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  • Posted By: cbone @ 11/16/2007 8:11:17 PM

    i see this as a tragic event, but i am so tired of people blaming video games and television and music. every person has choices to make as they go along, and these people made the wrong ones. they were intelligent enough to get into a university, or own their own club, they should also be intelligent enough to know it's wrong to kill someone. i live in colorado, not too far from columbine high school, and the killings there were blamed on video games and music, the same ones that i play and listen to, and i'm not out plotting death and violence, because i'm making the right choices.the only sure thing here is that these people wanted to harm someone, and they obviously couldn't see it was going way too far. throw them in jail for life and don't make their stay pleasant.

    • Posted By: HedleySohn @ 11/16/2007 8:16:26 PM

      It is self responsibility, isn't it?
      I too am from LIttleton. It's curious how tragedy can wake up the spirit.

      • Posted By: cbone @ 11/16/2007 8:35:20 PM

        i think it is. we go to work because we have a responsibility to ourselves and our family to provide. if we choose not to go, then it is our responsibility still to explain why we can't provide. i believe that far too often, society just wants an answer as to why bad things happen, and more often than not, they choose the easiest and most agreeable for the situation. we could just cop out each time and say "they were drunk, or high" and leave it at that. most people would say "you're right! let's hang them!" and it would be over. luckily there are still people, like myself, who want to find the real reason, and not just the easily accepted one.

  • Posted By: rab015 @ 11/16/2007 7:48:31 PM

    Hey what do you expect when video games emulate murder and violence has become second nature in our entertainment and media...we revel it and like it. Every month a school is getting shot up and the prisons are filling up. It's everyone's fault because we're too lazy to teach our kids and we enjoy hiding behind the 2nd amendment...we're reaping what we sow and guess what? It's going to get worse.

    • Posted By: HedleySohn @ 11/16/2007 8:08:54 PM

      It doesn't need to get any worse.
      We can change the world. We just need to wake up from our ever so deep sleep.

  • Posted By: ru4real6846 @ 11/16/2007 7:56:28 PM

    Do you believe all the stuff that goes on in this world. It's like everyday, we hear of someone killing someone. I think a lot of it is taken from television or the movies or even video games that should be outlawed. What's this world coming to? It's getting worse and worse. It's not safe anywhere.

    • Posted By: HedleySohn @ 11/16/2007 8:07:15 PM

      I think it all comes down to freedom. Technology has "freed" us to explore so much. What we seem to forget is that freedom comes with the the price of responsibility; just because we "could" do something, doesn't mean that we should.
      Nothings Shocking! (all apologies JA)

  • Posted By: Burrow_Felix @ 11/16/2007 6:33:35 PM

    lol sorry I was having difficulties logging into this forum. Anyways, Americans culture is younger than everyone else's, we don't have the deep roots that some other members have been establishing within the European countries, as such, America is subject to trendy change- evidence of political parties and associations throughout the years. Americans, in general, usually like to know more about other cultures and often transfer students are local celebrities in high schools and college campuses. That being said, the older generation is still fairly racist especially mid-west and south, there is a huge immigration flux happening of Mexican, South American, various Muslim communites, and Hmongs, in MN it's not an outright racism but there are comments that are splurred and the older adults distance themselves for the new immigrants. However, Americans reputation overseas is not a pretty picture, and yes in Australia they all lumped me into an Imperialistic Bush supporter, which, made for a lot of political conversation. lol but I learned a lot, I learned that our media is fairly censored, and are educational system is laughable compared to the British version. I soon realized, unfortunately, why the Americans were subjected to so much because the American college students, only a few handful, eventually set three fires in the residence halls, thousands of dollars in damages, a few had to be sent back because of their bar brawls over who had the better country. Even fliers were posted on the residency hall stating the Americans had arrived- we were separated from everyone else- and that everyone should now lock their doors, as previously stated this warning was substantiated by Americans treatment of the place. However, I don't believe Knox's American origin had anything to do with her alleged involvement in the torture and murder of this young lady. But I do believe, very strongly, that if Americans' younger generation doesn't start shaping up- dropping our prison obsessed culture- and attend universities (or rather actually care about their education) we have a grim future indeed.

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 8:03:21 PM

      Funny that the Australians think all Americans are Bush supporters. Should I think all Australians hate Asians?

