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  • Posted By: Alikhan85 @ 11/06/2007 3:13:27 PM

    We all know the fact that Pashtunistan is the area which is supported by the Afghan Government in 1965, When Pakistan declined to give back the land (AFGHANA) to Afghanistan which was given by the British only as a gift without asking the locals.
    Today over 12-15 million Pashtuns or Afghans live under the map of Pakistan, but yet don't count themselves as pakistanis since they belong to a different race (Afghan) and they have a different culture from Indics (Pakistanis). Further more Afghanistan must take their land back otherwise Pakistan will win over all of Afghan land. That's why Afghanistan is still looking to peace out with Pakistan knowing that Pakistan is number one supporter of Americans after Israel and that Pakistan will always be helped since they are a british crated nation.

    • Posted By: patanazad @ 05/07/2009 10:39:35 AM

      pashtunistan zindaabad.we are 60 million oashtun we need pashtunistan. wich promote our national identity language and culture. we dost accept durind line. we want all pashtun of afghanistan and pakistan togather in a pashtunistan.

  • Posted By: Ali khan @ 01/19/2008 10:10:50 PM

    its a long discussion but here the short answer is that
    (1) anybody who wants to know what we pashtuns think of pakistan he should go and see in villages and towns of "NWFP". we absolutely loath Pakistan.
    (2) Durand line does not exist on ground but in the dreams of pakistanis.
    (3) Even pakistan's brain child Taliban didn't accept Durand line.
    (4) Before 1971 pakistanis were talking in the same tone as today they are once again but Bengalis got thr way and now we will get our way.

  • Posted By: Dr.Qazi @ 11/08/2007 4:31:11 PM

    Pashtoonistan is an old pipe dream of the Afghan ultra lefties and their grand champion Abdul Rahman Pizzwak. However this ill-planned sloganeering against Pakistan has resulted in so much death and destruction in Afghanistan. If these Lefties were not so rabidly anti-Pakistanis, they would have gotten full support from CIA during anti-Soviet struggle. This way we could have avoided Talibanic menace. May be these lefties are the one who invited Soviets to begin with.

    Ultimately it is in the benefit of Afghanis not to provoke Pakistan by respecting the Durand Line and respecting Pakistan as a neighbor.

    Peace.

    • Posted By: sam_the_uber @ 11/09/2007 11:57:14 AM

      Since when late Abdul Rahman Pazwak has become "lefties"? Was Faqir Ipa and others also lefties?

      • Posted By: Ali khan @ 01/19/2008 10:01:57 PM

        Durand line is a line in the air and does not exist on the ground the real line which exists on the ground is Attock where you see a sudden change when you enter Punjab, you realize that you enterd Hindustan and left Afghanistan behinde. Asking us to respect durand line is asking to respect knife on our throat which will never happen and even pakistan's brain child Taliban didn't accept Durand line.
        And if anybody wants to know what we pashtuns think of pakistan go and see in our villages and towns of "NWFP".

  • Posted By: mananqureshi @ 11/04/2007 11:49:34 PM

    Are western commentators , pardon my use of the term, STUPID??!!!, if there were to be free and fare elections, the very Islamists will sweep to power [atleast in the NWFP] that the government and the intelligence agencies are trying to capture kill and dislodge.

    • Posted By: twinsemadadnan @ 11/05/2007 5:40:22 AM

      Just because the islamists will come to power one cant hold the rest of the country hostage.As evident from previous statistics they've never really managed to go beyond a token number.besided PPP garnered the maximum votes in 2002. If the party is able to repeat that (which most probably it would)along with the deal with Mushraf , this could really be our only bet , not really a sanguine picture but the only better of the worst options available. But saying that there will have to be some definate checks on their abuse of state authority probably through a robust Judicairy and vibrant media.....but everything or atleast the check on power abuse seems to have been dashed with Mushraf's imposed Emergency..God save Pakistan.

      • Posted By: fghan @ 12/08/2007 10:11:08 AM

        I think the formation of the Pashtunistan according to the Pashtun nation and historical background will be the realistic, peacefull and permanent soloution , which will be in the best interests of the west and USA. Otherwise Pakitsan (Army and ISI) will train Taliban, will shelter them, will motivate them to attack US interests and the interests of the pashtooon nationalists. If this problem is not solved the Talibanization will grow exponentially under the command and control of ISI. The pashtoonistan will give pashtoonz the right to control its land, make it free from the extremism, without any intervention from the Pakistani Govt. (which plays dual game with USA). Pakistan is encouraging Madrassas in Pashtoonz area, discouraging the schools , universities and collages in the Pashtoon areas, why? becasue if the pashtooon are illutrate then they will be ideal talibans. One thing more, why pakistan cannot control the FM radio of Fazlullah in SWAT, while on the other hand Pakistan can block all private media in hours? because pakistan supports such Mullas to corrupt the Pashtoon nation and to make them illutrate (to the extent of an animal). Pakistan was openly supplying weapons to Mr Fazlullah and his gaurds...why?

