When Pacelle heard about a charity pigeon shoot, he decided to fire back.
Comment: Wayne Pacelle personifies proactive compassion in action with his deep reverence for the lives of all creatures great and small.
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Comment: The Lord gave Christians dominion over animals, not dominance, Rainman. A king has dominion over his subjects, that doesn't mean he has the right to torture them before he eats them.
I am so hopeful that Pacelle will improve the lives of animals. I have never heard of slaughter workers being prosecuted for animal cruelty, but Pacelle has made it happen. I am so relieved that things might change. I just watched two horrific pig farm videos the other day, and I'm still sick to my stomach. I cry everytime I think about it. I can't understand how they could get away with that. My husband's friend was over, and he watched it with me. He was disgusted as well and vowed not to eat pork again. I'm grateful that Pacelle is on my side and that he is making progress. There finally is a possibility that these animals might be spared the unspeakable cruelty so many of them have already endured.
Comment: What I find interesting in reading all these posts is that no one has commented how children who hurt, torture, and/or kill animals can often grow up to be murderers if there is no intervention to address the behavior. As someone who has worked in the public school system for many years, unfortunately I have seen it happen. There is research to support this. I support Mr. Pacelle's work 100% and support all efforts to ban and outlaw animal abuses practices all in the name of money, entertainment, and sport.
Comment: To the macho, meat eating man by the name of Rainman, you're an obnoxious jerk...if you would just do a tiny bit of research, you would see that the way animals in the farming industry and warehouses are treated is horrifying, disgusting and monetarily centered. Before you stuff that fat mouth with a double cheeseburger, try to remember, oh and maybe respect, the animal it came from. I am not saying that animals were put on this earth to have the same place as humans on the food chain, but seriously, don't you think they deserve a little compassion/respect before we pump their innocent bodies full of hormones and antibiotics, before we ship them off to be brutally slaughtered? Do some research.
Comment: I believe that if Americans really knew where that 'double cheese burger' came from there would be a huge outcry - remember the dolphin/tuna change.
There is no reason that we humans have to foster such absolute abuse and cruelty - not to say disgusting methodology of breeding, raising, and slaughtering animals for our consumption. What we have done to the domesticated animals is an abomination of the highest order - anyone who has visited or seen a video of a factory farm for poultry, pork, or beef would for the most part be shocked and how the animals are raised...
As for dogs and cats - GET YOUR ANIMALS FIXED STUPID-- there is NO reason to have an intact pet - none whatsoever. I believe the AKC does not do enough to limit 'licensed' breeders. It's absolutely ridiculous to hear that organization talk about animal welfare - Anyone with a few bucks can become a breeder of "AKC" dogs.
to Eric-716...with over 6 MILLION dogs and cats put 'to sleep' each year (not counting the hundreds of thousands of dogs dumped in the woods or...shot, drowned, electrocuted, hung, etc) we could go a long long long time not needing a million breeders selling their AKC dogs... I moved to Gainesville Florida - with a population of just over 100,000 - with over 50 animals put to sleep every 6 days!!! (closed on the Lords day of course)....No spay and neuter law? Give me a break!
Comment: Please give US a break Janice! Most americans do know where our double chees comes from and we LIKE it. Animals were not "domesticated" for our pleasure but rather for food and to work for us. The only thing I agree with you on is it being wrong to abuse animals. So let's DO get them all fixed so there will be none. A little knowledge never hurts either so I'll give you some...the AKC does not regulate or control "breeders in any fashion....they merely certify pure breeding (on an honor system at that).
In your last line you show respect for the Lord...more knowledge...The Lord gave us the dominance we enjoy over this world. That by no means gives anyone the right to abuse it. So please do the pet population a favor and have your moranic ideas spayed or nuetered....Oh, and be sure to apologize to your celery when it screams as you bite it's ba...err.... neuter it........
Comment: Obviously Bennet despises purebred dogs...
Comment: Animal rights radicals like bennett would like you to believe that any and all dog breeders are substandard "puppy mills".
Also read the 12 steps of the animal rights agenda http://www.mofed.org/The%20Twelve%20Steps%20Agenda.htm
#10- 10. We strongly discourage any further breeding of companion animals, including pedigreed or purebred dogs and cats. Spay and neuter clinics should be subsidized by state and municipal governments. Commerce in domestic and exotic animals for the pet trade should be abolished.
Where will pets come from again, bennet in 10-20 years if this became true?
"Better dead than bred" is one of the animal rights slogans.
Comment: Since the AKC now makes MOST of its money registering Puppy Mill puppies, the AKC is responsible for the "downfall" of the purebred dog.
Not to mention the horrible genetic problems that purebred dogs have, including "show dogs."
Meanwhile purebred dog lobbying groups lobby against adopting, and for breeding more and more and more in the puppy mills.
Comment: If only more people would stand against, the hideous abuse and exploitation of animals like Wayne Pacelle and other animal rights/welfare organizations do, we could see some changes. What an excellent example of one person's diligence and the capability to inspire others to speak for the animals, get active and never give up. Thanks Wayne!
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Comment: One by one, family by family, community by community, we change our attitudes and behavior on behalf of non-human animals and change human culture positively. This week, and every day, be thankful for other species, our kin and allies on Earth.
Comment: Changing attitudes and behavior on behalf of non-human animals changes human culture positively, one by one, family by family, community by community. Be thankful this week, and every day, for the kinship and existence of all species on Earth.
Comment: Eric, in response to your earlier post, the Humane Society of the United States is rated a 4-star (out of 4 stars) charity by Charity Navigator.
Comment: Read my previous post again, Bennett. PAWS would have madated standards for large commercial facilities that would be difficult at best for in home breeders to meet in a home setting. To the contrary, Benett, PAWS would CONTRIBUTE to the downfall of of the purebred dog since most in home hobby breeders would be hard pressed at best to meet the requirements designed for large Commercial facilities. Subsequently, there would only be an increase in the number of animals imported from uninspected foreign facilities.
Not too smart.
Plus, facilities that are substandard in nature have long been violating existing regulations. How would more laws change this?
The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats... If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind.
