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Examining PETA’s Prez

Film takes a hard but admiring look at animal-rights militant Ingrid Newkirk

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  • Posted By: dewcooper @ 04/30/2008 11:10:01 AM

    I would hope the documentory presents the fact that PETA euthenizes thousands of dogs and cats in their 'no kill' shelters...

    • Posted By: Aaron S. @ 07/02/2009 6:52:41 PM

      What else do you want them to do? Keep them in the cages until they die of old age, while other abused animals aren't put up for adoption? Or just turn them out on the streets to be abused? Listen, things like this are never an easy decision. Is a life of abuse worth living, or is it better to euthanize when it's obvious that you can't save it? The answer isn't going to come easily, and if some people disagree with PETA's (and the Humane Society's) stance on euthanasia, that's understandable - but I don't think that the matter is so clear-cut or hypocritical that strong opinions are really justified.

  • Posted By: j petersmith @ 11/18/2007 9:39:11 AM

    Newkirk's group is not really an animal welfare advocacy group. They have a philosophical belief that animals should not be used for food, clothing, entertainment, work, transportation, or any other use by humans. Animals that exist in order to be used by humans should not exist. They strive for a world without livestock, pets, draft animals, fur animals, etc. They strive for an end to hunting and fishing. They strive for all animals to be wild, and for them to not be bothered or intruded upon by humans.

    The instances of PETA being involved in dog killings is very consistent with their goals. Each dog killed means a thousand future dogs saved from suffering. Instances of animal abuse become material for arguing for the extermination of large categories of animals. They actually love for animals to be abused, as it gives them more material for their extermination arguments. In my opinion, it is not at all the tactics of this group that are reprehensible, it is their goals......

    • Posted By: bigmeandaddy @ 12/18/2008 3:06:05 PM

      'The instances of PETA being involved in dog killings is very consistent with their goals. Each dog killed means a thousand future dogs saved from suffering'

      Just change 'PETA' to 'The Party', and 'dog' to 'jew, ' and you would do Eichmann proud...

  • Posted By: lolee777 @ 11/19/2007 5:17:13 PM

    I really don't understand the hate towards PETA...Sure some of their methods might not be the best but who cares? At least they are doing something...What is wrong abouit protecting other species? Wether they're plants or animals? Are we still that stupid to belive Earth belong to us and we can do anything we want? Then again you might have a point: why you should care about anyone or anything else than your meat eating, polluting brainless butt? Hey...50 years from now, you'll already be dead right? So who cares right?

    • Posted By: Joanie45663 @ 11/22/2007 1:31:25 PM

      Would you like it if one of PETA's whacko's handed your child a bucket of blood and feathers? That is really stooping pretty low to do that to a child. Their methods are anything but respectable and I certainly would not be happy if they did that to one of my kids. They'd be picking their butt and their teeth up off the ground should they hand my children something like that!!

      • Posted By: knucklesandwich505 @ 12/19/2007 5:06:57 AM

        Oh yes, by all means, protect the children from the truth. This is the very sentiment that allows these abuses to go on unchallenged, ignorant parents who wish to raise ignorant children. Bravo, Joanie. Bravo.

        • Posted By: bigmeandaddy @ 12/18/2008 2:59:17 PM

          if peta was interested inm 'truth', they'd provide guided tours of their 'dead doggy' freezer in Norfolk

    • Posted By: bigmeandaddy @ 12/18/2008 2:57:44 PM

      who cares????? have you seen the sick crap they have published and pushed at unsuspecting children? let me tell you, i'm not a violent man by nature, but should any of those wackadoos try pushing one of those 'mommy kills' pamphlets at my children, i wil regard it as equivalent to passing pornography, and the offender will be treated accordingly...

  • Posted By: bigmeandaddy @ 12/18/2008 2:47:44 PM

    the film takes a back seat to this 'column' in its admiration of newkirk...alston, your bias is showing...

