Five Ways to Survive the Housing Slump

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  • Posted By: Bevnlou @ 11/19/2007 12:27:29 AM

    First I would like to offer to purchase Mr. Talbot's home for its 1997 value. Actually let me give hime an offer he can't refuse, I will buy it for its 1998 value. Just before I begin to hold my breath waiting for Mr. Talbot to accept my offer, I would like to give you my take on the real estate market. Just about everyone in the U.S. is a slave to the news media. We all were told about a real estate "bubble" and months after there was a "bubble", If we woke up tomorrow morning to our favorite little faces on the "Today Show" or "Good Morning America" and they reported that now was the time to buy and deals weren't going to get any better. You got it! People would buy real estate in a heartbeat and prices would stabalize. I know it sounds simple, but it is true. I just wonder if home prices in Iraq have stabalized since we didn't find any Weapons of Mass Destruction?

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/20/2007 12:11:41 AM

      It is evident that you are a real estate agent and one like Dr. Lawrence YUN (MORON) that continies to deny that the Housing BUBBLE has finally BURST!!!! Have you ever looked at the Foreclosure Reports kept by Realty Trac? The Subprime Mortgage Mess is REAL and over the next 2 years, 2 MILLION people are going to lose their homes to Foreclosure. Have you ever looked at the MLR to see just how many properties are on the Market FOR SALE???? There is a RECORD number of properties still sitting UNSOLD. The news media only REPORT the news SIR... they don't create it!!!! WAKE UP and see what is actually happening across this country and the Real Estate Market that is currently in RECESSION and going into a DEPRESSION.

    • Posted By: svman @ 11/19/2007 1:02:47 AM

      Maybe Mr Talbot cannot sell for 2007 prices.. fact is cant sell for 2006 or 2004 prices... as prices decline he wont be able to sell for 2000 prices... as was the case in the past bubble decline... so this will also occur.

    • Posted By: Out of L.A. @ 11/19/2007 12:53:01 AM

      No Bevnlou. Maybe Mr. Talbot does not want to sell regardless of home prices, you moron! People cannot buy because they cannot afford now that the Mickey Mouse loans are gone. It does not matter what the media says, you worthless realtor troll.

  • Posted By: fed_is_pro_inflation @ 11/19/2007 12:41:47 AM

    this is an excellent time to rent - or if your job permits remote work, move abroad and get a broadband Skype connection. The outsourcing ( and the open borders "insourcing" ) guarantees falling U.S. incomes - so why not just move to where it's cheap, like Brazil ?

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/20/2007 12:04:37 AM

      Dear fed_is_pro_inflation: The average salary in Brazil is $150.00 a MONTH. Could you live on $150.00 a month. I think NOT and have you ever tried to get a VISA to Live or Work in Brazil? Well, wait till you see the paperwork you need to complete. Brazil has enough unemployed people and they don't want Foreigners coming there to spoinge off the Government. The Government of Brazil requires that you prove that you have at least an income of $2,000.00 U. S. a month before they would even think about granting you a VISA to live there. You would also be required to pay Brazilian Income taxes on any income you receive while living in Brazil.... including Social security. You really should do some Homework before you suggest idea's that seem so SIMPLE!!!!!

    • Posted By: mikeinpanglao @ 11/19/2007 1:54:37 AM

      Living overseas is not what it used to be fed_is_pro_inflation. I have lived in the Philippines for almost three years and the dollar has fallen 25% in that time. The weak dollar has caused a type of inflation that has been felt overseas first. IMO it will be felt in the U.S. before too long. I am surprised imports haven't risen more than they have already. It is just a matter of time.

  • Posted By: Ken11 @ 11/19/2007 1:41:58 AM

    I completely disagree with any type of government bail-out for homeowners who have lost their shirts with their mortgages. This all came about becasue people wanted a house that cost more than they could afford. Why should my tax dollar go to help someone get out of the debt they created for themselves. If I bought a car that was too expensive for my budget, would the goverment help me make my car payments? It is exactly the same principle.