Ingrid newkirk- Animals
Comment: The bill had nothing to do with small private breeders.
The bill was aimed at larger breeders.
But small private breeders decided to whip themselves into a hysterical frenzy, spread lies, and support the puppy mills.
The hobbyist breeders are helping to support the downfall of the purebred dog world. As long as hobbyist breeders keep opposing laws to crack down on puppy mills, the puppy mills destroy the image of the purebred dog.
The purebred dog world is headed for oblivion, and hobbyist breeders are helping to send it there by supporting the puppy mills (while you waste your time trying to pin the blame on humane groups.)
Not too smart.
Comment: Sentence edit:
"Ironically, if such provisions that you seemingly support were to be put into place, it would place MORE in home breeders in violation of zoning laws by having to comply with PAWS!"
Comment: The bill had alot to do with in home breeders, Bennett. PAWS would have imposed provisions that would be difficult, and too costly, for most in home breeders to meet in a home setting. Ironically, if such provisions that you seemingly support were to be put into place, it would place MORE in home breeders in violation of zoning laws! Note that this would not apply for those who had 25 or fewer cats/dogs and.or sell fewer than six litters of those animals. But this threshold of 25 and 6 sets a precedent and how will we know that that that number would not be lowered incrementally later on to make in home breeding even more difficult, or downright impossible?
Comment: Wayne pacelle's story is very heartening....the world needs more people like him who will stand up and be a voice for the animals who cannot speak for themselves. I personally would like to tan the backsides of those revolting children who "finished the birds off", and the parents, well ,is it any wonder the offspring are like they are?
Comment: The bill in 2005 had nothing to do with small, private breeders. It was a PUPPY MILL regulatory bill.
If you are trying to make a point, Eric, don't lie at least.
But the "hobbyist" breeders (to protect their friends the puppy millers) whipped themselves into a frenzy to oppose the laws by lying to each other and the public.
Eric has reproduced the LIES and GARBAGE that the "hobbyist" breeders came up with to oppose puppy mill regulation.
All lies. All garbage.
"Hobbyist" breeders support puppy mills. They support unregulated businesses. They support puppy mill abuse.
They will say ANYTHING *(including lie) to oppose rules and regulations for puppy mills by falsely claiming that such rules will affect small private breeders.
The small private breeders want the puppy mills to stay in business because the puppy mills pay for dog shows and breed club activities and purebred dog promotion.
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Comment: A federal bill that failed in 2005 for the licensing of PRIVATE Hobby breeders would have:
puts federal inspectors in private homes, an intrusion that USDA argued against in federal court;
places home breeders in violation of many residential planning and zoning codes by classifying them as dealers;
siphons USDA resources from large wholesale operations housing hundreds of animals to home breeders keeping a small number of pets;
diverts USDA focus away from the middlemen, wholesale dealers, transporters and brokers that were the original targets of the AWA;
is poorly written and thus open to broad interpretation and lawsuits;
would destroy the agency's ability to concentrate its resources on large facilities that present the greatest risk of violations;
federally regulates retail dealers, including home breeders, that are already subject to public oversight, peer review, and state and local laws that govern humane treatment of animals;
dodges a federal court decision that affirmed the right of the Secretary of Agriculture to exempt home breeders from the regulations;
is backed by animal rights groups that oppose pet breeding and have a record of using laws to harass and intimidate those who own animals;
deletes exemptions for some retail pet sellers by redefining a dealer as someone who exceeds a threshold number of litters raised and dogs sold;
will require hobby breeders to meet standards of housing and care that have not yet been written; and
fails to exempt individuals and organizations that rescue dogs and place them in new homes.
Background
Comment: How can a business make MORE money by hiding?That makes no sense. How would prospective customers know about them then?
Comment: After reading the posts from the self-designated "responsible" breeders here, it becomes clear that they're protesting a bit too much. People who proclaim loudly that they're in it for the "love" of the animals, and then oppose anti-cruelty legislation are really greaseballs. They're running businesses, and should be regulated just like any other business.
eric-716 - If your business is unlicensed and you aren't reporting your income, how would you be "drowning in an ocean of debt" on taxes you aren't paying?
This NAIA group seems worse still. This is a bunch of people who profit from animal exploitation trying to tell us civilians that they know how animals should be treated. I think they should all volunteer to trade places with the animals they're taking care of so well - especially the furriers!
Comment:
In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether
Ingrid Newkirk- Newsday
Comment: Hobby breeders ARE businesses who are making money UNDER THE TABLE.
And thanks to groups like NAIA and people like Patti Strand who have exposed their activities, it is now clear that we need to take a good look at these breed clubs and federations and the individuals running these businesses.
Are they licensed? Are they paying taxes? Are they breaking dog limit laws? Are they breaking zoning laws?
Patti Strand and NAIA have pointed a big red arrow at these underground businesses.
Comment: Surely the most senseless statement I have seen is "Wouldn't you think that, if breeders who are businesses were not paying their income taxes, that they would be drowning in an ocean of debt and penalties of hundreds of dollars, and subsequently, be unable to stay in business?"
Not if they aren't reporting their income and are HIDING their businesses!
They make MORE money because they don't pay TAXES.
Like drug dealers and organized crime.
Comment: "They run unlicensed businesses and don't pay taxes on income"
That is because HOBBY breeders are not businesses and who do not earn salaries by breeding. Wouldn't you think that, if breeders who are businesses were not paying their income taxes, that they would be drowning in an ocean of debt and penalties of hundreds of dollars, and subsequently, be unable to stay in business?
???They sell genetically defective dogs, and don't pay vet bills but promise a "free" puppy later on
Genetic screening for their animals is widely available and utilized by breed enthusiasts:
http://www.workingdogs.com/genetics.htm
http://www.healthgene.com/canine/breeds.asp
I???ve taken a liking to attaching animal rights quotes at the end of each post too:
My whole goal is for humans to have as little contact as possible with animals.
- Associated Press (December 7, 1998) Gary Yourofsky, Humane Education lecturer
Comment: And large commercial puppy mill kennels are in EVERY STATE IN THIS COUNTRY, most of them unlicensed and operating in secret.