  • Posted By: etbmfa @ 11/20/2007 12:56:46 PM

    7 Things You Didn't Know About PeTA

    1. PeTA has stated repeatedly that their goal is "total animal liberation." This means no pets, no meat, no milk, no zoos, no circuses, no fishing, no hunting, no farming, no leather, and no animal testing for lifesaving medicines.
    2. PeTA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals.
    3. PeTA funds the misnamed Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine an animal-rights organization that presents itself as an unbiased source for nutritional information and has links to violent animal-rights groups called SHAC and ALF.
    4. PeTA has used their contributors tax-exempt donations to fund the North American Earth Liberation front and the Animal Liberation Front, FBI-certified domestic terrorist groups responsible for fire bombs and death threats.
    5. PeTA regularly targets kids as early as elementary school with anti-meat and anti-milk propaganda. They are totally opposed to traditional farming methods.
    6. PeTA spends less than one percent of its $13 million budget actually caring for animals. PeTA kills animals.
    7. PeTA has repeatedly attacked groups like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, for conducting animal testing to find cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases.
    source: www.consumerfreedom.com

    • Posted By: Joanie45663 @ 11/22/2007 1:23:16 PM

      etbmfa, You are SSOOOOO right on all of this!! PETA is a real bunch of terrorists and they have ideals that can never be realized by any country. They fail to realize that eating meat is an instinct, not eatiing it is a choice.

      I don't subscribe to their ridiculous propaganda anymore. I find that comparing the people killed during the Holocaust to animals is really stooping to an all-time low even for PETA and that is what I saw on their big TV special on HBO. What a shame that humans died and those disgusting jackasses are using it to spread their "ideologies".

      Protecting other species? hhmmm, if it were not for humans in the first place, we would have already lost many species and PETA certainly can not take all of the credit for that. Unless the national media (or someone with a TV camera) shows up, they are not interested in getting involved. I know this first hand, I asked them for help a couple of times, they inquired as to whether the media would be there, when I said no, they didn't want to get involved.

      PETA is pushing unrealistic ideologies on those of us who are simply NOT interested. I think that those who support PETA need their head checked. I am an animal lover, I am all for humane treatment of animals but you can not control everyone, you can not force animal owners to 'free their animals and pets' and that we are all going to live in happy harmony. Those pretty pastural paintings of lions and lambs bedding down together are NOT going to become a reality! Well, the lion will eat the lamb and take a nap but that isn't what PETA fantasizes about. I will not give up my pets or my pet store of show rabbits for PETA or ALF or any other terroristic organization. I will do whatever it takes to protect what I have and myself and I suggest that others do the same. Fight for our rights to own animals and maybe that money-grubbing bunch of scam artists will go away when they see that we aren't going to buckle and we aren't going to funnel money into their pockets.

      PETA KILLS ANIMALS!!

      • Posted By: suha @ 01/03/2008 4:44:35 AM

        I'm just a bit confused by the statement, "If it were not for humans in the first place, we would have lost many species." Sorry, but aren't most endangered animals today endangered because of the way we live?

  • Posted By: t9900 @ 11/17/2007 10:40:34 AM

    I know exactly where my meat comes from and how the animals are treated and killed. But that doesn't stop me or most sane people from not eating meat. Humans are omnivores. We eat meat and plants. Humans are animals too, but you do not see PETA going after animals that kill other animals. Why is it that humans can't kill and eat animals but other animals can? Eating meat and killing animals is natural. Though other animals don't always kill for the same resons we do, we are a lot smarter and stronger. That's why we have things that can go the speed of sound or can cure/prevent diseases and animals can't..

    • Posted By: knucklesandwich505 @ 12/19/2007 5:49:23 AM

      Smarter, eh? OK, genius. I'll take apart this DVD player, let you in the room, and watch as you attempt to put it back together again. Wanna make ridiculous comparisons between yourself and the wild animals? Ok, go ahead. Live outside, naked, and hunt with your hands. Your opposable thumb should give you quite the advantage out there. Fend for yourself and hunt daily, and go to sleep hungry many nights. Do this, and I won't yell at you for ripping an animal apart and eating it raw like the lions do.

