Pisa is famous for its leaning tower, but archeologists there are now uncovering an amazing fleet of ancient ships, some complete with crew and cargo.
Comment: I expect some of the terra cotta amphorae to contain spaghetti. After it was harvested from the fields in autumn, spaghetti was often loaded onto these ships for transport to market.
If we're lucky, we might even be able to figure out how they sauced it, back in the day!
Comment: So many more pirates by these discoveried ships, and that's so Italian style of like Soprano TV series; (soap drama in the eye of a storm legend or theme to that latest PIRATE story): its like the "waterworld; MOVIE too!
Comment: Thanks to the Directorate General of National Heritage Archaeological perform the tasks relating to the protection, preservation and enhancement of property in the territory, which sites, museums and archaeological parks, through the operation of the Superintendence of competent sector territorialmente.La Directorate General, moreover, promotes, develops and increases, even in international projects aimed at knowledge, documentation, use and enjoyment of property.
The Directorate General of verification tasks on the Italian Archaeological School in Athens (SAIA).
Stefano Rollero, artist, Turin.
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Comment: He is risen is true but unfortunately his words have been forgotten. Christians have turned to the Golden Calf of materialism and support war, corruption and torture. They are the supporting cast for "the Evil Empire". Compassion is no longer a Christian attribute. Without change in or objectives, policies and values, we create our own gloom and doom.
Comment: yes i am interested in learning from the past but always look forword to the future, i want to do that because if the past was so great that as a cluture we look to it for guidance in our futures than how much more can we look forword to in the future. however the way this is possible is to make sure we do not get bogged down in the present or the past we need a balence of freedom in each of the mind sets, so we can really expierance a healthy present and a more welcomed tomorrow
Comment: Being of Italian descent I always found Pompeii one of the most fascinating stories in history and perhaps one that arose the most curiosity in me than any other story ever told until now.I love it who would've thought there was so much more going on in this BEAUTIFUL country that anyone ever knew before. FASCINATING. Wonderful work. I love archeologists!!
Comment: Being of Italian descent I always found Pompeii one of the most fascinating stories in history and perhaps one that arose the most curiosity in me than any other story ever told until now.I love it who would've thought there was so much more going on in this BEAUTIFUL country that anyone ever knew before. FASCINATING. Wonderful work. I love archeologists!!
Comment: Being of Italian descent I always found Pompeii one of the most fascinating stories in history and perhaps one that arose the most curiosity in me than any other story ever told until now.I love it who would've thought there was so much more going on in this BEAUTIFUL country that anyone ever knew before. FASCINATING. Wonderful work. I love archeologists!!
Comment: This is really interesting, it is awesome that we can glean so much from the past. One day perhaps there no longer will be any mystery and the evolution of our kind, and our society will be an open book to us. One can only hope that this will be a valuable asset.
Comment: i agree but not only to cope with the problems but to raise above them and not be bogged down by this "Gloom and Doom" so we can see ahead of this fake reality of fear that has been trying and succeeding to controle our culture
Comment: I am not interested in Gloom and Doom; I am interested in learning from the past and correcting our direction accordingly. We have to perceive reality realistically and bring about the right solution for the situation. Otherwise, gloom and doom is our fate. We are being saturated with gloom and doom to prepare us for the worst instead of making the necessary changes to cope with the problems.
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Comment: wow dude thats really weird
Comment: wow dude thats really weird!
Comment: Good dog until the end.
Comment: Good dog until the end.
Comment: I'm not sure about all the doom in the member comments about looking backward. The find of ships still significantly intact, with their cargo or skeletal remains of such, is entirely exciting. Physical confirmation of our forebearers gives us a fantastic link to the past, but also to who we are today. Did the doom-and-gloom crowd, who doesnt want to look back and learn, miss the lack of evidence for war? These weren't war ships, nor did they carry soldiers or weaponry to destroy their neighbors. The ancestors were traders; the nations were interdependent on each other for supplies, both basic and luxury. Maybe those folks gave us their future (our today) because they were smart enough to not destroy each other. Maybe cooperation and negotiation was a value they held dear.
Comment: We as humans have done great things, that need not be forgotten. These things need to serve as inspiration to us all to better ourselves in our future. But we as humans have also done terible things that must also be remembered, in order to prevent them from happening again. One can not move forward with ones future, in less one knows and understands there past.
Comment: There are so many things that can be learned from history, but unfortunately we never learned. So may be it is better to stop digging and spend the money on the betterment of our future.
Comment: It is strange that people are very interested in the past these days and not interested in the future. It reminds me of an extinct tribe of Indians who rode on their horses seated facing backwards because they were more interested in where they had been than where they where going. The present is a mess and we are headed for a disaster in the future if we do not change our values, priorities and direction. We are headed for world war three which will kill most of humanity and put us back in the dark ages. We need to start planning for the future while we still have that possibility.