(Many are selling to pet stores and don't have USDA licensing, but go unpunished for breaking federal laws
Or they escape that by selling online. There are no requirements for licensing if puppies are sold online, a common practice of the millers to hide operations and profits.)
There are few state laws for licensing because the puppy millers and AKC and "responsible breeders" oppose laws and licensing.
Greed and selfishness let the suffering continue.
Comment: "Responsible breed enthusausts" are business people who promote and sell purebred dogs.
Their dog shows and breed club activities are paid for with AKC puppy mill reistration money.
Purebred dogs are riddled with genetic defects because of inbreeding (yes, the "show dog breeders")
They don't alter puppies before sale, and their altering contracts are legally useless.
They sell genetically defective dogs, and don't pay vet bills but promise a "free" puppy later on
Their breeds clubs engage in lobbying against anti-cruelty laws to protect profits
They run unlicensed businesses and don't pay taxes on income
They have breeds clubs that elect the owner of the BIGGEST PUPPY MILL BROKER IN THE U.S. (with a history of complaints and abuses) to breed club membership.
The "responsible breed enthusiasts" are far from ethical or responsible.
Comment: The USDA has a long history of FAILURE to enforce regulations. Even USDA inspectors have come forward to expose USDA cover-ups of abusive breeders and criminal breeder activities.
The USDA has put itself in the position of ENABLING puppy mills.
And MOST breeders are not USDA licensed, anyway.
Comment: NAIA is a puppy mill lobbying group that opposes any and all rules about animal care and breeding.
NAIA also supports animal abuse, and has had relatives of animal abusers on its board.
NAIA also calls mongels "defective mutts" that should be killed.
Comment: If NAIA is opposed to any form of regulation, how come they have a model law that defines neglect as "An overt act involving failure to provide for animal health or safety, including but not limited to
failure to provide adequate food, water, shelter, exercise, or necessary veterinary care to an animal or to
adequately confine an animal in a manner appropriate to its species, breed, age, and condition".?
http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/NAIA%20Model%20Animal%20Control%20Law%20Final.pdf
Comment: How come you never answer any of my questions Bennett? Responsible breed enthusiasts should not be confused with "puppy mills", which are the substandard ones. Generally, if AKC discovers such a facility, they will suspend their registration abilities and notify the appropriate authorities. Operations that are commercial in nature are required to be USDA licensed, and if USDA inspectors discover poor animal care/neglect, that facility will have its licenses under the Animal Welfare Act suspended or revoked and be fined. Few states have kennel licensing and inspections programs because few states are home to large numbers of commercial kennels that produce a high volume of animals for sale as pets
To the contrary, dog breed enthusiasts, are those who ...,
* They breed and raise dogs in their homes, typically keeping one or two (sometimes three) breeds of dogs in the house or in a clean kennel.
* Their dogs appear healthy and well-socialized.
* Their breeding stock meets the standard of excellence for the breed and is screened for genetic diseases and structural problems prior to producing a litter.
* They study their chosen breeds and make decisions with breed structure, health, and temperament in mind.
* They offer a contract that protects the puppy and the buyer as well as the breeder.
* They participate in breed activities, including dog shows to assess the quality of potential breeding dogs and tests and trials to assess performance ability, and help puppy buyers get involved in these endeavors.
* They join dog clubs and participate in club projects ranging from public education programs and dog training classes to dog shows.
Comment: Abuse and neglect and cruelty are common "business" practices of puppy millers, who raise animals as cheaply as possible to maximize profits.
No vet treatment, insufficient shelter, no heat, no cooling, no ventilation, overcrowding, no socialization, no excercise, and more.
Puppy millers make lots of money, and they also cheat consumers with sick and defective puppies.
But because there are so few laws and regulations, they get away with animal abuse and cheating people.
Because they hide their businesses and so few are licensed and inspected, the abuse and neglect and death are hidden from customers.
Many highly profitable animal businesses are built on a foundation of abuse and cruelty, because little to nothing is spent on proper, humane care to MAXIMIZE INCOMES.
It is simply cheaper and more profitable to abuse and neglect.
Comment: "Hobby" breeders are a con.
Although they claim not to make money, they most certainly are.
They run undocumented, unlicensed businesses and do not report income (which is much larger than they claim.)
They claim "deductions" for expenses like "taking time off from work to raise a litter of puppies" but they don't file with tax authorities to determine whether or not these are acceptable deductions.
"Hobbyist" breeders are also frequently breaking local dog limit laws, health code violations, zoning laws, business licensing laws- all in the name of keeping businesses off-the-books and secret.
And untaxed.
Comment: And if one actually thinks about it, many who breed pets do it largely as a HOBBY, and make VERY LITTLE, if anything at all, from it at all. Name someone who became a millionaire by breeding dogs, or cornsnakes? Most expenses that are earned have to go towards housing, food, and other things needed for routine care.
Comment: Why is earning a profit from using or owning animals a bad thing? How is it different than making money in any other occupation. If I were to start a business which sold faulty computer software for example, how long do you think I would be in business? Certainly the same would be so with animals, if someone's animals were being abused/neglected/whatever, that they would LOSE money and customers. Do you those people to do their jobs for free? Also, please provide some proof that all dog breeders are not paying their taxes and are illegal.
Comment: Animal agriculture is in the Dark Ages.
Barbaric, outdated practices are used simply because farmers slide along in the same rut doing the same thing for lack of education and lack of effort.
It isn't "science" that backs up these barbaric, antique farm practices. It is MONEY. Greed.
As well as a backwards ignorance among people who just refuse to improve practices or learn new things.
Or care properly for their animals.
Strangling pigs on a backhoe is barbaric. And yet "farmers" and the vets who work for them defend practices such as this.
Using downer cows introduces DISEASE into the food supply. Yet farmers stridently insist on slaughtering downed and sick animals. And endanger the public.
How many meat recalls have we had recently? How many children getting sick or dying from eating contaminated meat?
Farming is failing, miserably.
It is time for the farming community to move their BUSINESS into the current century, with up-to-date, humane practices that not only decrease suffering but also improve safety and decrease disease risk.