      The younger generations need role models and leaders. Mostly, they need parents. That's you guys. Particularly the Boomers and the post-boomers. The younger generations are modeling themselves after you. Thank God I had immigrant parents. They were real parents, not friends.

    • Posted By: Recu @ 11/16/2007 6:44:14 PM

      At last an intelligent comment. I thought I would never see one. There is someone with a brain out there.

      • Posted By: blight @ 11/16/2007 7:39:57 PM

        actually a pretty lame one. a lot of words doesn't mean smart.

  • Posted By: dottore10 @ 11/16/2007 8:03:08 PM

    last update: the last news tonight on tv - here in Italy - said that there is the chance the African guy wasn't there with Amanda and Sollicito in that room but another guy, so police are looking for this 4th guy

  • Posted By: Funkalicious77 @ 11/16/2007 4:54:54 PM

    Although I was born in America, my parents are Italian and I was raised with different values. The stench of egocentric arogance I see everyday among the new generation is beyond disgusting. There are few who respect life, it seems they are bored and searching for the lastest thrill to make them feel alive. I am sad and fearful of their future. It is obvious they were are responsible for this girls murder and yet they could have saved her, but decided to save face instead.

    • Posted By: pr2hi @ 11/16/2007 8:02:52 PM

      I actually agree with you on this. I think the morals of America's youth are on the decline. I see the kids now, doing things I would have never imagined doing at their age. I know every generation says that about the next, but really, drugs are common and sex is even more common. I guess what shocks me the most is the lack of respect my young girls have for themselves and the relationships they hold. I pray everyday that I am raising my two young children right, I want them to value themselves and others.

  • Posted By: MiatheCat @ 11/16/2007 12:30:46 PM

    Well there is some truth that Americans have a very bad record with race. While rest of the world abolished slavery 3000 years ago, in sixties in US blacks could not drink from the same fountain as whites. I am sorry to burst the bubble, but this is really embaressing in my opinion. Not to say all Americans are racist of course, but the girl coming from such a culture might have thought finding a black person and framing him will be easier. Look at all the black peope who were wrongly convicted after DNA evidence surfaced.
    Any how, if we want to fix US, we should stop denying that we have race problems. I am an immigrant in US and I have to say almost every one I know has been really nice to me (well I am white), and I think most people are not racist, but have for sure some what of negative bias against black people. This said, it is not like we in Europe are not biased against immigrants. So no need to snob Americans!

    • Posted By: OneOfThoseEvilAmericans @ 11/16/2007 12:37:14 PM

      Where did the 3000yrs ago comment come from or did you forget that Europe was also part of the Slave trade. Remeber Africa were European Colonies. So you sold them and we bought them and now we are the bad guys, I believe Europe currently is filled with Race issues, France, Italy )As stated in this article) But you call it Culturlism.. Funny..

      • Posted By: changetheworld @ 11/16/2007 1:42:20 PM

        I get so irritated over racial issues. It drives me crazy to meet people my age or my parents age that are racist. And I mean in all directions. I hate to break it to everyone but white people aren't the only ones that are racist. Black people that weren't even a sperm when slavery and segregation were happening act as though they are victims. Alot of the ones I know grew up in suburbia right next to the white people that lived there. Then there's the people that act like they live in the ghetto because of their race. Umm hello, if you live in the ghetto it has nothing to do with your race, but rather the fact that you chose to take a path in life that led you there, and then you chose to continue on that path and stay there. I am white, and I have alot of friends and family that are blacks and mexicans. Racism only exists because people of all races continue to make it an issue. It's funny how you hear about blacks not being able to use the same drinking fountains as whites in the 60's, yet we now have Black History Month, NAACP, Phillipino clubs in schools, and other racially segrated events and clubs that have no place for a white person. Yet if white people were to start such clubs or events they would be shut down immediately due to racism. Neither my generation or the generation before me had anything to do with slavery, so why the hell does anybody of any race within those generations have anything to say about racism. It's retarded that people judge other people by the color of their skin...no matter which direction the racism goes.

