Some of America's bishops are prepared to take a hard line on abortion and politics. That's bad news for Rudy Giuliani.
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Comment: Posted By: eddiewhere @ 11/29/2007 4:51:58 PM
Comment: Guilliani has a very rigid mind and power hungry mentality. He laughed at the thought of terrorist flying planes into the trade center; he never saw it coming. We need a President that can anticipate threats and derail them before they become a reality. A big part of that is managing relations in the middle east, eastere europe, China and Africa. Africa really needs attention. If their problems are not dealt with the world will pay a high price. Can Guilliani make head way in Africa, I don't think so. In eastern Europe I don't think so. In the middleast? You have got to be kidding me. I think he would make a good domestic President. To his credit he was a good mayor, but the means he took to achieve his goals were ruthless. I think Guiliani has a rigid mind and does not care if people have to suffer. His approach in New York was not tough, it was cruel. I think Guilaini should manage the treasury department. Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are the only two candidates that won't forget about you and I and what is best for you and I. As mentioned Guilliani has a rigid mind and will only serve the intersest of his personal networks; Orthodox Jews are great financial supporters of Guiliani, I just cannnot envision Guilliani bringing peace to the Middle East and improving the lives of all not just those who are "worhty".
Comment: There are some individuals (including mself) who believe that communion was instituted by Paul, NOT by Jesus. I no longer attend the mainline church in which I grew up because I no longer consider myself to be a "Christian." Rather, I try to be a "disciple of Jesus." Paul's "Christ" is very different from Jesus who wanted His followers to be loving and compassionate toward others. That is what I TRY to be. We need to recall that Jesus sai, "Whatever you do unto the least of these, you do unto me."
I do not miss communion at all since leaving the church.
Comment: Can you please comment on the poppy trade. Have you seen American Gangster starring Denzel Washington. I never knew that drugs from South and Central Amerca were transported by Catholics. Very interesting. The church has its faults, I rather Catholics transport drugs than taliban suicide bombers. Poppies. Although the Catholic Church is very rigid I am glad they esxist. As mentioned a lot of the good things the church is involved in are overshadowed
Comment: Drugs from South and Central America are grown and transported almost entirely by Roman Catholics. And, I suspect that a fair portion of the distributers and sellers in the U.S. are also of that faith. Are these people denied communion? I very much doubt it. When the American Cardinals, when the entire Catholic Church, up to the Pope himself, declares these people anatham and denies them communion, then I'll accept their claims of acting out of faith. Until then, they're playing politcs. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church has played such political games since an earlier Pope crowned Charlemaigne in 803.
Comment: Guilliani has a very rigid mind and power hungry mentality. He laughed at the thought of terrorist flying planes into the trade center; he never saw it coming. We need a President that can anticipate threats and derail them before they become a reality. A big part of that is managing relations in the middle east, eastere europe, China and Africa. Africa really needs attention. If their problems are not dealt with the world will pay a high price. Can Guilliani make head way in Africa, I don't think so. In eastern Europe I don't think so. In the middleast? You have got to be kidding me. I think he would make a good domestic President. To his credit he was a good mayor, but the means he took to achieve his goals were ruthless. I think Guiliani has a rigid mind and does not care if people have to suffer. His approach in New York was not tough, it was cruel. I think Guilaini should manage the treasury department. Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are the only two candidates that won't forget about you and I and what is best for you and I. As mentioned Guilliani has a rigid mind and will only serve the intersest of his personal networks; Orthodox Jews are great financial supporters of Guiliani, I just cannnot envision Guilliani bringing peace to the Middle East and improving the lives of all not just those who are "worhty".
Comment: Comment: The church does have the right to express their view that does not mean they should break the law of seperation of church and state. For some reason the Catholic church does not recognize that American distinction. We have this distinction so there is not a repeat of what happened in Europe from 1400 to 1800. Non catholics do not decide who becomes the Pope. So why should Catholics decide for all Americans. State your views but you cannot force them upon people. As mentioned the eucharist is for all sinners who have repented. So whether you support abortion or not ; it is not the criteria for recieving the Eucharist. Abortion is a very divisive issue. The Catholic Church is not about division but unity. The Catholic church can eliminate abortion without overturning Roe vs Wade. You have to work with people to bring the change you want you cannot exclude people and change their will and actons with a pen and paper.
Comment: The church does have the right to express their view that does not mean the should break seperation of church and state. The catholic church does not recognize that American distinction. We have this distinction so there is not a repeat of what happened in Europe from 1400 to 1800. Non catholics do not decide who becomes the Pope. So why should Catholics decide for all Americans. State your views but you cannot force them upon people. As mentioned the eucharist if for all sinners who have repented. So whether you support abortion or not is not the criteria that was always part of church tradition. this issue is very divisive issue. The Catholic Church is not about division but unity. The Catholic can eliminate abortion without overturning Roe vs Wade. You to work with people to bring the change you want you cannot exclude people and change their will through a pen and paper.
Comment: Guilliani has a very rigid mind and power hungry mentality. He laughed at the thought of terrorist flying planes into the trade center; he never saw it coming. We need a President that can anticipate threats and derail them before they become a reality. A big part of that is managing relations in the middle east, eastere europe, China and Africa. Africa really needs attention. If their problems are not dealt with the world will pay a high price. Can Guilliani make head way in Africa, I don't think so. In eastern Europe I don't think so. In the middleast? You have got to be kidding me. I think he would make a good domestic President. To his credit he was a good mayor, but the means he took to achieve his goals were ruthless. I think Guiliani has a rigid mind and does not care if people have to suffer. His approach in New York was not tough, it was cruel. I think Guilaini should manage the treasury department. Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are the only two candidates that won't forget about you and I and what is best for you and I. As mentioned Guilliani has a rigid mind and will only serve the intersest of his personal networks; Orthodox Jews are great financial supporters of Guiliani, I just cannnot envision Guilliani bringing peace to the Middle East and improving the lives of all not just those who are "worhty".
