Toyota’s Green Problem

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  • Posted By: douglassoileau @ 11/12/2007 12:29:44 PM

    Inviromentalist, ar parasites, always looking for a "feel good" article to keep funds flowing in from ingorant people. Toyota and other Aisian auto makers have always been the most fuel ifficient and qaulity vehicles on the market.. Domestic vehicles can't compare to that quality are value.... The inviromentalist are a detrement to our Nation......

  • Posted By: redoak @ 11/12/2007 12:25:09 PM

    Yeah, a 100 gallon per mile carbureator, remember when they still used those things? I guess the car companys developed fuel injection to further elaborate a hoax that has been masterfully coordinated by automakers, oil companys, and our government. Oh, dont forget, all the foreign governments that have kept it a secret too, and all their car companys. It's one giant secret held by thousands worldwide that none of the rest of us have been able to crack. Where do they have their annual meeting? Or could it be possible that propelling a 2000-5000 pound vehicle requires x amount of "work" (work=force x distance) if the distance is equal to 100 miles the need force requires more than 1 gallon of gasoline, but then hey the laws of physics could be a giant conspiriacy theory to waste paper in high schools across america to keep the logging industry in business.... thanks for playing

  • Posted By: bclinton @ 11/12/2007 8:07:58 AM

    Is there anyone out there that's knows the truth? I can remember back during the mid-70's, the Carter Administration and gas-rationing - there was so much talk that "...the technology already exists to produce a car that gets 75+ mpg...". I'm tired of hearing what Detroit can / can't do - what are the facts? I'd really like to hear a response from an independant veteran Automotive Engineer - not the EPA, some pollster / special interest group. What's it gonna' take? Is there some degree of economic feasibility here, or are we talking about a $20,000 fuel system? Thanx - Honest.

    • Posted By: ton99002 @ 11/12/2007 12:21:51 PM

      afsmike is correct. There is a ratio of air/fuel that must be maintained for the catalytic converter to properly function and convert most of the exhaust fumes into "harmless" CO2. The major problem with any combustion process is that it gives of exhaust. Through clever tricks, we can change the gasses into something we think is less harmful - trading acid rain for increased CO2 emissions for example. However, chemistry can't be denied.

      If you really look at the big picture and remember that people have to drive, you need to start looking at pollution per energy produced. Flame me if you like, but I'm still of the opinion that we should build large scale nuclear reactors and run electric cars. Even large scale clean burning coal plants would produce less pollution per energy that could be used to charge electric cars. A well designed coal plant produces the equivalent pollution of a few hundred cars and could be used to power thousands of electric vehicles.

    • Posted By: afsmike @ 11/12/2007 10:01:22 AM

      the major problem is actually counter-intutive, if you run a car lean enough, [lean is when you run the engine with less fuel and more air, which is 80% nitrogen], you get oxides of nitrogen, a regulated emission in the united states--not in the U.k. also, the particulate emissions in the U.K. are not regulated. the particulates in diesel and bio-diesel, are known carcinogens. the U.S. has the most stringent eemissions laws for vehicles anywhere

  • Posted By: lightningmike @ 11/12/2007 12:00:20 PM

    As a communications engineer, I continue to be amazed at how the public continues to accept the lies of the car manufacturers, be foreign or domestic on their car mileage technical limitations explanations. It is no secret that by modifying fuel delivery systems, a 100 mile per gallon goal can be achieved. And that is with todays available technology.

  • Posted By: DUCKRACER @ 11/12/2007 11:59:56 AM

    HOORAY FOR TOYOTA!!
    Someone is finally standing up to the GW alamrinst. Global warming is a hoax. recently, the founder of the Weather Channel condemed the media for portraying the alleged man-made climate as a catastrophe. In August of this year, NASA had to re-calculate thier numbers and found that the warmest year since 1885 was 1934.
    If you really look for th information it is out there. All I can say is QUESTION AUTHORITY, especially if it is trying force you to lower your standard of living.

