. That won't happen with another Republican is office.
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Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 7:21:11 PM
International politics? LMAO ... yea ... that's a strong platform for Dems ... you truly are amazing. You can call me whatever names you want to Sarah, I come to expect this from ignorant libs, such as yourself.
But hey ... keep waving those pom poms for Hillary. LOL
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Posted By: sulliclari @ 11/02/2007 5:55:24 AM
Again during this debate, Hillary said Joe Biden is right. END OF STORY
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Posted By: sknapp9220 @ 10/31/2007 11:48:45 AM
Comment: When you look at the situation, who has the most to gain from Hillary Clinton being nominated for the Dems? The Republican party is looking for that perfect issue to "excite the base", because they certainly cannot achieve this on their record. Clinton's high to the negative side polling is in clear contrast, when you look at the kinds of voters who are saying they won't vote for her. These voters tend to be right-leaning moderates to ultra-conservative, which are exactly who the Republicans are after. The high negatives not only limit her voting pool, but in this case will cause people to go out and vote for whoever is running against her. There are still enough people who aren't glossy-eyed regarding the first Clinton presidency. We are all having flashbacks to the renting of the Lincoln Bedroom for fundraising dollars.
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Posted By: redheaded blue girl @ 10/31/2007 1:46:32 PM
"Renting the LIncoln Bedroom"? You mean like George H. W. Bush inviting druggie Rush Limbaugh to be his guest? It's not like that is the most important issue facing this country anyway. Why drag out this dumb tired trash as your way of 'contributing' to the discourse? We are in an insane war, our economy is tanking, our environment is in danger and you're worried about guests in the Lincoln Bedroom? Get real!
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Posted By: maryrivers @ 10/31/2007 2:27:05 PM
To redheaded blue girl:
You are a blonde, aren't you?-
Posted By: conserve @ 11/01/2007 1:35:32 PM
Unlike Clinton's buddies, Rush wasn't dealing the stuff ...
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Posted By: Beware The Believers @ 10/31/2007 1:22:46 PM
I will NEVER vote for Obama or Edwards after last night's ridiculous and petty performances re Clinton! Prior to last night I had a healthy respect for both candidates. I sure hope Clinton wins the primary now because if she does not, 2008 will be the first time I have voted in 37 years that I did NOT support a democrat for president! I will stay home rather than vote for either Obama or Edwards who I now consider to be the worst type of candidate, the mud throwing, scum of the earth types!
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Posted By: Lisa_McNiece @ 10/31/2007 2:46:58 PM
I completely agree, but it really does prove that they are threatened by her , wether it is the fact that she is a woman or that they just realize she is a great competitor with a great deal of experience and knowledge. Already she has proven that in the face of attack she doesn't falter. She will come out on top, because she is the right person to run this country.
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Posted By: conserve @ 11/01/2007 1:31:18 PM
not falter? tee-hee - she not only "faltered", she completely fell on her face! Those were not "attacks" - they were questions about her philosophy for running the country!!! Would you rather not know what she really thinks?
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Posted By: gszasz @ 10/31/2007 1:42:37 PM
The handlers must of told all their candidates to say they did not understand Hillary's answer about Driver's Licenses for non-documented workers. If you read Elliot Spitzer's law, it says nothing about privilege but instead forces these workers to register for licenses making them identifiable if they cause or are involved in an accident. There are many other benefits for citizens including assigning responsibility to business owners who can now demand their non-documented workers have licenses. Any documentation is better than none. This is a good band aid though it doesn't address or solve the immigration problemat all. It does however make common sense and Hillary and Elliot spitzer are doing the best they can in a situation dependent on Federal laws changing. I though hillary was both clear and correct in her views.
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Posted By: conserve @ 11/01/2007 1:28:15 PM
Giving them ID won't solve the problem - buy them a good meal and send them home after giving them an identifying mark that can be used to prove they were here before. If they come in illegally again, a severe criminal penalty - NOT jobs, free health care and schools, and other privileges we work hard for.
