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  • Posted By: Sesshroku @ 11/18/2007 6:09:38 PM

    If the hotel is going to have a bible, why not the Quran, or the Torah? Or even the 8 Fold Path? The shift away from mainstream Christianity is a good one, because Christians need to remember this: Not everyone believes what you do, and you would do best to respect that.

  • Posted By: CalvinistHobbesian @ 11/18/2007 12:08:44 PM

    I'd like to see the bibles replaced with a copies of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Our downfall may be iminent, but it won't be from a lack of bibles, but the appalling lack of knowledge on the part of American citizens about their rights and responsibilities in our Republic.

  • Posted By: bromac @ 11/18/2007 1:41:27 AM

    not just to whom it may concern , but in fact to all becouse it concerns us all ,that the moral decline has not just sunk to this all time low but in fact there is this push toward headinism that has all but bankrupted our system and sense of ethetics and morals .. It is unfortunate that we the silent group wheather minority or majiority haas sat by and watched with our eyes wide shut and allowed this moral mud slide. The problem is not those who seem to want this decadent life style but in fact those of us who want just simply call wrong wrong , .And brother this is wrong , Im not sure what all the points of responce ought to be, but I do know that for those of us who know that the Bible is the truth, and the fundamental standerd for moral and spiritual destinction , ought not to first plan a boycot but in fact a public prayer meeting where we appoligise to GOD ,our country and our children for our neglegence ,apathy, and indifference . And maby in our prayer of repentence we ask for a renewed sense of responcibility and to rightiousness wher we dont wait on someone else to do something ,But in our own sphere of exhistance wheather in the community or on the job or maby even at the bus stop we began with God given courage ,and conviction to as the song writer said let our little light shine every where we go ,upand down the streets Im gonna let it shine let it shine let it shine let it shine . In conclusion it is no longer an issue of option or oppertunity , but in fact an issue of urgency ,and obligtion , if we are to hope the potential of another decade of life as we now know it . ie: one nation under GOD indevisible with liberty and justice for all, if you move GOD out of the senarial were just one nation under . Lets start by preying and begging GOD for forgivness ,but then lets get off our knees and stand to our feet as believers and declare unnequivacablly ,that ,America is a great nation ands has benefited wondersouly becouse of GODs sovergn grace .m But even grace has a limit . I'd like to ask that all that know and name the Name of Jesus would genuanly and boldly ,say so ,and not be ashamed .

  • Posted By: Mtn_Geek @ 11/16/2007 10:47:23 PM

    It is interesting to see how many posts here take for granted the conclusions the writer draws about a "trend" based on a handful of anecdotes and literally nothing else. The editor must be pretty desperate for "filler" around the declining ad page count in this dying enterprise to present its readers with such thin gruel. It's one more bit of anecdotal evidence of the long term decline of the dinosaur "mass media". Goodbye Newsweek.

  • Posted By: Mtn_Geek @ 11/16/2007 10:43:53 PM

    Every person or institution that is offered a Scripture has a choice to receive it at no cost or to refuse it. Because Gideons are organized at a local level, they do not maintain national statistics on how many people or institutions accept or decline our offer of free Scriptures. However, they do note that world Scripture funds and placements have increased every year since 1962. Last year, they placed over 1 million hotel Bibles, which is consistent with previous years and consistent with the need based on statistics we have on hotel rooms nationwide.


    Last year, we placed over 1 million hotel Bibles, which is consistent with previous years and consistent with the need based on statistics we have on hotel rooms nationwide.

  • Posted By: Mtn_Geek @ 11/16/2007 10:41:25 PM

    It's amusing how many of these posters take this story at face value, as if the refusal of a handful of hotels to accept the offer of free Bibles placed by the Gideons represents a "trend". Newsweek must be pretty desperate for "filler" around their shrinking number of ad pages to wasted space on such thin gruel. The Bibles cost the hotels nothing and add zero to the cost of guests, unlike virtually everything else in the room.


    Over

  • Posted By: Riolion @ 11/16/2007 7:08:53 PM

    We have found that some motel / hotel operators have discovered that the Gideon Bible often discourages thief. One Jewish motel in souther Maryland made that comments after accepting Gideon Bibles in their room after years of refusal. He claimed he lost far less to theives than ever before.

    Interesting that people become very afraid of a book in these days particularly if it goes against their aberrant lifestyle.

  • Posted By: Riolion @ 11/16/2007 7:08:07 PM

    We have found that some motel / hotel operators have discovered that the Gideon Bible often discourages thief. One Jewish motel in souther Maryland made that comments after accepting Gideon Bibles in their room after years of refusal. He claimed he lost far less to theives than ever before.

