I make it a point not to stay at a hotel again if there is no Bible in the room.
I make it a point not to stay at a hotel again if there is no Bible in the room.
I think that hotel owners should cater to their clientele. It is what is expected in a free market society. No one should be forced to provide (or not provide) something that his/her clients don't want. Conversely, I believe that Christians should ask when booking a hotel if a Bible is provided in the room. If the hotel says "no" then I think the Christian should explain that it would like to do business with a hotel that caters to its needs and then hang up and make a reservation at a hotel which does provide a Bible in the room. That too, is a free market answer to this dillemma. I would guess if enough Christians did this, most hotels would provide Bibles because Christianity is still the #1 faith group in the United States.
I believe people that have sex should ask when booking a hotel if a sex kit is provided in the room. If the hotel says "no" then I think the person should explain that it would like to do business with a hotel that caters to its needs and then hang up and make reservations at a hotel which does provide a sex kit in the room.
I believe that people should ask when booking a hotel room if a trampoline, a houseplant, and knitting supplies are provided in the room. If not, make reservations at a different hotel where these things are provided.
Or better yet, the person wanting to have sex should bring their own condoms. And the Christian should bring their own bible.
Last time I checked, Gideons' furnished Bibles at no cost to the hotels. If hotels do not offer other religious books it's because, after all these years, other religions had not caught up with the Gideons??? scheme. In almost every hotel where I've seen a Gideon Bible, it???s been inside a drawer, out of sight. If you are offended or insulted, just don't go around opening drawers. Although I am one today, I've not always been a Christian. During my dark years, I remember once or twice grabbing and reading a Gideons Bible during one of my then frequent and often lonely business trips. I will be forever grateful to the Gideons for the chance to read something I would not have read under different circumstances. I did not become a Christian over night. It was a 40 years long process. I now carry my Bible wherever I go. Gideons??? Bibles are for non-Christians, like me back then. If one chooses to read it, it's there. If you don't care for it, leave it alone. I am very happy with my neurological disorder I prefer to call ???Faith in Christ???. If you prefer "sanity", don???t' touch it. But other people may be open to this insanity. Last time I checked, this was a free country with justice for all.
Uh. . . what is it exactly about hotel rooms that you think warrants the need for religious texts (the Bible or any other text such as the Torah or the Koran) to be placed there at all? Why does a hotel room need these things to begin with? If a hotel room MUST have a Bible in it, they why is there not also an insistence on the part of the Gideon's or other organizations to put these books in airplanes, or in the sleeper cars of trains? And another thing, if you want to read the Bible while on a trip, why don't you just BRING ONE WITH YOU? Why do I, as a non-Christian, have to tolerate the Bible being in my room when I'm just trying to put my socks in a drawer?
Look, if you take it for granted that religious texts MUST be placed in hotel rooms, then the hotel is obligated to have ALL religious texts available to their guests so as not to discriminate. But personally, I think that's pretty silly, since the hotel should not be under any obligation to provide that service to their guests. If you want a Bible, take your copy from home!
Actually, I don't think the hotel is obligated to do anything. It is not obligated to have Bibles in the rooms, nor is it obligated to have other religious texts, even if it does have Bibles. To my knowledge, there is no group representing other religions that are offering free texts in mass quanities, such as the Gideons are doing with the Bibles. The Gideons do not INSIST on anything. They merely make the offer, and it is up to the hotel to accept. As to why they do not have them on planes, etc...I am not entirely sure, but I would imagine it is because a far greater number of people utilize hotels than those who utilize planes and trains. Those using the planes and trains are likely going to stay in a hotel when they reach their destination. It only makes sense that the placement with the greatest potential would be the hotel.
I do not understand why you would find the placement of a Bible so offensive. It is really that bothersome to you to have to glance at it while you are putting away your socks? As to your comment regarding why people don't just bring their Bibles with them....It is my understanding that the Gideon Bibles are intended for the lonely, road weary traveler who may be reaching for a Bible in a moment of despair, and in doing so, read God's revealed word. It is just this sort of encounter with God's word that the Gideons envisioned when they began placing these Bibles, and it is just this sort of encounter that has changed many, many lives. No apologies if you find that offensive.
"I do not understand why you would find the placement of a Bible so offensive."
Would you find the placement of a book of Wicca offensive?
The reason I find the Bible offensive is because there is no god. No gods.