    • Posted By: Diannari @ 11/17/2007 3:50:13 PM

      Oh, come on. There is a huge difference between "killing" and "exploiting and torturing" and if you don't see that, then there's no hope for you. And SMARTER? How are we smarter???? We are corrupt, are destroying our planet and steal. We are also leaving nothing but garbage for our kids and grandkids to inherit. We were given something beautiful in this earth and all we have done is exploit and destroy. Hands down, the animals are MUCH SMARTER.

      • Posted By: t9900 @ 11/17/2007 8:47:04 PM

        Smarter than you perhaps but not us. If animals were smarter, than why are we controling them so easily. Most, if not all animals may seem smart becuase of what they do (for example the way animals, insects specificaly, gather food or build homes) but thats instinct and that may seem great and all, but thats it. They don't have scientists to make it easier or better. Is all you do look at the bad things of humanity? We can travel in space; most animals, that do not fly, can't get off the ground. We can wipe diseases that harm us off the face of the Earth or find cures for them; animals do nothing to stop diseases and roll over and die when they get them. Yes we have curruption and evil people, but animals don't, because animals lack the thinking capability. If you think what humans create is so evil, than you should live like an animal and stop using our resources. Get off the internet too, becuase thats a human creation, made to help communication between people though it can be considered 'garbage we are leaving are children" becuase of some content and sometimes currupt information put on it. Your such a hypocryte. What's next for you, giving animals (non-humans) the right to vote?

  • Posted By: PETAbread @ 11/18/2007 11:54:51 PM

    I had joined PETA a long time ago and I think it is a great organization. Why should any living thing be treated as a piece of fashion or a piece of meat--- get it? ITS A PUN! But really. I believe that it is not fair to raise a creature to be eaten or slaughtered. What 'life' is that? A crappy one...

    • Posted By: Lycanthropic @ 12/16/2007 4:13:21 PM

      If you own a dog, PETA hates you. You're a slave owner. And I hope you're a vegan. Total vegan. Or else PETA hates you. And I hope you're goal is to destroy ALL domestic animals. Or else PETA hates you.

      • Posted By: knucklesandwich505 @ 12/19/2007 5:22:08 AM

        It's funny. The only HATE I see here is from the anti-PETA people. Not ironic, it's also where I am seeing the most misspelling, utter conjecture and outright lies, and overall ignorance and spastic train of thought......have another Big Mac, folks.

  • Posted By: No2Peta @ 11/17/2007 12:20:56 PM

    Why people listen to that Nazi Ingrid is beyond me.She like Peta are out only to misinform and brain wash people and their good nature.Thats it.She gets rich while Peta kills thousands of animals a yrs for no reason what so ever then has the nerve to turn around and harrasse meat eaters and animal farmers trying to make a living and support their families.Plus I've yet to see one single credible video or statistic by Peta.

    • Posted By: Diannari @ 11/17/2007 3:45:44 PM

      Well that's ridiculous - you obviously haven't watched any of the credible countless videos. Just because you choose not to look or watch them does not mean they don't exist. Living in ignorance isn't acceptable.

      • Posted By: knucklesandwich505 @ 12/19/2007 5:16:58 AM

        Maybe not acceptable, but, as this board will clearly indicate, certainly popular. ;-)

  • Posted By: MadeWithMacromedia @ 11/19/2007 11:00:23 AM

    There is a difference between an animal rights group and crazy hooligans destroying other peoples property.... PETA seem to cross the boundry alot! I all against animal cruelty and whatnot... but we gotta eat!

    • Posted By: snoules @ 11/19/2007 12:35:56 PM

      The justification for PETA existence lies in your comment. Your crass "whatnot" and "but we gotta eat" reveals your callous attitude to most of what PETA and other animal rights organizations try to stop. In order for you to eat meat, harmless rabbits, minks and other fur bearing animals do not have to be SKINNED ALIVE. Also, extreme cruel and almost always unneccessary tests on animals in laboratories have no bearing on you eating or for that matter, on doing reliable research for drugs. Animal testing exists for two main reasons: one, so that pharmaceutical and cosmetics companies can cover their ass and say later on when a drug kills people, Oh, but look at our research. It didn't kill any animals at that strength, so maybe you have the problem, not our drug. Case in point, Vioxx. Also, animal testing is totally unrelated to whether or not the same drug will work in people. The ONLY SAFE AND RELIABLE WAY TO CONDUCT PHARMACEUTICAL RESEARCH is to go the way of stem cells and other non-invasive human testing.
      Also, a big reason for the existence of animal testing is because in the research world, none of your peers take you seriously unless you can say that you have done x number and x types of tests...that gives your cred in the research world. And finally, it's a good business to be in. Big pharma pays BILLIONS to hundreds of thousands of newbie researchers in grants in the gamble that some fool somewhere will accidentally come up with their next big multi-billion dollar wonder drug.