    Interesting that people become very afraid of a book in these days particularly if it goes against their aberrant lifestyle.

  • Posted By: Riolion @ 11/16/2007 7:08:01 PM

    We have found that some motel / hotel operators have discovered that the Gideon Bible often discourages thief. One Jewish motel in souther Maryland made that comments after accepting Gideon Bibles in their room after years of refusal. He claimed he lost far less to theives than ever before.

    Interesting that people become very afraid of a book in these days particularly if it goes against their aberrant lifestyle.

  • Posted By: copywizrick @ 11/16/2007 5:51:51 PM

    Check the condition of the hotel bible next time your in a room. Look at the bindings and look at the edge and see if you can tell what chapters were opened most. I've not seen one in pristine condition and I know that they get checked/replaced once a year. What stories could they tell? What comfort or encouragement was given? We'll never know, but the hotel owners should consider these 'silent witness' to the debate.
    Isnt it bad enough that rooms are sterile, institutional settings without removing the one tool that help you to personalize your experience?
    If there isnt one in your room, check with the other people in your party. If they have one, that means someone stole yours. And may God bless the reading of His word.

  • Posted By: copywizrick @ 11/16/2007 5:27:40 PM

    Look at the condition of the hotel bible next time your in a hotel room. I've rarely seen one in pristine condition. And I know that they get checked/replaced once a year. Its mute testimony that people are seeking more than condoms and the dice games outlined in Newsweeks articles. Dont find one in your room? Check to see if the other folks in your party have one, and you realize some one stole yours. To which I say God bless the reading of His word. Some one found, in a quiet moment, something they desperately needed to find.
    Which customer will have the fonder memories of the establishment?
    The one with the hangover after the one night stand ?
    Maybe the owners should investigate the condition of the 'silent witness' hiding in the drawer as part of the debate.

  • Posted By: brendamobley @ 11/16/2007 1:42:27 AM

    This article would give you the impression the people staying in hotels have given up religion and are single couples on flings. I doubt it. I suspect there are a lot of honeymooners on vacation and a lot of retired couples travelling, but what else is new? These days a young single couple wanting to tryst hardly need to rent a room or sneak around. Anyway the image of condoms vs. bibles is a false dichotomy. Besides it is pretty rude to only put the sacred text of one religion in the room when not everyone belongs to it and not everyone reads in English. Simple solution, put a computer in every room and you can go online and read the sacred text of your choice.

  • Posted By: brendamobley @ 11/16/2007 1:42:24 AM

    This article would give you the impression the people staying in hotels have given up religion and are single couples on flings. I doubt it. I suspect there are a lot of honeymooners on vacation and a lot of retired couples travelling, but what else is new? These days a young single couple wanting to tryst hardly need to rent a room or sneak around. Anyway the image of condoms vs. bibles is a false dichotomy. Besides it is pretty rude to only put the sacred text of one religion in the room when not everyone belongs to it and not everyone reads in English. Simple solution, put a computer in every room and you can go online and read the sacred text of your choice.

  • Posted By: uNkNowN xplorer @ 11/09/2007 1:13:00 AM

    In my opinion, there is nothing wrong in putting Bibles in the room. Correct me if I am wrong. This was started by the Gideons in order to make God's Word readily available and that everyone will have the opportunity to read it. It was also an evangelistic effort on their part. The person still has a choice: to accept what is written or not. it doesn't mean that when you read it, touch it or look at it you will immediatly have to become a Christian. You will have to read it and check it out and make your own choice.

    The action of putting sex equipment in place of the Bible is ironical especially a country which has Christian roots. Doesn???t incurable diseases such as AIDS tell you that we should be faithful only to one? Aren???t there authoritative reports that say that condoms are not 100%? Are the number of abandoned children decreasing? Are the orphanages growing smaller? Are the number dysfunctional families getting less? Is anger, bitterness and hurt any less after all the free sex? Are suicides any less? The list will go on and on but all this proves that sex should be enjoyed within the context of marriage and the family unit must work together to build a happy household.

    I have digressed a bit but my opinion is that putting Bibles in rooms doesn???t harm anyone. How about other religions? Go ahead and put your religious texts in the hotel rooms as well. No harm done. Let people read and make an intelligent choice.

    • Posted By: TexasJeep @ 11/15/2007 4:56:13 PM

      I agree that one should not have sex with multipule people, however... Explain to me how a loving devoted homesexual couple could enage in the act of love if you say it can should only happen in marriage?? If you responsed saying homsexuality is immoral, wrong, etc...then isn't that hate. But wait the bible says your not suppose to hate others. How does that work?