        • Posted By: ali109 @ 11/16/2007 3:12:55 PM

          This is yet another case of a spoiled American who will probably get away with her crimes and the other guys will rot in jail while she goes continues her 'awesome' Euro-trip.
          I think that the world is getting to a point where it is tired of Americans trashing other countries that they see as '3rd world', and they are finally being forced to pay for their crimes. The Black-water case is yet another example. And please, no flag waving and stars and stripes replies to this, I am not impressed by those types. Americans always like to go 'slumming' in other's countries, and get away with this, but when they are forced to face punishment for thier actions(like the one American in Singapore) the look on thier face is 'priceless'. I lived in Europe for 8 years, and I agree with the one poster who wrote that Americans put on a false personality when they go abroad, first, they are the loudest ones, always bragging that they come from Chicago or whereever, and being loud, and reminding everyone that EVERYTHING is better where they are from, then when they realize that no one is impressed with this behaviour, they put on new(and even falser) airs. I hope that this girl gets the harshest penalties available in Italy, and I hope that it is broadcast on Cablenews everywhere! This spoiled girl tried to pin this crime on everyone except for herself, and I hope that she is in jail for so long, that she never sees America again.

          • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:55:04 PM

            Yes, many Americans tend to be obnoxious in other countries. It is difficult for average Americans to travel to other countries because they are so far away (not a one hour train ride away). So, they do not understand how other places are different and how to act. This is not an excuse, though. However, while Americans act entitled right now, Europeans have been doing so for centuries. What's worse, is that they are complete hypocrites about it. Anyway, I am a child of immigrants to America and have traveled around the world extensively, and still believe that America is the best. That is not to say we don't have a ton to learn from other countries and that we should not act like "obnoxious Americans." People in Paris thought I was Parisian (and I'm not even white) and treated me well because I was not "obnoxious." However, I still thank God that I'm an American and for our wonderful country, for as many faults as we have because we have greater freedoms and choices than anywhere else in the world (even Europe).

        • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 6:54:14 PM

          Everyone in the world is racist. Racism exists because people refuse to acknowledge the intricacies of racial problems and issues, not because people "make it an issue." It is an issue and should be dealt as such. The problems of poverty and discrimination are not black and white. If you were born in a ghetto, you would know how much harder it is to get out of poverty than to remain in middle class suburbia when you were raised in middle class suburbia. You "changetheworld" are the reason racism is still a problem. You refuse to understand its nature and the difference between a cultural organization and a "segregated" one. A British club is fine just as a Phillipino club. A white supremacist club is not. Perhaps you do not understand the obvious aspects of racism-that Caucasians (aka whites) have all of the power in the world and thus do not understand the true nature of racism. Please. Only when you face reality will you "changetheworld."

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:03:22 PM

      Actually, the entire world has a bad track record for race. It's just that America's is more visible because we try to openly fix it (at least more than other countries) and because we've had to deal with immigration and multiculturalism longer than other countries. Only recently have European countries been facing similar issues. And oh how the neo-Nazis and xenophobia has been flourishing! Even Canada and Australia, those countries that everyone thinks is laid back and open, are intensely racist. Just check out their immigration policies!

      Also, let's face history. All of the greatest world's ills have been caused by European colonialism. So America has some hegemonic issues now. Europe caused the holocaust, the world wars, the extended violence in the Middle East, the drug triangle in Asia, the genocide in Rwanda, the diamond cartel, and on and on and on. Talk about people showing the rest of us (Americans included) how it's done! Thank you Belgians and Danish and French and Italians and British and Germans and Swiss! Thanks for teaching the Africans how to cut off each other's limbs and gang rape. Thanks for hoarding all of the world's money and pretending to be neutral. Thanks for causing all of the world's problems, graciously letting America finance your entire economy back from war, and then expecting America to clean up all of this blood.

    • Posted By: questher @ 11/16/2007 2:46:21 PM

      Actually, slavery still exists all over the world. The fact that it is "technically" illegal in most courties does not mean it no longer exists. Take a look at the slave labor situations in Africa and Asia. It is horrifying and the coutries that export most of the slave labor do very little to stop it. There is slave labor going on (especially with the sex industry) in ever developed country in the world. So no, it isn't only the citizens of the United States who are slow to realize the horror of slavery. It is the entire world.

    • Posted By: questher @ 11/16/2007 2:42:43 PM

      I'm sorry, but there is still slavery all over the world today. The fact that it is illegal in most countries does not mean it doesn't still exist. The Asian and African countries are primary sources for the world's slave labor force.

