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  • Posted By: Atheria @ 11/07/2007 6:23:51 PM

    As for JO's comments, I don't agree with you. There are other alternatives that properly measure a student's abilities and how much they learn. I have no problem with holding a teacher accountable for improperly preparing students; however this law does nothing but cause teachers to "teach to the test" as they have been doing in Florida for years, which does nothing but fail these students in the long run. you asked what is a better way to show adequate progress and learning. Well I'll tell you. It's a combination of a student's grades AND a test that tests reasoning and skill sets, not facts. A test that requires thinking and thinking outside the box, like making your own formulas in high level math classes, the will truly reflect a child???s ability and what he/she has learned. If a student makes all A's but fails a standardized test, there must be a fail safe to prevent retention of a capable child by alternative testing, that is more costly and time consuming, or a review of his/her class work for the year to ascertain whether actual gains we made that year. Likewise, a student who is failing their classes should not be allowed to pass on to the next grade until a through review of his performance is made. Would it be more costly? Sure but it would better serve the children and the community and make a higher educated more capable society of adults for the future.

    That's just my 2 cents peace

  • Posted By: jojoc10 @ 11/03/2007 4:53:07 PM

    Admittedly, other than having graduated from a public high school six years ago, I know very little about the public education system. From an outsider???s perspective, please consider these points.
    Undoubtedly standardized tests are inherently flawed. We know this. No man made test can be completely unbiased. To that end, tests may not be the best solution. Still, how else are schools to be judged? How else can the quality of education be quantified in a responsible manner as objectively as possible?
    I certainly am weary to talk about a subject that I perhaps I am not qualified on and hopefully some smarter teachers out there can steer me in a better direction. Unfortunately though, I have seen no better evidence to prove the contrary. There are literally tens of thousands of school systems across the country, testing it seems is the best and most efficient way to stratify the bad schools from the good schools.
    Education is not business and vice versa (unless of course you saw my student loans). Still, in any profession (government jobs included obviously) merit based promotions are the norm. In sales if you don???t sell things, you???re fired. If a mechanic doesn???t fix your car, he deserves scrutiny. If a carpenter doesn???t build what you want, he shouldn???t be paid. Lastly, in the military, our service members take tests in order to make the next rank and rarely do we hear complaints since they know what is expected of them. Are these analogies unfair? I don???t think so. Schools are synonymous with tests. That is the threshold for acceptance or rejection. The public who pays taxes can???t be in the classrooms seeing the great work done by the teachers. Instead, they must rely on test scores that create a mandate for change, improvements, raises and sanctions.
    The standards while varying are there in any profession. The bottom line being that if you don't produce, you don't play. It's that simple.
    Look, there are better ways to improve the system and I'm not suggesting that we maintain the status quo. All that I'm offering is that people understand that testing is the most logical way to determine merit in a school system. As a student I wasn't the best test taker and I had to try hard just to maintain average scores compared to my peers. Sure I could have complained but that wouldn't have gotten me anywhere. Instead, I worked hard at it, I tried my best and in the end I think my scores were a good overall reflection of my actual intelligence. I'd be the first to tell you that I'm not very smart and I'm sure many of you will agree if you read this post. What I do know however, is that those students who did score really well on their SATs, AP tests etc... Deserved what they got.

    • Posted By: Atheria @ 11/07/2007 6:23:32 PM

      To jojo and everyone else on this post I'd like to offer my congratulations for doing just what this teacher wanted when he protested, making waves and stirring debate. On that note, I'd like to say I agree whole-heartedly with the man about the "No Child Left Behind" law. It a useless tool that focuses on one type of learning and one type of test taking skills. It does not accurately depict intelligence, nor does it reflect the actual learning-taking place in the classroom and by the students. Many may think I am unqualified to make such a statement, I am only I high school senior after all, but I live in Florida. If any one else is from Florida they are familiar with the dreaded FCAT.

      For all those who are not, I will explain it to the best of my ability. FCAT is similar to the standardized tests taken all over the country due to the implementation of NCLB. The difference is it has a much longer track record, debuting in 1996 when I first entered Kindergarten. Because of this I believe FCAT may be the most accurate measure of standardized state tests in the United States.

      As I entered the public school system in 1996, I have grown up with FCAT my whole school career and believe I could give an accurate depiction of standardized tests from a student perspective. As a student, I test extremely well. I am one of the few people in the United States whose learning aptitude is accurately measured by these types of tests to the utmost of the tests ability. That being said, I honestly believe that the FCAT and all other types of standardized test imposed upon the children of this country do not accurately reflect the actual learning taking place. I personally know many children who can do nothing but regurgitate facts. They are mindless carbon copy drones created by the high stakes testing environment present in Florida for the past 12 years. Even though I test well, even these tests cannot properly measure my abilities.