Time for farming to crawl out of the Dark Ages.
Comment: jschristensen, the Humane Society of the United States is not trying to end animal agriculture, only reform it and educate people. The kind of traditional agriculture you are thinking of only exists on small family farms these days. Part of what the Humane Society of the United States is doing is supporting those humane farms through its "Certified Humane" program, which helps identify ethical meat producers to their customers.
Factory farming is NOT farming, it is simple production with no regard to the animal welfare. Miserable, sick animals still have babies, just like humans in war zones and in times of famine do. That is why factory farm industries do not need to treat their livestock with compassion; they'll produce just fine if you feed them enough drugs to keep them alive until slaughter.
Comment: Animal agriculture is a vocation shared by individuals who not only call animal husbandry their "job", but is rather a calling shared by those who have committed themselves to a way of life. This way of life is built on a foundation of hundreds of years of science that has helped America's farmers raise animals in the way that they will best thrive. The majority of these farmers do not have degrees from Yale, but rather agriculture degrees in such disciplines as animal science, dairy science, and farm operations. Science based. The "barbaric" thing to do would be to forget that the livelihood of America's farmers depends on the livelihood of the animals that they raise and to place the future of the world's protein supply in the hands of an activist group.
Comment: Animal agriculture is a vocation shared by individuals who not only call animal husbandry their job, but rather commit their lives to feeding the world. They do this by employing what hundreds of years of science has taught us about what situations animals thrive the best under. Many of these individuals obtain degrees in things like animal science, dairy science, and farm operations, so that they can remain on the cutting edge of the world of animal husbandry. The "barbaric" thing would be to forget that the livelihood of America's farmers depends on the livelihood, the health of their animals and place the future of the world's food in the hands of an activist group like HSUS.
Comment: And whenever you see these people emphasizing "pet ownership" or you see the "responsible dog owner" groups- those are the FOR-PROFIT BREEDERS!
They consider animals to be property that they can abuse and kill at will, with no rules or regulations.
Some are dog fighters, some are AKC breeders, some are puppy millers, but they all share one thing in common.
PROFITING FROM ANIMALS, and they don't want any anti-cruelty laws or rules to stop the money.
(They also don't want the government to find out about their illegal businesses and the fact that they are NOT paying taxes. Another reason they don't want regulation.)
So they make up stories about humane groups that want to crack down on the abuse and get anti-cruelty laws passed.
These dog breeders even claim that animal shelters "make money!" and they try to shut down animal shelters that might be "competition" for purebred dog sales.
Meanwhile the dog breeders are hiring lobbying firms to send press releases, raise money, to fight any kinds of anti-cruelty laws or rules.
They spew out the false propaganda about "breed extinction." They will say anything, tell any lie to stop rules and laws.
The President of the AKC meanwhile makes more than $600,000 a year. And there's more AKC executives raking in the money. The money comes from puppy mill registrations.
Wonder why dog breeders oppose rules and regulations?
The purebred dog breeding world is built on a foundation of abuse and cruelty.
Money from animal abusers pays the bills for purebred dog "fancy" promotion and sales.
They don't want to cut off that income.
Comment: Yes, here the dog breeders go again.
The Activist Cash propaganda site is OWNED AND RUN by Rick Berman of CCF (Center for Consumer Freedom.)
The Big Tobacco lobbyist. The liquor industry lobbyist. The pro-animal abuse lobbyist.
http://www.consumerdeception.com
It's all about the (untaxed!) money for these dog breeders and their animal-abusing friends! The shady business of dog breeding and more.
And that is why they reach out to Rick Berman and CCF to help provide the lies and smear against humane groups.
(As do the dog fighters and the bird fighters and other assorted criminals and abusers)
Comment: Yes, jtucker62. Donations that go to H$U$ are more likely to spent on their own press releases, fundraising schemes (as much as 53% I hear and a D- rating in Worth magazine), and lobbying for restrictive legislation that makes pet ownership less fun, more difficult, and expensive.
???We have no ethical obligation to preserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding ...One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding.???
Comment: Just what the world needs: more propaganda from Wayne Pacelle of the Humane Society of the U.S. This self-serving bio should have been paid advertising.
Comment: So are you denying what he says is true? Do you think he made the story up? I know, it's hard to imagine that such useless scum, exists. By the way, no course of action for change has EVER occurred without the use of Propaganda. SO when propaganda is used for a good just cause it is AWESOME.
Comment: Americans pride themselves on being so advanced, and yet we still have barbaric practices when it comes to dealing with animals. We will never move forward as a nation as long as we continue to abuse those who cannot defend themselves. It's time to wake up and look at the reality straight in the face. I get tired of people telling me, "No, I don't want to see those pictures, they would upset me too much," but are unwilling to make any changes in their life to minimize the suffering they know exists. I too became vegan once I became aware of the atrocities being committed against our fellow earthlings.
Comment: It's really hard to imagine that there are people so ignorant and useless, that they get their kicks from shooting and stomping on injured birds. These people are such backwards, cowardly scum, that the only way they feel they can execute power in this world is by hurting defenseless birds . But I believe in Karma. And they will get what's coming to them. They should have their heads checked for serious self confidence issues. On the other end of the spectrum, it is so wonderful that these issues are getting attention, and I thank God every night for the wonderful people's who make it happen., and who's voices are speaking for our animal friends, and who make it happen. I was recently at a horse drawn carriage ban protest in NYC and it was heart warming to see the number of people who came out from all walks of life. Thank you for the article, and your dedication.
Comment: I have heard about this pigeon shooting festival and am still horrified that it continues. God bless the Humane Society and PETA for being voices to animals. I was always a meat eater, and have cut down on my consumption of it for health reasons, but this year after reading about horrific animal abuses at factory farms in books such as "Skinny ***" have decided to go vegan. i truly believe that if Americans really knew what went on in factory farms and slaughterhouses the majority of the country would go vegan. Thank you for the article.
Comment: Peace on earth will include peace for all creation: people,animals, plants, the works! Thank goodness, HSUS is helping to open eyes and hearts to this possibility by extending our compassion beyond humanity and to our fellow members of creation in the animal kingdom.