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/19/2007 11:59:04 PM

      Ken, you hot the nail on the Head!!!! If I go out and buy a Jaguar is the Government going to bail me out and help me pay for a car that I knew I couldn't afford. I Don't think so.... so the Government has NO business bailing out people who bought a house that they knew they couldn't afford either. People MUST take some responsibility for their ACTIONS... and stop expecting the Government to bail them out for their own stupid MISTAKES!!!!!

  • Posted By: erikabladh @ 11/19/2007 2:00:21 AM

    While I do believe the house values will continue to drop I think that it is very bold to say they will drop to 1997's values. Do we want to continue scaring ourselves and others about a market that we can control if we think at least a little optomistic?

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/19/2007 11:55:29 PM

      Dear ericka: Housing prices are going to drop 30-50% over the next 2 years. Housing prices became WAY OVER PRICED in relationship to WAGES! House prices CANNOT continue to go up faster than Wages.. it is just NOT sustainable. This is Basic Ecinomics 101. Have you ever taken an Economics course? I think NOT. You can deny what is happening in the real estate market but that doesn't mean the Housing BUST is going to get any better any time soon. Prices continue to drop over the next 2 years then remain FLAT for the next 10 years. Real Estate is NOT the great Investment that Real Estate Agents and Brokers wnat you to believe. A House is a place to live and NOT a RETIREMENT PLAN!!!!!!

  • Posted By: toddf72 @ 11/19/2007 2:01:59 AM

    This is totally ridiculous. 1. All real estate is local. How can he say that when in many places there is still a tremendous need for housing. 2. If rents are up, as they are in San Jose Ca 32%, how can there be a return to 1997 prices.?? With the drop prices it is cheaper to BUY than rent even with ZERO appreciation. If you quantify the tax write off and combine that with the rise in rent, it is cheaper to OWN. 3. With unemployment at Local, State, and National historical lows, people are not forced to sell and will not sell at a certain point because there is no need. The jobs are still here. He is dead wrong. The bleeding will stop when the sub-prime loans run their 2 year course. Most of the subprime loans had 2 Year fixed rates. Most subprime loans were halted in Feb 2007. So Feb 2009 should have flushed all the subprime out. Like they say, when there is blood on the street BUY property. IT is NO mistake that 98% of America's Millionaires made their millions in Real Estate

    • Posted By: erikabladh @ 11/19/2007 2:27:12 AM

      You nailed it. Love your posting. All the other comments show you why only some make millions in real estate while lots don't/

      • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/19/2007 11:50:54 PM

        If you only restrict your answer to San Jose, CA., one of the VERY FEW markets that is not in a Housing Recession than I would agree with you. However, the other 85% of Housing markets are in a RECESSION and things are going to get WORSE over the next 2 years. Here in Miami, when you consider mortgage payments, property taxes, and increase premuims..... it is BY FAR Cheaper to RENT than buy a house that is still OVER PRICED!!!! BTW, Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are BILLIONARIES and they made their money by Investing in Successful Businesses and building Microsoft... NOT in Real Estate.... I am afraid those days are OVER for the next 10 years. I SUGGEST you get OUT of real estate and into a Diversified Portfolio of Stocks. If you go back and study the Appreciation of Houses you will learn that they go UP and average of 1 to 2%. Real Estate is like any other investment vehicle... when it becomes OVER PRICED the market will ADJUST prices back into equilibrium. That is just what is happening today and over the next several years. I suggest you do your Homework before using one particular real estate market and suggest that the rest of the U. S. real market is the same.

  • Posted By: woody_alan @ 11/19/2007 2:24:05 AM

    I took a shet on my house value, i take a shet on the bubbles, i will shet on Mr Talbott, and the NAR, and while i'm at it, i will go ahead and take a shet on the NRA. i've dropped the price by $90k and i still cant sell my house u stupid bittches and ***....