      I was a voracious reader and a lover of all things scientific and mathematical. I was not properly being served, like many children in the public school systems of America, and so my mother home schooled both my younger sister and myself. At the end of the year in order to prove to the state that we had been taught on grade level and made progress for that year we had to take a test. Do you know what they found? I tested high school level in my ability to REASON out problems in math and near college level in my English/vocabulary section. I learned far ahead of the curve, but the tests merely showed a PROFIECENCY in the areas tested, not the abilities I had or could perform. If many of the children tested by state standards were given this test they would be far below grade level, as the test doesn't ask you to bubble, it is given orally, or restate facts. It involves critically thinking skills, which id what needs to be taught in the first place.

    • Posted By: tshulman @ 11/07/2007 1:17:51 PM

      The problem is not testing but the form of test that is being administered. Research has shown repeatedly that the types of tests that are being proctored do no test students on what is really important, their ability to critically think. Rather it tests student's ability to regurgitate the facts, and why do they test this way? Because it is the easiest form of test to evaluate. But really what good is a population who knos the facts but does not have the skills or ability to do anything with them? I can and will support testing when it tests the right skills, until then I will take my teaching license elsewhere.

  • Posted By: neaguy @ 11/07/2007 5:36:44 PM

    Not only did this teacher do the right thing---and why don't more of them do this?---he knows the topic well.
    Standardized testing is bad accountability. Better: performance exhibitions, portfolios and teacher created assessments. These are being used around the country, for example in Nebraska and in the 47 school New York Performance Assessment Consortium and they lead to better teaching, better learning and more success beyond high school than the traditional dumbing down sit and git factory model of teach and test, teach and test.

  • Posted By: bj1045 @ 11/07/2007 5:22:21 PM

    Look Mr. texasmortarman we are talking about a state test here not how Mr. Wassweman's looks or dresses. Way to go David. More teachers need to speek up and do something about this.

  • Posted By: lagal @ 11/07/2007 5:22:08 PM

    Three cheers for Mr. Wasserman! The NCLB program needs to be thrown out. These tests are pointless when the teachers don't get to see the results . How are they supposed to know what changes are needed to help the students if they never see the test results?

  • Posted By: joebill96 @ 11/07/2007 5:21:16 PM

    hey momof4here I feel sorry for your children (kids are baby goats). I hope you're not the one who is teaching them, b/c you're not capable of posting a simple comment correctly. Maybe you should try to push the button once. I'll talk to Newsweek to see if they can put explicit instructions on this site for people such as yourself. I would like to thank and commend this teacher. My wife is a teacher and I know how hard she works to ensure good, quality, and wholesome education for the children she teaches. She's very dedicated, and the only problem I've ever heard from her would be the parents. For you to say that they are getting paid for nothing and these tests show them they have a job to do is outrageous. Take a look at how much a day care charges to keep a child all day and not teach them, if a school paid teachers that much for the 25-30 kids they have per class then teaching might not be one of the lowest paid professions. Finally, it is the teacher's responsibility to teach not to make the child learn. If only one child in the class learns the information then the teacher is doing his/her job. However, if a child in that same class doesn't learn the stuff then the only ones to be blamed is that child and his/her parents.

  • Posted By: texasmortarman @ 11/07/2007 3:35:47 PM

    Way to set a civic example there Mr. Wasserman. Let us all continue to take your lead and dress sloppy, have unkempt hair, and a scraggy beard while picking and choosing what laws we wish to follow. I know that is just how I want my children to look and behave while they struggle to read the want ads and scrawl their poor handwriting on job applications at the local burger joint.

    • Posted By: bj1045 @ 11/07/2007 5:18:52 PM

      Look,Mr Texasmortarman we are talking about state test here not looks!

    • Posted By: bj1045 @ 11/07/2007 5:15:25 PM

      Look,Mr Texasmortarman we are talking about state test here not looks!

  • Posted By: ikes @ 11/07/2007 5:15:52 PM

    All of you are missing the point. I say that the government knows exactly what they are doing! They are preparing your kids for the New World Order. The Order of things to come, and it???s all being done under false pretence. The government doesn???t want your kids to know anything about the way this country was founded. They don???t want them to know anything about the Constitution. They don???t really want intelligent kids. They want robots. They are actually trying to dumb-down the masses. They do not want people in the future to know about their rights or to stand up for what is right or what they believe in, be it right or wrong in their eyes. They say that they don???t want any kids left behind which all sounds good but look at what is happening. Wake up people! You are having the wool pulled over your eyes. If this generation does not stop this madness who will????. Our robotic kids? NO! Why? Because they are uneducated and wont know any better. They wont be able to think for themselves.