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Posted By: monicalewinsky69 @ 10/31/2007 5:06:36 PM
She is shrlll, opportunistic, calculating and unworthy of being President. Moreover, she is not a person who can bring the countrty together at a time when it truly needs that type of a leader. Bill was. She's no Bill.
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Posted By: dogman @ 11/01/2007 1:25:59 PM
Aren't we all calculating an opportunistic. I would think we would want a president to calculate and know when to go for it. And as for her being high pitched and piercing in tone as say Dean's famous squel, I don't follow. I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
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Posted By: Demilitiacrat @ 10/31/2007 8:07:21 PM
Guess what? Hillary is Bill with Balls. She has alot of the charisma that Bill had, maybe not more than him but her charisma is that you can tell she really believes what she's talking about, that she's believed in it for a long time and has always wanted to help this country from a very young age. You can see that she cares, that she has a good sharp, strong, focused mind, that she has thought about the nearly impossible and thanks to GW the monstrous and gargantuan problems we face as a country right now. I see in her what I saw in her husband. That she holds to her beliefs, which is to stand up for them, and do your best to solve those problems. I see that they both believe in making this a better country, in standing up for what's right, justice, tolerance, and the sanctity of peace in a troubled and unstable world. She has the spirit, the brains, the drive, the heart and the money behind. So all of you idiots that thought a tax cut was the most important thing and would turn the whole country around, why don't you take a good look at what you have sacrificed for your party of hate, bigotry, greed and tax cuts. Oh and has anyone ever heard of seperation between Church and State? When did someone tell Bushy that it's okay for him to talk about the Lord guiding him and how he found the Lord? Nothing against religion, just another example of his immaturity and stupidity. As if it matters at all if he found the Lord or his bung hole.
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Posted By: conserve @ 11/01/2007 1:11:59 PM
Hillary has no beliefs, except that we the people are too stinking stupid to brush our own teeth! Her only beliefs would turn us into a new "Soviet Union" - sometime read up on how Stalin and Lenin dealt with their "enemies of the state", and what constituted an "enemy" - you will find that Hillary represents hatred and bigotry much more than the republicrats do ...
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Posted By: gszasz @ 10/31/2007 1:53:31 PM
It's a boring contest for the media when any candidate leads by 20 points in national polls. They just want to make it interesting. I do agree that they forced the attacks on Hillary but Obama and Edwards couldn't wait to take the bait.. A lot of my friends and I all supported Obama for quite a while, but now we support Hillary because she is far less naive and appears to be a stronger leader,
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Posted By: conserve @ 11/01/2007 1:25:09 PM
Leader? ROFL - she can't even express an opinion, let alone lead anything - uh-uh-nope - not my leader, and I am a woman. (retired engineer, former military)
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Posted By: Multitasker @ 10/31/2007 8:46:47 PM
Talk about unfair and unbalanced, MSNBC made FOX look like Switzerland
I think Biden actually did the best.
Edwards is a hypocrite. Sued every doctor he could until his wife needed one.
Hillary proved once again how well she does talking out of both sides of her mouth. If she wins, I am moving to Canada
Obama is good, but he doesn't have the "Jerry Springer' mentality that Americans need to vote for him-
Posted By: conserve @ 11/01/2007 1:00:59 PM
Mr. Biden probably plagiarized his remarks from somebody else - much as he did in law school many years ago I was a Delaware resident long ago, and remember Biden well - don't want no parts of that guy.
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Posted By: conserve @ 11/01/2007 12:53:14 PM
Hillary, like all the other candidates, has had plenty of time to think about the ramifications of accepting the "undocumented" and providing them the privileges of citizenship without any commitment or effort on their part - she should not only have anticipated the question, she should have been prepared to answer it. She has no concern for the problems they cause, she just wants their VOTES!!! The vote is for citizens, not for those who enter our country with the express (or unexpressed) intent to destroy America, its political system and its culture.
