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  • Posted By: shehen @ 11/12/2007 3:40:23 PM

    I find it very hard to feel sorry for people who didn't care that the person they were killing wanted to live too. They were the judge and jury and the only crime that many committed was coming in contact with the animal that took their life. The sad thing is that they get to sit on death row longer than some of their victims got to live. My niece was seven years old when her step father raped, beat and dropped her in a well to insure her death. She drowned. How humane was that? Now he will sit on death row much longer than she lived. How humane are the nightmares that those left behind must live with? How about the fear that somehow, someway, this animal could be free to do this again? It may be irrational but it exists just the same. My only problem with the death penalty is that it takes to long to carry it out!

  • Posted By: ruger14 @ 11/12/2007 12:12:45 PM

    It has nothing to do with vengance it's about getting rid of the "trash" the "violent" the people with no consideration for others. Too keep these monsters in jail without parole comes down to one thing our tax dollars going to these monsters. As far as "Minority defendats given the death penalty far more often than white defendants are" is a load, if you murder someone and it's proven, than that same fate should be
    placed on them as well. All this talk about color of your skin determines death or life is crap it comes down to parenting!!!

    • Posted By: po8t1 @ 11/12/2007 2:27:04 PM

      That is one ignorant comment if there ever was one. Is your head buried soooo deep in the sand that you can't see the disproportionate conviction rate for blacks that are given the death penalty than whites??? Why was it a certain community was so upset when O.J. was acquitted for murder??? Was it because he got away with it or was it that he got away with who he killed? Face it, this is the world be live in. Lift your head out of the sand and see what is really going on.

      • Posted By: ruger14 @ 11/12/2007 3:34:56 PM

        Please give me a break....if anyone's ignorant it would have to be you!!! Coming down to name calling is a very adult thing to do. (And we wonder what's wrong with society) If you actually read my comment instead of only glazing over it then you would see I'm trying to say that, "IF YOU MURDER SOMEONE AND IT"S PROVEN, THAN THAT SAME FATE SHOULD BE PLACED ON THEM AS WELL" Why does everything have to come down to the color of skin? Why must it always be the race card? You know it's people like you who keep racism alive.....

  • Posted By: Flanders @ 11/12/2007 3:13:21 PM

    We followers are a strange group that don't make sense much of the time, I'll agree with that.

  • Posted By: William.Demuth @ 11/12/2007 3:04:56 PM

    I find it ironic that so many Christians seem to support the death penalty. It seems to me that anyone who had their supposed savior executed by the state might be hesitant to tolerate anyone else being forced into the same demise? Or is it that those who refuse to recognize the reality of their own mortality might be more comfortable in administering death? Well I have some tragic news for the born again crowd, in that death is real and absolute. Within the next few years I am sure we will have irrefutable proof of the execution of several innocent men, and it will be FASCINATING to watch them twist on the hook in avoiding the reality of their dogmatic requirement for the eternal damnation of all those who where involved. No one should ever be put to death when we are unsure if justice is being served, and we can never be sure because we are mortal, and their are no divine beings or books who can legitimize murder in ANY form.

  • Posted By: Flanders @ 11/12/2007 2:39:14 PM

    All you said was lift your head out of the sand, and that my comment is ignorant. Thats ironic, especially considering my main point was we as people don't have any right to kill people and that our system doesn't work and we are really slow learners. I'm not sure how your actual point of conviction rates of blacks vs. whites is even relevant to my comments, although I would agree with your point, or statistic.

    On a realted/side note, name calling and saying this is the world we live in gets pretty far as well. But I also agree that I am ignorant, but sand doesn't taste good to me, so the other part isn't true.

  • Posted By: Flanders @ 11/12/2007 1:57:00 PM

    Why do we have the right to kill someone? The death penalty seems like a repetitive cycle that leads to no real solution. We kill someone to show killing is wrong and try to deter others from doing it? Our history shows this doesn't work. Look at the worlds other "civilized" countries and the numbers bear that out. If we have to kill someone to feel better, safer, or get "justics" that says more about us than the person we killed.

  • Posted By: Flanders @ 11/12/2007 1:53:10 PM

    I don't know where or when we decided we have the right to kill people. Seems like a 2 year older mentality. Let's kill someone because they killed someone. A repetitive cycle that gets to no real solution. If we have to kill someone to feel better or get "justice" that says more about us than the killer we kill.

  • Posted By: commuterdog @ 11/12/2007 1:41:55 PM

    What no comments??? Certainly there has to be a good rebuttal to my scenario!!!!