I would reply that while providing a Bible for a weary Christian who wants the text to read in order to console himself is a worthy reason for having a Bible, I am not convinced that this is realy the intent (or at least the only intent) of the Gideons in placing Bibles in hotel rooms. As one poster above commented, Gideons are also known to proseltyze their religion to others (as the poster commented about Gideons handing out Bibles in front of his child's school). I think its more realistic to think of the Gideon Bible as being there NOT ONLY to assist the person who is already a Christian if they are troubled, but also to "spread the word of God" (translation= convert) any non-Christian to the faith. And THAT I find offensive.
But as a seperate issue, you conveniently gloss over my main point. The issue is that if the hotel is going to cater to the needs of the weary Christian traveler, then why doesn't it also attend to the needs of the weary members of other faiths? Even if its an outside group like the Gideons providing the religious text, it doesn't matter. By allowing the text in their rooms, the hotel is condoning the practice whether they actually pay for the texts or not. So why are they catering simply to the needs of Christians?
Fundamentally, this comes down to an issue of fairness. The problem I have with the viewpoints expressed here in defense of the Gideon's is that they stem from a viewpoint that it is alright to cater to the needs of the religiously inclined as long as that religion happens to be Christianity. They stem from the myopic viewpoint that Christianity is the only religion (or at least the only worthwhile religion) in the world and also the only one that needs to be addressed when its tenants have a particular need or desire that needs to be addressed by certain institutions (whether that happens to be privately owned hotels, or schools, or the government, whatever). That's what bothers me, the influx of Christianity into every aspect of our daily lives is a slap in the face to those of us who are just as American as the rest of you but who happen to not be Christian. Especially at this time of the year, the line that seperates faith from the rest of our society (particularly government) is blurred, and that ticks me off.
I can understand your perspective. I admit that it is easy for me as a Christian to say that this is how I believe things should be. I am also comfortable in saying, however, that I would not have a problem with other religious texts being provided in hotels.
And I find it ironic......one of my dearest friends is an atheist (started agnostic, now atheist), we manage to have civilized, lively debates over religion and America. From her perspective, Christianity is 'winning' and invading everyday life. My perspective is that it is continuously being chased from every aspect of life. I encourage everyone...if you wish to find better understanding of the world around you, engage in conversation with others about their different way of life or beliefs. Our differences do not keep me and my friend from being close, in fact, we find that we value each other all the more for them because we can teach each other something we might otherwise be unaware of!
Hotels do *not* pay for Bibles that are provided by The Gideons. The money to pay for these Bibles is raised in churches. Hiring a counselor for guests? Obviously price-prohibitive. Bibles at no cost? Priceless! And yes, Gideon Bibles *do* prevent thousands of people every day around the world from suicide, adultery, and crime. What could you possibly have against less suicide and crime? Hello!
I don't see how a Bible could possibly hurt anybody or provoke any kind of lawsuit - the tenants aren't *forced* to read them, the Bibles are just there in case they do. But Bibles have certainly helped millions of people get their life back on track and even saved lives - clearly a win-win situation. Religious reading material in hotel rooms is infinitely preferable to the sex kits, which promote infidelity and potentially fatal diseases like AIDS and hepatitis. And when you mention one religion's holy text - many other religions also place the Koran or other holy texts in hotel rooms. Why discriminate against Christians only?
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Quirks/2007/05/03/swedish_hotel_adds_bibles_to_rooms/
"Why discriminate against Christians only?"
Why promote Christianity only??
"Why discriminate against Christians only?"
Why promote Christianity only??
Bibles were put into to Hotel and Motel rooms to lower the Suicide rate, theres no Stats , But most suicides are commentted in a Motel or Hotel room. Gideons International is a non-profit , they place Bibles in Hotels and Motels for Free no cost to the Hotel owner or the person renting the room. The person can acually take the Bible with them. The Gideons are providing a service to Man-kind. If Muslims want to put a Free Koran in the room go for it. Freedom of speech developed out of freedom of religion. So all you peeps that have freedom of speech in this country remember were it came from. Me Id put a Thomas Jefferson Bible in the Rooms.!!
