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  • Posted By: s_man @ 11/13/2007 11:16:01 AM

    Unfortunately, the U.S. Judicial system is not perfect which is one cause of the ever-increasing crime rates in America. Criminals who actually committed a crime get off on technicalities, the innocent are imprisoned or sentenced to death. Yet what stops crimes from being committed? The death penalty was supposed to instill fear in those who commit severe crimes. Does it instill fear? I'm not so sure these days. However, I have been studying the death penalty in other countries. When the death penalty was taken away from some countries, the murder and capital crimes rates increased dramatically but when the death penalty was reintroduced those rates dropped again. However, those countries were smaller and considered "developing" countries. In a country the size of the U.S., I'm not so sure the death penalty has much effect. Criminals are no longer afraid that they will receive the death penalty. A new solution must be found and fast before the U.S. crime rate goes up any further. I think that the first step is to examine the judicial system and maybe even reconstruct it.

    • Posted By: arizoniac @ 11/13/2007 1:34:44 PM

      The reason the death penalty is not an effective deterant is due to the time lapse between sentence and carrying out the sentence. The average stay on death row is over 10 years, if they are even executed at all. If someone was sentenced to death had 6 months in which to file an appeal - deny the appeal - and execute that person - I bet it would that would work to deter crime. Better yet take em staright from the court room to lethal injection - that would save millions of dollars of tax-payers money.

      • Posted By: commuterdog @ 11/14/2007 2:09:51 AM

        It's got nothing to do with the time lapse. They hung them the next day in the old west!!! Guess what??? It didn't stop crime back then and it won't stop it now either!!!!!!!

    • Posted By: arizoniac @ 11/13/2007 1:36:10 PM

      The reason the death penalty is not an effective deterant is due to the time lapse between sentence and carrying out the sentence. The average stay on death row is over 10 years, if they are even executed at all. If someone was sentenced to death had 6 months in which to file an appeal - deny the appeal - and execute that person - I bet it would that would work to deter crime. Better yet take em staright from the court room to lethal injection - that would save millions of dollars of tax-payers money.

  • Posted By: commuterdog @ 11/13/2007 1:55:45 PM

    Let's see: If the state put's to death an innocent man, have they in fact not committed murder???????? Therefore: those involved in the murder of that innocent victim should be put to death!!!!! Shouldn't they????? According to the death penalty supporters and the eye for an eye supporters they should be!!!! Let's see, who should we execute???? The judge??? The prosecutor???? The 12 jurists???? The police??? The witnesses who gave false testimony?????? They are all culpable in this scenario I've created for you death penalty supporters. They all helped to have an innocent man executed!!! Shouldn't they all suffer the ultimate penalty???? They are guilty of convicting an innocent man to death!!!! WHAT SAY PEOPLE??????
    Or is it okay because it was state sanctioned murder and therefore the same rules don't apply????? All those involved get a Get out of the gas chamber free card!!!!! Yea that's right don't do as I do, do as I say!!!!!!! Ther'e's a great quote!!!!!!! What's good for the goose is good for the gander!!!!! Justice is not blind in this country!!!! Just some of the "eye witnesses"!!!! Our justice system is about money!!!! Those that have it can get afair trial those that don't fry!!!!

    • Posted By: pismoclam @ 11/13/2007 8:36:24 PM

      I don't know????????do you???????Why the long use of question marks?????????are you trying to hammer home a point????????? If someone kills one of mine, don't worry about a judge or jury. Worry about ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Posted By: commuterdog @ 11/14/2007 2:07:57 AM

        Of course I'm trying to hammer home a point!!!!!!!! Duh!!!!!!!!!! You are probably one of the same people that don't want the government running your health care, because they might screw it up!!!! However, you have no problem letting them mete out the ultimate penalty correctly!!!!!!!! That's the point!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: bob j @ 11/13/2007 10:40:12 PM

    of course in China ,we also have the mobile execution vans,which make regular runs through the countryside. these do use lethal injecion mode. and are manned by medical team soldiers of the peoples' liberation army. it is a very effecient way to perform executions with least muss and fuss. often the clients are elders who no longer wish to continue with their life,or have become a burden on their families . some are ones convicted in absentia, by the peoples' courts ,and saves bring them in for execution. and some are children in excess of the one child limit .if the odffending parents agree to execution ,then they are not arrested and charged with the very serious crime of excess children .anyhow the teams have lists and make their trips and duties in a very effecient manner .right now disposal of the bodies are left up to families ,but there are mobile cremantoriums soon to be available ,and increase the effeciently greatly.

  • Posted By: bob j @ 11/13/2007 10:10:05 PM

    to pops who suggested that the guillotine execution be made public ,that is very fine idea. would be much greater deterrant that way.,of course in china people are allowed to watch executions if they want ,in olden days they were carried out in town squares ,and had a large audience ,but today in more civil times they have been moved to countryside ,and many people cannot make journey by bicycle and also since the condemmend's family can retreive the body after the execution ,and the organs are harvested,it is difficult to take body back to town on bicycle,so often is just left to be dozed under where is at. but still it is a very high deterrant ,as word gets back by ones who can manage to attend.