        • Posted By: Mir_Ahmed @ 12/10/2007 10:12:56 PM

          fghan

          1. Nobody is discouraging schools. This is the fruit of your "autonomy". Everyone knows Pakistan never controlled NWFP. The blame for the amount of schools and the curriculums and keeping women away from schools is nobody's fault but the local administrations.

          2. Your either lying or naive when you try to paint a picture of an evil "Pakistani" nation keeping down this pashtun nation. First off, you need to explain the thousands of wealthy pashtuns living in Pakistan and the many many pashtuns in high political posts and army posts.

          3. Articulate how pashtuns are "opressed" at all. Show me where the treatment of pashtuns is similar to, say, kurds in Turkey. Did pakistan ban pashtun as a language? Did pakistan forbid you from identifying yourself as pashtun? You have nothing but a wet dream.

          4. You say Pakistan encourages illiteracy as if any country in their right mind would want that. For every 1 illiterate in MWFP, theres 10 illiterates in the other districts. Prove me wrong.

          If you want a pashtunistan then just say that. Don't justify it by making up imaginary stories.

  • Posted By: fghan @ 12/08/2007 10:24:49 AM

    Pakistan ISI and Army is the mastermind of Talibanization , so thats why pakistan support and help the Taliban in the Afghanistan and Pakistan , just to crush the moderate and liberal forces (Pashtoon Nationalist). and to make the Pashtoon nation illutrate to the extenet of dragging them back to stone ages. Thats why pakistan is encouraging Taliban like Fazlullah to broadcast openly on FM radio to address his ant-west and anti-US speeches and to motivate people to discourage female education etc...If pakistan can block private media within hours why cannot block Fazlullah FM radio?? The reason is that Pakistan is not interested to solve the pashtoon problems , but it want to corrupt the pashtoon culture with talibanization, just for the sake of kashmir policy. Pakistan has never considered Pashtoonz as its integral nation so it has always mis-used the pashtoon people and pashtoon areas in the name of Islam , just for its own gains. So the final soultion is the formation of democratic Pashtoonistan.

  • Posted By: fghan @ 12/08/2007 10:13:53 AM

    The real solution to the problems is the formation of an independent (Pashtunistan ) state to be ruled by Pashtoons .

  • Posted By: plaintruth10 @ 11/18/2007 8:07:42 AM

    Musharraf is the great mastermind behind 9/11.

  • Posted By: Khalilkhan @ 11/09/2007 10:14:23 PM

    Well, lefties always struggled and resisted imperialism and extremism in the region.

  • Posted By: sam_the_uber @ 11/09/2007 11:51:25 AM

    I think the real problem is imposition of Inidc culture and identity on pashtons, which in result promotes terrorism and extremism. The fact is Pakistan was created for Muslims primarily of Indian cultural background based on problems and conflicts which pertained strictly with India. What did Pashtons have to do with it? Absolutely Nothing. Afghanistan is NOT greedy. They simply want the restoration of what rightfully is apart of Afghanistan. Political Islam is used by Pakistan with her ???Islamic??? identity to neutralize/marginally Pashtun nationalism and dilute Pashtun identity...Never ever Pan-Islam and political Islam make any appeal to Pashtun nationalist sentiments as Mr Selig Harrison proclaim!

  • Posted By: sam_the_uber @ 11/09/2007 11:51:07 AM

    I think the real problem is imposition of Inidc culture and identity on pashtons, which in result promotes terrorism and extremism. The fact is Pakistan was created for Muslims primarily of Indian cultural background based on problems and conflicts which pertained strictly with India. What did Pashtons have to do with it? Absolutely Nothing. Afghanistan is NOT greedy. They simply want the restoration of what rightfully is apart of Afghanistan. Political Islam is used by Pakistan with her ???Islamic??? identity to neutralize/marginally Pashtun nationalism and dilute Pashtun identity...Never ever Pan-Islam and political Islam make any appeal to Pashtun nationalist sentiments as Mr Selig Harrison proclaim!

  • Posted By: Khalilkhan @ 11/08/2007 6:13:46 PM

    My fellow Pakistani is living in fools paradise, Afghans and their fellow Pashtuns never ever accept Durand line as international border, even 100 million more die we will not step back. Paksitan is on verge of break up. It is in very interest of international community help and liberate oppressed nations in Pakistan. I have not doubt they will sell or already in contact with Al-Qeeda to sell them nuclear secrets. But we still don???t know Afghans specially who involved to transports hundreds of Al Qeada and Pakistan Army personals from Kundoz (Afghanistan) to Pakistan in Nov 2001?????? Some one in playing double game???. That was no fly zone ???..Without US knowledge it was impossible.