    • Posted By: glorycat @ 11/16/2007 12:34:52 PM

      First of all, we don't know if Lumumba was involved or not so how do we know if she was "blaming" him. Secondly, please read my comment. Who cares what culture she came from. She thinks it's okay to slit someone's throat. Obviously something more than "racist American upbringing" is wrong with her.

  • Posted By: Duane999 @ 11/16/2007 7:52:07 PM

    quit blaming her problems becasue she is an american. every time an american gets into trouble over seas everyone thinks they are being picked on becasue of being an american.
    I have travelled all over the world. many people from many different countries get into trouble in countries that do not have the same justice system as the USA...of course they let OJ off didnt they....hmmmm
    Anyways I am from Canada, they executed a Canadian in Texas for murder. But we Canadians didnt think he was executed becasue he was Canadian. We figure he got it for actually being a murderer.
    So everyone from the USA, chill out, other countries have good legal systems that dont do witch hunts.
    let justice prevail, i am sure there will be good eveidence in the end to either find them guilty or inocent.

  • Posted By: dottore10 @ 11/16/2007 1:58:21 PM

    Hi. I,m Italian. Actually all this talking about this fact by media is not because of an african guy involved, but because "normal" people,are involved people you would not expect this, like this normal family italian guy and his american girlfriend with a face like an angel, plus all this didn't happen in a very dangerous town like Napoli but in a tranquill small town, It happened already exactly the same thing for other 3 cases in the past but foreign media didn't talk about it because only italian people were involved.
    It is true there is a lot of racism in all of Europe, Italy included, unfotunately, but to people who think that it is only here , I remind you the K.K.K. is not an European sect and I advise them to visit Ellis Island's museum

    • Posted By: regal185 @ 11/16/2007 2:27:49 PM

      dottore10 - as a black American who lived in Europe for over 10 years (first in London than Gothenburg Sweden and Barcelona) I would agree that Europeans have a history of racism, but from my experience in today's context, Europeans are more culturalist and not racist. What I mean by that is take Sweden.....if you were from East Africa;say Ethopia, Eritrea, etc, you would have a very difficult time......but it you were from West Africa; Senegal, Ghana, Ivory Coast (Nigeria and Cameron to a lesser extent) you were treated vastly different. I personally think it is based on the fact that Islam is more prevalent in Eastern Africa then Western, beyond this there are differences betweent the two regions. The problem in the US is that American racism is a paradox because there is no logic to it. In Europe much of the cultural/racial issues are due to the fact that these places are trying to protect their cultural heritiage. Here in the states, this does not apply. If any person, black of white in the US, tells you that they have more in common with their country/continent of origin they're lying. I as a black American has more in common with a white American than someone from say Ghana. The reciprical is true as well for whites of European decent (who's family has been in the US over 100 years). This is the paradox that we as Americans must get past.

      • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:38:23 PM

        I disagree with one small point you make. I agree with you that Europeans are culturalists. However, from my personal experience as a minority, I also think that Europe is racist (as all of the world is). Otherwise, you state the rest of your assertion very well, and I quite agree that an American of any race has more in common with another American than another person of the same race but of another nationality.

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:35:38 PM

      No one thinks racism is only in Europe. Yes we have the KKK. You have the Nazis.

  • Posted By: imJzaKid @ 11/16/2007 1:55:32 PM

    why cant people differentiate right from wrong. if a kid like me can, why cant they. its jz appallin hw low people stoop nowadays. sexual imorality, crime, violence. now it isnt just individual crimes, its all of those 3 added up together.

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:33:38 PM

      Real kids don't write on lame discussion boards. Or write "jz appallin hw."

    • Posted By: aolivaw @ 11/16/2007 2:09:19 PM

      Stop emphasizing that you're a kid. Why would a real kid do that?