Comment: Yes, here the dog breeders go again.
The Activist Cash propaganda site is OWNED AND RUN by Rick Berman of CCF (Center for Consumer Freedom.)
The Big Tobacco lobbyist. The liquor industry lobbyist. The pro-animal abuse lobbyist.
http://www.consumerdeception.com
It's all about the (untaxed!) money for these dog breeders and their animal-abusing friends! The shady business of dog breeding and more.
And that is why they reach out to Rick Berman and CCF to help provide the lies and smear against humane groups.
(As do the dog fighters and the bird fighters and other assorted criminals and abusers)
Comment: Only the facts:
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_blackeye.cfm/oid/136
Comment: Great article about NAIA and AKC sleaze, as well as their friends the various Pet Breeder Associations (the puppy millers!)
http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/PostDetail.aspx?bp=2820
Comment: Eric, the fact that you seize upon my typo (NAIC instead of NAIA) speaks to the weakness of your position. Please work harder.
Comment: Creativelabs,
Of course they haven't. They are insurance commissioners....
Comment: Eric, I think you might consider embarking on a little research project of your own. NAIC has never endorsed a single measure to regulate puppy mills. Besides that, it is friendly with such groups as Friends of Fur, Liam's Hunting Directory (foxhunting group), Marine Mammal Hunting, Fur Commission USA, Fur Institute of Canada, National Trappers Association, Outdoor Amusement Business Association (circus group), Feld Entertainment (Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus, which is being sued for animal abuse http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/358571/ringling_brothers_circus_facing_charges.html?page=2), Pro Rodeo (rodeo group), EcoNot (an anti-environmental group)...the list goes on and on. Oh, and its board has included Joan Berosini, the wife of Bobby Berosini, notorious for beating orangutans who performed in his Las Vegas act (video here http://video.aol.com/video-detail/animal-abuse-bobby-berosini-torturing-beating-orangutans/1637531119). P.S. the authenticity of the recording was upheld in a court of law.
Comment: And NAIA also quotes from lobbyist Rick Berman and CCF
The Big Tobacco lobbyist. The liquor industry lobbyist. The pro-animal abuse lobbyist.
http://www.consumerdeception.com
It's all about the (untaxed!) money for NAIA! The shady business of dog breeding and more.
Comment: NAIA is a PRO-animal abuse organization.
It PRETENDS to be an animal welfare organization to try to con money out of people, but NAIA supports animal abuse and profiteering.
Patti Strand (of NAIA) is a LOBBYIST for the PUPPY MILL INDUSTRY.
Patti Strand is also on the Puppy Mill committee of AKC, and she is one of the reasons that AKC now makes eighty percent of it's income from registering puppy mill dogs. All that puppy mill blood money pays for those dog shows and other vanities! (Patti Strand is also an AKC judge.)
NAIA and Patti Strand and her cronies are in the business of promoting purebred dog sales, and hurting shelters and adoption programs. Patti Strand and her band of dog breeders (and other affiliates) call mixed breeds dogs, for example, "defective mutts that should be killed." Since the HSUS has exposed puppy mill cruelty, and asks for rules and laws for dog breeders, Patti Strand and other NAIA members smear HSUS and other humane groups at every opportunity.
One tactic they use is the smear tactic of calling humane groups "terrorists." Meanwhile, Patti Strand and her NAIA members are running unlicensed businesses and not reporting income and not paying taxes.
Money is the root concern of NAIA, as well as hurting pet adoption programs and people who work in humane groups, and manipulating people to buy from puppy mills and purebred dog breeders.
Comment: I think it's sad that HSUS and other organizations are wasting time and money helping make animals "feel better" before they are slaughtered for food (e.g., "bigger cages").
Kind of like giving a warm cup of hot chocolate to people lined up to enter a gas chamber.
Wayne isn't aiming high enough.
Comment: Do your research Bennett. Here are NAIA's position statements on everything relating to dogs:
http://naiaonline.org/about/policy_dogs.htm
I'm assuming that most people on here can read (hopefully). With this said, I'll leave it that and let viewers decide for themselves: straight from the horse's mouth or your seemingly angry diatribe.
Comment: Do your research Bennett. Here are NAIA's position statements on everything relating to dogs:
http://naiaonline.org/about/policy_dogs.htm
I'm assuming that most people on here can read.
Comment: I myself grew up loving animals. It just seemed that it was meant to be. The idea that they were important enough to be here meant that they indeed are special and serve a purpose. Not one of torture or the fact that people eat their flesh. Far from this. It has always bothered me that people feel it is okay to treat a creature in some of the most barbaric ways and not think anything about it. What does that say about the human race?
I think that the HSUS has done a great deal to make changes for all animals. This is one of the biggest animal organizations in the U.S., along with the other organizations that are trying to change the lives of animals. But the fact remains, if humans have to admit to what they do as torture, they would then have to stop doing it. They would have to stop eating their flesh, and they aren't about to do this. They love the taste of flesh to much.
Keep up the good work HSUS. We need more organizations like yours!
Comment: Wayne Pacelle is one of the most thoughtful, intelligent, and compassionate people I have grown to enjoy and respect. Thank you for the insight into how Wayne got to where he is. I'm so grateful for people like him, and others who are NOT afraid to stand up against cruelty to other beings.
Comment: It's not surprising that the posters who are critical of the HSUS are mouthpieces for well-known puppy mill proponents. As Americans become more aware of the unregulated trade in puppies and are appropriately outraged, those who profit from puppy mills are becoming desperate and lashing out with ridiculos fabrications.
Comment: You can get a good taste of what dog breeders (and other profiteers) stoop to by posts like erics. They will make up any lie, any fabrication to fight off laws or rules or even anti-cruelty laws.
They want to keep operating in the dark, with absolutely no oversight at all. They want to keep selling sick puppies. They want to keep abusing dogs in puppy mills. They want to keep fighting dogs. They want to keep breeding and selling dogs off the books and tax-free. And they don't care if millions of dogs die every year. They don't care if dogs get abused. As long as they can run their dog shows, promote their breeds, make their cash. And much as in the McCarthy era, they sit at their computers for day after day and rant about humane groups and people involved in dog rescue or sheltering, and they vow to stop adoption programs and hurt the humane community. They fabricate lies, rumors. They build upon paranoid delusions. They hire lobbyists to lie for them. They try to keep the status quo of abuse and suffering, because animals mean money to them.
