A Drop of Blood in the Water

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  • Posted By: adamskr @ 10/31/2007 4:37:57 PM

    abrooks8-you are as far off as you say the naive liberals are. I am neither naive or gulliable. I consider myslef well-educated, articulate and politically savvy. Your opinion is important and debate is what makes our politicals system work. But you do mot suplly facts for your very general and incorrect statements about Clinton. It seems you are the naive one that buys into the negative bias of the other candidtes and their double-speak. Why can't they sell themselves as the next president of the United States. The bashing they did on Hillary was exactly what we see on grade-school playgrounds. Name-calling because they don't have anything worth saying.

    • Posted By: mzzim@hotmail.com @ 10/31/2007 7:51:09 PM

      I agree abrooks8. The other candidates need to sell themselves..instead of bashing Hillary. But, they pick on the one who is far out in front because they are affraid on speaking about their own policies, afraid of stepping on toes. This is silly. They are all attacking her. If just one of these guys were smart enough, they would speak out and let the American people know just what they are going to do if they are elected president. Remember when Hillary mentioned her insurance care idea....then the guys all followed her lead and had theirs. It is apparent to me that they do not deserve to be in the lead..and Hillary does.

    • Posted By: abrook8 @ 10/31/2007 4:58:16 PM

      adamskr----just watch the tape, and listen to what she says, which is nothing. Andbelieve me, if you are a liberal, you are naive and gulible. Navie? DEMS:" Lets raise taxes after the tax cuts have spurred the economy and actually hugely increased the revenue to the federal treasury." Dems: "Lets ignore that actual fact and repeal the Bush tax cuts."
      I am a conservative who wants some form of health care. But I insist that whoever I vote for will give honsts answers without lying all over the place. Listen to the deabte again and see if you can figure out what she said. I can't. Do you want drivers licences for illeagals, yes or no? simple question that needs an answer.

  • Posted By: JRG3 @ 10/31/2007 6:59:51 PM

    There may be blood in the water but it's not HRC. Hillary is a 'seasoned' politician and experience attorney. Unfortunately, she's also like the herd of presidential wannabes who don't have viable, midstream answers to America's problems and challenges. She's worked with and been married to one of the slickest politicians this country has ever produced and as a pupil of Alinsky knows well how to handle her competitors both democrats and republicans. It's unfortunate she doesn't have more business experience at the executive level and leans towards social democracy. It would be nice to have a fearless statesman in office but I don't believe Hillary is the right person for the job.

  • Posted By: Sarah701 @ 10/31/2007 6:47:23 PM

    hahaha what a loser response. What have republicans done to improve the individual lives of anyone? Nada. Quit campaigning, you're ignorance is appalling. Get a grasp on international politics first, and then come back and tell me why I should vote for another republican.

  • Posted By: Sarah701 @ 10/31/2007 6:25:55 PM

    I find the majority of comments ignorant and irrelevant. Quit whining about the plan for universal health care, unless you have a better idea. Anything beats the pathetic system we are currrently ruled by. I look at the Republican field of candidates and see all of them as being potentially worse than the current president. Hillary is clearly the strongest candidate and is certainly shrewdly calculating enough to really effectively deal with Iran and regain international support for the U.S. Not only that, but she is an international figure, and widely respected, unlike most of the other candidates. Get over yourselves people--she's a flip-flopper, she's manipulative. Blah blah blah. She's a politician, and so is every single person up there. At least she's owns it, whereas others waste time trying to create the illusion that they're not like other politicians, when in fact, that's exactly what they are. You want splash and pizazz? That's exactly what we voted for in 2000 and look where that got us! Quit looking at the superficial. Who really has the stomach and tenacity to deal with the multitude of national and international quagmires we find ourselves in. If anything, last night's gang-up on Hillary (because let's face it, that wasn't anything closely resembling debate) only proved that she's got guts and staying power.

    • Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 6:39:38 PM

      And your comments aren't ignorant? Anything beats the pathetic system we are currently ruled by? That pathetic system you complain about is the best in the world.

      It's funny to watch Democrats complain about how this doesn't work, that doesn't work, but yet it's always things that ARe run by the government that arte bogged down and inadequate, so what's their answer to that? Give government MORE to do.

      This country was founded on capitalism, not socialism, it's a system that gives incentives to be the best you can be and you will be rewarded. That's what the American Dream is all about, you can have anything you want, but you're going to have to work for it, nothing should be handed to you and someone who makes more then you shouldn't be forced to take money they've earned and give more back so the government can fund free health care for those who can't afford it. What should be done is talking to those insurance companies who charge a boat load just for coverage. And maybe work on people who sue for everything under the sun.