  • Posted By: GreenVaMBA @ 11/12/2007 11:57:59 AM

    I''m an advocate for sustainable development and have committed my career to it, but fundamental environmentalists want corportions to "green" themselves immediately with no regard to the negative economic impacts. I can't wait to live in a carbon free society, but I understand that our economy would collapse if we closed all oil and coal companies today, which is what I think the Sierra Club would like to see. It has to be a gradual but aggressive change. I guarantee Toyota knows how to make this happen better than the Sierra Club or the Federal Government. If they think the proposed standards are too high for where we are economically and technologically speaking, they're probably right.

  • Posted By: Mustangmike @ 11/12/2007 11:56:38 AM

    How are we ever going to have a car that gets over 45 mpg by 2020? With these gas prices now what will they be in 2020? The Government bought a patent for a carburater, that achieved over 75 mpg, where did that go. We have the technology, to achieve a vehical that would run on other sources besides gas, but it's all about the going green, making money, not about saving the earth. By 2020 if we did still use Gasoline, prices would be outragous. And we would still only see the same amount of mileage for what we pay now. No different then they are now in the amount of gas we pay for and drive. It's a lose lose situation. Inflation , scarcity of the product the demand for the product, the only thing thats turning green is George Bush's Pocketbook. Get the goverment to understand that what American's want is anything that will get us from point A to Point B as quickly as possible, and as cheap as possible, while being entertained. Use our other resources that we have and make them available to the public as soon as possible, why wait. Give us a option to make a change. If the only thing we are offered is gasoline cars at every dealer, then how are we going to ever stop buying products we are used to. Get the goverment out of the oil buisness, and maybe then will we see a change in the way we travel, and our economy.

  • Posted By: DUCKRACER @ 11/12/2007 11:53:43 AM

    HOORAY FOR TOYOTA!!!
    They had the courage to stand up to the Global Warming Alarmists. Despite what Al Gore says, the debate is not over. Many hundreds of real scientist are looking at the science and facts and have concluded that GW is not man-caused. Look at the MSNBC message boards and you will find many scientific studies debunking Algaores claims. What the GW alarmists really want is to turn this country into a socialists utopia. The government under that guise of making us "carbon nuetral" will tax us for every thing Carbontaxes on out houses, on our food, on our recreation. There is afoot an effort to stop the mortgage tax write-off to force us to live in smaller houses, This is just a few of hundreds of restrictions planned to be put on us in the name of a theory that can't be proven.

  • Posted By: kurtisle @ 11/11/2007 11:14:57 PM

    Yes Virginia, if it seems too good tombe true it probably is...like Toyota being a "green" automaker, that really does see the light. Yes it's true, they do care more for their bottom line than for YOUR children's health and safety. Global Warming" LET THEM EAT CAKE..They are afterall, just another Detroit Automaker....remember THAT when you buy a new car....

    • Posted By: jimhenderson @ 11/12/2007 11:51:38 AM

      who is this Virginia person?

  • Posted By: jimhenderson @ 11/12/2007 11:48:13 AM

    I'm sure Toyota is shaking in their boots at the prospect of riling the likes of the Sierra Club. I am pretty sure that the effect on Toyota's bottom line will be in the range of 1/100 of 1%.
    Now, as for me, proud owner of a gas guzzling SUV and a 1966 Mustang V8, I have long been an admirer of the Prius and plan to purchase the second generation model.
    Go hug a tree.

  • Posted By: EVangel @ 11/12/2007 11:44:23 AM

    Toyota actually sold a few hundred zero emission RAV4 EVs a few years ago; it crushed a thousand others, as five other major makers did with all of their electric vehicles.
    Why not mass-produce and sell the RAV4 EV? Its nickel metal hydride batteries are holding up well, delivering over 100 miles per charge even after 100,000 miles. Used RAV4 EVs sell for almost the same price as they did new!