it is amazing to me how something like this can be blown up into a huge deal. Some hotels are choosing to follow the market (a capitalist sort of thing) and proved the amenities their guests apparently want. As a private business owner it really should be their choice. If I owned a business and wanted to only sell Buddhist items, then I should be able to do that. If someone else owned a hotel and wanted to put Bibles and Crosses in all the rooms, then that is their choice as well. I have the right to choose to stay there or not. Ultimately that is what our entire nation is built upon, the right to choose. It may not be a direct freedom in the constitution but it is something that we have always followed. We get to vote for the people we want in charge, we get to vote for or against particular laws, and we can chose which businesses we purchase from. I personally would rather not stay in a hotel room that is stocked with "sex toys" and would not book a room with them. However I also do not feel entirely comfortable staying in a very Christian hotel either. (I am talking about places that do more than just put a bible inthe drawer). These are my choices, some of you would prefer a very Christian place, and I am sure some others want the "novelty" items. So why is that some feel like attacking others over this. Vote with your dollars, if you like the new places with specialty stuff then go stay at them. If you don't then go somewhere else. Why attack the hotels for simply doing what they are in business to do?
I'm not sure how I feel about some of the newer amenities (I suppose they're OK if they are offered discreetly), but the demise of the Gideon bible is long overdue. Every time I find a bible in my face when I go looking for a pen or pad, I feel like an unwelcome intruder, a non-Christian being reluctantly tolerated in a Christian institution. For years I've been filling out hotel response forms asking hotels to leave religion where it belongs, in churches, temples and mosques. It's good to hear someone may have been listening, condoms notwithstanding.
You know its too bad. The bible is a wonderful book to read. Its full of all kinds of action, sex, and murder. Just read Genesis chapter 34. After Joseph's sister Dinah gets raped, Joseph and the gang get revenge......
By killing every man in the town and then taking their women, children, and riches for themselves. Now that's a righteous man of god! How will we wile away the days in a hotel without such glorious literature?
You know its too bad. The bible is a wonderful book to read. Its full of all kinds of action, sex, and murder. Just read Genesis chapter 34. After Joseph's sister Dinah gets raped, Joseph and the gang get revenge......
By killing every man in the town and then taking their women, children, and riches for themselves. Now that's a righteous man of god! How will we wile away the days in a hotel without such glorious literature?
Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe what your intellect would cause you to reject, otherwise there's no need for faith.
If the hotel is going to have a bible, why not the Quran, or the Torah? Or even the 8 Fold Path? The shift away from mainstream Christianity is a good one, because Christians need to remember this: Not everyone believes what you do, and you would do best to respect that.
Most do respect it. And you would do good to remember that they are put there by an organization that pays in full for the service. If you wish to have the texts of your religion placed in rooms, please, by all menas do so. But you must pay for it.
And just for the record, the Torah is in the Bible...it's the first five books.
"And just for the record, the Torah is in the Bible . . . it's the first five books."- pennyln
No, not quite true. First of all, the first five books of the Gideon Bible (or other English translations such as King James, NSE, etc.) are versions of the Bible that have been so heavily altered, edited, and (often) mistranslated that they actually bear only passing resembelence to the Hebrew texts on which they are based. Second of all, the very fact that the Gideon Bible is written in ENGLISH instead of HEBREW is what makes it an invalid substitute for the Torah as far as any Jew like myself is concerned. One of the key aspects of the Torah that makes it a holy text (according to Judaic teaching) is the fact that it is written in the language of God (namely Hebrew). The Gideon Bible (or any other Bible for that matter) fails this basic litmus test.
So, pennyln, I would humbly suggest that you learn more about other faiths before you make blanket statements like that.
Gideon Bibles are printed in over 80 languages. One of them is Hebrew.
"Gideon Bibles are printed in over 80 languages. One of them is Hebrew." - abbaschild
Irrelevant. The Gideon version of the Bible is still an altered (and that's being generous) version of the original Hebrew Torah (Old Testament). The fact that this altered version has been re-translated back into Hebrew is inconsequential. The text is still different.
I apologize, I was unaware of the importance of the Torah being in Hebrew. For that, I sincerely thank you for correcting me. I have studied various faiths, both in college and on my own, and have enjoyed learning about others' beliefs.
Come on America - wake up! Our country was founded on the belief of God and this is another way to remove him. I agree......let your hotel / motel chains know the Bible and God are important and should remain. God Bless!
Oh Brother. I don't know even where to begin explaining to you how incorrect and wrong the statement "Our country was founded on the belief of God" is. If that is what you honestly believe than you are SERIOUSLY misinformed about historical fact.