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/19/2007 11:40:33 PM

      I Suggest erikabladh read your message and find our what is going on in the Current real estate market. I wonder if she ever leaves her house or just is too Depressed to go out and see the HOUSING BUST that has occurred and will only get WORSE next year and into 2009.

  • Posted By: erikabladh @ 11/19/2007 2:24:42 AM

    None of us really know what is going to happen. We'd like to wish we did. Even myself as a real estate agent wants to think that the market will decrease for another year or two and then level out. Which might be the case or might not. I just got sick of reading everyone's postings and hearing that they totally think that their opinion is fact .The fact I do know is if you don't own right now you can find deals that make your payment the same as rent.

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/19/2007 11:38:02 PM

      It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to KNOW that the Housinfg market is in a Recession in some parts of the U. S. and a Depression in some other parts (Miami, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Detroit, Phoenix, xtc.) of the U. S. You have evidently been buying into all the B#@L S*@it the Dr Lawrence YUN, chief Economist for the NAR. He has been totally WRONG since the beginning of 2006, by telling peoiple this is the time to buy a house. HOGWASH!!!!! Housing Prices are going to continue to DROP over the next 2 years.... then prices will remain FLAT for at least the next 10 years. I suggest that you start looking for a NEW Profession because thousands of real estate agents are already leaving to find jobs that can pay their monthly bills. WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING!!!!!

  • Posted By: inet49 @ 11/19/2007 2:36:42 AM

    I'm going to make improvements in my home for both comfort and status regardless of pay back because it is cheaper than buying a new home. I bought my home in 1997 and it is worth 50% more than that now even at bargain basement prices. I'm not convinced the information provided is practical or correct.. John Talbott is definately a bear on housing, sorry John I guess the bull grazes in my back yard not yours.

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/19/2007 11:31:29 PM

      Dear inet49
      If you plan to stay in your house for another 10 years at the very least then I would agree you should go ahead and make improvements. You are going to discover that 2 years from now your house will only be worth what you paid for it in 1997. That 50% appreciation that you are counting now will Evaporate over the next 2 years. John Talbott is a Realist and he knows what is happening in the current Housing BUST!!! It appears to me that you have had your head in a hole as to what is going on in the real estate market.

  • Posted By: reellc @ 11/19/2007 2:58:24 AM

    Amazing!!!! Why would a homeowner think that $1 is worth a buck???? Today a buck is worth what the Gov/bank wants it to be, or what they think it should be based on??? So why would a homeowner complain about the value of their home????? Maybe because they voted for the wrong president....And, or the homeowner is misinformed about the way their home is valued. ????Like realtors or appraisers???? In the past the $1 was worth more than a buck. Why has this changed??? Global economics? Greed? I would hope that simple knowledge and credible resources would help the public know that the "Housing Slump", is not a slump. Housing values are still increasing. The interest rates are still low!!!! Quit spending more than you make! Please get educated about your finances!!

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/19/2007 10:51:49 PM

      If you don't think that Cleveland, Detroit, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, most cities in California are NOT in a Housing Recession..... you must be hiding under a rock or a Real Estate Agent. Ben Bernanke is responsible for the Housing Bubble being created by keeping interest rates too LOW for too LONG!!!! He continued to print money and feed the Housing MANIA. Banks were giving mortgages to anyone with a pulse. Now the party is over and it's time to pay the PIPER!!!!!

  • Posted By: abgoodlife @ 11/19/2007 3:08:46 AM

    He can keep his negative comments to himself! I've been a realtor since 1989 and real estate has always been a good investment. Making improvements on your home does give the seller a nice return when selling. Buyers like and buy homes that are updated and improved. Make the improvements as early as possible in your home so that they can be enjoyed by you and not just putting out the money to put the home on the market. There are not many things that give such a nice appreciation as real estate.

