Dancing with the Dictator

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  • Posted By: andy_f90 @ 11/03/2007 10:43:35 PM

    Its outrageous about our two-faced "empty rhetoric" on democracy. This is what Presidential Candidate Ron Paul means when he says, "we better practice what we preach." By supporting the anti-democracy dictator in chief, the Bush administration has once again shown crass judgment. As a Pakistani, I can swear the people have turned against this "SOB" Bush puppeteer and has declared war on his Muslim tribal brethren who are fiercely independent and govern their "own semi-autonomous" tribal Western Frontier.
    I see grave consequences for my country if the Democracy preaching President of this country and the EU don't rein in this illegitimate power-grab now. The Chief Justice is under house arrest, television channels have been shut down, lawyers and lawmakers are surrounded by troops, and the Constitution suspended indefinitely. Would any Americans tolerate such abuse by their chief executive under the guise of "security?" If not then help us freedom-loving Pakistanis stop your gov't from turning this nation half of America's size into a fascist state under anti-Muslim forces and allies like Bush, neocons, and their Israeli supporting backers.

  • Posted By: afype @ 11/05/2007 7:26:55 PM

    God bless Mr. Bush and down with enemies of USA. God bless our arm forces. To hell with terrorists, liberals and all other god hating, america hating wimps. Go USA.

  • Posted By: RaniaM @ 11/05/2007 3:14:31 PM

    Like many others I am saddened by the state of affairs in Pakistan. Not so long ago I used to live there. Growing up in Pakistan in the 80s, I saw women vote, own property, work in any and all professions, drive cars, travel with ease - nothing out of the ordinary. It was a country of moderates, in sharp contrast to Iran or Saudi Arabia. Suicide bombings were unheard of in this country until now. Today these are becoming commonplace, and the level of religious extremism is greater than I have ever witnessed. No one will disagree that the 'emergency' is a regressive move but I ask you, how else can we fight the wave of terrorism that has infiltrated our borders. We must focus cleaning up the Taliban in Afghanistan. These groups are a menace for the entire world. Unfortunately, we have diluted the war on terror by going into Iraq - permitting the Taliban to seek refuge elsewhere. I hope we can agree that we need to prevent Pakistan from falling into the hands of extremists. It was never so.

    • Posted By: masherif @ 11/05/2007 4:16:34 PM

      Dear RaniaM
      I agree with you that we need to prevent Pakistan from falling into the hands of extremists.
      And I agree with you that fighting the wave of terrorism must be clear for everyone who concerns about freedom and democracy, not only in Pakistan!
      But, today all dictators and unfortunately many other democracies are humiliating the very basic human rights using war against terror as excuse! Do you know how many dissidents are under house arrest or in prison toady just because they are thinking different like this dictator from Pakistan? I hope you can agree that this has nothing to do with your very justifiable wish fighting the wave of terrorism! For me this is one of the indicators of dictatorships.

  • Posted By: leodelaney @ 11/05/2007 3:44:23 PM

    Why blame Bush? Since he himself is a total loser he has always allied our nation with losers. We should allow the Middle East to become the Islamic States ruled by religious leaders that they are going to become anyway. Instead we do all in our power to thrust our form of Democracy on the people of that region who have no need of it, don't see it as a blessing and don't want it. Contrary to popular belief the only people who believe the world is jealous of the American life style are the American people. What we should be doing is getting our uniformed assassins home from that area and letting those states work out their destiny as they see fit.

    There is no doubt that a threatening power will arise from that working out, but it will be a power that can be dealt with just as we never let the cold war become hot. The United States has to learn that imposing its own version of a social system or imposing its own particular brand of religious fantasy on another has not worked since the last of the missionaries was eaten. A hundred years ago the world was ready to accept civil and religious colonialism, but nations have now thrown that off and the US's attempts to reimpose it in the name of "freedom" are doomed to failure. And the failure has cost us dearly, in money, lives, honor, ethics and dignity.

    The tiem has come to bring our armies home and stand down our military expenditure and military threat in favor of improving the lives of our own people. The Soviet Union is gone, China is pursuing a different competative road than military confrontation, terrorism is and always has been a non-threat, a weak Boogie Man created by incompetent and failed leaders and, while the Middle East will incarnate as an Islamic Empire that is decades away, and there is time to accomodate ourselves to that. But it will take an understanding of how the world has changed from the 19th and 20th Centuries and how the United States has a different role to play in the future, perhaps a far less important one. We need far thinking and far reaching leadership, not the same old macho, fear ridden, military hobbled, ignorant and insular leadership we have now and which we are offered for the future. Though the Democrats may offer us a start on an understanding of the world they are still hidebound by the past and the Republicans are little more than a stage full of empty suited neanderthals uttering only one word (taxes) and threatening everyone and everything they come in contact with. Still, there's time.