Comment: The problem that many Italians encounter in situations like this may not be lack of funding, but archaeological fatigue. Hugh areas of the country could be nothing but hugh archaeological digs,and the Italians are charged with trying to run a modern society when anytime you try to expand a plant, build a road, modernize a rail line, even dig a basement, you could be shut down indefinitely due to a major archaeological find.
Comment: What a fascinating discovery. Reading the article i'm surprised the area wasn't discovered earlier than it was. I hope I can visit and see the area one day to see these things. it's really cool to see how others lived thier lives before us. I'm glad the lion didn't make it to rome though. The gladiator fighting was a terrible thing. It blows my mind that so many people were into watching something so terrible.
Comment: Like watching football players bash each others heads in isn't so bad by comparison?
Comment: This is a truly amazing find for so many reasons. Stories like these should get more attention than they currently receive. The media should be more deeply involved; providing photos, film clips, and information about the dig as they become available. It is the only way to make the public more aware of not only the findings themselves but also their importance and historical significance. I personally find it a shame the we can find countless billions of dollars for fruitless ventures in the middle east while projects like these face the possibility of never being completed due to insufficient financial support. Truly a shame indeed.
Comment: Fascinating discovery, fascinating series of comments. What a wild cross section of life both in the mud and in the comments. The challenge with both is separating the mud from the items of real interest and substance. And there is sooooo much stinking mud!
Comment: This is an amazing, astounding discovery that deserves widespread recognition and support to allow proper excavation and preservation. We need to work together to find a way to share the objects and information that will be revealed as work progresses.
I believe someone commented earlier that our past can help guide our future. How true! A find of this magnitude, containing so many diverse cultures over a nearly 1,000 year span is an archeologists' dream. To ask the public to contribute a small fee to assist the recovery as they share in this valuable find is hardly unreasonable. How else do you think it will be paid for?
If you have any imagination or curiosity at all, these 39 ships, their crew and cargo can provide years of fascinating study. I can't wait for the stories and the pictures of this discovery to be published and for the museum they deserve to be built. I'll take my family there any day!
(To answer the question regarding respecting the dead: we respect those who have gone before us by learning from what they experienced and opening our minds to what their lives have to teach us. Leaving them buried in the mud and paving over them hardly seems respectful.)
Comment: Great news about this find! Its so important to know about the past, even better to have in hand these documented items's. Mother Earth has given us a precious gift. The exact Time piece's of mankind travel's of the moment of utmost historical value. My hope is they will continue with the dig and raise funds to preserve those fragile materials. The struggle is educating the people to convince them of the needed support.
Keep up the good work!!!
Comment: Great news about this find! Its so important to know about the past, even better to have in hand these documented items's. Mother Earth has given us a precious gift. The exact Time piece's of mankind travel's of the moment of utmost historical value. My hope is they will continue with the dig and raise funds to preserve those fragile materials. The struggle is educating the people to convince them of the needed support.
Keep up the good work!!!
Comment: Complimento to all those involved in the proyect. As a Historian and History teacher at Universidad de Lima in Per??, I am specially interested in Economic History, a field that is enriched with the Pisa discoveries. Being Rome's economic and trade history one of my favorite subjects of research I would like to get any extra information regarding the details of the discoveries.
Eduardo Dargent
Comment: I truly find it amazing that people from all over the world can discuss this archaeological discovery in real time. I am not a grammar nut, obviously from my last post, my only pet peeve is when journalists and experts do not spell archaeology/archaeologists correctly. Thank you for letting us know about the devestating floods on the arno river. I will have to examine the geography of Italy more carefully before I begin my unit on Rome with my students. We always talk about the benefits of geography, not always realizing the devestating affects climate and weather can have on a region. I just learned that a severe drought in Tennessee has caused a town to shut off water, except for 3 hours a day. We don't pay much concern to the ramifications until it hits home.
Comment: Discovering things from the past is so fascinating. What wouldn't I give to see or discover something like that. It's amazing.
Comment: what a amazing find!
why are you people dicussing completly irrelevant topics on a artical like this. its archeology, not polotics this artical is talking about.
Comment: I was born near Pisa and I am very happy to read about these ships. Probably they were destroyed not only by Tsunami but even by the frequent devastasting floods of the Arno river (thirty years ago there was a big one that inundated Florence and partially Pisa). Sincerely I hope that can be found a ship from the first Etruscan times, that can give us a precise indication about the origin of the Etruscans.Brunodam
Comment: what a amazing find!
why are people even dicussing irrelivant topics on a artical like this? are you honestly picking a internet fight? or debate? this is crazy!
Comment: the recent discovery is a clear indication that the world of history is beginning to generate much interest in todays society. Archeological discoveries in modern day society indicates that the concept of history is no longer an obscure term confined to the past. it is very much alive!