Is it simplistic to generalize this situation - choosing between the Bible or a condom pack as an appropriate hotel amenity - as a commentary on our society today? Probably not. Actually, the hotels in question are not themselves providing the Bible, the Gideons are. So this is not really a financial decision for the hotel chains and if other religious groups want to be represented, they should provide their literature to hotels as the Gideons do. This is more a decision on perception and attitude - for a chain to say "This ain't your grandpa's hotel." However, since I personally have met in my travels a surprising number of people with stories about checking into a hotel, not for elicit sex but to end their lives, found the Bible and turned their lives around, that Bible is worth its weight in gold a thousand times over.
If by "turn their life around" you mean completely lost it and started to talking to imaginary friends then yes, I would agree with you.
So if a criminal reads a Bible and turns away from crime as a result, that's a bad thing?
Yeah, I read the Book of Mormon at a Marriott, and now... well, no, I'm not mormon. But man, I'd like a set of their magical mystery underwear though.
Such biased writing in a news magazine! Says the writer: "But alas, the word of God is nowehere to be found", taking for granted that the Bible is indeed the "word of God". -- newsflash to newsweek, examine that assumption, not held by the majority of people. "Leave the values at home" says the write -- taking for granted the implicit assumption that "values" equals "Bible" -- what values are those, the ones where you offer your daugthers to a mob to be raped, so that they don't bother your guests, like Lot does, before being saved as the only righteous person around? Let those who believe bring their own Bibles, Quarans or Tooth Fairy manuals.
Amen! Superman, Spiderman, Frankenstein, Santa Clause, The Tooth Fairy, God... they all belong in the trash heap of disguarded mythology and fantasy.
If you don't believe in God, may I ask why you said "Amen!"??
Oh, but that Lot story is a good one! And how about Job, where that god is sitting around gambling on people's lives with the devil. And what's that one where a whole village converts to judaism so one of them can marry this woman they stole, undergoes circumcision, then her family slaughters them all while they're recovering? Only a couple of my favorites - see this is why I like the bibles in hotel rooms.
Who is standing over you with a gun, forcing you to read the Bible?
Reporting on the facts of a matter, that Lot was offering up his daughters to a homosexual mob interested in the conquest of visitors does not mean the Bible condones the behavior of Lot or the mob. We see mercy with God to those who call upon their Creator and no mercy with those who ignore their Creator such as Sodom and Gomorrah. Does the clay tell the potter what to do?
I like this guy! Angry, and unwilling to be silenced. Keep up the good fight!
I agree this is a great answer but it doesn't sound angry to me at all. Just telling it like it is!
I'm glad the Hotel Bible trend is dying. I agree that America is NOT a Christian nation. Of course now we are going to have a huge debate about this and Hotels are going to start advertising as Bible or no Bible. My thought is, in the end they will choose customers over bibles.
Enter Your CommentI beg your pardon but this is a christian nation and was founded on christian principles. Maybe you need a lesson in History
"That from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion, that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this nation under God, and that government of the people by the people and for the people shall not perish from the earth."??? Abraham Lincoln in the Gettysburg Address, November 19, 1863
No religious literature of any stripe sounds like a wise ending.
A fantastic book. The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Should be required reading. look it up
"Required reading"?? Nobody forces you to read the Gideon Bible, but *you* are going to *force* the rest of us to read this book you're talking about? Not in this lifetime, Big Brother Communist!!
Dear Sir,
I am sorry to let you know that I am not Christian and, yet, I do not feel a ???gap in my life???. And how do you know, for certain, that I will be led to nowhere fun? Why is it that the "majority of people don't know God as their savior"? You don't KNOW this...and let me say that is not a bad thing. Nobody can KNOW for certain whether or not everything is just like as self-proclaimed Christians like you suggest it is (until they???re dead...nobody you or I have met personally has come back to tell us for sure).
And please don???t accuse me of trying to shoot down your beliefs or contend that you're crazy for having them. I am not. I just think that, if you had the level of faith your post infers, you might be able admit you don't KNOW and yet continue to believe. Your tone would certainly be less self-aggrandizing. I HAVE read the bible and I still don't share your BELIEFS. But, since you bothered to present them as FACTS, I'll take the time to tell you what I believe.
I believe that you sin in the most basic, human of ways...PRIDE. Not pride in country, in God or anything else as lofty as that. I am talking about PRIDE IN SELF (the same belief in self that you decry in those who do not subscribe to your religion when you say non-believers like me are merely depending on self for truth). It's that pride in YOURSELF that prevents you from just saying, ???I BELIEVE Christianity is true even if I can???t prove it???.