      • Posted By: pennyln @ 11/15/2007 5:21:38 PM

        Believeing homosexuality is morally wrong is in no way 'hate'. I believe it is morally wrong for people to live together before marriage. I don't hate my best friend who lives with her boyfriend. What would be hate is if I said I believed that homosexuals are somehow worth less than others, or that they are not worthy of life. That would be hateful and repugnant. That is not how most Christians feel. I believe homosexuals are worth just as much as me in Jesus' eyes, because that's what the Bible says. I hope that clears things up for you. It is possible to disagree with someone but still offer them the same love you'd offer others. And, this comes from a Christian with a gay family member, so I do have a valid perspective.

  • Posted By: TexasJeep @ 11/15/2007 4:45:55 PM

    First I would like to say that Christianity is not the only religon in the U.S....let alone the world. If it would be unfair to provide only a Christian bible, that would not be "catering" to all clientele. Second, most true religous individulas have their own bible and chances are, if you are that religous to want one in you room you have brought yours. So why should a Hotel take the time to stock one type of Bible when 90% of the people are not going to use it. Also, I think it is a great idea for hotels to offer condoms. Since the fact is, if your on vacation...your going to have fun, why not be safe about it.

  • Posted By: OblongRev @ 11/15/2007 4:29:21 PM

    I think that it is certainly the choice of the hotels to cater to their clients. I would not expect an business owner to do anything less. On that same vein, I would also expect that Christians should start asking before booking if a Bible is provided in the room. If the hotel doesn't, I would think that the Christian should tell the Hotel he/she will be booking at a hotel that caters to a Christian client; and then hang up and make another reservation elsewhere.

  • Posted By: onevoice @ 11/09/2007 12:50:00 PM

    Are people complaining about the presence of Bibles in hotel rooms? Are the rooms so chock full of stuff that the Bibles have to be removed to make room for "intimacy kits?" Rather than make a federal case out of it, I wish people that don't want to read the Bible would treat it like the complementary phone book and ignore it unless they want to use it. And as for people who don't like "Christians" and their attitudes, they are sometimes right on. But it wasn't the Bible that made them that way. Next time forget about your negative perceptions of "Christians" and just read the Bible yourself. There is no other book like it.

    • Posted By: rayandkerry @ 11/09/2007 3:26:13 PM

      I wholeheartedly agree with your second point...namely that people who don't like "Christians" and their attitudes are sometimes right on but that these attitudes were not caused by the Bible. More likely these "Christians" are that way because that's just the way those particular individuals are. Had they grown up Jewish or Muslim, they would probably have the same holier-than-thou attitudes...they'd just be touting different texts as the truth. In other words, it's not the Bible that makes people have "attitudes." People who already have attitude problems just tend to use the Bible to justify those attitudes. So those who do not believe in the Bible and have issues with "Christians" should not condemn the Bible just because some people who read it can be jerks sometimes. Plenty of people read the Bible who are not jerks, and do not go around insinuating they are better than non-believers.

      However, as to your first point, I don't think the article stated that people are removing the Bible to make room for intimacy kits. They removed the Bibles in certain hotels that cater more to young, non-religious clientele because they did not want to have to maintain texts for every religion. So it's believers of other faiths, not non-believers, who helped push that issue. As the narticle says: Providing Bibles would mean the hotel "would have to take care of every guest's belief." The intimacy kits are provided, as the article states, by "edgier chains". These corporations believe (rightly in some cases, wrongly in others) that's what their paying customers want. So both the removal of Bibles and inclusion of "intimacy kits" are separate business decisions, not a salvos in a cultural war.

      Once agin, though, I agree that the Bible (or religion) doesn't make people have attitudes. People with attitudes use the Bible to justify attitudes they likely would have had anyway.

      • Posted By: VisionStorm @ 11/10/2007 6:44:42 PM

        If it was true that Christians that are jerks are that way just because they have an attitude problem merely as individuals and the bible has nothing to do with it??? that if they were brought up in other religions they would be the same way, but about whatever other religion this might be???then we would have jerks like that in every single religion in the planet in roughly equal proportions. But we don???t. It's mostly just the Christians. Most other religions don???t care what you believe in, and when they do, they don???t feel the need to constantly smear other people???s faces on their religious texts and remind them what god(s) or religious idol(s) they should be following.

        I???ve never being stopped by anyone on the street and asked if I had found Buddha and was on the path of enlightenment, or if I had accepted Muhammad as the last prophet of God. I???ve never seen a non-Christian religious bumper sticker either.