Comment: I am from from a city near Pisa. The ships probably were buried by one of the frequent floods of the Arno river (thirty years ago Florence and Pisa were inundated by one, even if now there are many modern technical protections). Of course, even the possibility of some Tsunami must be taken in consideration. In my personal opinion different ships in different years were destroyed by "both" the natural disasters. Brunodam
Comment: This is a great discovery. I hope they can recover it.
Some people here are saying religion and goverment shouldn't mix. Doesn't your constitution, the Constitution of the US say and I quote "One nation under God". I think if you don't like it you should move to another country where they are free of religion, if you find one.
Comment: No, the US Constitution does not say "One nation under God". Actually the constitution intentionally separates church and state. we are NOT a church or religious state. Read your history before making comments like that. This is why there is so much fighting between freethinkers and the religious right... lack of education or doing your homework.
Comment: As a social studies teacher for 6th graders, I am shocked that adults can not discuss an archaeological find that rivals Egyptian mummies found in recent years. This gives us great insight into our past in which our children can learn something from. I can't wait to tell my students about this discovery, but would hate to show them the posting that are so irrelevant to this amazing find. Instead of discussing the conncections the ancient Etruscans and Romand had with so many other civilizations and the technology of their boats, you guys are talking about Religion and Evolution vs. creationism. We can learn so much from the array of boats discovered from so many time periods. It is a time line of events unfolding before our eyes. Please stick with the subject. My students and I find archaeology a key to understanding the past and our future. Please do not dissappoint them. :)
Comment: Not for nothing but.........Heaven help that anyone would wish to learn something new.It is near painful to persuade anyone to pick up a book and read it.Dig on I say,dig on.They can leave for work a little earlier or call a taxi.
Comment: Amen, Smole. There is definitely some backlash action going on here. It seems that all the atheists have grown up and are preparing for their own inquisition. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Now let's talk boats, people!
Comment: I think it's a great that apart of the Italy lost history was found. Uncovering the treasures from the past can help; uncover the mysteries of the future. Now, how the crew members perish will tell more about the geography and what can come from the area.
There are many concerns with closing the station, global warming and is history lying about the Romans having trade ships. These are all great factors and the government has its responsibility to assure the public and release facts about global warming affects, redirecting traffic and the history uncovered.
I believe research should have been done on the area before the station was built. The government knew the waterway system was there. With the proper research time and jobs could have been spared.
The main concern is with the removal of the excess water. That can not be a good thing. If there is water still there, the earth as preserved it for a reason. What is the reason? One reason may have to do with global warming. Maybe the area will once again become full of water for the usage of the people. But, to remove the water that may cause excessive damage to the earth causing earth quake???s that can become Tsunami???s affecting the world and even more truth from the bible, the world will end with fire from and volcano explosion.
Now, to the facts about history trading has been going on since civilization/kingdom???s has been established and civilization was established before Christ. Many people think of the Roman???s as just warriors trying to conquer the world. But, before Kings wanted to be Warrior Lords, life was about peace and respect for the fellow, which is a Common Law adopted by the world. Each kingdom should the other respect with trading, to have peace. First, they did across land by feet and then cattle and then by boats. Using the canals as passage the boat/ship where use for good until the King became Warrior Lords.
I hope this passage help many and their answers.
Comment: I think it's a great that apart of the Italy lost history was found. Uncovering the treasures from the past can help; uncover the mysteries of the future. Now, how the crew members perish will tell more about the geography and what can come from the area.
There are many concerns with closing the station, global warming and is history lying about the Romans having trade ships. These are all great factors and the government has its responsibility to assure the public and release facts about global warming affects, redirecting traffic and the history uncovered.
I believe research should have been done on the area before the station was built. The government knew the waterway system was there. With the proper research time and jobs could have been spared.
The main concern is with the removal of the excess water. That can not be a good thing. If there is water still there, the earth as preserved it for a reason. What is the reason? One reason may have to do with global warming. Maybe the area will once again become full of water for the usage of the people. But, to remove the water that may cause excessive damage to the earth causing earth quake???s that can become Tsunami???s affecting the world and even more truth from the bible, the world will end with fire from and volcano explosion.
Now, to the facts about history trading has been going on since civilization/kingdom???s has been established and civilization was established before Christ. Many people think of the Roman???s as just warriors trying to conquer the world. But, before Kings wanted to be Warrior Lords, life was about peace and respect for the fellow, which is a Common Law adopted by the world. Each kingdom should the other respect with trading, to have peace. First, they did across land by feet and then cattle and then by boats. Using the canals as passage the boat/ship where use for good until the King became Warrior Lords.
I hope this passage help many with their comments and questions.
Comment: I think it's a great that apart of the Italy lost history was found. Uncovering the treasures from the past can help; uncover the mysteries of the future. Now, how the crew members perish will tell more about the geography and what can come from the area.