  • Posted By: Tink Woods @ 11/07/2007 4:58:43 PM

    Way to go!!! Great techers inspire children to learn and motivate parents to become more envolved!!! There's no way this test is a tool that can be used in a positive way, especially the media who can further fuel an already biased fire. You are exposing a "tool" used only to limit and label a child and their school. There is no cut and dry solution to different educational needs and there is no way all children are to be expected to fit into a "cookie cutter fantasy world" where everyone is the same. What is this test saying?! "There is no room for diversity, or different learning/teaching methods" ?!? Well done Sir, you've made a lot people proud!!!

  • Posted By: momof4here @ 11/07/2007 4:51:02 PM

    I agree that NCLB is flawed but without testing how are teachers to be held responsible foor poor teaching. I pulled my kids out of school because a teacher shook my daughter by the arm for stepping out of line. She didn't learn anything. She sat for hours doing worksheet after worksheet. When the teacher complained that my daughter wasn't working at her full potential I suggested that my daughter was bored. She said that that may be but she wasn't being paid to entertain. That teacher is piad to teach and in todays technology era kids need a teacher who is going to teach outside the box.
    If kids with educated parents test better than kids with uneducated parents then I would think that the parents, not the teachers, are teaching these kids. My kids didn't learn anything at school that I hadn't already taught them.
    I sympathise with teachers. It must be hard going all those years getting paid for nothing and suddenly waking up one day to find that you have a job to do.

  • Posted By: momof4here @ 11/07/2007 4:48:42 PM

    I agree that NCLB is flawed but without testing how are teachers to be held responsible foor poor teaching. I pulled my kids out of school because a teacher shook my daughter by the arm for stepping out of line. She didn't learn anything. She sat for hours doing worksheet after worksheet. When the teacher complained that my daughter wasn't working at her full potential I suggested that my daughter was bored. She said that that may be but she wasn't being paid to entertain. That teacher is piad to teach and in todays technology era kids need a teacher who is going to teach outside the box.
    If kids with educated parents test better than kids with uneducated parents then I would think that the parents, not the teachers, are teaching these kids. My kids didn't learn anything at school that I hadn't already taught them.
    I sympathise with teachers. It must be hard going all those years getting paid for nothing and suddenly waking up one day to find that you have a job to do.

  • Posted By: Tink Woods @ 11/07/2007 4:43:06 PM

    Way to go!!! It's about time this subject was looked into rather than over looked and labeled with a "child friendly" name. This is a teacher who wants to teach and not simply hand out a piece of paper, one of which isnt a tool for anyone to learn from, that tells the media of all people whether or not children fit a cookie cutter fantasy world. Great teachers who can inspire children and motivate parents towards a higher level of education make the difference. You've made alot of people proud- keep up the fantastic work!!!
    -Twoods

  • Posted By: Ogdenmom @ 11/07/2007 4:42:24 PM

    I couldn't agree more. I have a 5th grader who freaks out on state tests, but does exceptionally well on "regular tests" given to him throughout the school year. These state tests really do nothing but give the children taking them and the teachers who teach heartache. I am sorry to say, but there are some children who need to be left behind due to issues at home and with behavior problems in school.
    This teacher should be praised and glorified for taking a stand, yet not letting it interfer with the way he is teaching his students.

  • Posted By: plynam @ 11/07/2007 4:41:57 PM

    I am the principal of a charter high school and we have students enrolling throughout the year and leaving throughout the year. Many times we have a student enroll the day before the test. Our school is evaluated on how well the students do on these tests yet the majority of our students have been enrolled such a short amount of time that we have little chance to evaluate or improve their skills. There has to be a better way to evaluate the school and the teachers.

  • Posted By: NMSCOMMENDED @ 11/07/2007 1:29:30 PM

    is the writers word"AURAL" actually meant to be "ORAL"?
    If so- the witer and proofreader may both qualify as the "CHILD LEFT BEHIND".

    • Posted By: Buckforsure @ 11/07/2007 4:40:01 PM

      was your comment meant to be witer or was it meant to be writer just maybe you where left behind//Wnter Your Comment

  • Posted By: PIEAT @ 11/07/2007 4:36:42 PM

    Hopefully we will start to see more teachers follow suit - and then perhaps the administrators can join in and support the teacher's decision and shut down the money making business of standardized state test exams. GIve back the humanity of schooling to our teachers, children, family, the entire school community. WE are diverse, our country was founded on diversity - why standardize! it is truly unconstitutional.
    rhea

  • Posted By: horselovinlunatic9899 @ 11/07/2007 4:35:30 PM

    This guy is soooooooooooooooo amazing!!!! I am currently a high school student and I HATED No Child Left Behind. I myself did fine on state exams, but while taking them, I felt myself slowly shutting down from lack of thinking. While this test was easy, I know that some of my really smart, all A's friends were really struggling with the material. The test showed absolutely nothing about the intelligence of anyone. Also, this law has made teachers groom students into thinking that the world is multuple choice and that critical thinking plays a minor, if at all existing, role in everyday life. The law does not work and will never have the potential to work because that is not how things go. I commend this teacher for guts to stand up and bring attention to what this law is doing to the students it is trying to protect.