  • Posted By: jiggawendy @ 11/12/2007 1:40:39 AM

    State sanctioned murder is archaic. It is so completely ironic that the bible belt leads the country in executions, certainly not the actions that Christ preached about. It's time for this country to 'grow up' and recognize that there is never a way to be 100% certain that someone committed a crime, no matter what technology we have. Even that fraction of a chance of innocence should cast doubt on the legitimacy of the death penalty. I have no sympathy for those who harm/rape/kill others, they deserve a lifetime of misery. Ultimatly, as an American, I (and most people) are willing to die for freedom because to live without freedom is worse then death. So, a life without freedom is greater punishment than the death penalty and the only real way to punish people who committ such crimes. I'm glad to see we are finally listening to our collective conscious.

    • Posted By: Widgit @ 11/12/2007 1:44:42 AM

      There's no way to be 100 percent certain that someone committed a crime? Are you nuts?

      • Posted By: Drekke @ 11/13/2007 10:00:57 PM

        No, that makes perfect sense. If someone is mentally ill they could even lie and admit their guilt when they are innocent.

  • Posted By: The_Punisher @ 11/11/2007 9:50:09 PM

    Oh and by the way, Get the Religous kooks out of the legal system, and the penal system. They never met an Inmate who wasn't innocent .They (Religous kooks) are the reason I hated to go to work each day, not the violence within the walls. They would film and harass staff as we entered work and stop our movement, all the time yelling we were killing an innocent man! Stanley Tookie Williams was one of their finest con jobs. Here was the Founder of the crips street gang and they paraded him around like a saint. The fact only 3 people bought his child books made no difference, they quoted him as an award winning author. Religous kooks will lie on the stand to acomplish an ends to a means, eg. to get him exonerated. Take the Terrie Shiavo case, they saw her talk! they will stop at nothing to thwart the will of the people. Spend your time and money with kids who need it, not these "Cream of the Crap non-humans"

    • Posted By: Drekke @ 11/13/2007 9:58:38 PM

      Wait... so now criminals aren't human?

    • Posted By: PPC7 @ 11/11/2007 11:01:33 PM

      Not all religious people are kooks, I think we should try to reach out to the convict and try to get them to receive Jesus, but they still must face their punishment, it is the Law.

  • Posted By: ru4real6846 @ 11/11/2007 9:38:15 PM

    There should be the death penalty in this country in every state. These people killed and that's what they should be, killed. There are too many people on death row and they shouldn't be there. They should be dead. Why should tax payers pay to keep them in prison? They don't deserve to live. Look at the money each state could save if we would just give these murderers lethal injections. If these people don't feel or want to give these injections, then I will and I could still sleep at night. Or send these low life people to Iraq to fight. If they die, no big loss. There is too much crime in this country and something should be done. The death penalty should be showed on television to show people, this is what happens to you if you commit murder or do some other bad crime like raping children.This country is getting too leniat with people who do wrong. If a person gets busted for smoking pot, they send them away for ever. Pot should be legalized. God put it here, so how can this country outlaw it? Don't knock it, till you try it. Convicts in prison have it better than the average person in this country. They get three squares a day, color television and free hots in the cot. This is wrong, so make the death penalty legal in all the states.

    • Posted By: Yalierica @ 11/11/2007 11:00:58 PM

      "Beloved, do not look for revenge but leave room for the wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
      Rather, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head." "
      Romans 12

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 9:57:23 AM

        Interesting argument; we should have the death penalty in every state because murder is bad but we should legalize pot because I like to smoke it. So does that mean that we should all get too pick and choose the laws that we do or do not like and then follow those laws? Millions more are spent on death penalty cases than are spent just locking someone up for life without parole. And you can fix life without if someone is later shown to be guilty. How do you bring someone back to life?

        • Posted By: Drekke @ 11/13/2007 9:56:04 PM

          Umm.... God also gave us free-will. That same free will that allows murderers to kill people. And God gave us hands, the same hands that these Criminals use to commit crimes. Just because God created it doesn't mean its good. He gave us the freedom to choose. However if we have been instructed in the bible ( or beleive in different religion that has similar commands) then its probably a good idea to do it because if God wants us to do it its probably the right thing.

  • Posted By: corncrik @ 11/13/2007 6:53:58 PM

    I wonder if the same people that are so against the death penalty are the the same ones that are so admant for abortion? I guess it is better to let a man who would bury a little girl alive after he raped her to live than the innocent ones that are murdered every day? What is the total abortions in the USA????thousands.........

  • Posted By: corncrik @ 11/13/2007 6:48:06 PM

    I wonder if the same people that would abolish the death penalty are the ones that are for abortion? It seems that no one is worrying abourt those who are innocent, but want to preserve the life of a man that would bury a young girl alive after he raped her. Just a thought!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: bob j @ 11/13/2007 6:32:01 PM

    in china they have very good way not only for murder,rape or othher violent,but drugs too if catch with drugs ,go before tribunal ,policeman present evidence, if guilty ,you are taken outside loaded on truck, with other guilties and taken out into countryside,there you are made to stand before prepared trench and officer with pistol shoot you in back of head,you fall into trench and soon are covererd up and at peace. later versions of this ,have you shot on flat ground ,by soldier with ak 47 or sks rifle in the spine instead of head ,,death also is instantanious as spinal cord is severerd ,then your organs may be harvested ,then after your organs are removed the rest of you and others are pushed into trench by bulldozer,and finally covererd..this method has not only reduced murder and rape in china ,but has mostly eliminated drugs too. a very good way.

