Death in Perugia

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  • Posted By: MDre22 @ 11/16/2007 12:58:15 PM

    Just because in Sealtte, she portrayed herself as some innocent girl does not mean she did not have another evil, crazy side..that could pull something like this off. she did it ...they did it...something sick and twisted went terribly worng....end of story!

    • Posted By: fastmover @ 11/16/2007 1:06:00 PM

      The black guy From a third world crap hole owned the murder weapon,does that make me a racist?? The truth is some times very simple,lets wait for it....

      • Posted By: Mrs_Aubrey @ 11/16/2007 1:33:22 PM

        Axactly when did the article say he was black?!?!?!? Are you just saying this becuase of an assumption about his name. So please tell me why you would automatically assume such a thing. Why does race even have to be a factor. What are you trying to prove with this!!!!

        • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:11:23 PM

          Race is always an issue.

        • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 11/16/2007 4:26:17 PM

          They actually showed his photo, ma'am. And he is in as deep as the others, make no mistake. Evil begetting evil.

        • Posted By: Michamer @ 11/16/2007 1:59:36 PM

          Umm... Mrs Aubrey, His picture suggests he is black.

  • Posted By: ncjoy @ 11/16/2007 12:57:14 PM

    Sounds like the poor innocent little American girl finally messed up.....but her family will no doubt pay a huge sum to a defense lawyer and the two men will be the ones who face charges....

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:10:51 PM

      And where did it say that this poor innocent little American girl had enough money to pay for a flashy Italian defense lawyer? You would need quite a few more dollars to match the Euro.

  • Posted By: rodneyarvid @ 11/16/2007 12:54:08 PM

    it is a system and we are all a part of it. If we cut off a "bad" part, we cut off a part of the system. not to say we are all in deep s... . There is a way out. I suggest we all go back to living off the land and get rid of cell phones, TVs, and start growing our own potatoes and enjoy LIFE around us. it is really amazing to See, Feel, Smell, Hear, and Taste life. Help an insect that is in the water to fly again. It makes a dramitic change in the way you think abount things...

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:09:09 PM

      We can do this without becoming Amish. There is murder and sexual abuse and rape in the Amish community, too. No community is immune.

  • Posted By: capt america @ 11/16/2007 7:08:27 PM

    It is sad that this girl will probably represent all Americans in Italian minds. They already forget that we saved their a** from Hitler and Mussolini. That we saved them from the communists. People of the world forget that we Americans are The Arsenal of Democracy. Tell me if I'm wrong, but in Italy you are guilty and that you have to prove yourself innocent.

  • Posted By: Judio25 @ 11/16/2007 6:28:23 AM

    Knox is in big trouble. She will never get even close to a fair trial. What's with that judge? I thought he's suppose to be neutral. He's already telling the world what happened and who did it.. Yikes! Knox better get a extremely good lawyer.

    • Posted By: charlton22 @ 11/16/2007 7:07:39 PM

      Its Italy...not America...you don't get all the bells and whistles of due process and "fair trials" the way you would here. She broke the law in another country, and as such, she should pay by THEIR rules. Seems pretty clear what happened.

    • Posted By: Kumalator @ 11/16/2007 1:45:19 PM

      I think you need to study the Italian legal system before you make such claims about whether or not Knox will get a fair trial. It is different in many key respects from the US system. Look at previous posts for some guidance. In any case, if she is convicted she will not be put to death, since most of the enlightened world (Italy included) does not practice the death penalty.
      And by the way, the investigating judge is a woman.

  • Posted By: capt america @ 11/16/2007 7:06:27 PM

    It is sad that this girl will probably represent all Americans in Italian minds. They already forget that we saved their a** from Hitler and Mussolini. That we saved them from the communists. People of the world forget that we Americans are The Arsenal of Democracy. Tell me if I'm wrong, but in Italy you are guilty and that you have to prove yourself innocent.

  • Posted By: radumser @ 11/16/2007 12:41:23 PM

    I know and understand why and how the media wants to embellish and distort the story. The forces behind the need for monetary return, overwhelm the desire to be honest and truthful. I hate the exaggeration and innuendo perpetuated upon a readership by the media writers, but am powerless to effect a change. Just a snapshot of the world today demonstrating the tolerance for situational ethics and moral collapse.

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 7:06:01 PM

      Not true. You can do something. Write to the news organizations, boycott them, use your power as a consumer. We may feel helpless, but we can do everything we can do to help.

  • Posted By: HedleySohn @ 11/16/2007 5:54:13 PM

    You are amused by this? You are laughing?
    These are children-our children. We have failed them.
    We have taught them to indulge. We have provided them with everything, and given them nothing.
    You laugh?
    You are culpable. You and I both have failed in the most important task of our lives. That of providing a roadmap for the young to follow.
    With our "respect" for one another, and our "attention" to doing the right things, we have failed to teach our young the basics of right and wrong. Our advanced degrees and "freedom of speech" arguments have left our young without a conscience.
    "Ironic", is how our generation will be remembered.

    • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 11/16/2007 6:52:19 PM

      Sir, you are so right on. You've got a lot of wisdom. And you're right. We have all failed our children. There is a vaccum, a black sucking hole where a morality structure should have been. You are so right on!!! Thanks for your words.

      • Posted By: blight @ 11/16/2007 7:05:21 PM

        and june has extreme issues

    • Posted By: blight @ 11/16/2007 6:08:06 PM

      you have issues

  • Posted By: HedleySohn @ 11/16/2007 6:33:42 PM

    Anyone else ready to tackle instant gratification?
    Myself, I grew up in the dawn of the age of IG. I cannot claim to be a prude.
    I realized that self respect is larger than just me.
    We are a stronger people when we hold ourselves to high standards. We are an admirable people when we can clearly distinguish right and wrong. We are to be emulated when we can manage our freedoms without descending into hedonism.
    Are we ready to lead again?

    • Posted By: Recu @ 11/16/2007 6:51:08 PM

      What are You emulating?

      • Posted By: HedleySohn @ 11/16/2007 7:01:45 PM

        That hurt.

        You're right though.

  • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 11/16/2007 4:23:21 PM

    Americans just making friends wherever they go.... They should ban us from entering their countries. Spoiled, materialistic, selfish, bored with normalcy and goodness, we seek out evil in all its forms to just "feel" again.
    Don't think its true? Look at the number of student school shootings we have, cutting fetuses out of wombs.
    Amanda just instigating the fallen values of her country. You can take the girl out of the evil, but you can't take the evil out of the girl. The Italians probably feel the same way about Sollecito.

    • Posted By: blight @ 11/16/2007 5:55:01 PM

      you have issues

      • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 11/16/2007 6:55:08 PM

        Apparently, so do you because you only have a three word response to such a daunting issue.

    • Posted By: Jahammon @ 11/16/2007 5:52:50 PM

      Every Country have their share of evil. Yes, someone is raped every 3 seconds in America and over 309 thousand women, children, including toddlers and infants are raped every year in South Africa. The murder rate in both countries is shameful. I fear for my two young daughters in any Country. The World has become an unsafe place for humans, animals, and environment. God help us.

  • Posted By: HedleySohn @ 11/16/2007 5:41:25 PM

    Comment?
    There is such despair, such awful disrespect of life, and with so much gratification readily available. We have so much freedom, but we have not taught our young about the restraint required by freedom.
    Someone out there thought this was funny. They bragged about laughing. They too, neglect the responsibilty of freedom.
    Civilizations greater than this one have vanished for many of the same basil issues.
    If there are any adults out there, this is yet another wake up call! Enough with the self indulgence! Enough with the intellectual arrogance! Our kids hurt! We have failed them with out political correctness and our impotence to teach right and wrong. Is there anybody out there?

    • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 11/16/2007 6:53:20 PM

      Sir, I hear you loud and clear.

  • Posted By: WARLORD @ 11/16/2007 6:49:50 PM

    When u play with Fire u get burned !!!

  • Posted By: tessamay08 @ 11/16/2007 6:38:22 PM

    Sometimes "politics" outweigh the actual crime.
    This girl, no matter the cirumstances of her life and her decision, was still a person hopes and dreams and aspirations, was someones daughter, sister, friend, and acquaintance.
    And she was brutally raped and murdered.
    Lets hope someone will find justice for her soul, whether its an american college student, an italian, an immigrant, or a perfect stranger.

    • Posted By: june_bug_777 @ 11/16/2007 6:49:13 PM

      Well said, well said. That poor, poor child.

  • Posted By: grannygrunt @ 11/16/2007 5:08:35 PM

    If young kids were taught the way they use to be. (Abstinence)
    there would be far less violence or murder. Young people are only told by their parents, to wait for the "right one" before having sexual relations. The family of the young girl that was murdered is so awful, words can't even begin to heal their misery. narcy420@msn.com

    • Posted By: havfruen @ 11/16/2007 6:49:02 PM

      Dear Grannygrunt.
      It's a sweet sentiment, but a crock nonetheless!
      Just because times were different when you were young and things weren't spoken about or reported to the police, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
      It did.

    • Posted By: dksfdem @ 11/16/2007 6:35:14 PM

      Abstinence education would've prevented this? Really? I guess if you don't count Jack the Ripper, racial lynchings, the holocaust, slavery, and Native American genocide, things were so much more peaceful back in the good old days. Well, at least the Catholic church still demands abstinence - good thing you can still find safety from the deviant hordes under the protection of their unblemished priests! Oh wait...