      People want to blame blame blame and blame some more rather then looking themselves in the face and knowing the buck stops there with each and every one of us. It's not the governments job to give me health insurance, that responsiblitiy falls on my shoulders and everyone elses to provide for themselves.

      I work two jobs to provide for my fiance and I. People need to start providing for themselves insteading of acting as if they're owed something from others. Maybe if people did a little more for themselves instead of complaining how life isni't fair they'd have more for themselves.

      The plain and simple truth is if you want capitalism, you will vote republican, if you're a whiner and want government to do everything for you because you're too lazy to provide for yourself, then you want socialism and the Democrats.

  • Posted By: maxtexture @ 10/31/2007 7:53:42 AM

    Pretty Boy John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Christopher Dodd, along with the "neutral" moderators Brian Williams and Tim Russert totally set Clinton up and attacked her. She held very strong, proving that she has the ability to be our next commander-in-chief. I would like to see a Clinton/Biden ticket come 2008.

    • Posted By: Bob Dog @ 10/31/2007 6:28:03 PM

      Be not afraid of Billary nor the ignorant, ignorant, ignorant, ignorant idiots that manufacture our foreign policies and act like the world should love them (foreing policies) or be bombed. No president has absolute power here. Billary ran this country for eight years and put up with her wife's infidelity all the while. Now we have a very brave cowboy that everyone on earth hates, although he has the morons running scared, the ones that believe that if they just wipe out Jews, their problems will all be solved, you know....
      Perhaps we can get someone in office who stands for principal. Values are not principals as one can value a meth lab. Perhaps one who stands for principal to get our internal/external policies on the track of prinicipal centered government. Someone who knows that Palestinians are also people that God loves as much as your own very children. Someone, please someone that knows that good and evil do have common ground and unfortunately, it's the battle ground. Someone that ignores totally and completely, culture and focuses solely on truth. Someone that can bring forth these things in short order while keeping our military strong, fighting against those zealots who can't read their own policies. Getting the world fed and cared for and not tell others how to run their countries. Someone that can help everyone to know global stupidity is far more dangerous than warming. Who is this person?
      Vote.

  • Posted By: clikdawg @ 10/31/2007 6:27:51 PM

    Well, at least last night's debate gave us a good preview of the inevitable theme of her "inevitable" presidency: "Bush Was Worse!"

    No matter what happens, no matter how badly she stumbles, it will be Bush's fault, just like W has blamed everything on Bill; and the stock answer to criticism will be: "Would you like George Bush back again?" Delivered, of course, with incremental increases of her trademark shrillness, exasperation, and sense of personal entitlement.

    Fun, huh?

    And the American downward spiral continues ...

  • Posted By: janetb @ 10/31/2007 5:56:45 PM

    Paul thinks Hillary is evil because she wants to give immigrants driver's license,?It's ok for George Bush to give them total amnesty while showing no mercy to the American public

    • Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 6:22:18 PM

      And you'rer wrong about why I think Hillary is evil, she's evil because she wants to lead this country into socialism, it's just a shame you people don't understand that.

  • Posted By: janetb @ 10/31/2007 5:52:27 PM

    Paul says that Hillary is gfiving something(driver's license ti immigrants) and that is a no-no. Better than Bush giving total amnesty to them and in the same stride sticking it to Americans.

    • Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 6:10:46 PM

      Ummm, what do you think the Democrats want to do? Bush made a huge mistake by suggesting such a thing, you will never hear me say otherwise.

      I will say though that it's amazing the how people ignore Hillary's inabilities by declaring it's Bush's fault of comparing her to him, she's not running against him.

      But she has done nothing, thus far, to prove she deserves to be the next President of the United States, but she has done a lot to prove why she shouldn't be.

      Universal health care is one of the worst ideas ever, and her stance, along with most libs on illegal immigrants is enough for people to know she's not the one who should be the next President.

      She has no experience, and that's the reason her hubby, Bill, won't release information on what she did while first lady to the public until 2012, well after this election.

  • Posted By: woodsman1st @ 10/31/2007 6:03:29 PM

    Just wait until Peter Paul, the guy that paid for her big Bollywood Bash, gets through with her. She is so crooked she can't even testify in her own defense; but runs away from it. She has more mud thrown on her regarding illegal campaign contributions than all the other candidates, from both parties, put together. She is going to have to answer for all those pardons that she and her lying hubby Billy sold at the end of their disasterous time in the White House. She is going to have to answer why hubby Billy ignored and did nothing about the attacks on the Cole and our embassys throughout the world. She is going to have to explain why Billy boy refused to accept Bin Laden who was offered to us on a silver platter. Indeed she did learn lots of things while hubby Billy diddled with Monica and then lied under oath. I fear for our country if she becomes POTUS and then attempts to apply all she learned while Billy Boy destroyed our country for eight years.
    We should all be very afraid with her leading the Democraps; and God forbid if she ever does become POTUS; with that chilling thought we should all be VERY VERY AFRAID!