      • Posted By: knucklesandwich505 @ 12/19/2007 5:10:41 AM

        I wonder how many of these drones would be shocked to find out just how little actual VIABLE information, relevant to humans, has been derived from animal testing, or on the contrary, how many human DEATHS have been caused because the researchers had "successful" tests with animals and decided that this meant the drugs would be safe for humans. Oh, wait, that would take actual research, something these animal haters are not interested in. ;-)

  • Posted By: knucklesandwich505 @ 12/19/2007 2:44:32 AM

    All the anti-PETA propaganda going on here is making me sick. The footage made it to HBO, people. It's right there. These hate mongerers can SAY whatever they want, they can't erase that footage from my mind. The arctic foxes being skinned ALIVE on film, that one being STOMPED ON until blood oozed from its nostrils....the turkeys being hurld into brick walls and sat on and PUNCHED on their way to having their necks slit... that cow, its neck slit, slipping and falling in its own blood, all because the person responsible for knocking it out was careless and it remained conscious as it was cut.....I wonder why all of you are avoiding talking about THIS in your freakishly ignorant anti-PETA diatribes. Have any of you gone to the HSUS' website lately? You should go, they have film of a man beating a baby harbor seal to death with a baseball bat with a metal HOOK in the end of it. Go to YouTube and watch that footage of the dog being ripped apart in front of a crowd of people...... Why are we not talking about THAT? The footage does not lie. You might. But it does not. Remember, all of you who have yet to wake up, your computer will lead you to the truth, so you do NOT have to listen to the lies being spread here. Or, you can just go back to sleep. Your choice.

  • Posted By: kayakamatic @ 11/21/2007 9:58:57 PM

    This documentary included footage of a fox that was skinned alive. The animal was still breathing and blinking it's eyes , it's skin pulled off of it's body. etbmfa, I guess you condone that. We are along way from no
    fishing, no farming, no hunting. How about just treating the animals humanely before slaughter. What do you say to that, etbmfa? Is that really a radical position?

    • Posted By: Reigning Kat @ 11/22/2007 3:31:52 PM

      wonder how much they paid that Chinese man to skin that animal alive for PeTA;s cameras. PeTA has been known to do this. It was just too perfedt how that one animal ended up on top all the other completely dead ones before they were skinned. It looked like it was carefully placed there so the camera could follow every move.

      • Posted By: kayakamatic @ 11/23/2007 7:25:32 PM

        And FYI Reigning Kat, I'm not a member of PETA and I'm not a vegetarian. I do think it's wrong to skin an animal who's still alive!

      • Posted By: kayakamatic @ 11/23/2007 6:32:36 PM

        Peta's been known to do this? Where's your proof Reigning Kat?
        FYI - the Peta Kills animals group is financed by the Center For Consumer Freedom and got their seed money from Philip Morris according to the New York Times. Wow, I guess those organizations have the average person's best interest at heart.