Comment: Answer this benett: If the mandatory sterilization of dogs were to be enacted, then where would all of our dogs come from in 10-20 years from that time?????
Comment: Thank you Mr. Pacelle for such great leadership with the HSUS! I have been a member of the HSUS for a longtime and will continue to be because of the progress and dedication your organization has shown. Thank you for advocating for ALL animals - companion animals, farm animals, wildlife, etc....Thank you for all that you do!
Comment: I watched a program the other night that asserted that the ice age 15,000 years ago spelled doom to large fauna in North and Sounth America. That is clearly false. It has been accepted as fact that the arrival of humans on those continents 17,000 years ago cooincided with the disapearance of large fauna such as the giant sloth and wooly mammoth. It takes a species 50,000 years to adjust to a new species or predator. In Africa animals had the advantage of comingly with these "cunning predators" for over 100,000 years. They adapted to us. In the Americas they didn't have a chance. With the rapid rise in human populations we are squeezing what "wildlife" is left into smaller and smaller boxes. Exploitation is rampant and current projections of extinctions wild populations will leave the majority of wildlife to rodents and crows. You can feel hopeful about the progress of "humane legislation" but you're whistling in the dark. I am frustrated with these cheery outlooks. Tell the truth: According to current data every natural environment wroldwide is in decline and in most cases that decline would be considered critical approaching collapse. If all we have to look forward to is more (happy) livestock and pets you can count me out.
Is there an answer to this disaster. Yeah there is. Climate change. Accorking to a large contingent of climatoligists there will only be 20% of the humans alive at the end of this century as there are now. It is sad to admit it but only through the steep decline of human population will there be an opportunity for other life on Earth.
Comment: Animal rights activists posting on here seem to believe (and want YOU to believe) that the use of any animal for any reason constitutes as "abuse and exploitation driven solely by profit". How ridiculous. Here is the difference between animal rights and animal welfare.
ANIMAL WELFARE
Animal Welfare, as defined by the American Veterinary Medical Association, is a human responsibility that encompasses all aspects of animal well-being, including proper housing, management, disease prevention and treatment, responsible care, humane handling, and, when necessary, humane euthansia.
Animal welfare proponents seek to improve the treatment and well-being of animals.
Animal welfare proponents believe that humans can interact with animals in entertainment, industry, sport and recreation, and industry, but that the interaction should include provisions for the proper care and management for all animals involved.
Animal welfare proponents support self-regulation of animal sports, including rodeo, polo, three-day eventing, FFA competitions, horse racing, field trials and endurance riding.
Animal welfare groups utilize scientific evidence to base animal care and handling guidelines.
ANIMAL RIGHTS
Animal Rights is a philosophical view that animals have rights similar or the same as humans. True animal rights proponents believe that humans do not have the right to use animals at all. Animal rights proponents wish to ban all use of animals by humans.
Animal rights proponents support laws and regulations that would prohibit rodeos, horse racing, circuses, hunting, life-saving medical research using animals, raising of livestock for food, petting zoos, marine parks , breeding of purebred pets and any use of animals for industry, entertainment, sport or recreation.
Animal rights proponents believe that violence, misinformation and publicity stunts are valid uses of funding donated to their tax-exempt organizations for the purpose of helping animals.
Arson, vandalism and assault are common tactics used by underground animal rights groups to further the animal rights cause. Groups such as the Animal Liberation Front, which have been classified as terrorist by the FBI, routinely use criminal activities to further their cause.
Comment: More on Rick Berman and CCF (Center For Consumer Freedom)
Yes, this is the man that NAIA and AKC DOG BREEDERS are here quoting and providing links to as they attempt to use Rick Berman's words to smear HSUS.
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=8984
"His activities continue to be less about educating consumers than about safeguarding industry profits."
And so too for dog breeders. And why they hate humane groups of all kinds,m including HSUS.
Comment: Consumerdeception.com is run by a CONSUMER group, because Rick Berman also smears food safety groups, nutrition interests, health groups- anyone who might expose the truth about the huge corporate industries that Rick Berman takes millions of dollars from.
Rick Berman and CCF are all about the money, much like the dog breeding industry. Which is why dog breeders quote Rick Berman and CCF.
Comment: Consumerdeception is a PETA run site. So much for credibility there....
Comment: Keep spinning, bennett.
Comment: And why do the dog breeders all hate humane groups? Because the dog breeders are all running underground, off-the-books businesses. No licenses. No reported income. Not paying taxes. Usually breaking local zoning laws and health codes and dog limit laws.
They make a LOT of money under the table, and they want to keep it that way.
Selling dogs and puppies. Stud fees. Boarding. Training. Dog show activities. Handling and showing.
They also benefit from puppy mill registration fees generated by the AKC, which is what pays for all those dog shows and breed clubs and purebred dog promotion.
So these self-described reputable breeders hate humane groups or anyone who wants to see better regulations, laws to protect the dogs and consumers, crackdowns on puppy mills, and anti-cruelty laws that might impinge on their secret incomes and expose their businesses.
It's all about the money.
Where to find all these anti-humane dog breeders? They are in your state. The NAIA members, breed clubs, federations of breed clubs, responsible dog owner groups (code for for-profit dog breeders), AKC legislative liasions. They are all madly fighting against any kind of rules or regulations, fighting to keep the puppy mills in business, fighting to stay off the books, fighting to stay unlicensed, smearing humane groups of every kind.
And take a close look at these breeders. Where are the business licenses? Where are the tax payments? How many dogs do they really have? How many litters are they really producing?, It's all hush hush.
Comment: And many of these dog breeders are connected to Rick Berman of CCF fame (who not only receives millions of dollars to smear humane groups on behalf of animal killing businesses, but also smears MADD for the liquor industry.)