  • Posted By: mshook12 @ 11/13/2007 6:03:38 PM

    Seigrella, a real MD would know that doctors are NOT required to perform the "lethal" techniques. A doctor is required to be present for the purpose of alleviating any unecessary pain during botched executions, but usually it will be a paramedic who actually performs the injections. Seigrella is either lying about being an MD, or like many MD's, has more ego than intelligence.

  • Posted By: mshook12 @ 11/13/2007 6:03:11 PM

    Seigrella, a real MD would know that doctors are NOT required to perform the "lethal" techniques. A doctor is required to be present for the purpose of alleviating any unecessary pain during botched executions, but usually it will be a paramedic who actually performs the injections. Seigrella is either lying about being an MD, or like many MDs, has more ego than intelligence.

  • Posted By: seigrella @ 11/13/2007 5:18:36 PM

    As an MD I was sworn to heal the sick and minimize their suffering . It is not the healer's job to kill, but to alleviate suffering. If society is bent on killing, and I am not passing any moral judgement on this, then we should have non-MD lay people whose job is to execute. Let not the hand that heals you be the one that kills you ...

  • Posted By: seigrella @ 11/13/2007 5:10:43 PM

    As a Medical Doctor I took a vow to Heal NOT to Kill. If society is bent on the death penalty, and I am not making any moral judgements on the issue, tThen we should have trained executors to carry it. Once again, it is not the healer''s duty to end a life but the executioner's.

  • Posted By: sandyd1978 @ 11/13/2007 5:01:22 PM

    I do worry that an innocent person may be executed. But at the same time, I don't like the thought that there are so many people distraught over the pain a horrible individual may feel as justice is carried out. There was little regard given to the victim of the crime, so I feel very little compassion for the criminal. If that person had killed your child or parent, etc., would their discomfort weigh heavily on your mind? Probably not. I agree though that if the death penalty is abolished, some of the luxuries enjoyed by inmates needs to be abolished as well. They should be given the absolute basics of life and none of the 'extras' they now enjoy.

  • Posted By: JMux @ 11/13/2007 4:34:39 PM

    I go back and forth on the death penalty. On one hand, I hate the thought of executing an innocent person - but on the other hand, people who do horrible, sadistic things don't deserve to breathe our air. To think that a person who murdered a child gets the opportunity to graduate from college, paid for by the tax dollars of the parents of their victim - how messed up is that? I'd feel better about life in prison without parole versus the death penalty if prison held no luxuries. And I also hate that people seem more concerned with the prisoner, the convicted felon!, than the victim. Talk about jacked up priorities! Perhaps we should let the punishment truly fit the crime. They didn't give any consideration to the victim, so why should any consideration be given to them? They should receive as "cruel and unusual" punishment as they were dished out. I bet that would make criminals think twice about what they're doing!

  • Posted By: giord1la @ 11/13/2007 4:25:07 PM

    did theses death row inmates murder in a humane way.................NOT

  • Posted By: giord1la @ 11/13/2007 4:24:14 PM

    I will bet the convicts on death row did not murder in a humane way

  • Posted By: Beau de Malte @ 11/12/2007 12:39:52 AM

    Hi, AS so many cases are coming to the surface where people on death row or even executed have been
    found to be innocent, then I simply never can accept the death penatly as a just punishment since there is an end and that end cannot be changed if a flawed court case comes to the fore later on. Do not forget that whilst many victims suffered at the hands of their killers, those victims were innocent, as were those people killed by the state and later found to be innocent. NO even though the ones who were guilty probably deserved what they got, even if there is the remote possibilty that a death row inmate may not be guilty, then it should be removed immediately. I always think to myself - what if he was my son, what if he was innocent. That thought tortures me every time I hear of a death sentance being implemented.

    • Posted By: Widgit @ 11/12/2007 1:30:44 AM

      There are not SO many cases coming to the surface where people on death row or even executed have been found to be innocent. Your perception is way off.

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/13/2007 4:03:34 PM

        We have had more than three in the last four years in NC alone who were released from death row. A couple came very close to death and all of them are completely innocent. One would be too many, more than four is a travesty. What was it in IL? 13, 14? That is enough error to bring the entire system into question!

      • Posted By: commuterdog @ 11/12/2007 1:40:33 AM

        If it's one case. Then it's one too many!!!!! How many innocents have been killed!!!!!!!!! You'll never know will you???? Why???? Because their all dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: buster @ 11/13/2007 4:02:28 PM

    So was it not "cruel and unusual punishment" that the victims went through?? This makes me so angry. These men/women lost that right when they killed. Let them suffer so they can feel what their victims went through. I don't feel one ounce of sorrow for anyone who is put to death.

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