  • Posted By: theprotz @ 11/23/2007 5:49:37 PM

    Newkirk's philosophy of humanity is flawed, whether confirmed or not.. And her disrespect for humanity is a testament to her hypocrisy. Also, your article is flawed IMO. In the end, you state that no person should have the right to impose his or her opinion etc.. etc.. Newsflash!! This is America, and the same facets of law that apply to PETA also apply to the public. Therefore, if Newkirk and her animal rights zealots have the right to ruin people's clothes and conduct public ridicule, then I sure as heck have the right to impose my opinion on anyone, and anywhere, I choose! I think you could have worded it differently and supported your point more thoroughly. I'll give you an example: A democracy exists when people impose their own opinions, regardless of the consequences, in open debate.. A dictatorship exists when people enforce their opinions through conventional, or unconventional, means to produce the desired outcome and oppress anyone who stands against that. I see this article as really nothing more than biased in her defense. Granted, there should be federal regulations against animal cruelty that should be imposed on the Animal Foods Industry.. But.. The fact still remains that the average person really does not care one way or the other about how a turkey meets it's demise.. It's the end product that they care about.. As long as we have our Butterball and Thanksgiving feasts, the majority of us are happy. Remember the Neanderthal? Do you think he considered Animal Rights? What about Inuits or Equestrians? The whole PETA argument is lost to the fact that we still live on Earth, which is a dangerous and sometimes inhospitable place where existence is rooted in suffering and death. And no matter how many fur coats they ruin with red paint, they will never be able to stop people from indulging.

  • Posted By: theprotz @ 11/23/2007 5:48:58 PM

    Newkirk's philosophy of humanity is flawed, whether confirmed or not.. And her disrespect for humanity is a testament to her hypocrisy. Also, your article is flawed IMO. In the end, you state that no person should have the right to impose his or her opinion etc.. etc.. Newsflash!! This is America, and the same facets of law that apply to PETA also apply to the public. Therefore, if Newkirk and her animal rights zealots have the right to ruin people's clothes and conduct public ridicule, then I sure as heck have the right to impose my opinion on anyone, and anywhere, I choose! I think you could have worded it differently and supported your point more thoroughly. I'll give you an example: A democracy exists when people impose their own opinions, regardless of the consequences, in open debate.. A dictatorship exists when people enforce their opinions through conventional, or unconventional, means to produce the desired outcome and oppress anyone who stands against that. I see this article as really nothing more than biased in her defense. Granted, there should be federal regulations against animal cruelty that should be imposed on the Animal Foods Industry.. But.. The fact still remains that the average person really does not care one way or the other about how a turkey meets it's demise.. It's the end product that they care about.. As long as we have our Butterball and Thanksgiving feasts, the majority of us are happy. Remember the Neanderthal? Do you think he considered Animal Rights? What about Inuits or Equestrians? The whole PETA argument is lost to the fact that we still live on Earth, which is a dangerous and sometimes inhospitable place where existence is rooted in suffering and death. And no matter how many fur coats they ruin with red paint, they will never be able to stop people from indulging.

  • Posted By: Reigning Kat @ 11/22/2007 5:01:18 PM

    That Diannari person is your typical PeTA brainwashed robot. It just spits our PeTA retoric, changing the subject when it can't come up with an answer and name calling and throwing insults when backed into a corner Yeah, PeTA has done so much for the animals, like insulting blacks and Jews and killing adoptable pets in the back of vans and throwing them in a dumpster. What amazes me is that these PeTA robots play dumb when you metion it. They never heard of the van incident. Give me a break. They claim to know every bad thing that's ever happened to any animal on the planet, but they never heard about that. And of course, PeTA must have a good reason for doing it, but they know nothing. That's brainwashing if ever there was brainwashing. boy, I'd hate to think what would happen to me if I killed pets in the back of a van and threw them in a dumpster. They would bury me under the jail. But if it's PeTA, they just bring in the high-priced lawyers. Of course there's the thing about PeTA renouncing those 2, but they still made sure they got off and are still PeTA employees. They are no doubt still doing the same thing somewhere else.

  • Posted By: parusskiy @ 11/20/2007 12:21:56 AM

    first the article about the inutility of vitamin C, now this hate for PETA, I am unsubscribing right now!

  • Posted By: hillaryisahorse @ 11/19/2007 3:52:48 PM

    Do any of you remember the comic theese people put out for children. you know, your dads a murderer if he fishes theese people are insane and oh yes militant much like your avarage eco terrorist.

  • Posted By: Medium Rare @ 11/16/2007 10:38:28 PM

    ***and the group's paint-smearing, pie-throwing, body-baring antics have made it the public face of the animal-welfare community***

    "Newkirk and her ilk are Animal Rights" activists, not "Animal Welfare" activists. there is a big difference. Her hypocritical stances abound. For example, she feels animals should be viewed and enjoyed from a distance. However, she has done many photo ops in studios holding animals.