  • Posted By: Lisa3754 @ 11/12/2007 4:11:10 AM

    Texans aren't relucant to sentence a convicted murderer to death any less. The percentage of death sentences dropped only because the Life without Parole option became available to jurors in 2005. Also, the statement that not many doctors are willing to participate is false. I saw a poll by the AMA in which over 50% of doctors were willing to participate if it wouldn't cause them to lose their license to practice medicine.

    • Posted By: commuterdog @ 11/12/2007 1:31:41 PM

      Our president is from Texas, I don't trust him either!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: maryland @ 11/12/2007 9:45:17 AM

    This article would lead a person to believe that everyone is innocent and there are no murderers, rapists and molesters in prison. What a couple of idiots! If you've never had a family member or friend murdered, then shut up! People say the death penalty isn't a deterrent? It sure is, that particular criminal will never kill again, I'd say that's the best deterrent!! You want to talk about expense, what about taxpayers keeping those criminals in prison with healthcare and tv and all the other stuff they get. While the people they've murdered are gone forever. You whiners need to meet up with one of these murderers that you defend on the street at night and see how sorry you feel for them when they are slitting your throat.

    • Posted By: commuterdog @ 11/12/2007 11:37:34 AM

      Its not about believing they are innocent. The fact is a death penalty trial costs millions until it is played out to its final end. You can house numerous criminals for that. It's about the human error aspect. If you kill an innocent victim, are you not then guilty of murder? The death penalty is final and if you kill one innocent person are system has failed. Period!!!!!!!!! I'd love to see some people off the face of this earth for the crimes they committted. I use to be pro death penalty until I saw that their were prisoners being found innocent of their capital crime!!!!!!!! Good thing it toook the state 20 plus years in their cases!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 12:16:02 PM

        commuterdog - I am in the same boat you are in; I also used to be pro-death until I saw how it is administered and, even worse, how many people have been released from death row after being found actually innocent. At least three that I can think of in my state of NC in the last four years. All of the convictions involved some level of police and/or prosecutrial misconduct. They just wanted the conviction and did not seem to care if they killed another innocent in the process. Let's not impose an irrevocable penalty because if we latere found we were wrong there is nothing that can be done to fix it.

  • Posted By: ur.quattro @ 11/11/2007 11:11:12 PM

    religion is about social control, morals for the ignorant, and enabeling horrible behaviour for those who pray for forgivness ,, hooey and PPC7 you are a religious kook and our country was not based on religion, it was based on freedom, religion sucks wind and shows ignorance

    • Posted By: PPC7 @ 11/11/2007 11:36:30 PM

      Wow. Just out of curiosity.........were you an alter boy in a catholic church? Sounds like you have had a bad experience.

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 12:05:36 PM

        I was never an altar boy and never a catholic but I also thing religion is silly, controlling nonsense. Jesus died for our sins and we'll all be taken into god's light as long as we live the good life and have faith in a dead man. Horsecrap! That is no different than believing in voodoo or any of the other religions that christians are so appalled by!

  • Posted By: krisjackson @ 11/11/2007 10:39:18 PM

    Yes, the Bible does say something about an eye for an eye. You a Christian in favor of capital punishment, PPC7? Here's what Jesus said:
    "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, don't resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. If anyone sues you to take away your coat, let him have your cloak also. Whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and don't turn away him who desires to borrow from you." I take from this that Jesus was against capital punishment.

    • Posted By: PPC7 @ 11/11/2007 11:25:21 PM

      As you know Jesus spoke in parables, to make his message easier to understand. If he was not for the death penaly he would have been preaching his messages at crusifixions. I know that may sound obtuse, but Jesus was also for Law. We cannot have a system that does not keep, or at least say, "you cannot commit murder without being punished, and prisons are nicer than alot of people live. Not real punishment.

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 12:00:44 PM

        Ever been to prison PPC7? You might want to spend oh, about five or six years on the inside before you make stupid statements about prisons being nicer than a lot of people live.

    • Posted By: matt256 @ 11/11/2007 10:42:34 PM

      Jesus also forgave the soldiers that crucified him thus he could have been in favor it.

      • Posted By: Yalierica @ 11/11/2007 10:55:19 PM

        He said they knew not what they did, not that what they were doing was right.

        • Posted By: matt256 @ 11/12/2007 7:34:18 AM

          He also didn't stop it, nor did he protest it.

          • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 11:59:10 AM

            It was not his lot to protest his own death. I was, at least according to you christians, god's plan. Remember?

  • Posted By: lovelocklady @ 11/11/2007 10:37:23 PM

    widgit you confuse self defense with murder. Vengence is Mine said the Lord Don't believe it? Wqit until you meet Him, He'll set you straight.