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Posted By: Gayront79 @ 11/01/2007 12:24:06 PM
I watched the debate a couple of nights ago and clearly Obama and Edwards are loosing as we speak. They are trying all they can to keep the power they have going into this first run off vote. They are scared, and it did look bad attacking women on a stage full of men. Edwards talks about lobbying efforts by Hillary but he took money from lawyers bundling money for his campaign, hum, in addition, when he made profits from the foreclosure of homes in the State of Louisiana, by a company in which he was invested in, cashed out with lots of money and he created no fund to give back money to help those people, but he is right, "two Americas", which part of America is Edwards part of 1 or 2? Double talk ah Edwards. What world are you from, you saw you talk no money from lobbyist but from a lawyer Pac, what is the difference? You sir are a double talker.
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Posted By: dogman @ 11/01/2007 11:47:13 AM
Edited verison: It is pretty easy to figure out what Hillary meant in the debate two days ago concerning illegal immigrants and drivers licenses. If we are talking about the problem of drivers without insurance then one way to deal with it is to allow illegal immigrants to have drivers licenses so they can get insurance, that is common sense. However, if we're talking about the problem of illegal immigration then giving illegals drivers licenses to live clear after crossing a porous border; No, that isn't the best deterrent. Now, I didn't watch the debate but it sounds like the question was trying to split Hillary's positions on the lack of insured drivers, illegal immigration, homeland security, and civil liberties. She answered the first part too succinctly and needed to add the buzzword of illegal immigration on the second part. That would of led her to a comment on a national id cards and how she hestiates to go there. With a rousing 'we need to closed the border' as a final statement, we would be practicing the phrase Madam President. This was a chance for Hill to hit a glad slam, and she foul it away with a full count.
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Posted By: dogman @ 11/01/2007 11:29:12 AM
It is pretty easy to figure out what Hillary meant in the debate two weeks ago concerning illegal immigrants and driver's licenses. If we are talking about the problem of drivers without insurance then one way to deal with it is to allow illegal immigrants to have driver's licenses so they can get insurance is common sense. However, if were taking about the problem of illegal immigration then giving illegals driver's licenses to live free after crossing a porous border isn't the best deterrent. Now, I didn't watch the debate but it sounds like the question was to split Hillary's positions on the lack of insured driver's, illegal immigration, homeland security, and civil liberties. She answered the first part too succinctly and needed to hit the buzzword of illegal immigration all the second part. That would of lead her to a comment on a national id card and how she hestiate to go there. With a rousing we need to closed the border. This was a chance to hit a glad slam, and she foul it away with a full count.
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Posted By: boyblue @ 11/01/2007 7:04:35 AM
they say she took 2 hours of attack, and stayed calm and on task the entire time. Well Bill definately taught her good. Remember when Bill was on attack about Monica, and he stayed calm, and on task the entire time? Thats what they're taught to do!
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Posted By: alreds @ 11/01/2007 4:53:30 AM
Mrs. Clinton is trying to have it both ways, but now she's finally being forced to define herself. This is the right approach to use to unmask her and to bring to light what she really is. Way to go!
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Posted By: USMC1980 @ 11/01/2007 4:22:08 AM
Despite the supposed "vulnerabiltiy", Hillary Clinton is stillwinning in every major poll against her rivals, AND against Rudy Giuliani. The truth is, that one stumble won't erase the perfect score shes had in every other debate. Despite the wishes of Wolffe, Matthews and others, Hillary Clinton is still by far the strongest candidate, and in a choiuce between her or "Bush Bot" Rudy Giuliani, she wins among the vast majority of Dems and Independents....and that is something no amount of spin can change.
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Posted By: USMC1980 @ 11/01/2007 4:20:58 AM
Despite the supposed "vulnerabiltiy", Hillary Clinton is stillwinning in every major poll against her rivals, AND against Rudy Giuliani. The truth is, that one stumble won't erase the perfect score shes had in every other debate. Despite the wishes of Wolffe, Matthews and others, Hillary Clinton is still by far the strongest candidate, and in a choiuce between her or "Bush Bot" Rudy Giuliani, she wins among the vast majority of Dems and Independents....and that is something no amount of spin can change.