  • Posted By: akikmycister @ 11/16/2007 7:24:27 PM

    This is very disheartening!! This is truly a tragic story of three lives lost, but to think of the horror Ms Kercher went through while she was dying is incredibly sad. I prey her family and friends find some peace in their lives, because their grief will be incredibly hard to over come with the entire world looking on and judging all those involved. If I were them I would be praying for peace among all people and all nations. I would not want to hear all of this blaming and bias being permeated throughout the world. Under the right situation we are all capable of such violence. However, it generally takes an extreme trauma/event to cause us to break and commit this kind of violence upon another human being. However, their are some, who for some reason find their breaking point and delve into the sick minded realm committing these types of unspeakable acts. This whole thing is just sad!!. I would also like to address the comments regarding geographical predujices. Each of you making comments on those that live in places you have never been shame on you. While their are cultural norms, when it gets right down to it, people are people. Most of us want the same things in life, we want to be loved and we want our friends and family to be safe, healthy and happy. Of course we all know those things are not always experienced often enough, but we still want them. I know this because I am an American who has lived in Mississippi, Puyallup WA (near Seattle), Michigan, Indiana, and finally in Illinois (the Mid west). I have in the past three years, traveled to Europe including Italy, Germany, Malta, as well as, the countries of Mexico and Canada. I have friends in all of these places including the counteries of Israel and the middle east. I can truly say that I have known people in these places who are very scary, but mostly the people I have had the pleasure of knowing/meeting in all of these areas have been very wonderful and caring people. So please stop fighting and accusing, it only perpetuates the hate and violence. Life is not perfect, neither are people, so Please let's all say our condolences to the family and let go of all the prejudices.

  • Posted By: broncostevep @ 11/16/2007 1:29:22 PM

    A black guy commiting a murder? CRAZY! That never happens here in the U.S. The funny thing is we are waging this "War on Terror" because some middle eastern crazies fly some planes into the twin towers, the pentagon...etc....over 3,200 people died on 9/11/2001. This year alone some 20+ thousand violent crimes will be commited in the U.S. by black men. So, who are the terroists?

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:29:43 PM

      Actually, the terrorists if you want to know the truth, are the extreme banking elite and their allies in government who profit from war and national debt. Yes, that would include our oh so wonderful vice-president. Thanks for killing and continuing to let Americans die, Mr. Cheney.

    • Posted By: regal185 @ 11/16/2007 1:41:39 PM

      broncostevep - Please table your jaded persprective. You are makely the case for people who earlier were talking about how white American women get a pass. By spouting your racist point of view, you aid the Europeans who see our country as being hypocritical to blacks!

      • Posted By: broncostevep @ 11/16/2007 2:17:58 PM

        Sorry if the truth offends you Regal185, but the fact of the matter is I am scared to death by the violence here in the U.S. I find it offensive that the number one cause of death for black men under the age of 35 is murder. I find it offensive that it is 13 times more likely that a black man is going to commit a violent crime in the U.S. that any other race. I find it offensive that the blacks marched in thousands to protest the Jena6 verdict when it is Micha Bells 5th offense for violence. I admit I look with a jaded eye at middle easterners when I am getting on a plane. I also admit that I am sick and tired of the violence that black here in the U.S. keep commiting. Did you see the video of the big black man punching a 100 year old woman in the face to steal her purse in New York? You think I am a racist? If you think I am then see Darfur. They aren't racist...they just kill or mame everybody.

        • Posted By: karcer @ 11/16/2007 5:15:23 PM

          Are you not scared to death of white men because most of the victims of white serial killers are also white? You would be more scared by that statistic if you were so ignorant.

          • Posted By: karcer @ 11/16/2007 5:46:19 PM

            Meant to write if you were NOT so ignorant.

        • Posted By: kuroigirl68 @ 11/16/2007 3:47:27 PM

          Broncosteve, we don't think that you are a racist --we know it. What you failed to mention is 1) Most of the violent acts performed by young black men are against other young black men. 2) Yes, it was Micha's 5th offense, but there were 5 others involved being marched for and the point of the march was the lack of response to the underlying reason for the violence -- Nooses being hung to intimidate. However the biggest problem that I have with your post is the fact that you failed to get the big picture -- An innocent young woman was killed! Instead you choose to use this as a forum to sput your racist diatribe! How sad your life must be that you are so scared to death by black men. Perhaps you could leave the U.S for Darfur?

    • Posted By: Ddra20 @ 11/16/2007 4:56:02 PM

      bronco,
      Everyday I go to work and fight for your right to freely express yourself. Not because I believe in your view, but because I believe WHAT EVER you wish to express is your right and I will defend that right (regardless to what I think of it) everyday. I do this because I believe in HUMANITY and any human beings right to live and think freely. However, the buck stops when we decide who is human and who isn't, who's better and who isn't. Right is right and wrong, regardless to color. Until we start respecting the value of human life, then condition of mankind will not improve. This is not about race. Somebodies baby got killed and she died horribly over the course of 2 hours. I'm sure the last thing she was thinking about was race. It's our jobs/responsibility to honor her life by administering justice...and not based on race. Enough is enough.