    • Posted By: Widgit @ 11/12/2007 1:38:20 AM

      You need to pull your head out of your ___. (You need to correct your spelling also.)

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 11:58:04 AM

        Lowest common denominator Widget. You have a bad argument or an indefensible position then attack someones spelling. The q is right over the a, I am sure that it was a mistype more than a misspell.

  • Posted By: tbeck001 @ 11/11/2007 10:31:19 PM

    How is death a punishment? I find that argument ludicrous, since I can't reform my behavior if I'm dead. The Jesus analogy is faulty, since it also suggests that killing innocent people by the death penalty is somehow a good thing. It's also akin to saying there'd be no people on earth without incest, since Adam and Eve's children had to populate the planet.

    And I wholeheartedly agree with liberal1947. They're pro-life for unwed, teenage mothers, but pro-death for murderers? Do I hear a double-standard?

    • Posted By: 20yearVet @ 11/11/2007 11:09:50 PM

      And the Libs feel that criminals should live and innocent unborn children should die - I like my double-standard better!

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 11:54:43 AM

        Not to turn this into an argument about abortion but a great many of those "innocent unborn children" are conceived by people who have no business having children. If you force a lot of these women to give birth, especially the ones in the poorer neighborhoods, you are going to end up executing a great many of them 25 or 30 years later. There has been an argument put forth that the reason we have seen a declining crime rate is due to the ability of women to get an abortion instead of having an unwanted child which would often be raised in poverty. Until the christian right comes up with a solution for that problem they have no business telling women that they are going to force them to have unwanted children.

    • Posted By: matt256 @ 11/11/2007 10:37:46 PM

      Why do the guilty have to reform? They didn't give that choice to their victim. I guess you would have wanted the Allies to capture Hitler and allow him do community service to repent for his crimes against humanity.

  • Posted By: hollandsy @ 11/11/2007 10:23:41 PM

    Cruel and unusual? I wonder how the people they murdered felt while they were dying. Do you suppose those who have raped and murdered small children did so quickly and painlessly? Doctors a bit sqeamish? Give a crash medical course to a parent or wife of someone who has been killed by the bastards and I bet they dont mind injecting it. Dont like the chemical injections? Then lets put them to sleep like the dogs and cats left unclaimed at the pound!

    Who am I? A mother of three. I lost someone I loved very much to a heartless killer out to get away with an armed robbery. All he had to do was run or walk away, but no....he chose to shoot a man to death and leave his loved ones with an empty place in their hearts and lives forever. His family can visit him and talk to him on the phone. His family can stand beside him as he appeals his sentence. His family can correspond in letters. All we have is a memory. Give me a needle and I will show him much more compassion that than he has shown us.

    Give me a knife or a gun and I will show him the same mercy he gave others. This same man was let out of prison early before....after killing a man with a brick. Something about being reformed and good behavior...
    I say execute and allow God to forgive or send straight to hell. Dont ask me to pay taxes to support a killer and pay for his medical bills, his food and his cable tv. Spend that money on our school system and medical care for the people who need it.

    • Posted By: jeffdish @ 11/11/2007 11:28:13 PM

      Wow! a lot of people in here are awful! I am a libertarian, not a liberal. I was shot 9 times and stabbed twice... I lived, but my mother and brother did not. Do I think the ones responsible should be put to death?? No, I do not. Most murders and violent crime are impulse related, and are usually drug related. Find a way to reduce the drug use, help people become educated to have faith in their ability to be productive and you have the solution. I don't have all the answers, that's for sure, but I think I'm on the right track with the questions that need to be addressed

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 11:49:01 AM

        Thank you jeffdish. That is the very reason that the death penalty is not a deterrant, because murder is most often a spur of the moment crime and/or very poorly thought out none of these guys stops and thinks about getting death. On top of that the need for drugs can and does drive people to insane lenghths to get money for thier sickness. If we treat that problem we would have a lot fewer criminals.

  • Posted By: Searchqueen @ 11/11/2007 10:23:03 PM

    My personal belief is that lethal injection is being used to paralyze the inmate who is then taken behind the curtain and his eyes, organs, skin, etc are harvested while they are still alive. The inmates body is worth over one million dollars thus making this a very profitable venture indeed. China has been doing this for many years so why should we think it isn't being done in the U.S.? I have always felt the rush to execute is for profit motivations. Orders are put in by hospitals who bid on organs and other body parts so these orders have to be met by certain dates. The family of the inmate loses all rights to the body, the state owns the body and can part it out as they wish so it is in the states best interest to dispense of the inmate in a timely manner, resisting appeals that would interrupt profits and timelines.

    • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 11:45:15 AM

      Ummmm, the inmates family does NOT lose all right to the body. If they claim it and wish to bury it they can. If your wild a** theory were true it would seem to me we would have fewer people dying while on the waiting list for an organ

    • Posted By: cliffd1 @ 11/11/2007 11:06:15 PM

      You know... Mark Twain once said... "It' s better to keep one's mouth shut and be THOUGHT a fool, then to open it and remove all doubt." YOU should listen to Mark.

  • Posted By: liberal1947 @ 11/11/2007 10:21:41 PM

    Don't you just love the Christian Republican Doctrine that states, "Life begins at conception, and ends at execution."?

    • Posted By: PPC7 @ 11/11/2007 10:33:33 PM

      Are you saying life does not begin at conception? If not, when does it?

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 11:43:14 AM

        I think he was talking about the hypocrasy of picketing and fighting to save what is essentially, at least until about 6-7 months, a parasite and then on the other hand fighting so hard so you can freely execute those you wish to kill to satisfy a vengeful bloodlust. Of course I could be wrong but that does seem to describe the Right Wing Chritian philosophy in a nutshell.

    • Posted By: PPC7 @ 11/11/2007 10:37:24 PM

      I can't believe you crazy left wing liberals care more about a murderer than you do helpless babies, but I guess that is what you left wingers do, prey on the helpless.

  • Posted By: ruger14 @ 11/12/2007 11:31:43 AM

    I believe if you take a life so cruely without thought for anyone except for your sole pleasure and it's beyond a reasonable doubt that you did in fact take a life, then yes I believe and am completely for the death penalty. I am sick of paying for these monsters to stay on death row, they are clothed, fed, and housed with our money. I believe that they should be executed the very next day or even that same day they were convicted. For the people who say that lethal injection is cruel and unusual punishment how about sitting back and looking at the crimes these monsters have committed. What about their victims who suffered? I personally don't care if these monsters feel pain or not....they should have thought before the deed was done. Eye for an eye......

    • Posted By: SMR1027 @ 11/12/2007 11:41:00 AM

      I think that is ok~ although you need to read the contistution and remember I country loves drama.
      Sorry for being a smart butt that's just the way it is even though no one likes to admit it.
      I still believe in making a separate prison system for these killers in the mean time and then the death
      penality can be take from there. Some people would love to have a job killing these people, even some
      inmates.

  • Posted By: Searchqueen @ 11/11/2007 10:16:15 PM

    My personal belief is that lethal injection is being used to paralyze the inmate who is then taken behind the curtain and his eyes, organs, skin, etc are harvested while they are still alive. The inmates body is worth over one million dollars thus making this a very profitable venture indeed. China has been doing this for many years so why should we think it isn't being done in the U.S.? I have always felt the rush to execute is for profit motivations.

    • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 11:36:31 AM

      There really is NO rush to execute in this country; in fact it can take decades. In answer to your question, there are many things that China does that we in this country do not do, we are a democracy which has a fairly transparent justice system, at least compared to that of China.
      Aside from all of that, all executed prisoners are subject to autopsy and all of them are available for outside burial if someone wishes to offer them one. This suggests that for what you prpose happens to actually be carried out the conspiracy would have to be truly massive.

  • Posted By: vegas62 @ 11/11/2007 10:15:53 PM

    I'm interested in knowing what happened to the prosecutors who were so willing to violate the civil rights of so many defendents over the years there in Dallas, TX. I mean this is not a surprise to me that these things go on, but I would really like to know if something was done about these people who were sworn officers of the court and law enforcement as well. This is also a clear example of what minorities, especially black, have been saying even to this day. I have a problem with the apparent willingness to deny individuals their due process. If there was fairness in the judicial and law enforcement system, I would support the death penalty. But not in it's present form. I would not be at all surprised at Bush's unwillingness to review a death penalty case, because his attitude is probably worse than Wade of Dallas, TX.

    • Posted By: Widgit @ 11/11/2007 10:21:33 PM

      I sure hope that the stepfather that killed the little girl gets due process.....if you know what I mean. By the way......the race card just doesn't work here.

      • Posted By: angelus1967 @ 11/12/2007 11:32:43 AM

        It is a fact that minority defendants are given the death penalty far more often that white defendants are. I would like to know what putting someone to death accoplishes aside from feeding people's need for vengance. It is not a geterrant, it does not save money, it does not lessen overcrowding, in fact it does nothing that life without parole can do.

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