‘What She Can’t Do Is Have It Both Ways’

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  • Posted By: macmillanthurman @ 11/05/2007 10:54:12 AM

    I believe that those horrified by "negative comments" are being disingenuous. This includes the posters here. They are clearly Clinton advocates. The real reason why Clinton can avoid negative comments is because she is far in the lead. Candidate Bush was the same way. When he had a substantial lead in the polls, he was all happiness. When he was challenged by McCain after New Hampshire, the knives came out. Clinton, with an experienced political team, is merely using conventional wisdom. Under such logic by those who are horrified by "negative comments", they would have supported Candidate Bush for his positive campaigning in good times (i.e., being up int the polls).

  • Posted By: terry schaefer @ 11/05/2007 10:45:15 AM

    The longer the campaign, the longer the length of Hillary's nose. Fortunately, we have one year to analyze the true character of each candidate. Please ask each candidate to clarify their top ten objectives for the first 100 days in office and how those objectives would be funded.

  • Posted By: terry schaefer @ 11/05/2007 10:37:21 AM

    The longer the campaign, the longer Hillary's nose. Fortunately, we have a year to expose the true character of all candidates.

  • Posted By: centauri @ 11/05/2007 10:27:52 AM

    Howard You and your ilk (matthews, Russert) are not to be trusted. I still remeber the way you guys bashed Al Gore and gave us Mr Sunshine our present president. Four years ago you had no problem with the swift boat guys bashing Kerry you were more interested in bashing Dan Rather. I would trust the used car sales man more than you guys. The only reason you are promoting Obama and beating up on Hilary is to get your boy Guiliani get elected.

  • Posted By: centauri @ 11/05/2007 10:27:19 AM

    Howard You and your ilk (matthews, Russert) are not to be trusted. I still remeber the way you guys bashed Al Gore and gave us Mr Sunshine our present president. Four years ago you had no problem with the swift boat guys bashing Kerry you were more interested in bashing Dan Rather. I would trust the used car sales man more than you guys. The only reason you are promoting Obama and beating up on Hilary is to get your boy Guiliani get elected.

  • Posted By: centauri @ 11/05/2007 10:25:24 AM

    Howard You and your ilk (matthews, Russert) are not to be trusted. I still remeber the way you guys bashed Al Gore and gave us Mr Sunshine our present president. Four years ago you had no problem with the swift boat guys bashing Kerry you were more interested in bashing Dan Rather. I would trust the used car sales man more than you guys. The only reason you are promoting Obama and beating up on Hilary is to get your boy Guiliani get elected.

  • Posted By: centauri @ 11/05/2007 10:24:59 AM

    Howard You and your ilk (matthews, Russert) are not to be trusted. I still remeber the way you guys bashed Al Gore and gave us Mr Sunshine our present president. Four years ago you had no problem with the swift boat guys bashing Kerry you were more interested in bashing Dan Rather. I would trust the used car sales man more than you guys. The only reason you are promoting Obama and beating up on Hilary is to get your boy Guiliani get elected.

  • Posted By: no0ne_007 @ 11/05/2007 10:23:53 AM

    felicej - How long have you been interested in politics? Have you ever taken a debate class in college? The objective is to show you are the better candidate for the job. As Barack pointed out, if Hilary wants to run on her record, then she needs to at least show us her 'record', not hide behind her husband while playing the sexist card.

  • Posted By: theEman @ 11/05/2007 10:15:01 AM

    There is a difference between smearing a candidate and politely pointing out the differences. Critisim of Hillary's "politically savy" straddling of the fence answers by John Edwards and Barack Obama is justified and fair. Hillary leaves so little room to point out the differences in how they would govern it is important that they use what they can. As the primaries approach, the differences should become clearer. I think either Barack or John would make a bigger difference in Washington than Hillary would. Hillary would make a bigger difference in Washington than any of the Republican candidates with the possible exception of Ron Paul.

  • Posted By: no0ne_007 @ 11/05/2007 10:12:26 AM

    felicej - How long have you been interested in politics? Have you ever taken a debate class in collage? The objective is to show you are the better candidate for the job. As Barack pointed out, if Hilary wants to run on her record, then she needs to at least show us her 'record', not hide behind her husband while playing the sexist card.

  • Posted By: stevenhf @ 11/05/2007 10:12:12 AM

    I certainy agree that Obama is so desperate to win in Iowa that he has resorted to negative attacks against Hillary Clinton, his chief rival, to do so. It is really a shame as I really liked Obama and was considering voting for him. But now, I am leaning towards Hillary mostly because she refrains from such negative attacks of her opponents such as Obama and Edwards. And it did look like a pileup up to me at themost recent Democratic debate It was an embarrassing spectacle seeing all these go after her the way they did, and I think it went beyond the reason that she was the frontrunner. You don't see Republicans attacking the leader of the national polls, Giuliani, like that at all. And no, I don't think anyone would dare gang up on Obama because he is black.

  • Posted By: HL22 @ 11/05/2007 10:11:33 AM

    Personal attacks and attempts to distort a person's record are major turn-offs for me. Candidates, please talk about the issues, your vision, and leadership ability. People are tired of "bush league" tactics. We want change!

  • Posted By: Tony C. @ 11/05/2007 10:01:18 AM

    Obama is all TALK, and negative talk at that. Not that Hillary Clinton is my first choice, but she far exceeds Barack Obama when it comes to experience and know how. I've yet to hear just what Mr. Obama would do if elected, but have heard plenty of name calling and finger pointing at Ms. Clinton and the other candidates. Like 99% of politicians, he has no record to run on so he does what the all do, point fingers and attack their opponents.