        • Posted By: rgjk @ 11/12/2007 10:18:25 AM

          The reason Christians care is because God has stated there is a heaven and a hell. After we die, then comes judgment and from there either heaven or hell. God has said Jesus is the only way to God and God is in heaven. So if you want to know where you're spending eternity then you may want to check out what God said because all of us will be judged against the Bible. And at the judgment it will be too late to change your mind. Perhaps that is why religions don't care. Since Christianity is not a religion rather it is God coming to us and providing a way to be free from our sins against his holy word, then you might want to be sure about your decision regarding what God has to say. We do not save, but we are compelled to talk about what God has said and the consequence of what he has said as that relates to us. Last time I checked our Creator is in charge and we are simply the creation and very much loved by our Creator, which is really awesome!!!

          • Posted By: DABROAD @ 11/15/2007 1:45:56 PM

            Actually, Hell is not from the bible. Hel is the name of one of the afterlives in the norse tradition. It was adopted by the christians as a non-christian afterlife, and that idea was capitalized upon as a way to frighten new converts by saying it was a horrible place. Actually, Hel seems like kind of a nice place - sort of like the Elysian Fields. It's not Valhalla, but then you'd need to be plucked from the battleground by the Valkyries to get there.

            The Devil is also a perversion of pagan gods by christians, who were pretty notorious for convincing converts that their gods were actually demons. Still going on today - in East Africa, evangelicals are convincing converts to destroy and burn ancient artifacts and religious items that have been passed down for generations, saying its the only way to "break contracts" with demons. Seems that areas that experience massive conversions and abandonment of the old ways and beliefs tend to do pretty poorly. Perhaps the ancient gods are getting tired of the new kid on the block stealing away their people and bad mouthing them. Maybe they're using the earth to fight back. Who knows?

        • Posted By: pennyln @ 11/14/2007 2:39:48 PM

          No, they just blow you up for being an infidel.

          Christianity makes up a majority of the religious. So...it makes sense that you would meet more 'Christian' jerks than other religions, because there is a larger sampling group. Also, other religions are not instructed to spread the good news. As a Christian, the most loving thing you can do is share your faith in Christ. It is not meant to be an insult. Though I personally believe that street evangelism is ineffective, I think it is brave of those individuals to do it. I believe it to be much more effective when you have a relationship with someone before you share what is most important to you. That's just me though.

      • Posted By: Winter360 @ 11/10/2007 10:59:19 PM

        The hotels don't provide bibles, why would they? The Gideons do. Because they have too much time on their hands.

  • Posted By: DABROAD @ 11/15/2007 11:42:42 AM

    What's all the hubub, bub? If you want a bible in your room, bring your own. No one is stopping you. If the "adult kit" is in the mini bar, you shouldnt be worried about your kid finding it - you should be worried about why your kid is rooting around the minibar. If you don't want your kid to see the condoms in the bathroom, put 'em on the top shelf of the closet. If you don't want the adult kit available in the hotel gift shop, don't buy it. C'mon people - if you don't want the bible in your room, just put it outside the door, or drop it off at the front desk. Same with anything else you don't want in your room. Or, call management to have them pick it up. But it seems like extreme silliness to get all worked up about it. What bothers me with the Gideons is when they stand outside my kid's public school shoving bibles in kid's hands as they walk out the door. My kid took one to be polite, then gave it to us when he got home. I don't like the idea of anyone standing at the door of a middle school and shoving pamphlets in the kids hands, regardless of their intent. It sounds creepy to me. The school was unaware of them doing this, as they were out of sight of the school offices.

    And those of you who think it's ok because it was a "just a bible" - would it still be ok if it was a political tract? Or an advertisement? Or a free sample? How about a non-christian book? The Koran? Would you still be all for it? How about if you went to a hotel, and each room had a full library of religious literature? The IChing? A book of wiccan spells? You may not like it, but everyone doesn't believe in just one god. Not everyone who believes in one god believes it is the same one you worship. You may not like it, but not everyone agrees with the whole "end times" thing, not even every christian.

  • Posted By: ABurroughs @ 11/15/2007 11:14:41 AM

    I believe that Jesus died for us all. We choose to accept him, or not. "Choose" is the key word. We each have the right to choose. If you "choose" not to read the Bible, then don't. It is common knowledge that there is more than likely going to be a Bible in a hotel room and it most likely will be in the nightstand drawer. Leave it alone, trash it - whatever. That's your "choice". But don't infringe on my right to believe in it's validity and have it available to me, in yes a hotel room.

  • Posted By: kpenny @ 11/15/2007 8:51:49 AM

    Maybe shut up was a liitle harsh but man our kids should be allowed to pray why is it those who don't know God are offended? Shouldn't we be offended not to have bibles and not be allowed to pray? When do we get our freedom? Or someday will we go to jail for worshipping the one and only almighty God maker of heaven and earth. This is where we are headed with all those against God complaining and being offended to something that has been here for years. It would appear you are on the wrong side. What about our rights? We want to see God in our country. Will our statues have to torn down next?

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