    PeTA has yet to file their VDACS report required by all shelters in Virgina. It was due in late March. It has not been posted as of yet.. Could it be that they don't want to show that they still have a euthanasia rate about double the state average for other shelters (over 90% in 2005). Google VDACS and read for yourself. You'll probably read responses aobut those animaqls were beyond saving. Think that's the truth. Google the Ahoskie, NC phots of the animals PeTA people killed. Those animals looked perfectly adoptable. The perpetrators still work for PeTA.

    Read her will. It's posted at PeTA's site. Disturbing is a mild understatement for it.

    If you want to find about the hypocrisy and lies of PeTA, go to www.peta-sucks.com. You can ask away, idsagree, even debate, but you want get banned for your dissenting opinion there. Go to a PeTA forum and any dissenting voice is banned and the posts are removed. Why? Because under scrutiny, PeTA doesn't stand up well.

    Read her account of when she worked in Maryland. She talks about coming in to work early to euthanize animals. You could almost feel her getting worked up into a blood frenzy of killing.

    I could go on for pages, but I think people need to really learn for themselves.

    PeTA - People for Euthanizing all the Animals. They have a track record to prove it.

    Thanks for reading,
    M.R.

    • Posted By: snoules @ 11/19/2007 1:37:00 PM

      Your post it just a joke as is obvious from the relish and glee in your inability to talk about any facts instead of mudslinging...not to mention your SN which exposes your obvious bias. Maybe you might want to talk to someone about your insecurities

  • Posted By: snoules @ 11/19/2007 12:23:37 PM

    Joshua Alston's article is shamelessly one sided. Being that he's a reporter and "writer", it's ironic that he uses his position to push his boased position on Ingrid Newkirk rather than write an objective review of the documentary though he talks about not forcing one's opinion on others. I don't quite understand what's "unusually human free" about Ingrid Newkirk's life. If you look around, Mr. Alston's, most American's and British children have emotionally distant parents, not to mention physically distant when you look at the numbers of children in single family homes where the parent is works long hours. In that same group you will find single children without children who often grow up with animals (pets) as their companions. And your last bit about no children and no husband nakedly exposes your latent anti-feminist views. I mean come on! If you were writing about a man, would you phrase it that way? A woman does not need a husband and children to be "normal". Thankfully you weren't interviewing Ms. Newkirk! It would have been great if the fifty percent of your article was an objective review of the film, which, to be fair, you've done in half your article, though the other half seems to reveal personal biases that have nothing to do with the matter you reviewed.

    And btw, Ellen De Generes has a right to cry when a dog is taken away from children that came to love him. However, it would have been more appropriate to do that with her therapist instead of national TV; I suffer when my dog or my human family suffers, other people suffer those they love suffer; however, I don't jump into the subway and make a scene about it. Maybe, just maybe, the world could do with a little less justification of focusing on celebrities obsessing with their problems in public.


  • Posted By: PETAbread @ 11/18/2007 11:53:20 PM

    I had joined PETA a long time ago and I think it is a great organization. Why should any living thing be treated as a piece of fashion or a piece of meat--- get it? ITS A PUN! But really. I believe that it is not fair to raise a creature to be eaten or slaughtered. What 'life' is that? A crappy one...

  • Posted By: Diannari @ 11/17/2007 2:55:55 AM

    Robertkjjj - Yes and cotton was picked by slaves but we didn't stop wearing cotton when we realized slavery was wrong - the point is we learn from our mistakes. Testing on animals is not accurate anyway - many meds that have been ok for animals have killed humans or deformed unborn children have resulted. Serial killers and child molestors in jail should be used for medical testing - much more accurate and our tax dollars won't be wasted. Funny thing is that would be considered inhumane but torturing animals isn't.

    • Posted By: bipolar247 @ 11/18/2007 12:28:38 AM

      I have thought that way for yrs. What better way for convicts to pay for what they have done.

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