And, by the way, admitting a lack of personal, ultimate knowledge (in the sense of having undeniable proof that the Christian bible is 100% true and accurate) does not even directly call into question God's existence. It???s merely an admission of human fallibility. After all, it is possible for us humans to not KNOW something for certain and for that thing to still be true.
But that???s what it comes down to. You don???t want to admit you are just another human like the rest of us. Statements like ???I know that obviously the people on here and the majority of people out there don't know God as their savior??? illustrate perfectly that you place yourself above the majority of people out there. I BELIEVE that???s your real religion (the KNOWLEDGE that YOU are BETTER than most people).
As far as Bible in hotel rooms, if I am not forced to read it, what???s the harm? If corporations choose to not stock the bible in hotel rooms in order to avoid having to stock all religious texts, what???s the harm? This is a non-issue because anybody in the US can read any text they like...so nobody is taking any opportunities out of anyone???s lives (as you suggest). And for that freedom of thought, I thank God (even though I cannot PROVE his/her existence)!
There is a term for the belieef in something that is not real/provable/disproved. its called "Delusion".
It's also called "Intangible". Like the wind, you can't photograph it but it's there nevertheless.
The harm is in the propigation of fantasy that is the root cause of every war, hundreds of millions of murders, bigotry, terrorism, etc etc. A world without religion would be an incredibly beautiful, safe, and wondrous place, where everyone focused on trugh instead of fantasy... so there IS harm in the propigation of religion. It causes us all to suffer.
So you would rather have sex items in the room that promote promiscuity and disease?
I don't get it, The bible is just a book and anyone can bring there on bible to any hotels.
The Hotels are not churches there to give people rest or just a get away. We all have different belief in life. We pray in our own way. The Hotels are doing a good thing because they are bring all people together with using what they believed in but you bring what you believed in. That's how life suppose to be without feel different religion is being forced on us. I believed in a higher being too but I think God is allot more than we can read in a book. It suppose to be how we are to each other and I mean all of god children for all religion which most of don't. Bring your own book if you need a book.
You can also bring your own hair dryer, coffee maker, mini-refrigerator, etc. if you choose. The Bible is a convenience for the traveler, just like the other items in the room. No one forces you to use any of these conveniences, but they're there if you want or need them.
I would prefer the condoms over the bible usually, except that the pages from the bible make excellent rolling papers
You are actually such a low person that you would admit using the papers from a Holy Book for a profane purpose?? You're unbelievable! "Human" beings have now sunk to a new low.
I believe in freedom of speech, and all of that. as you have the right to serve whomever you would like to. The bigger picture here is that the world has entered the last days. This debate that is going on is just a sign that the end is near. People will reject God, and turn away with itching ears to hear something that pleases the flesh. Right is right, giving away condoms, and making rooms more attractive for sexual ecounters promotes promiscuity, and irrational behavior on the part this younger crowd that has no reverence for the Word of God anyway. Conscious has been forsaken for the sake of filthy lucre. I believe that hotels changing their formats for these people promotes the mark of the beast. Something like the government wantng to have all of the records of a person's life at the conveience of swiping one card. I especially ask the Marriot chain that was founded by a Mormon, where is your faith?
I recently stayed at a Marriot hotel, and I am happy to report that they had a Bible in the room, as well as a Book of Mormon. I was glad to see the Bible, not offended in the least by the Book of Mormon, and I think this is a lot of hype that may not necessarily be so much about a trend as it is about creating contraversy where there is none.
I find it appalling that if anything comes close to a connection with christianity, the world sees it as a threat and tries to have it eradicated. Christianity is not a threat it is a choice. You can choose to or not to. Every hotel provides x rated television programming including hardcore pornography, these kinds of activities go against the very core of Christianity but again, it is a choice, true christians will never give way to this type of amenity but instead we will pick up the bible. How about banning the practice or providing x rated videos?
The bible is kept in a draw if you do not want to read it, make a choice and leave it alone for those who want to read it.
I work in hotels. I'm at work right now actually. You'd be surprised at just what kinds of people will order those dirty movies.
You raise a very interesting point. I do not like the fact that a hotel I spent my money on offers pornography that can be pumped right into my room, but is considering removing the Bible from the nightstand. It is ridiculous that a person has to have one or the other. Isn't being in the United States of America supposed to be about having choices? So just because a minority of hotel patrons find the Bible truly offensive, hotel chains are having them removed....meanwhile, the porn stays right where it is, no matter how many people might find it offensive? It's ridiculous. I long ago lost my confidence in the USA being a land of freedom and choices, and this only goes to further cement my points of view.
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