There are many concerns with closing the station, global warming and is history lying about the Romans having trade ships. These are all great factors and the government has its responsibility to assure the public and release facts about global warming affects, redirecting traffic and the history uncovered.
I believe research should have been done on the area before the station was built. The government knew the waterway system was there. With the proper research time and jobs could have been spared.
The main concern is with the removal of the excess water. That can not be a good thing. If there is water still there, the earth as preserved it for a reason. What is the reason? One reason may have to do with global warming. Maybe the area will once again become full of water for the usage of the people. But, to remove the water that may cause excessive damage to the earth causing earth quake???s that can become Tsunami???s affecting the world and even more truth from the bible, the world will end with fire from and volcano explosion.
Now, to the facts about history trading has been going on since civilization/kingdom???s has been established and civilization was established before Christ. Many people think of the Roman???s as just warriors trying to conquer the world. But, before Kings wanted to be Warrior Lords, life was about peace and respect for the fellow, which is a Common Law adopted by the world. Each kingdom should the other respect with trading, to have peace. First, they did across land by feet and then cattle and then by boats. Using the canals as passage the boat/ship where use for good until the King became Warrior Lords.
I hope this passage help many and their answers.
Comment: Heaven help that anyone would ever want to learn something..........It's hard enough to persuade people to pick up a book.Dig on my friends.Ted Davis.Dundalk,Md.
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Perhaps this is what you meant? Did they find any boats on Mars?
Comment: What's logical and rational about the Evolutionism that we stuff down our kids throat? Still waiting to see the evidence. Still waiting for someone to let the kids think about it for themselves instead of forcing them to accept it mindlessly. Personally, I have no respect for hypocrites.
I like the boat story. Hope they find more interesting things there.
Comment: Complimenti to all those working in this proyect. Ships tell us very much about economic history in general and comerce in particular. As a historian and history teacher al Universidad de Lima (Per??), and being Roman Economic history one of my favorite subjects, I would appreeciate If someone could give me clues to read more about the advances in this proyect.
Eduardo Dargent-Chamot
Lima, Peru.
dargenteduardo@hotmail.com
Comment: Global warming has occurred in the past, temperatures have flunctuated for thousands, actually millions of years. This is due in large part to volcanic activity and possibly large meteors hitting the earth. We know that temperatures have changed drastically by reading history recorded by different civilizations at the same time. We can date these records with significant natural events like volcanic eruptions. Unfortunately, we humans have populated the earth so quickly, earth can not keep up with us. We may not destroy out earth any time soon, but why not try to fix the problems we have such as polluted rivers and limiting emmisions. Not only will this help with so called Global warming, but wouldn't it be better for our health. For our own selfish reasons, we should do more.
Comment: Ariological? Enlighten me, Kavro.
Comment: So one of you is a Moron and the other an idiot.. just point and show which so we don't have to hear any more drivel please.
Now that that is out of the way.. yes, it is an amazing ariological find that will be examined from both physical and socialogical sides.
Comment: How is it that you profess to know anything about religion? No one has ever forced me to believe anything, yet here you are incessantly slamming other people's faiths! Keep it up and you'll most assuredly find that "imaginary place" called hell.
Comment: As for the ships, I've seen the transit system, and they really need an overhaul anyway. They were breaking ground for the rail when they discovered this. It may take some time to excavate and create hassel traveling, but it's time to make a judgement call. If the find is important to history, people are just going to have to buck-up and wait until it's completely excavated in an area and removed, before building the rail through. Or you're going to have to divert the rail. both will be costly and time consuming. You'll just have to wait. Otherwise, continue the dig around the area and deem what's under the rail a loss. Yes, it's unfortunate, but if the priority for city survival and people to thrive is more important, it's just going to have to be an acceptible loss. Many more things have been lost by circumstance because people unknowingly destroyed it. It's happened for centuries, and it won't stop. Feel bad for the loss and move on. They already accidentally bisected a boat.
Comment: Hey people. This is an article about sunken ships from Tsunamis. I don't want to hear about how Global Warming affected these people who lived in the 5th century BC. Global Warming has nothing to do with peace, unless a tree can vote. Gore's political so it makes sense to give him the peace prize, even when he hasn't averted the current war. Good job at buying a prestigious award. You're forced to share it anyway, and I don't really care.
Comment: Wow!!! I'm always intrigued by this kind of archeological findings!
Comment: This is a great find, and a significant piece of history. What does global warming heve to do with this? By the way, I remember when I was a kid up here in Wisconsin that we always had waist and even chest deep snow; we hardly get more than a foot or two now.
Comment: This is a great discovery of historical signifigence! What does it have to do with global warming? I know that the earth is getting warmer because when I was a kid the snow used to get chest high and now we only get a couple of feet.