Rick Berman owns and runs all these sites like animal scam, and all the others that smear humane groups.
Big money corporate animal killers who will say or do anything to keep abusing and killing.
And the AKC people and dog breeders magically quote Rick Berman and CCF and try to get people to view his propaganda.
Funny, isn't it? All the animal profiteers sound alike.
For more on Rick Berman and CCF (he also does dirty deeds for Big Tobacco) check out consumerdeception.com
Comment: And here we have yet another NAIA member eric, spreading the usual smear about HSUS and other humane groups. It's the same smear and same lies, year in and year out.
Funny how Patti Strand's friends the dog breeders all found their way here!
And whom do they point people to? Why, more propaganda from Patti Strand, paid lobbyist for the PUPPY MILL INDUSTRY.
Patti Strand is also on the Puppy Mill committee of AKC, and she is one of the reasons that AKC now makes eighty percent of it's income from registering puppy mill dogs. All that puppy mill blood money pays for those dog shows and other vanities! (Patti Strand is also an AKC judge.) NAIA and Patti Strand are in the business of promoting purebred dog sales, and hurting shelters and adoption programs. Patti Strand and her band of dog breeders (and other affiliates) call mixed breeds dogs, for example, "defective mutts that should be killed." Since the HSUS has exposed puppy mill cruelty, and asks for rules and laws for dog breeders, Patti Strand and other NAIA members smear HSUS and other humane groups at every opportunity. One tactic they use is the smear tactic of calling humane groups "terrorists." Meanwhile, Patti Strand and her NAIA members are running unlicensed businesses and not reporting income and not paying taxes. Money is the root concern of NAIA, as well as hurting adoption programs and manipulating people to buy from puppy mills and purebred dog breeders.
Comment: http://www.animalscam.com
Comment: I'm glad to see that at least a few (etbmfa and Waltah) on here are able to see what the H$U$ truly is and see their animal rights agenda. If the animal rights people here want deception and corruption, they need not look any further than their own H$U$. What about the LA Attorney General's investigation into H$U$'s misuse of funds collected from the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts? H$U$ also got caught with their hand in the cookie jar yet AGAIN when they sent out a press release (which by the way, is where your donations are more likely to go instead of actually helping or caring for any animals) claiming donations would go towards the care of Michael Vick's dogs when THEY DID NOT HAVE THE DOGS. How's that for deception????
Here's another good article that exposes the truth about H$U$
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_7172876
Comment: Wow, what a turnaround - how does the Wayne of today who now says he felt a kinship with animals for as long as he can remember square with the Wayne of yesterday who said:
???I don???t have a hands-on fondness for animals???To this day I don???t feel bonded to any non-human animal. I like them and I pet them and I???m kind to them, but there???s no special bond between me and other animals.??? Wayne Pacelle quoted in Bloodties: Nature, Culture and the Hunt by Ted Kerasote, 1993, p. 251.
Comment: I'm glad to see that at least a few (etbmfa and Waltah) on here are able to see what the H$U$ truly is and see their animal rights agenda. If the animal rights people here want deception and corruption, they need not look any further than their own H$U$. What about the LA Attorney General's investigation into H$U$'s misuse of funds collected from the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts? H$U$ also got caught with their hand in the cookie jar yet AGAIN when they sent out a press release (which by the way, is where your donations are more likely to go instead of actually helping or caring for any animals) claiming donations would go towards the care of Michael Vick's dogs when THEY DID NOT HAVE THE DOGS. How's that for deception????
Here's another good article that exposes the truth about H$U$
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_7172876
Comment: Pacelle writes:
"Since 1990, I've been part of 20 successful ballot-initiative campaigns to end the abuse of animals."
It's commendable of Pacelle and others to work so hard at these reforms, but to be honest here, legal reforms alone rarely end animal abuse; most reforms only mitigate or circumscribe the abuse.
Veganism is the only path to ending animal abuse, and my hope is that HSUS will complement its legislative work with even more vegan outreach than ever before. It may be a more effective strategy in the long run.
Comment: Sheldon and others who are arguing over uses of HSUS funds and the fact that they don't run their own brand of animal shelters are ignoring the fact that what the HSUS does most importantly is help fund policy to create laws protecting animals! Since when is running animal shelters the only possible way to protect animals? Do you people have any idea how many hours Wayne has spent supporting new policy and testifying in front of congress? He's doing the single most important thing that shelters cannot possibly do: making it safer for our animals with LAWS and POLICY!
And if you don't like what they do, why are you giving them "your money?" That's a ridicules argument! If you don't happen to like what the HSUS does, then financially support another organization. But I firmly believe that any educated and empathetic human being who does their research on the HSUS will realize what an incredible organization they are. Wayne puts his life on the line, literally, to protect animals, to question his morality and character is a cheap and pathetic attempt at rationalizing the abuse of animals.
Comment: It's really exciting to see all the people who are ready to fight back the instant they see propaganda posted by operatives of the anti-animal rights groups.
But it still never ceases to amaze me that people think they can demonize the Humane Society. If it wasn't so unbelievably corrupt it'd be funny. The Humane Society - those big, bad evil defenders of puppies. Those rotten stinkers who want chickens to be able to turn around. They must be stopped!
Seriously, how do you sorry examples of bankrupt, soulless monsters even BEGIN to sleep at night?
Comment: It's really exciting to see all the people who are ready to fight back the instant they see propaganda posted by operatives of the anti-animal rights groups.
But it still never ceases to amaze me that people think they can demonize the Humane Society. If it wasn't so unbelievably corrupt it'd be funny. The Humane Society - those big, bad evil defenders of puppies. Those rotten stinkers who want chickens to be able to turn around. They must be stopped!
Seriously, how do you sorry examples of bankrupt, soulless monsters even BEGIN to sleep at night?