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/19/2007 10:43:50 PM

      I totally Disagree with this Realtor about Home Improvements. I WOULD NOT make any improvements in any house UNLESS you plan to live in that house for more than 10 years. If you expect to sell your house within the next 10 years you WILL NOT RECOVER any of the money to improve your house. In today's Buyer's Market, Buyers are NOT willing to buy for extra improvements that you make and prices are dropping so you are just wasting your money. I would NEVER listen to a real estate agent... they are one step above Used Car Salesman. Realtors are part of the Subprime Mortgage Mess because they didn't care of the buyer could afford the monthly payments after the first year..... thye already made their Big Fat Commission. I think some of the home Owners losing their Homes now should go after their Realtors and SUE the pants off of them!!!! Maybe they will change their business practices BUT don't hold your breath....

    • Posted By: Out of L.A. @ 11/19/2007 6:52:35 AM

      Since you are a realtor whore, I would never expect you to tell the truth, even if your mother's life depended on it.

  • Posted By: copycat @ 11/19/2007 3:38:30 AM

    This article was an interesting read, but basically had a dire outlook on the real estate nightmare. The only reason I am writing now is to comment to all the people who are attacking those who find themselves in over their heads. My husband and I were the victims of predatory lending. We bought our house in the peak of the bubble in Miami, Florida... one of the highest priced markets. Why did we buy? Because renting was just as expensive as a mortgage payment... and unfortunately by the time we had enough money (as recent college grads) to buy the bubble was about to burst. We did not "buy more than we can afford", and go for a huge mansion. We bought a small single family house... and one of the cheapest we could find at the time in the city (without living in a dangerous neighborhood.) If we wanted to own a house... we had no choice. During that time if you even went to see an open house you were bombarded with freakish experiences. Literally buyers were signing contracts on the hood of their realtors cars. If you didn't snatch up your home, someone else was going to get it. You had to act fast. No time to stop and think.
    Anyway, we got a decent loan... but a year later a "friend" of ours convinced us to refinance to bring our monthly payments down, get cash back and help us live more comfortably. Unfortunately this "friend" really f*@#ed us over. We were supposed to get a one year low interest rate but there was a "typo" on the documents that had the wrong year... which basically meant that we NEVER received this teaser rate. Instead our monthly payments skyrocketed to $1000 MORE a month than before we refinanced... and thanks to this ARM it is still going up. This loan added $33,000 to the price of our home (which was appraised surprisingly high for a market that was slumping... was the appraiser in on it?) and now we would actually still owe money on a home that we no longer owned if we were even able to sell.

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/19/2007 10:37:47 PM

      I hate to say that your friend F*@#ed you over Big Time for his own Greed. Housing prices in Miami are going drop 30-50% over the next 2 years. With an ARM Loan interest not being paid is being tacked onto the principal at the very same time that housing prices are Dropping. If you are not already UNDER WATER, you wll be in the near future. If I were you I would try to get the mortgage holder to agree to a SHORT SALE of your house. If they don't agree to a Short Sale you will eventually LOSE your home to Foreclosure. You are now between a Rock and a Hard place. You have dug yourself in to such a HOLE that there is no way for you to prevent it from collapsing on you. I would stop paying your mortgage, put it up for SALE and Price it to SELL and look for a place to rent while your credit is still OK. Once your house is Foreclosed on, you FICO score will go down the drain. GOOD LUCK!!!!

    • Posted By: gnevins @ 11/19/2007 6:24:57 PM

      I hate to say this but your friend F*@#ed you over Big Time. Real estate prices in Miami are Headed down 30-50% over the next 2 years. With your ARM Loan, every month interest is being added to the principal at the very same time that prices are going down.If you are NOT already UNDER WATER, you will be soon. If I were you I would try NOW to do a Short Sale of your home because otherwise you are just digging yourself deeper into a HOLE every month. Eventually, the hole will collapse and you will lose that Over Priced home. I say cut your LOSES NOW!!!!! If your bank won't agree to a SHort Sale.... I would stop paying the mortgage and look for a place to rent while your credit is still good. Once your house goes into Foreclosure, your FICO score will be seriously damaged. Good LUCK.