  • Posted By: Khalilkhan @ 11/07/2007 10:49:53 PM

    Pashtuns are fairly democratic people, and there is much evidence to proof that. International community observed during Afghan Jirga's and Afghan Presidential elections. Terrorism ,fundamentalism and extremism is injected by foreign forces during Afghan Soviets war. When soviets were defeated International community left Afghanistan and Pashtun areas this side of the border to their neighbors and global terrorists. Pakistan is still playing a double game their Junior rank commissioned intelligence officers are involved in recruiting, training and articulating attacks on coalition a and Afghan forces. Pakistan never arrested Taliban???s main leadership which openly roaming around, living and traveling between Afghanistan , Quetta and tribal areas. Pashtuns do have very liberal and democratic political forces in Pashtunistan. They were never supported by Pakistani Government and also very much ignored by international community. In Southern Pashtunkwa (PMAP) under the leadership of Mehmood khan Achakzai is progressive and having very deep rooted political force and also have support in FATA and Northern Pashtunkhwa. The current unrest in Swat is very much engineered by ISI and Pakistan military . I personally have been to Swat, where PMAP and ANP have very much political support and people are very progressive and democratic.
    Khalil Khan, Canada
    zalmaikhalil@yahoo.ca

  • Posted By: Khalilkhan @ 11/07/2007 10:49:32 PM

    Pashtuns are fairly democratic people, and there is much evidence to proof that. International community observed during Afghan Jirga's and Afghan Presidential elections. Terrorism ,fundamentalism and extremism is injected by foreign forces during Afghan Soviets war. When soviets were defeated International community left Afghanistan and Pashtun areas this side of the border to their neighbors and global terrorists. Pakistan is still playing a double game their Junior rank commissioned intelligence officers are involved in recruiting, training and articulating attacks on coalition a and Afghan forces. Pakistan never arrested Taliban???s main leadership which openly roaming around, living and traveling between Afghanistan , Quetta and tribal areas. Pashtuns do have very liberal and democratic political forces in Pashtunistan. They were never supported by Pakistani Government and also very much ignored by international community. In Southern Pashtunkwa (PMAP) under the leadership of Mehmood khan Achakzai is progressive and having very deep rooted political force and also have support in FATA and Northern Pashtunkhwa. The current unrest in Swat is very much engineered by ISI and Pakistan military . I personally have been to Swat, where PMAP and ANP have very much political support and people are very progressive and democratic.
    Khalil Khan, Canada
    zalmaikhalil@yahoo.ca

  • Posted By: MATADOR @ 11/07/2007 5:59:11 AM

    All Pashtuns are not Taliban. Rather most Pashtuns resent the ruthlessness of Taliban. Time is fast approaching when the peaceful Pushtuns would drive away these few hundred taliban from their areas.

  • Posted By: MATADOR @ 11/07/2007 5:56:55 AM

    All Pashtuns are not Taliban. Rather majority of them resent talibanization and crave an end to the ruthlessness of these few hundred misled elements. Time is not away when the peaceful Pushtuns would drive away the Taliban out of their lands. Domination of Punjab is a propaganda which is often used by the extremists to fan the flames of dissent and to black mail successive govts of Pakistan for their own political ends. Jaundiced analysts fail to behold the right picture and perspective.

  • Posted By: Alikhan85 @ 11/06/2007 3:14:30 PM

    We all know the fact that Pashtunistan is the area which is supported by the Afghan Government in 1965, When Pakistan declined to give back the land (AFGHANA) to Afghanistan which was given by the British only as a gift without asking the locals.
    Today over 12-15 million Pashtuns or Afghans live under the map of Pakistan, but yet don't count themselves as pakistanis since they belong to a different race (Afghan) and they have a different culture from Indics (Pakistanis). Further more Afghanistan must take their land back otherwise Pakistan will win over all of Afghan land. That's why Afghanistan is still looking to peace out with Pakistan knowing that Pakistan is number one supporter of Americans after Israel and that Pakistan will always be helped since they are a british crated nation.

  • Posted By: twinsemadadnan @ 11/05/2007 5:48:05 AM

    Just because the Islamists "might" sweep to power in NWFP, doesnot mean the rest of the countryhas to be held hostage. In all likelihood the PPP will capture majority of the votes. With her shady "deal" with Musharaf this could actually be Pkaistan's only Bet..the lesser evil of the so many others. But for the arrangemnt to actually deliver definate checks on the abuse of state authority will have to be present most probably in the form of a robust ( though not over zealous) judiciary and a vibrant media..however hope of any bleakly sanguine dispensation seem to have been dashed with the imposition of emergebcy in the country..God save Pakistan.

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