  • Posted By: sixtymama @ 10/31/2007 5:26:21 PM

    It is amazing to me that people are so nasty about Hilary. What scares you? A strong woman? An intelligent woman? If she was a man would you react the same way? I think men are afraid of her and the women who are not for her are wrong! Who runs the house in your home? Who raises the kids? Who budgets? Who multitasks all the time? The rest of the world is really into women in power, what is wrong with all of you????

    • Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 5:43:35 PM

      I can't believe I missed the end of your post ... so we're to vote for Hillary because raised her kid? Cause she budgeted the money at home? Because she multitasks (as if men don't)? LMAO ... you really are a trip. Since no one has bothered to fill you in, having the ability to run a household isn't a thing that will get you voted into the White House.

      Thanks for the great debate and proving my case as to why Hillary isn't qualified to be President.

    • Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 5:39:00 PM

      Wow it took a lot longer then I thought it would to read a response like yours. Poor women ... why are we picking on poor poor Hillary. Well mainly because she's done nothing but flip flop on most topics, or simply bothered to ignore the question all together.

      She also wants to lead this country toward socialism. A woman doesn't scare me, Hillary does simply because she's not even the best candidate in her own party.

      But thanks for not disappointing me, I knew I'd see someone posting something to the effect of women bashing! IT couldn't ismply be that she's just not fit to be President of this country, it has to be I'm afraid of smart and strong women, yea, that's it.

  • Posted By: Sarah701 @ 10/31/2007 5:26:56 PM

    First of all, MSNBC should be ashamed at having such a biased moderator host the debate! I found the entire exercise pathetic and desperate on Edwards' and Obama's part. I didn't hear them once spell out a plan of their own. Any time they were asked a quiestion, it was turned into an attack on Hillary. Not only that, but Tim Russert was very heavy-handed in his prodding of Hillary, but practically babied other candidates like Obama with questions like "Were you feelings hurt when Mitt Romney confused Obama for Osama?" Who cares??! That's not a relevant question. I think Hillary withstood the attacks very well, and I love how everyone says she evades the question. Show me a candidate who doesn't! All of them do. At least she has plans! She was literally the only one I saw actually talking about how she would deal with issues. Everyone else was just whining about her. I think it's pathetic and hypocritical, especially of Obama, Mr. "No Mudslinging in Politics!" Talk about flip-flopping when convenient!

    • Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 5:31:33 PM

      Sara ... she has one plan and that's to raise taxes to provide for Universal health care. That isn't a plan, that's a recipe for disaster. This country doesn't need more government it needs less government. I don't want to pay for your health care, or anyone elses.

      She has no experience in running anything. Living in the same house as her husband while HE was President isn't experience. What has she ever run? Nothing.

      Moreover, any candidate who supports anything giving illegal immigrants anything isn't worthy of being President of this country. She's done nothing but flip flop on almost every topic, it's amazing. Yet, the media loves their darling Hillary, what a joke.

    • Posted By: abrook8 @ 10/31/2007 5:30:13 PM

      Earth to Sarah Conner: the moderator is a staunch democrat! She did not give an answer to the questions: NEWSWEEK:Still, she continued her strategy of avoiding direct answers to questions: She wouldn't say how she would address Social Security; she declined to pledge whether she would stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, or say whether she supports giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

      Instead she tried to tried to turn every issue into an argument against President Bush. She said Bush's name 25 times, more than all six of her rivals combined.

  • Posted By: abrook8 @ 10/31/2007 5:14:19 PM

    Earth to Hillary: You are not running against GW!

  • Posted By: abrook8 @ 10/31/2007 5:05:30 PM

    adamskr: quote from newsweek:
    Still, she continued her strategy of avoiding direct answers to questions: She wouldn't say how she would address Social Security; she declined to pledge whether she would stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, or say whether she supports giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

    Instead she tried to tried to turn every issue into an argument against President Bush. She said Bush's name 25 times, more than all six of her rivals combined.