    • Posted By: karcer @ 11/16/2007 4:44:49 PM

      So, I suppose no white guys commit murder in the US. What about the Peterson guy who killed his pregnant wife, or the latest Peterson guy who probably killed his wife also. What about all the erial killers like Jeffrey Dahmer? Sickness is sickness, race aside. Why do all the racists replying here seem to look past the fact that the (at least) two other people involved are white. All you're doing by trying to make this issue about race is exposing your own racism.

    • Posted By: kobbyjjoe @ 11/16/2007 4:35:46 PM

      Broncostevep or whatever your u call yourself, i read your post over 30 mins ago. Would you like to know why it took me so long to reply? I searched far and wide but couldn't find appropriate words to describe your stupidity. It is shocking that you actually went to school but was not raised by a group of baboons. Wait, they would have raised you better than you turned out.

    • Posted By: slthomas502 @ 11/16/2007 4:31:15 PM

      The statistics you quoted should continue to say that the vast majority of crimes committed by black men involves black victims - and most white victims are victimized by other whites; which makes the crimes no less horrendous - It is quite interesting that you chose to focus on the race of the black man, rather than the race and/or gender of the other suspects. Do all white men murder their pregnant wives? Do all white high school students shoot their classmates? A mind is truly a terrible thing to waste. If you rely so heavily on crime statistics, you have to acknowledge that you are more likely to be victimized by someone of your own race - worse yet, someone you probably know!

    • Posted By: blackgirl @ 11/16/2007 3:34:35 PM

      You are such an a$$hole.. Hell, for all we know YOU probably committed the crime. There is no place on this earth for racists like you. GOD forbid you ever get hurt and the persons eyes you look in for help is black..

    • Posted By: MonaLisa55122 @ 11/16/2007 3:20:12 PM

      so broncostevep..give me the statistic on the percentage of white guys committing a crime in the US.

    • Posted By: Mrs_Aubrey @ 11/16/2007 1:38:08 PM

      Why are you so insistent on blaming this an a BLACK guy?? Did you even read the article. Please this message board is so people can discuss in an adult manner and your racist factless comments are not welcomed on this site. And further more, its interesting how you are spewing these INCORRECT facts around when they have nothing to do with this topic. Please visit another site that will allow you to spread your racism, this site is for those who truely want to express their views in a respectful way.

  • Posted By: seawhispers @ 11/16/2007 1:17:25 PM

    I'm SO HAPPY YOU SAID THAT "jesussaves7". Noone nowadays likes to bring religion, God, or Jesus into things anymore....like they are afraid to say it. But it's true. A nation who takes GOD out of it....WILL SUFFER in the end. History has proven that over and over again. The Bible says not to argue the scriptures or "cast your pearls before swine"...meaning the unbelievers. Only in the very end, will people really get to see for themselves that everything in the Bible has been and always will be correct. God said his word would be forever....and I'd say that after 2,000 years, HE'S STUCK TO HIS WORD! Religious preference is up to each of us whether we believe it or not. I'm not going to turn this into a religious issue....but I will say that Without Jesus....there is no hope. I know when I draw my last breath....I don't want to know that I've gambled with my life by believing the wrong thing. Eternity is just that. People invest their life savings in money, materialistic things..... but they haven't invested in their OWN LIFE....with Jesus Christ. For in the book of Matthew: Chapter 16-verses 26-28. 26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27) For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28) Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Jesus was speaking in these verses. He knew exactly what he was talking about. Anyway....thanks for the comment "jesussaves7". If you really want to get down to the root of it ALL......it really does start .....at the cross.....doesn't it.... God Bless You. And may God be with the family of this young woman.

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:25:06 PM

      Actually, brilliant one, nowadays, everyone brings religion into everything. It is what is ruining religion and our nation. God and Christianity are sacred and should not be peddled in the way in which you are doing. Moreover, you can't just quote some random Bible verses. You don't even know what they really mean.

  • Posted By: dreamer @ 11/16/2007 7:24:07 PM

    As usual whenever there is a crime of this magnitude or any crime for that matter race will be push to the forefront of all pending and impending evidence ,and will subsequently be used as an example of the black race as the opitome of animality despite the inclusion of all of the other ethnicities involoved. Solomon Kale.