Comment: Sheldon, the HSUS affiliates with humane societies across the country regularly. One need only look back as far as California wildfires to find information on the HSUS disaster response team's efforts to support the San Diego SPCA, the Escondido Humane Society, and other local animal shelters in areas affected by the fire. Moreover, the sparkling new facilities built in southern Mississippi and Louisiana came about following post-Katrina grants of millions of dollars funneled from the HSUS to local organizations. It sounds like you have been relying on the Center for Consumer Freedom for your information. See http://www.hsus.org/pets/animal_shelters/what_the_hsus_does_for_shelters/ for more information on the HSUS's relationship with local shelters. (And, by the way, I have no affiliation with the HSUS although I am a volunteer for my local animal shelter in Oregon.)
Comment: What is Pennsylvania thinking to still allow live pigeon shoots? I remember hearing about them in the 90's and thought that they were long gone. Once you see an image from one of those shoots, you never forget it.
Comment: Look -- I don't know anything about these other groups. But it does bother me that HSUS doesn't run any PET shelters. It's not affiliated with any local "humane societies." It looks to me like the group just capitalizes on the confusion created by its own name. That's not too honorable. I give money to my LOCAL humane society, not this gargantuan lobby group.
Comment: It's unbelievable that pigeon shoots are still legal in PA. Wildlife kiilling contests should banned across the country. Good for HSUS and other animals protection groups for trying to stop these senseless events and for trying to stop factory farming, the fur trade and other abusive industries.
Comment: Waltah is another dog breeder affiliated with NAIA who breeds dogs for sale and sells through the internet. All these unlicensed dog breeders profit from unreported income, and they don't like humane groups that want dog breeders to be licensed and inspected and follow rules. These dog breeders also benefit from puppy mill sales, either directly or through the AKC involvement. Dog breeding is an underground, illicit business in this country and the dog breeders want to keep it that way! So they smear any humane group that is exposing the puppy mills and breeder cruelty and calling for reform.
Comment: And as for etbmfa? She is a member of NAIA. What is NAIA? A group run by Patti Strand, who is a paid lobbyist for the PUPPY MILL INDUSTRY. Patti Strand is also on the Puppy Mill committee of AKC, and she is one of the reasons that AKC now makes eighty percent of it's income from registering puppy mill dogs. All that puppy mill blood money pays for those dog shows and other vanities! (Patti Strand is also an AKC judge.) NAIA and Patti Strand are in the business of promoting purebred dog sales, and hurting shelters and adoption programs. Patti Strand and her band of dog breeders (and other affiliates) call mixed breeds dogs, for example, "defective mutts that should be killed." Since the HSUS has exposed puppy mill cruelty, and asks for rules and laws for dog breeders, Patti Strand and other NAIA members smear HSUS and other humane groups at every opportunity. One tactic they use is the smear tactic of calling humane groups "terrorists." Meanwhile, Patti Strand and her NAIA members are running unlicensed businesses and not reporting income and not paying taxes. Money is the root concern of NAIA, as well as hurting adoption programs and manipulating people to buy from puppy mills and purebred dog breeders.
Comment: Who leaves all the anti-HSUS comments? Easy! The individuals, corporations, and lobbies that MAKE MONEY from using, abusing, torturing animals. The livestock industry, hunters, furriers, dog breeders, you name it. They even have lobbyists that earn millions to smear humane groups. One of them is this guy at consumerdeception.com (he also smears MADD for the liquor industry.) All these animal-profiteering lobbies want to keep their hands on their blood money, so they smear the groups that expose the cruelty and suffering. And they crawl out from under rocks to spread the smear any time organizations like HSUS get mentioned.
Comment: Every cause will have its enemies, but reading these comments it bothers me that the enemies of kindness feel so free to lie. Why can't we have a rational conversation? The HSUS operates its own network of sanctuaries coast to coast, providing care and homes to more animals than any other national animal protection organization in the United States. Their bi-monthly magazine and website, Animal Sheltering, and www.animalsheltering.org, are widely considered to be the most comprehensive resources for shelter professionals. The HSUS has a cooperative buying service to provide discounts to shelters on a wide variety of products and services. Plus, the HSUS assists in the rebuilding of animal shelters damaged in disasters, and supplements local budgets for unexpected disaster expenses. Post-Katrina, these support efforts have channeled millions of urgently-needed dollars to local animal shelters. Anyone can say anything about the organization, but you???ll find the true story at http://www.hsus.org/pets/ .
Comment: etbma, the Humane Society of the United States DOES run a shelter; the Cleveland Armory Black Beauty Ranch. It also sends volunteer veterinarian--through the Rural Animal Veterinary Services--to treat animals in underserved areas of the United States such as Appalachia. The HSUS also trains staff at animal shelters around the country to help them run efficiently and humanely. That particular organizations that etbmfa endorses is not a legitimate animal welfare charity; is is an industry front group for companies such as Ringling Bros. Barnham and Bailey.
Comment: etbma, the Humane Society of the United States DOES run a shelter; the Cleveland Armory Black Beauty Ranch. It also sends volunteer veterinarian--through the Rural Animal Veterinary Services--to treat animals in underserved areas of the United States such as Appalachia. The HSUS also trains staff at animal shelters around the country to help them run efficiently and humanely. That particular organizations that etbmfa endorses is not a legitimate animal welfare charity; is is an industry front group for companies such as Ringling Bros. Barnham and Bailey.
Comment: HSUS is the nation's biggest corporation devoted to using OUR money to take away OUR animals. Donate to them and the money goes into another press release, another dontation to an animal rights-supporting lawmaker, or a fat paycheck to a lawyer or lobbist out to see that your kids have a lot more trouble getting and keeping a pet than you did. And don't forget higher prices for milk, meat, and drugs. Oh, and there's the increase in mistreatment of animals, as animal usees that are essential but too expensive to do in the U.S. are offshored to places without animal welfare laws..
Comment: I support the Humane Society 100% and it's efforts. I wish there was a Humane Society (Branch) closer to Chester, VA and I would work there. It is sad that there is a comment from etbmfa saying negative comments about the Humane Society, especially since this person says they want you to join a group that is truly working for animals. Here is the thing about animal lovers, even though each animal organization ahs a different name, we are all on the same team and fighting for the same cause at the end of the day. The Humane Society of the United States does not downgrade other animal organizations. I will continue to support the Humane Society physically and financially as well as take on any animal cruelty within my area. Thank you to all the animal lovers out there!