  • Posted By: abrook8 @ 10/31/2007 4:51:30 PM

    adamskr: the facts are self evident. I dare you to watch hannidy tonight. How can anyone write a story about a debate without actually quoting what the person said? well, this article in Newweek did just that! John edwards: "In the space of 2 minutes, you(Hillary) took two exactly opposite positions on one question." B Clinton did that all the time and got away with it. You should insist upon truthfullness and honesty when someone answers a question. And it was not GW who did not pass the amnesty bill-it was the DEM Congress! So Hillary, are you for or against drivers licences for illeagals? Hillary: BLAH BLAH BALH , and BLAH BLAH BLAH and blame Bush, and BLAH BLAH BLAH....and she never actually answers the question. She did that about 4 times last night. Yet if a Republican mispells "Potato" he is ridiculed on the front page? No media bias? PULEASE!

  • Posted By: Dammit @ 10/31/2007 4:49:09 PM

    Keep your videotape handy so you can refer to which of a dozen positions on an issue that Hillary is using today. Her position varies to suit the audience she is talking to. "Tell them what they want to hear" is her M.O.

  • Posted By: adamskr @ 10/31/2007 4:47:18 PM

    Oh, she is so different from other candidates how????

  • Posted By: Dammit @ 10/31/2007 4:44:45 PM

    Keep your videotape handy because you will need to refer to in orer to find out which of a dozen positions on an issue she s iusng today. He positonon any issue all depends on the audience she is talking to.

  • Posted By: BS Whacker @ 10/31/2007 2:54:41 PM

    Reading the poists here, I can't help but to think that folks are looking for some form of perfection. Or looking for Mr. Gore to ride in like the 7th Cavalry (Better late than never?). Anyway, Gore is where we need him. Meanwhile, I look for the guy (or gal) with whom my values harmonize the best. No one is point-by-point perfect, so we really need to look at where we are at as a nation and as citizens of this world. For what it's worth, the Democratic party has a long-standing tradition of standing up for all of us. It also has a long-standing tradition of being at the cutting edge of who we are as a nation. Joe Biden and Bill Richardson have deep and broad knowledge of foreign policy; each has shown that he is far more qualified for Secretary of State than Condi Rice, as has Coin Powell. Both of them have at least 25 years of expeience over Barack; at this point right now, that's what I'm looking for in a Secretary of State. As far as I am concerned, that leaves John Edwards and Hillary Clinton. Hillary is too cute by half for my taste - and for what it's worth, we do need to break away from thei entitled dynasty thing. I'm left with Edwards - and I do believe that his life and what he has learned from it makes him the best choice for our President, and the best successor to G. W. Bush. John has proabably the best strategic understaning of the major issues facing our nation, and has the mental flexibility and tenacity to make every day he's President better than the day before. For me, it comes down to "You gotta feel it!" That's Edwards ... and that's where Hillary comes up short, by a country mile.

    • Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 4:40:58 PM

      This election really is a simple one folks ... do you wish for capitalism or socialism. You want capitalism, you'll vote Republican .... socialism, Democrat. It doesn't get any easier then that.

      The Dems won't be happy till they're controlling everything in our lives.

  • Posted By: gladiatorstail @ 10/31/2007 4:39:30 PM

    The way I see it..

    Hillary and Joe Biden are by far the most qualified people to run. Obama is all around, least qualified, least articulate. He wants to attack pakistan and open a new front on "wart on terror"(not realizing that attacking pakistan=first nuclear war in the modern world). He showed his bigoted side partenering with Donnie. He will let others define him. Edwards was yesterdays hope. Today he is just another "frontrunner" and all he can do is attack others constantly. What are his views on immigration? what are his views on fixing social security? what are his credentials regarding foriegn policy? What experience does he bring?
    Biden IMO is most articulate among all the other candidates. However, putting both clintons resume and his resume side by side, I would choose HRC. She has taken heat and yet stood her ground despite slimy conspiracy by tim russert and chris mathews, both of who cant stand hillary.

    and please MSM, next time you call a debate, I hope it is a real debate, not some punch bag concert.. If I were clinton, I would rethink coming on MSNBC for next debate, hands down!

  • Posted By: abrook8 @ 10/31/2007 3:19:59 PM

    Sorry, media bias: What Hillary said was not even quoted in this article in Newsweek. What did she say to get attacked? Hillary was talking doublespeak and melted down horribly in this debate, yet Newsweek will not "Go there" in her answers about Iran and driver's licences for Illeagals. Newsweek=the Democratic party headquarter advertising machine.

    • Posted By: Paul H @ 10/31/2007 4:38:39 PM

      Most of the mainstream media is bias to the Libs ... nothing new.

      I loved watching the real Hillary Clinton come out last night. Anyone who supports giving illegal immigrants anything doesn't deserve to be President, it's that simple.

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