  • Posted By: cj_134 @ 11/16/2007 7:22:45 PM

    I think she needs some help from America to make sure she ain't being rail-roaded. If she's guilty I hope she goes to jail but if we think they are covering up the truth or hiding it. It's going to get a lot bigger. Your whole country is going to look bad.

  • Posted By: sassy @ 11/16/2007 4:23:53 PM

    What does any of this have to do with America or Americans!? Just because she is American? That is the stupidest thing I have EVER heard of. Some of you people are extremely warped in your mind. People will find any excuse to say something utterly vile and disgusting about America, even some of it;s own citizens who take advantage of their free speech. I have ancestors who died and spilled their blood for this country so stop being so disrespectful. America has plenty of culture and we are the most diverse country there is. People are banging down our door s to live here so lay off. As for other countires hating us..perhaps they are jealous.;ever think of that? Our country gives out more aid and assistance than any other country...yet we are evil? You all are crazy if you think that. Every country has some evil people....if you dont like America you dont have to live hear and if you dont live here mind your own business!

    • Posted By: havfruen @ 11/16/2007 7:20:43 PM

      It's good to see that you're proud of your country and heritage.
      So does everyone else, no matter what country we come from.

      Anyway, the clue to how the rest of the world feels about the US lies right there in your comment:

      'if you don't live here mind your own business!'

      So we're not allowed to have an opinion even, while the US has the right to mind everyone else's business, is that right?

      Never mind - you're right in that nationality has nothing to do with this tragic story, and neither has race.

    • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 11/16/2007 6:45:27 PM

      Last time I checked, "sassy", I live in a democracy and can voice my disappointment in my country WHENEVER I choose. And guess what? heinous behavior deserves "disrespect" as you call it. Open your blind little "sassy" eyes.

    • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 11/16/2007 6:43:03 PM

      I AM AMERICAN, "sassy", and ashamed of our behavior.

  • Posted By: capt america @ 11/16/2007 7:08:55 PM

    It is sad that this girl will probably represent all Americans in Italian minds. They already forget that we saved their a** from Hitler and Mussolini. That we saved them from the communists. People of the world forget that we Americans are The Arsenal of Democracy. Tell me if I'm wrong, but in Italy you are guilty and that you have to prove yourself innocent.

    • Posted By: manutdcj @ 11/16/2007 7:18:51 PM

      Wrong your innocent until proven guilty your thinking of France but most likely in Italia you would guilty until proven innocent if you were an American and didn't speak Italian!!!

    • Posted By: Recu @ 11/16/2007 7:16:21 PM

      Yes, You are wrong she doesn't represent me! Repeat after me there is nothing to fear but, fear itself.

  • Posted By: swissmiss22 @ 11/16/2007 7:17:53 PM

    Gee, and I just thought this was a clear cut case of horrible torture and murder perpetrated by three or four people.
    Reading all these posts going all over the map of religion, race and politics ; what happened to the simple facts of what happened ? A girl DIED !
    And for all you "Africa experts" out there, how come no-one has mentioned the "Lamumba" conection ? For all you racists out there... I am amazed no-one would bring up the ' tribal' connection to Patrice Lamumba.... surely , if he was guilty of all the atrocities that he initiated to liberate the Congo from colonial rule, shouldn't one of his family or tribe be guilty of this heinous crime ?
    Maybe all these racists have no grasp on contemporary history in the rest of the world but, I am disappointed in you guys for the puerile take you have on this sad, sad affair... I would have brought this up many posts
    before ! What happened to the Newsweek article saying that this man is well known and respected in the community ?
    I was a student in Perugia in the 60's (from Switzerland) and I mourn for what has happened in a community that I love and respect.

  • Posted By: desidj75 @ 11/16/2007 1:03:10 PM

    Just send Amanda to prison.... an all-male prison, where they will reap this *** apart night after night. an eye for an eye.

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:17:44 PM

      Oh my God!! You are a violent person, not to mention an uneducated one. An eye for an eye does not mean this. Please research properly. There may have been more than one person involved, so please check your violent notions.

  • Posted By: manutdcj @ 11/16/2007 7:14:10 PM

    Wow what sad story it just goes to show you how sick are society is getting.

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