  • Posted By: kenkd @ 11/16/2007 12:15:14 PM

    It is amazing how you supposedly 'intelligent people' go way off the subject and inject some insidious notion about race and everything else on this topic when the real fact is that here you have some pretty perverted notion about sex and the means to an end that distorts the loveliness of the act, and the societal lack of morals underlying this hideous crime. We need to nip ind

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 6:45:18 PM

      Because as any intelligent person knows, race and gender play roles, not necessarily in this crime as committed by the perpetrator(s), but because it has everything to do with people's perceptions, motivations, and the effect of legal systems (any legal systems).

  • Posted By: PaxTerminus @ 11/16/2007 12:20:26 PM

    First of all, if she did it - she is very lucky to commit this heinous crime in Europe, where the legal system is far more advanced, far more balanced and far more professional than that of the US.

    She wil be judged by a panel of professional judges with years of expirience based on the case made by the procsecution and the defense and those judges have to adhere to the letter of the law versus US, where the judges and the jury make their decision based on their personal feelings toward the accused and the victim.

    The judges may want Amanda Knox to be skinned alive, but if the law says, that based on the evidence and the involvement she gets 8 yrs, she will get 8 yrs. One thing is sure - she will spend less time in prison for murder, that in the US you get for smoking weed.

    • Posted By: helpfulheroine @ 11/16/2007 6:41:25 PM

      Yes, I forgot that judges always do what is right and are never susceptible to human nature. Thanks for reminding me. I should know - I'm a judge.

  • Posted By: dr:noitall @ 11/16/2007 2:15:41 PM

    hi, idon't know if many peolpe are aware of some of the issues at play here. i lived in italy for 7 years, as a type of exchange student. i witnesses some very depressing scenerios to a free american girl. for one thing, it is a very patriartic society, in which the girl is still considered nothing until she marries, and this is true for the current generation as well as the older one, around parents age. it is against a girl who lives and supports itself on her own. "she should stay at home and wait for a husband." also, girls are treated as sexual playthings even if one doesn' t dress provocatively. in the north it is only slightly better than in the south. FYI, perugia is in central italy, near the where the pope lives in rome, about 220 km (double that for a very rough miles estimate). and the church still thinks that a woman should be extremly obediant to all male.
    another aspect of that society that should interest and disgust people is this: males are allowed to be extremly permiscous, even while married and the woman is simply supposed to accept it and remain faithful. however, if a woman should do the same, even when single and moved out the family would tantamount disown her. in the south its worse. use your imagination. and if she is promiscous while married, the husband can legally pretty much divorce her. gives you something to think about, doesn't it?
    if amanda had wanted to keep her boyfriend, and kercher didn't really know the setting... and Sollectico (it mean ticklish by the way) said only one one condition to help my friend.. can give someone somehting to think about defenitly. also, forget the hype over europe in an uproar, i live here and there hasn't even been a whisper. so take the story with a grain of salt, especially since italian boys are known to be just a little overdramatic.

    • Posted By: havfruen @ 11/16/2007 6:40:11 PM

      It's good to hear that at least YOU think you know it all.
      And your comment might have been interesting if it was in any way related to the article and the story.

      But it's not, is it?!

      Yes, one of the guys is Italian, the girl is American, the second guy is African, and the victim was English.
      Bottomline being that I don't think Italian society at large is much of an issue in this context.

      What the hell were you studying for 7 years??

    • Posted By: lagba @ 11/16/2007 3:10:27 PM

      You wrote: " about 220 km (double that for a very rough miles estimate)" That would give you about 440 miles.
      Actually, a kilometer is approximately 6/10ths of a mile, so if you multiply 220 km by .6, you get 132 miles.

    • Posted By: aolivaw @ 11/16/2007 2:24:01 PM

      That was insightful. Thanks. My thoughts on reading the article was that she may have been going along with what her boyfriend told her to do (being the timid, shy person that her friends described her), and that she is being cast as the villain because she was the first to crack with the police.

  • Posted By: joyjoy33 @ 11/16/2007 6:15:30 PM

    yeah america is AWESOME, SURE. and people are innoent until proven guitly here,, SURE. please Recu, wake up. everyone in the world hates us american its embarrasing and now some stupid white trash girl goes and kills another girl in italy.. i hope she rots in jail in a foreign country ALONE.

    • Posted By: Recu @ 11/16/2007 6:29:11 PM

      I may be an American but, I am not related to this person and besides that the investigation is not over yet. If you have a problem with values make a change.

  • Posted By: rab015 @ 11/16/2007 6:27:21 PM

    It's too bad Italy doesn't have a death penalty. It appears Know would be a prime candidate.

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