  • Posted By: Tedsride @ 11/12/2007 11:44:20 AM

    I am so mad at all these liying car companies about being able to have a car get good mileage...All the great mileage carburetors are bought up by the gas companies, and hidden from the World... I saw a 54 Caddy with a home made carb that got no less than 75 MPG in town, a gas Co. bought it from him for millions, and said not to talk about it, ever!

  • Posted By: jsbigcatlover @ 11/12/2007 11:37:47 AM

    Toyota is only fighting tough mileage reg's because they don't want competition. If Detroit is forced to go green, they will no longer have the monopoly on good, affordable high MPG cars. It is the American people's fault for allowing corporations to run our government and push us around!

  • Posted By: jsbigcatlover @ 11/12/2007 11:34:10 AM

    Toyota just wants to be the ONLY alternative to the gas-guzzling American cars. If Congress passes tough mileage reg's, Detroit will be forced to go green. Then Toyota will have competition...Get it?

  • Posted By: redoak @ 11/12/2007 11:22:23 AM

    I get 12 mpg on the hwy. I dont like it but what are you going to do??

  • Posted By: DSAENZ1510 @ 11/12/2007 11:22:02 AM

    I have a daily commute of 60 miles roundtrip. My previous vehicle was made by one of the big 3. This vehicle gave me an average of 12 miles to the tank. When gas prices last increased, I was paying $50-three times a week to fill up that truck.

    With over $150 spent on gas a week, I figured I could buy a new car for less than $600 a month. I looked at the Prius, but this vehicle is very expensive in Texas, and the dealers will not budge on price.

    I purchased another vehicle-a non-hybrid with better gas mileage. I figured a vehicle does not have to be a hybrid to decrease emissions into the atmosphere. My current vehicle gives me a weekly commute with one fillup a week costing about $30 a week.

    I figure filling up less, not only saves my money but is good for the environment since I am burning less gasoline. There are other alternatives to Toyota!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Check out the following websites for green information.

    www.treehugger.com

    www.getnitrogen.com

    www.begreennow.com

    David

  • Posted By: redoak @ 11/12/2007 11:21:31 AM

    I get 12 mpg on the highway. I dont like it, but what are you going to do.

  • Posted By: Lucifer @ 11/12/2007 10:08:10 AM

    I'm a Brit living here in the US for the last 12 years. I'm not sure how much Americans know about European cars but they have various styles in that commonly attain more than 50mpg. They have variants of high priced executive vehicles which use clean burn diesel and can easily achieve 40mpg. The Prius is a White Elephant in Europe, hence Toyota's re-design of the Prius because it can't match the clean burning diesels, where gas is now $8 a gallon. Ever seen a BMW 635 diesel? or an Audi A6 turbo diesel ? They can all achieve 35mpg. Honda and Mercedes are all making even cleaner versions of the current diesel platform. It's just a question of greed and mis-representation. This would be an opportune time for Detroit to strike and take the high ground. Check out the new Ford Modeo Turbo Diesel, this car cleans the clock of BMW and Toyota!!!!

    • Posted By: chuybeto @ 11/12/2007 11:18:47 AM

      You just cannot compare a diesel engine with a gas engine since diesel has a lot more LHV (Lower Heating Value). That means diesel has much more energy in a gallon than gas. 35 gpm should be no problem for a diesel. Also, who told you that burning diesel is clean? Not one diesel car that exists in Europe is clean enough for the tough regulation in the US. In order to meet the standard in the US, diesel engines would have to have at least 3 different catalysts which boosts the price up to a point where is not even marketable. Please refrain from making comparisons between gas a diesel engines as far as mpg because there are a lot of complications involved.

  • Posted By: bill2007 @ 11/12/2007 11:13:00 AM

    It is great to see that the mainstream media picks up this story. www.autoinsiderdaily.com and the other automobile websites have been reporting Toyota???s anti-fuel economy stance for months.

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