  • Posted By: felix918 @ 11/05/2007 1:15:33 PM

    Beginning with Truman and up to Reagan we supported Dictatorships(however distasteful) to contain communism. Now, it seems, we will support anyone who opposes Terrorism.

  • Posted By: shoegen @ 11/05/2007 1:04:29 PM

    Musharaff obviously has limited intelegence on how to deal with his country's internal problems. Marshall law is usually the last resort for a civilian government but it is the prefered type of rule for the military. Mass arrests,imprisonment without trial or charges, disappearences and torture, violent crackdown on protests or dissent and takeover of the media and courts are all hallmarks of dictatorship.Musharaff's opposition will be arrested and detained the body count is going to grow fast. The ultimate effect of this action almost allways is overthrough. The United States must monitor the situation very closely because if it appears Pakistan's nuclear weapons are in danger of falling into unfriendly hands they must seriously consider a first strike to remove the threat of a missle attack by extremists on the U.S. or thier allies in the region.

  • Posted By: flanet @ 11/04/2007 10:33:45 AM

    Unless we don???t understand that US have national interest all over the globe, and therefore, we cannot allow certain things happened, for example, Pakistan being taken by our enemies, it is a disgrace but we should obligate and impose our foreign politics. Undoubtedly US have to faces like a coin, one for domestic use and the other face for external use. Let???s admitted and accepted if we really want our country to be success able for more year to come.

    • Posted By: no0ne_007 @ 11/05/2007 11:27:55 AM

      What if China took the same stance and decided they needed to "obligate and impose their foreign politics". lol, we can't even get out of Iraq, imagine how that war would go. Until the US cleans up its own act, we have no business trying to clean up others.

  • Posted By: mgcuerva @ 11/05/2007 11:02:07 AM

    As a latinamerican I would just disagree on the "Americans have always been uneasy about dancing with dictators" or just I start numbering the ones americans support through the eigthies in the region. ??And what about Chavez, will the americans stop complaining about his luck of democratic's ways or will they use the same standars as with Musharraf, Kadafi, etc.? May be Mugabe can also have something to say about the dictatorship to defend the people and the democracy

  • Posted By: mgcuerva @ 11/05/2007 11:00:02 AM

    As a latinamerican I would just disagree on the "Americans have always been uneasy about dancing with dictators" or just I start numbering the ones americans support through the eigthies in the region. ??And what about Chavez, will the americans stop complaining about his luck of democratic's ways or will they use the same standars as with Musharraf, Kadafi, etc.? May be Mugabe can also have something to say about the dictatorship to defend the people and the democracy

  • Posted By: lovejusticepeace @ 11/05/2007 8:17:06 AM

    Will the CIA assasinate Musharraf ?
    Please dont .
    Musharaf must be tried in an InternationalCourt of Justice.

  • Posted By: mananqureshi @ 11/04/2007 9:45:34 PM

    Mr. Hirsh forgets that, Pakistan under Musharraf has deliveerd to US hands more than 700+ terrorits , inlcuding dozens of several high proifle Al-Qaida leaders, he should remember that when he criticizes the regime in pakistan.

    • Posted By: masherif @ 11/05/2007 4:14:27 AM

      Dear mananqureshi: Don't you think that every dictator needs terrorists? When necessary creating terror too! What do you think how our world would looks like if we don't have such terror? No Musharraf, no Bush, Putin ... and Mr. Hirsh can cultivate flowers! Today every dictator and many so called democracies like US, Israel and others humiliate the very basic human rights for war against terror! Do you know how many dissidents are under house arrest or in prison or may be already killed just because they are thinking different like this dictator from Pakistan? And finally I guess you already know who have created and supported a fundamentalist Bin-Laden and its bloody Al-Qaida???
      That is also unfortunately the double morale of U.S. policy and history.

  • Posted By: junaidkhan @ 11/04/2007 9:10:08 AM

    It is high time that US administration and US people recognize that only true democracy in the region will bring in peace and stability in the region. Support of dictators can at best act as a band-aid for an infected wound. Gen. Musharaf is unpopular in Pakistan and history has proven time and time again that lasting solutions cannot come from unpopular leaders.