Comment: JDelaware324, it's sad that you aren't able to see the difference between science and religion. In science we study, measure, investigate, and otherwise look at facts and then we think about the results of our studies in a logical and rational manner. In religion you are told not to investigate or question but to merely listen and regurgitate what the wacko religious nuts tell you to think. Any questioning or examination of what you are told is being unfaithful and this will result in your punishment in hell or someother bad secret imaginary place that noone can ever see or hear or find any evidence of.
Comment: This is a great find, and a significant piece of history. What does global warming heve to do with this? By the way, I remember when I was a kid up here in Wisconsin that we always had waist and even chest deep snow; we hardly get more than a foot or two now.
Comment: BTW, I never said the boats were invisible, I said we couldn't see them.
Comment: "...frickin' moronic idiot." If you were as smart as I was, you would know that its impossible to be both a moron and an idiot, as the two are completely different classifications of intelligence. Rant on, ignoramus.
Comment: Why, so I can be eternally ignorantly blissful? Yeah, I'm a moron. Don't jump to conclusions.
Comment: To find answers to questions science CANNOT answer, one must expand the boundaries of said framework.
Comment: Grow up? Ok. So what do you think we should do about it? Teach me.
Comment: ephorus, you're about as intelligent as your wacko religious friends and relatives. You mistake logical thought with snappy lines such as the one you used, "if you never allow yourself to have faith in something you can't see, then you'll never see anything worthy of having faith in", wow, very intelligent and proves absolutely zilch. It's idiotic lines like that one that your wacko leaders use when preaching to the choir, the choir inevitably yells, "yeah, that's true", in unison. By the way which negativity is it that you are claiming is being, "rammed down the throats", of you and your religious nut associates? Is it global warming that you're referring to? If so I guess you'd prefer your scientists not inform you about things that are negative??? I guess you'd rather have the scientific community only publish information that is cheery and makes us all happy?
The sad thing about ignorant people like you is that you take something like a wonderful scientific discovery in Italy and say something stupid about it like, "Speaking of boats that no one could see....", which of the boats were invisible you fricking moronic idiot? They weren't invisible they were merely out of sight. Even a person as dimwitted as yourself can surely see the difference.
Finally, it is the religious wacko whose mind is closed. Closed and locked tight. This person is unable to look at facts and think about them in a logical and rational way. He or she can look at a question like how much does two plus two equal and answer, "I believe it equals 5". When a person attempts to show them that it actually equals four they inevitable answer, "I believe it equals five." They are incapable of examining their beliefs in an intelligent and rational manner and should be kept as far from government and leadership positions as possble.
Comment: "Why must there be only one way to think, instead of many?"
Thank you, J-Del!
Comment: >>"Why must there be only one way to think, instead of many,,,, "
The point is, if one advocates Creationism, one is not thinking. Science does not tell one how to think, it merely provides a deductive, investigative, and logical framework for thought. Creationists, by battling science, are engaging in a war on thought itself.
Comment: Josh: Do you mean the example you are setting by hurling insults at people It is jerks like you who give message boards a bad name ....Grow up fool.
Comment: Oh NO ,Not the dreaded Manbearpig...Allah help us now that it has resurfaced...all hope is lost!!!
Comment: Wow vinciespop, that is so mature of you to think like that. You sound like a 5 year old saying why should we do it when they don't do it. So what if they don't do it. Set an example.
Comment: hello?
Comment: Erowin. It's not just closing down the trains. you have to think about the people who will lose wages if that happens, who is going to pay their bills?. Not to mention that people rely on those trains for daily transportation. How would you like it if they shut down the streets for months, maybe years at a time, so they could dig something up... you wouldn't be able to go very far... your life would be disrupted. So yes, it is JUST as important. and the key is finding a balance... Its not just one or the other. It's to find a way to do both w/ the least amount of inconvienence for both parties.
Comment: Wow, that's a great thought. So what should we do vinciespop? Just keep polluting and f***ing the Planet because nother countries don't want to do anything. That is so mature.
Comment: Thats not a man and his dog its ......something much more dangerous. The evil i speak of is "ManBearPig"
Comment: thats not a man and his dog its manbearpig.
Comment: Posted By: Lee @ 11/01/2007 2:22 PM
Comment: In the eastern area of the Mediterranian where these ships were found several devistating volcanic eruptions occured, one so huge on a island just south of Greece the explosion was seen in Egypt. So I suppose there were several Tsunami's reach Pisa, to match the periods when volcanos about the Mediterranian erupted. But there is certain to be a lot of civilization buried under the mud in 2012, to dig up later, after another Ice Age. But preserving the relics from the ancient world should mean bunkering them in for a Super Volcanic disaster, so they may survive global warming, for the next time the Earth blows its top.