    • Posted By: mikeinpanglao @ 11/19/2007 5:32:59 AM

      I'm sorry about your tough situation. Predatory lending, in any form, should be illegal. It all boils down to greed. It shows that government regulation is necessary to keep lenders in line. I know it doesn't seem like it now but on the bright side you are obviously young enough to recover from this experience. Imagine what it would be like to be retired, be on a fixed income, and have to go through what you are going through. Good luck

  • Posted By: dystantme @ 11/18/2007 10:44:30 PM

    Yeah right, Mr. Talbott.. Houses are worth what they are in 1997? 2005 perhaps, but unless you're in the most depressed market in the US, there is no way the houses are worth what they were 10 years ago. I guess the media will print anything that screams doom and gloom about the housing market lately, as the bird flu thing is so last year. Considering there are more areas in the US with price appreciation this fall, than depreciation, then idle speculation (which is really shamelss self-promotion) makes news. And people like Mr. Talbott only add to the woes of the homeowners right now, as 90% of any economic crisis is consumer confidence. Thanks for nothing.

    • Posted By: Calmeta @ 11/19/2007 1:33:30 PM

      What is your position? Realtor, Loan Officer, Home Appraiser? Coming down to 1997 levels does seem a bit dramatic. I purchased a house in 1999 for 167,000. I sold it in 2005 for 525,000, this increase was very dramatic. This more than tripled in value in 6 years. To afford this house one should gross approximately 132,000 per year. The problem was the ARM's. In addition a minimum down 52,500 (10%) or 105,000 (20%) was not required. I would suggest that if your busness is one of the ones I listed above you find a new job and quit spreading proaganda.

    • Posted By: Calmeta @ 11/19/2007 11:13:26 AM

      What is your position? Realtor, Loan Officer, Home Appraiser? Coming down to 1997 levels does seem a bit dramatic. I purchased a house in 1999 for 167,000. I sold it in 2005 for 525,000, this increase was very dramatic. This more than tripled in value in 6 years. To afford this house one should gross approximately 132,000 per year. The problem was the ARM's. In addition a minimum down 52,500 (10%) or 105,000 (20%) was not required. I would suggest that if your busness is one of the ones I listed above you find a new job and quit spreading proaganda.

    • Posted By: Calmeta @ 11/18/2007 11:25:25 PM

      What is your position? Realtor, Loan Officer, Home Appraiser? Coming down to 1997 levels does seem a bit dramatic. I purchased a house in 1999 for 167,000. I sold it in 2005 for 525,000, this increase was very dramatic. This more than tripled in value in 6 years. To afford this house one should gross approximately 132,000 per year. The problem was the ARM's. In addition a minimum down 52,500 (10%) or 105,000 (20%) was not required. I would suggest that if your busness is one of the ones I listed above you find a new job and quit spreading proaganda.

  • Posted By: Calmeta @ 11/19/2007 1:17:02 PM

    No bailout. What didn't you borrowers understand about an Adjustable Rate? Did you think it would go down? Did you think that the house value would keep increasing by 15%-30% a year? and if it did continue to increase at that rate did it dawn on you you would be helping to elimante millions of future buyers? Did you not care because you got yours? Did you refiance and buy a RV, SUV, a boat, a rental property, a time share or a vaction home? Now you expect he feds to bail you out with tax dollars collected from citizens that the majority of which did not get suckered into a ARM? The feds may do some type of bail out. It will be sold as good thing for the people. The fact is it will be too little too late and it will really ony help olut the large lenders that have gobbled up all the liitle ones already. This whole thing is due to greed on everyones part, borrowers, speculators, realtors, lenders, appraisers, etc. If you truly can't afford it walk away, foreclose. This happened in the peak of the early 1990's. After that prices dropped and these same people that foreclosed bought again in as aliitle as 5 years for a much lower price.