  • Posted By: Greg Ohio @ 11/07/2007 10:47:21 AM

    These tests would be great preparation for a multiple-choice college followed by a multiple-choice job. Unfortunately, neither exist.

    Additionally, it widens the gap between poor urban schools and rich suburban ones. The suburban schools easily pass the tests, so they can ignore test prep and continue real education. The urban schools put everything into the test, leaving their pupils Left Behind when it comes to real education.


    • Posted By: elliemarie @ 11/07/2007 1:30:12 PM

      Dear Greg, I firmly believe that the reason most rich suburban schools pass the tests with greater success is because their parents are able to provide their children who struggle with the needed intervention. My daughter has been seeing a tutor, at the cost of $50.00 per hour , twice weekly for 3 years. Prior to that, she went to one of those expensive "learning centers", which did nothing but take our hard earned dollars. She is a gifted 5th grader who still, after nearly 4 years of tutoring, reads on a 3rd grade level. She is severely dyslexic, yet tests on a college level in many areas. Had my husband, who is also dyslexic, and I not had the resourses to get her needed help, God knows where she would be at. I believe that environmental differences can easily be overcome with proper teaching strategies. How many parents who live in an inner city housing project have the financial means to get help for their children. Sadly, and possibly by no fault of their own,many of them are not aware or simply do not care. Upwards of 20% of all people are dyslexic. The majority of dyslexic people are very bright. Their brains are simply not "programed" for early reading. Dyslexia knows no financial boundries. Sadly, you are right. Urban schools are totally left behind. Most teachers, by no fault of their own, do not know how to recognize or teach a dyslexic child. They are simply not trained, on the university level ,unless they are going into "special" education. These children need "different" education, not "special" education. The simple addition of a 30 minute multi-sensory reading program in addition to the phonically based program ,which is standard in most schools, would close the gap substantially and benefit ALL children, not just those who struggle to read. Maybe then will we see fewer ,less fortunate students drop out of school because they are frustrated. The drop out rate in inner city schools is frightening. The talent we are letting slip through our system is heartbreaking.

      • Posted By: moragamom @ 11/07/2007 4:30:41 PM

        I completely agree that all schools should not teach for a "test" and instead teach a multi-sensory approach to learning. I also live in a well-to-do suburb and have spent thousands of dollars on my two special needs children to make it possible for them to exist in a regular classroom. My daughter has a learning disability and all she does is study after school. The teachers and resource department have their hands tied with this NCLB law. It has taken the love out of learning and if she wants to graduate high school with a diploma we cannot modify her education in any way.

      • Posted By: bsgfan @ 11/07/2007 2:30:55 PM

        My child is also dyslexic, diagnosed by me and her teacher but not officially. When she was tested in school she wasn't "dyslexic enough" to qualify for any extra help. My hisband and I bust our buts for hours every night to help her through school and she does well because of it, but I can't even imagine how many kids out there are behind because of this. The thing that really burns me is the whole focus on the so-called "gifted kids." Yes, they are book smart, but there are creative kids and kids who are smart in other ways that get completely passed over as the "gifted kids" get the good teachers and the advanced classes and the extra field trips. While the rest of the non-gifted kids are the ones getting beaten over the head repeatedly with practice standardized testing questions and nothing else. The smart get smarter and the rest are left behind and were not even given a chance. As one other comment stated, these test scores are going to stigmatize these kids, incorrectly giving the impression that these kids are dumb. There has got to be a better way.

  • Posted By: zombiemaven @ 11/07/2007 4:30:00 PM

    Sorry! I guess I'm the idiot. My response was to vozekar, not the teacher. The teacher is a hero as far as I'm concerned!

  • Posted By: mommy1 @ 11/07/2007 1:39:25 PM

    These test are all mandated by Politicians, that do not even have anything to do with education, how it should be taught or when. Some kids freeze when it comes to these tests, because the schools are told to repeat over and over and over how important the tests are and how important it is that the kids pass, talk about pressure, most kids could pass these tests under regular conditions, but not under the conditions that are instilled during these yearly exams. It is crazy. It is time to let the Principles, teachers and students do their thing without outside pressure. Give it a rest or at least get it right!!! Stop putting so much pressure on our kids and blaming the teachers and school duistricts when the test scores are not above and beyond. All students learn differently and at different rates, these tests prove nothing other then there is too much pressure put on everyone 2 times a year, from a bunch of ignorant politicians to sit back and judge and take money away from the schools and education so they can spend it somewhere else that bebfits the politicians!!!!!

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