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Posted By: TKEIRISH @ 11/01/2007 12:01:14 AM
skyz, you obviously are for a big government. However, how do you plan on the government paying for health care for everyone. Not only that, but then how do you regulate it. If going to the doctor is free, paid for by the government, you will see hospital visits skyrocket. Our doctors and nurses will be overwhelmed by merely people coming in for colds and coughs. It would be nice in this world to have everyone have health care and money however it will make people weak and dependent and they will over abuse the system. The best system for anything in my belief is a system that is designed to get pople back on their feet so that they themselves can pay for it.
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Posted By: abrook8 @ 10/31/2007 3:29:07 PM
To all you gllible and navie liberals, just listen to Hillary's answers to all questions in this last debate. She answers all of them with doublespeak and outright lies and distortions. I cannot think of even one that she answered with any candor? Is this the best you have: more clinton equivocating doublespeak? Just answer the questions Hillary without blaming GW Bush for everything! For example, you blame GW for not passing the amnesty bill, yet he was for it! Ad you have a majority in houses! Truth: the American people want straight answers, and not twisted and turning blame sessions, they want truth and honest answers!
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Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 4:35:22 PM
Sadly enough the Dems don't seem to understand, Clinton is nothing but a fraud. She has no position on anything other then wanting to take the world's greatest healthcare system and put it in the hands of our government.
This government can't even give provide solid healthcare for our military and we're to believe they'd be able to handle our whole country? Simply a joke.
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Posted By: kjb79 @ 10/31/2007 4:58:30 PM
Paul H, if you think this is the world's greatest healthcare system, you obviously haven't been injured in a real long time. For your benefit, I hope you don't get sick and end up in debt from the bills that your insurance company refuses to pay. Boy, are you living in a bubble.
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Posted By: skyz @ 10/31/2007 11:50:25 PM
the world's greatest health care is available here in the usa - however it is not available to all or even most of our citizens - if we can afford to kill a million people we can certainly afford to grant medical care to all our citizens - and if you think you are covered because you work and pay for your health care you might have a really nasty shock coming your way if you or your dependents ever are diagnosed with a very serious condition - just because you pay for catastrophic health insurance does not mean your insurance company will pick up the tab when you desperately need them - those children who are uninsured are the people who will be if they are still alive working to keep things afloat when you are hoping you will be playing golf - you need them to be healthy and well educated - an investment in them is an investment in your quality of life - don't be so short sighted - it is not wise
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Posted By: Cal_Culus @ 10/31/2007 7:08:56 PM
It's interesting to me how there are those amonst us who wish to have a 'Government Sponsored' healthcare system and are upset about the cost of the military and CIA! It's very interesting because if you took a moment and looked at what the Government is 'now' spending on healthcare, i.e. Medicare and such, you will find that there is much more spent on healthcare and socialistic programs than that of the Military! Further, it wasn't the intent of the Federal Government to take care of 'most' of what it has been taking on for the past number of years! The reason that healthcare is so dang expensive, not to mention why Social Security has its issues, is because of fraud and abuse by those that have their hands out . . . either those who don't deserve it and take it or those who are providing services and 'over charging' simply because they can . . . and then there are those who litigate for malpractice and then the lawyers who take advantage of all of this. The money that is being spent by the government isn't grown on trees . . . its provided by 'us' the people of the U.S. via taxes. Democrats believe . . . If I give you a fish you will eat today . . . Conservatives believe . . . If I 'teach' you to fish you will eat for life!!! I want the freedom to fail and to feel the satisfaction when I succeed. Try it sometime . . . you may just find that there is some goodness in getting what you truly deserve as opposed to just simply taking what you want!
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Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 5:08:25 PM
No actually I'm not in any bubble. I just believe it isn't the governments job to provide healtyhcare for you, me or anyone. That responsibility falls on us. Sure I would love to see the prices fall, but under no circumstance do I want it to fall on our governments shoulders.
You want further proof of the ineveitable doom with universal healthcare then look at the government run VA hospitals ... completely inadequate, and look to France and Canada and you will see people unhappy with what they're receiving.
I suggest you look at the facts a little closer before telling me I'm living in a bubble.
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