Comment: Also Science, although it is extremely useful, has it's drawbacks too, it has it's unanswered questions the same as religion. And you know, wanting to teach two types of creation, there is nothing wrong about that...I learned about both, and definitely don't consider myself a "religious wacko"... Why must there be only one way to think, instead of many,,,,
Comment: Im only 14, but a huge Archeology fan. It's sad they can'tr do whatever it takes to get the boats out.... People just don't respect archeology much, closing the trains for a week or so is not as important as these ancient treasures.
Comment: How ironic that the "logical" are ramming negativity down the throats of "wackos." Shouldn't your superior intellect tell you not to waste your time on the proletariat? (Don't bother stopping to look that up.)
If your mind was as open as your mouth is, you probably wouldn't be "constantly angered and disappointed."
BTW, if you never allow yourself to have faith in something you can't see, then you'll never see anything worthy of having faith in. Speaking of boats that no one could see....
Comment: Liked the article on the find I hope they can use good judgement in discerning what is benificial to dig up and what is better left alone. Not everything has to be dug up to give us what we need.
Comment: Boticelli: What about China ,Russia ,India They contribute to GW way more than 10% Those guys aren;t exactly leading the way to a cleaner better planet .No matter what we do selfish short sighted goverments like theirs will undermine our best efforts...Chernobyl is just a small example of the apathy that these countries exhibit. I would love to be optimistic about our future but I cannot help but be realistic!!!
Comment: DDelmar: What makes you such a better person than those "religious wackos" when you are here verbally accosting those who have strong beliefs in something? Exactly what is so "wrong" about that??
Comment: The floods at Pisa were most likely NOT events that came from the sea, storms, tsunamis. These infrequent events came from the land, farther up the valley. Whether extreme spring melt events, extreme rain farther up the valley or in the mountains. The evidence points to the burials, the water laden silty soils, the miles long remove of the seashore, all caused by riverene events. Dean
Comment: Loved the article, it is so nice to have a story of our past to take us away from the reality of the middle classes demise in the hands of George. We are as crushed as the man and his dog under our government.. What will historians have to say about our destruction of the earth and the heart of America.
Thank you, bonita
Comment: boticelli your ingorance is showing again. You need to go back and research Al Gores statements about the effects of Global warming which included fines for cooking outside and smoking and driving vehicles that give emmissions that pollute. Enough said.
Comment: The floods that you speak of more likely were the torrents of water and debris coming down the valley TOWARDS the sea. Those same repeated floods and sources of silt are what filled in the ancient harbor , formed the water, sand, and silt laden soils, and moved the seashore so far away. Whether these infrequent catastrophes were sudden spring melts, or monstrous rain events, look to the recent history for indicators.
Dean Unick
Comment: Once again I am astounded at the level of ignorance we now have in our country. The evidence that the world is undergoing climate change is irrefutable. The glaciers are melting, both poles are melting. It isn't a matter of belief. It's a matter of measurable fact and the measurements are in. The only matter which can even be debated is the extent to which humans are responsible for the warming. Prevaling scientific opinion is that man made emission of greenhouse gasses is indeed responsible at least in part for the climate change. How on Earth did the greatest country in the world come to be led by a religious wacko who won't or can't understand that science unlike crazy religion ins't something that's to be "believed" or not, science is based on hard facts interpreted by the smartest best educated people on the planet. It is just so sad and frightening that half the country picked a leader who thinks an imaginary invisible man with super magic powers should influence governmental policy decisions. It just makes me sick to my stomache
Comment: I???M ALARMED AT HOW IGNORANT THE POULATION HAS BECOME. Its not just on one subject its like all subjects are all answered by a bunch of idiots saying who cares, shut up, blah blah blah. You know what your right we all die, but our children and our children???s children inherit our mistakes why punish them you selfish assholes!!! Truth is we need trees amongst other things to survive you *** idiots so stop cutting them down!!! It???s a start, how about that, try giving a *** about something other then yourselves for once???..
Comment: Pyramids in Bosnia??? What?? How did they go undiscovered? I have to look into that one.....
Comment: one more interestin thing is that in Bosnia they discover piramids much more bigger than in egypt in near futur this will becam big tourist place and history will change forever
Comment: Posted by Issi @11/01/2007 What a pleasant surprise! It's always most interesting when we run across our history in the most unexpected places and ways. I know it will be a major disturbance and cost to tear up those tracks but I hope they find a way. Preserving as much as possible will be benefical to generations to come, so much to learn. I hope they can eventually put together something on film that can travel reaching just as many people as possible.
Comment: The 9.00 euros may be a lot of money, but please consider why they're collecting it. It's a very underfunded operation. Hopefully the money collected will go to build the museum they're talking about.
Comment: one more interestin thing is that in Bosnia they discover piramids much more bigger than in egypt in near futur this will becam big tourist place and history will change forever
Comment: 3rd world countries aren't even contributing to global warming considering that about 90% of the population cannot afford a car. We are obligated to fix this because of our power in the world.