  • Posted By: Calmeta @ 11/19/2007 1:00:33 PM

    Why is rent up? Could it be because people bought a second house and kept the first as a rental? Possible with a ARM. Now that thier payment has gone up they raise the rent. As far as the unemployment rate goes the feds only count the people that are currently on unemployment. If your benifits runout, you worked under the table, took a new job for less money or you did not file for unemployment you are not counted. Housing construction in So Cal has come to a stand still. Erosion control has been placed on unfinished projects, lots sit empty. Where did all these people get new jobs at?

  • Posted By: alan static @ 11/19/2007 12:17:42 PM

    The NAR is the hand of the devil.

  • Posted By: alan static @ 11/19/2007 12:17:22 PM

    The NAR is the hand of the devil.

  • Posted By: scroberts @ 11/19/2007 8:14:19 AM

    The Leander that took over for the one that went out of business is still responsible and held accountable for any and all sub prim lending that is going on, any one that feels that they have a mortgage that is deferent or that is not begging told how has their note needs to call their Attorney General office and take leangle action against the new company, there are many company???s still out their not doing the right thing or trying to take short cuts in trying to collect their money ( read Saturdays Cleveland Plain Dealer).

  • Posted By: copycat @ 11/19/2007 3:38:58 AM

    There is so much more to the story... but we are not stupid people. We are bright, intelligent, and now desperately hanging on. The lender we signed with originally is now out of business and the new bank that took over our loan just doesn't care.

    So, please don't blame the borrowers, the predatory lenders are really at fault. We have written proof on our acutal contracts from our lenders on what our monthly payments will be and how they will change per year. It was all explained to us... but the way it is typed out in the contract, with our signatures on it was not the case. It was a sneaky, underhanded deal... and now we are the ones to pay the price.

    Thank god we are making due for now.. but many families are not. Have a little compassion... NONE of us want to be in this situation. We did not buy a home intending for the government to bail us out.. but if the government had done its job these big money lenders would never have had a chance to allow such loans to be processed in the first place.

    I hope the government does something to protect a recession or even a depression. Our economy cannot handle it. I pay A LOT of taxes too... it would be nice if the taxes I pay can help get me out of extreme financial trouble. Thats what taxes are for... to help the country with expenses that may not have been previously forseen.

    So... stop blaming the little guy... it was the big guys who should have known better.

    • Posted By: scroberts @ 11/19/2007 8:13:28 AM

      The Leander that took over for the one that went out of business is still responsible and held accountable for any and all sub prim lending that is going on, any one that feels that they have a mortgage that is deferent or that is not begging told how has their note needs to call their Attorney General office and take leangle action against the new company, there are many company???s still out their not doing the right thing or trying to take short cuts in trying to collect their money ( read Saturdays Cleveland Plain Dealer).

  • Posted By: Out of L.A. @ 11/19/2007 6:57:06 AM

    It's amazing how many people here are in denial. Of course, a good number of them make their living in the real esate industry. Why would any intelligent person take the word of an uneducated realtor (who typically have only a high school education or less) who uses mindless cliches. like "they are not building any more land", to support their wishful thinking that real estate will continue to yield 20% a year for the next decade.

  • Posted By: bennocap @ 11/19/2007 3:30:55 AM

    As a successful mortgage banker, I can tell you that non-conforming loans did not become aggressive until 1999. There might have been a few markets in 1997. However, it is a realtors job to sell and with that, they will try to get as much for the home as possible. That is why an appraisal is very important. Now is a great time to buy a home. Wait two years and you will be able to sell for a profit. Especially if the property is distressed.

    • Posted By: Out of L.A. @ 11/19/2007 6:45:03 AM

      No, you will not be able to sell for a profit in 2 years. In two years, it will probably be a great time to buy a home. I wish all you people in the mortgage/real estae industry would stop spewing this nonsense just because business is bad. You were wrong when you said there was no bubble at all, you were wrong when you said it would only result in a soft landing, and you're still wrong now.

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