  • Posted By: Tony C. @ 11/05/2007 9:57:27 AM

    Just once I would like to hear Barack Obama talk about what he will do if elected President instead of ALWAYS talking about what he THINGKS Hillary CLinton will or will not, can or cannot do. I am so sick of ads where candidates talk aboout how they want to sete the record straight and rather than talk about where their opponents are wrong in what they have said about them, they immediately attack their opponnents. ENOUGH! If you want to set the record straithgt, then tell me just exactly what he or she said about you that is incorrect or misleading and not what he or she has done. If you want to do so, do it in another ad.

    Mr. Obama has consistently, as has John Edwards (who has until recently been my candidate) continually attacked Hillary Clinton rather than tell me what they plan to do to turn the country around, how to get us the hell out of Iraq, decrease the national debt, strengthen the ecopnomy, etc. etc.

    Shut up about Hillary's faults Barack and start talking about yourself.

  • Posted By: kentuckywoman2 @ 11/05/2007 9:53:18 AM

    The prospect of Hillary Clinton as President gags me. She can't give an honest, detailed answer or plan to substantiate anything she says! I agree with both Obama and Edwards. Hillary Clinton is a corporatist. She's never met a lobbyist she didn't like, and she takes money from those very companies and institutions that she claims she will fight against? What a load of crap. Here's the bottom line: If Americans elect her, we won't be much better off than we are right now. We've seen the disastrous results of trying to run this country like a business - we're mortgaged to the hilt, our jobs are running down south and overseas but are not staying in the U.S., we're allowing China to poison our children with lead, for goodness sake! I'm looking for someone with a vision, not someone who will ALWAYS support big business before supporting the PEOPLE. She won't get my vote. She doesn't deserve the vote just because she would be first woman president, and sadly, many people will vote for her just because she's a woman. Likewise, many people will vote for Obama just because he's black. These are the WRONG reasons to vote for someone! Clinton sounds just like Bush did because she has yet to give a detailed plan about ANYTHING. She's making grand promises and gestures, just like Bush did, but again, just like Bush, there's no SUBSTANCE behind Clinton's words. When anyone tries to pin her down, she either bristles and gets mad, or she laughs it off as if it's a joke. I don't trust her. What I can't figure out is that most Democrats I speak with aren't supporting her, except for a few members of women's groups. So where is this big support for her coming from? I'm inclined to think that the media is trying to tell us who's the frontrunner, but I think the people are being manipulated by the media. I don't think Clinton has as much support as the media would like us to think she has. It's time that the American people decide if they'd had enough or not, and tell the media to stop cramming this disingenuous woman down our collective throats. Frankly, I'm gagging.

  • Posted By: icgirl @ 11/05/2007 9:42:47 AM

    ha. here we see obama showing the audacity - you should pardon the expression - to do exactly what he criticizes clinton for doing. note the exchange below, and his 'disingenous' response:

    FINEMAN: Do you think the majority of the American public is in favor of giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants?

    OBAMA: Absolutely not. I'm sure they aren't.

    FINEMAN: But you are in favor.

    OBAMA: What I have said is that it is better off that we know that people who are driving know the rules of the road, are subject to insurance, are ..."

    come on! he's doing the same thing she did. it's a complex issue, a slippery question, and he responded identically to hillary. i'm loving this! he can't answer 'Yes" - he can't answer "no". He answers, "What I have said is that..." appalling!


  • Posted By: cmjersey @ 11/05/2007 9:33:37 AM

    Barack Obama's campaign is different from other frontrunner's in that he has addressed issues using logic in a language that goes beyond red or blue lines. The fact that he is now addressing the shortcomings of his opponents using the same logic in the same language should be of no surprise. Personally, I think that if we can expect this sort of honesty and intelligence from him in all of his potential future choices we will be much better off than we are now. Criticism is not the same as mudslinging, and if anything, a healthy dose of honest criticism is exactly what our political system needs.

  • Posted By: cmjersey @ 11/05/2007 9:31:04 AM

    Barack Obama's campaign is different from other frontrunner's in that he has addressed issues using logic in a language that goes beyond red or blue lines. The fact that he is now addressing the shortcomings of his opponents using the same logic in the same language should be of no surprise. Personally, I think that if we can expect this sort of honesty and intelligence from him in all of his potential future choices we will be much better off than we are now. Criticism is not the same as mudslinging, and if anything, a healthy dose of honest criticism is exactly what our political system needs.

  • Posted By: mort72 @ 11/05/2007 9:23:00 AM

    And now we come to the desperate candidate phase of the Obama campagian.She is disingenuous,she is sexist,she is dishonest etc etc. Too bad Obama doesent know the difference between dihonest and disingenuous.But what does it matter.To him one smear is as good as another when you see your efforts are going down the drain.The American people are wise to the fact that the presidency does not include training wheels and on the job experiance is what you are supposed to bring with you and learn as you go along.

  • Posted By: felicej @ 11/05/2007 9:02:01 AM

    Barack Obama's seemingly new tactic of going negative is a MAJOR turnoff. Personnally attacking your opponent is a sign of desperation. I don't like it from either side. I really used to enjoy John Edwards, but he and his wife have also adopoted the personal negative attack mode and it just makes me tune out. I want to hear their positions on the issues and not about someone's hair or their laugh or other stupdi trivial things that have nothing to do with what they are going to try to achieve as President of the United States. The more Obama spews venom, the more I dislike him. I was initially intrigued by his candidacy and enjoyed hearing him speak, but now it is hard to take him seriously.

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