Comment: Al gore is a polititian. Loosely translated, it means that they'll say what it takes to accomplish their objective. The state of the world has nothing to do with his reports.
Comment: I would love to see the museum but if they are charging $9.00 just to look at the site, that is just too much for me.
Comment: um, actually cigarettes and barbeques are not contributing to global warming.
Comment: No matter what America does about GW do you really think that all these 3rd world countries who can't even feed their people will ever do anything to help the enviroment? let me answer that question...Hell no they won't.This planet is doomed and the human race is going to get everything the deserve....much pain and suffering!!!
Comment: It is a wonderful thing to discover our past. My hat is off to those who explore.
Comment: I would love to see this museum once it gets up and running, but I think it is unfair to charge the public an exorbitant rate to enter. I mean they are already charging $9.00 just to look down on the site?? That is too much.
Comment: Al Gore is an idiot and if you believe him why are you still driving,smoking,cooking outside etc. Before you open your mouth and show your ignorance ask Al Gore why he still does.
Comment: vinciespop, thank you very much. It's about time someone notices what we're talking about.
Comment: Why do people keep hating on Al Gore? He won the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE. He is making a difference by alerting people to what's happening to our planet. I don't understand how you all are actually arguing that we should keep dumping our nonbiodegradable trash in the oceans and keep destroying the rainforest. Think about it: what is the main bypoduct of photosynthesis? OXYGEN. What do we need to breathe in to live? OXYGEN. We NEED trees.
Comment: boticelli, would you give it a rest, already!!! All this talk about GW and I'd bet you aint doing a darn thing about it, are you? Though I think this is all overhyped, I, for one am. I've always believed in shutting my mouth and openning my hands. Maybe you aught to try it sometime. Beside, this is about the great work of some great scientists.
Comment: The best way to preserve it is to pave over it ,then someday hundreds of years from now someone else can dicover it and deal with the financial aspect of it. The article clrearly states that there is no fundage for it right now.In the future when radical Islamic fundamentalists rule the world I am sure they would make a major find like this one of their top priorities!!!
Comment: I am repeatedly amazed and disappointed at how incredibly ignorant such a large portion of our population is. There is and has been for some times now irrefutable proof that the worlds average temperatures are rising and that as a result of this glaciers and other things like extended droughts are occurring more often that they previsouly had. Anyone who does not, "believe" this is happenning is simply incapable of intelligently examining the known facts. The only thing that is in doubt about global warming is the extent to which humans are to blame. It is my belief that governments should take immediate action to greatly reduce the amount of greenhouse gases their countries produce. Arizona Crown you are the exact type of ignorant religious idiot that is responsible for electing people like Bush. You are incapable of examining information in an intelligent, rational, logical manner. It is so very sad and frightening to realize that large portions of our country are populated by people very simialr to you. Your type are the morons who actually managed to force the Kansas City School District (only temporarily thank goodness) to teach "intelligent design" alongside evolution in biology. Thank goodness the science teachers stood up to the religious wackos. The incredibly dangerous thing about having a religious wacko for president is that he has enacted government policies as a direct result of his belief in an invisible man with magic powers that nobody can see or hear. I am just constantly angered and disapointed that in the year 2007 the greatest country in the world has elected a leader who is a religious wacko. An example of how crazy the situation is comes from his first presidential debate when he was running against Al Gore. He was asked who the most important person in his life was and he answered Jesus Christ. The President of the United States feels that the most important person in the world to him is a person intelligent people know to be imaginary. It's an invisible, unhearable man, that all the evidence shows doesn't exist, who has magical super powers. I mean why not say that superman is your most important man? It's just so sad. When did we fall so far behind Western Europe in terms of having a country that separated religion from goverment?
Comment: man... I feel sorry for you.
Comment: And what does global warming even have to do with this story? I only made that comment before because someone else brought it up. I'm just saying that people should do some research about it before they post self righteous crap about the climate crisis not existing. Look at the annual hurricane records from the past hundred years and then tell me that nothing is going on.
Comment: Amazing find! I hope everything can be preserved. Also, global warming does exist according to Earth's cycles, but people are so dumb to give credit to Al Gore, because humans are not the only contributors to every global warming thing.
Comment: you people have nothing to do huh. just write some crap on here.. you think youre going to change anything. al gore, global warming. big friggin deal. why do you waste your time reading and writing to this crap
Comment: Saying that global warming is not a problem is like saying that pollution is not a problem. Yes, there has been natural heating and cooling of the earth throughout time. But during the last period of heating, there was no civilization, humans weren't cutting down massive amounts of forest, creating huge landfills, driving cars and releasing tons of carbon into the atmosphere every day, or throwing the entirity of Earth's ecosystem out of whack by causing hundreds of species to go extinct. Just because global warming may not have a huge effect while you're still alive, you have no right to dismiss solid evidence and continue your selfish and irresponsible practice of hurting the planet. You are a dumb fool for being so ignorant.