    Junaid

    • Posted By: edfeeney @ 11/05/2007 1:53:24 AM

      TO JUNALDKHAN---I have to totally disagree with you about democracy is the only way to promote peace in a region. At least not by todays standards. Bush's spread democracy philosophy has literally de-stabilized every region he's pushed it. Lets start with the Palestinian sitution. After Arafatwe finally get somebody we can deal with. Their almost pro-western. Bush goes ahead and pushes his adgenda even though Israel begged him to hold off. But Bush knew bette and overnight lost our friends and put Hamas in power. An enemy who has sworn to destroy Israel. Good work George. Then to make it even worse dum-dum doesn't like the results so pulls all suppor for this newly elected govern. We have every right to hate Hamas but tough thats who was voted in Now dum-dum finances and arms Fatah to fight against Hamas. Good work dum-dum. Now go to Iraq. Bush decides they need a little democracy so he wipes out and destroys a ruthless, murdering regime to replace it with a newly-elected ruthless and murdring regime. But its way worse than before because the new ruthless regime is beholden toIran. They are our biggist enemy. Even if you didn'tlike the original murdering regime at leat they kept a balance of power and a stability to that area. Apparently you don't undestand that those people would rather settle old scores than embrace the gift of democracy they've been given. So lets fceit free elections in that part of the world has only been beneficial to our enemies. Lets go to Russia now. Heres country that democracy brutalized that society. Now under Putin who's is rapidly turning it back into a totalitarian state is enjoying a 70-80 per cent popularity rating. The Soviets are gladly giving up their feedoms because democracy didn't really lift them out ofanywhere. Either did the free-enterprise system. I could go on but these are easy examples of democracy not working and also de-stabilizing whole regions

  • Posted By: edfeeney @ 11/05/2007 12:55:12 AM

    Although I don't have a whole lot of confidence in the radical elements if they took over Packistan but I would still trust them more than Mucharraf. Afterall it was one of his nuclear weapons scientists whosold every nuclear secret he could get his hands on and he sold them mostly to our enemies. So it'll be a tough call but Musharraf has already proven hes more than capable of de-stabilizing the world.

  • Posted By: mananqureshi @ 11/04/2007 9:43:53 PM

    Pakistan under Musharraf's regime has delivered more than 700+ terrorists to US custody, not counting the hundreds if not thousands killed. Columnists like these should keep that in mind while they "critique" the "dictator".

  • Posted By: cpatwork@hotmail.com @ 11/04/2007 11:00:25 AM

    Pakistan is not the No.1 generator of just anti-US terrorism, they are the No.1 generator of all terrorism, period.

  • Posted By: mona0529 @ 11/04/2007 7:44:02 PM

    WHERE THE HELL IS MY COMMENT, I DON'T SEE IT DISPLAYED

  • Posted By: mona0529 @ 11/04/2007 7:30:44 PM

    The media needs to stop focusing on Pakistan and focus on what America id doing for its own people, like creating jobs, having a stable economy and stop sending your kids to war cause of nationality. Where is the justice in standing up for America when the rich party while the working class work their asses of to provide for their families.

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  • Posted By: masherif @ 11/04/2007 3:05:08 PM

    Problem dictatorship ??? Or supporting dictatorship?
    The biggest drama from my point of view is how we define the foreign policy? We are all proud about to say, foreign policy is the policy of interests! You all hear such definitions not only in political debates but we learn this very stupid things also in our so called elite universities and we hear it also often from so called intellectual prophets. And we repeat and repeat it fluently.
    As long as we don???t ask ourselves what does this mean we don???t have to wonder about supporting dictatorships. We don???t have to wonder about damaging our own democracy and our freedom. It???s very simple; such way leads to deep corruption on thinking and on dealing, whatever we are going to do. Because when something matches our interests so it doesn???t matter if the solution will be the dictatorship. And for sure it doesn???t matter dancing with the Dictators and it doesn???t matter if we are not recognizing free elections or threatening democratic rights.
    See US support for governments in Egypt, Jordan, Algeria, Saudi Arabia and many other countries in the world. See also the support of Israeli occupation and its humiliation against the very basic human rights. And more see the US support for Bin-Laden against the bloody Russian occupation of Afghanistan.

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