Comment: ohhh another planet freak.. who gives a *** man.. youre gonna die no matter what. who gives a *** about cutting down trees and pollution and so forth. what, you're gonna live in a cave, in the rainforest, not using electricity or driving a car. drinking water from the river, eating wild animals.. so you can save the planet. you buy toys man. cars and trucks and boats and whatever else you can in your lifetime. enjoy life while you can.
Comment: Archeology has nothing to do with Al Gore, tsunami and/or natural disaster have always happened with or without melting poles. Though, Al Gore is right.
Comment: just some old crap, thats all. who cares.
Comment: Wettapper! Breath, man!!! Why even grace it with a response? The site is great, isn't it?
Comment: Can't we all just get along.Great FIND!!!!!!!!!!
Comment: Global Warming has nothing to do with the article. Some people have just gotten up on a soap-box. Pisa will definitely have more tourists now!! Wow!
Comment: Can we just all get along.
Comment: Just a note to BillMarble: Not to rip what you said but Al Gore isnt the VP. Maybe if you put POS in its place?.... :0)
Comment: I don't know how a question/comment about global warming ended up on a site about archeological digs in Pisa, but you asked, so here I go. It is impossible to talk about gw without bringing in politics because it is a totally political fabrication with as much validation as the trickle down theory. First, a history lesson. As maggie Thatcher was taking office in the late 70's (don't hold me to the datyes, but the rest is factual) Britain was in the midst of a coal miner and oil worker strike. In an attempt to discredit the unions involved and break the strike, she formed a group to find ways to discredit the coal and oil industry. Well, what they came up with was anthropogenic (ie man-made) gw. Well, the strike ended without the whole gw thing taking off and was forgotten about (because in didn't exist) until the "Iron Curtain" came down in the early 90's. When the curtain came down and the Soviet Union pretty much dissolved, communism didn't go away. It found itself an accepting friend in the environmental movement. This is where large corporations (ie those that can only exist in a free market economy like in the United States) are over fishing, over building and overpolluting everything and the only answer is big government regulation of these businesses to keep them from doing all these things. Hopefully, in the end the business will be regulated out of existance or the government will virtually control every aspect of the business, in the process, making it weaker and less able to turn a profit. Well, enter gw. Essp. man-made gw. Now, the governments of the world, essp. those of modern industrialized nations, may some day be required to regulate just about everything that can be linked to gw. And what might that be? Well, the most popular view is that an increase in atmospheric CO2 causes an increase in the green house effect, which in turn causes an increase in temperature. Well, what creates CO2? Just about every living thing. Taking this train of thought to its end point, then the government will have to tax your breathing in order to get you to do it less. A couple of other quick points. Consensus does not make science. A few years back, it was the consensus of leading scientists that the Earth was flat and the Sun orbited the Earth. When a Lemming sees another thousand Lemmings running somewhere, it has a tendancy to join the "consensus" as well. The night before Al Gore recently received his Nobel Peace Prize, an English court came to the consensus that prior to showing his unfortunate movie in a classroom, they must state that some of its contents are factually inaccurate, like 10 of his 11 major points.
Comment: 11.1.07
Wettapper,
Powerful and right on. Thank you for your opinion and statement. Very nice.
WPWinner
Comment: I don't know how a question/comment about global warming ended up on a site about archeological digs in Pisa, but you asked, so here I go. It is impossible to talk about gw without bringing in politics because it is a totally political fabrication with as much validation as the trickle down theory. First, a history lesson. As maggie Thatcher was taking office in the late 70's (don't hold me to the datyes, but the rest is factual) Britain was in the midst of a coal miner and oil worker strike. In an attempt to discredit the unions involved and break the strike, she formed a group to find ways to discredit the coal and oil industry. Well, what they came up with was anthropogenic (ie man-made) gw. Well, the strike ended without the whole gw thing taking off and was forgotten about (because in didn't exist) until the "Iron Curtain" came down in the early 90's. When the curtain came down and the Soviet Union pretty much dissolved, communism didn't go away. It found itself an accepting friend in the environmental movement. This is where large corporations (ie those that can only exist in a free market economy like in the United States) are over fishing, over building and overpolluting everything and the only answer is big government regulation of these businesses to keep them from doing all these things. Hopefully, in the end the business will be regulated out of existance or the government will virtually control every aspect of the business, in the process, making it weaker and less able to turn a profit. Well, enter gw. Essp. man-made gw. Now, the governments of the world, essp. those of modern industrialized nations, may some day be required to regulate just about everything that can be linked to gw. And what might that be? Well, the most popular view is that an increase in atmospheric CO2 causes an increase in the green house effect, which in turn causes an increase in temperature. Well, what creates CO2? Just about every living thing. Ta