Comment: The church does have the right to express their view that does not mean the should break seperation of church and state. The catholic church does not recognize that American distinction. We have this distinction so there is not a repeat of what happened in Europe from 1400 to 1800. Non catholics do not decide who becomes the Pope. So why should Catholics decide for all Americans. State your views but you cannot force them upon people. As mentioned the eucharist if for all sinners who have repented. So whether you support abortion or not is not the criteria that was always part of church tradition. this issue is very divisive issue. The Catholic Church is not about division but unity. The Catholic can eliminate abortion without overturning Roe vs Wade. You to work with people to bring the change you want you cannot exclude people and change their will through a pen and paper.
Comment: If this Presidential candidate means what he is saying in his interviews, this is the person that We the People and the world MUST have as the next President of our United States. I personally would like to see him sign an affidavit regarding his campaign promises. Check this out: Candidates@Google: Ron Paul
Comment: WITHOUT the UNWANTED CHILDREN of the disadvantaged POOR to brainwash, lie to, and indoctrinate with illogical fantasies; all the churches, and Christianity would go bankrupt, out of business, and disappear! The rapacious RELIGIONS are PONZI SCHEMES!
How else could they pay MILLIONS, or BILLIONS? for ravenous child molesting PAEDOPHILES?
Comment: If you are not a practicing Catholic, then why say your are 'Catholic' at all, as Guiliani has. Why not just say you are non-religious affiliated, unless you are trying to buy a few votes. And this goes for any candidate, whether they are Mormon, Protestant, Evangelical, or Catholic. If you are not commited to practicing your stated faith, then you are most likely untrustworthy in other matters also.
And, I think the Bishops of the Catholic faith have an obligation to stand up and state the Church's position on issues such as abortion, pedophiles in their own ranks, gay rights, etc.
Comment: If you're not practicing your Catholic faith, by attending Mass on a weekly basis, then why even say that you are Catholic, as Guiliani has. Why not just say you are non-religious affiliated, since he is not commited to practicing the faith that he once had. And this goes for all candidates, whether Mormon, Protestant, Evangelical, or Catholic. If a person is not honest and sincere about their faith practice, or lack of commitment to it, then how sincere and honest are they in other matters?
Comment: Does America want a "Cross Dresser" for PresidenT?
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Comment: I remember a time when the Catholic Church was all about helping the poor, human rights for those living outside of the womb. Now all they care about is keeping babies alive while they are in the womb and then the hell with the rest of their life.
Comment: I have great respect for the Catholic Church. They have two major problems.
#1. Priest not allowed to mate with a women-It is biologically against human nature not to mate. Therefore priest put in that position end up molesting boys.
#2. Be consistent: If you are demanding your priest to be "unhuman" by not mating with a women, and demanding that abortion be outlawed then apply the same doctrine to smoking. Smoking kills people of all ages and I know priests that smoke. If someone wants to be selibent then its their choice. There is no proof that Jesus was a Virgin. That is why the history of his life from 13 to 30 is erased. Jesus was human, if he acted unhuman who would follow him. He had to be a storng man for people of his time to follow him. Part of being a man is having woman. The chuch has been involved is so many vulgar homosexual scandals that we are now finding out that this abuse has been institutioanalized and has been going on for centuries like some sort of sick fraternity. The Chuch will support Guilliani but not Kerry. The Catholic church only banned priests from getting married because the church was losing land in Europe every time a priest would get married. Therefore it is a fallacy that priests have always been silibent and that this was a requirement by the church since the begining. Even the first Pope had a women companion. The church has a positive impact on society but they get overshadowed by church scandals and their medaling into politics. The church can stop abortion without changing the law or getting involved into politics. Many prolife people are so crazy that they do not care if people have an abortion they just want Roe vs Wade overturned.
Comment: Catholic Priest are takin the position off themselfs and putting it on politains. The Catholic church hast to stop. Pointing the finger. They need to let Priest and Nuns marry. And stop putting down marrige. They need to STOP supporting wars. They need To do what Mother Tresea said make the Vadicain city into a place of healing for the sick and the poor that would Fufill The true and pure religion. And give the orphans and widows there justice ,instead of sitting in there golden pagan city and being the acusser all day and night.
Comment: None of these candidates will overturn Roe vs. Wade. So what difference does it make. Hopefully abortion and religion are not the deciding factors for this Presidential election. These should be factors in the parties nomination process but not on the national stage/ remember gay marriage was the deciding factor in OHIO in 04. Although it is a polarizing issue states should handle it. To win the Republican nomination you have to secretely reveal that you will lay the foundation for the reversal of Roe vs. Wade. Solutions: Roe vs Wade is so polarizing that it has sparked terrorism in this country, so Has the gay issue. A President must be clear. That gays whether you support them or not have penetrated every race, creed, and gender on this planet. They are Republicans, democrats, congressmen,FBI, CIA, Military, teachers, professors ect.. Therefore, unlike the civil rights movement this issue affect all races. A CANDIDATE SHOULD RESPOND TO THIS ISSUE BY STATING "As President I must do what is in the best interest of America, although my personal view is that gay marriage is a very uncomfortable subject, it is a very devisive issue. The church should not be forced to preform gay marriages. However, a gay church might perform their own marriage
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Comment: Inotherwords, all Americans have the right to freedom and privacy. If gay people want to woship amongst themselves they have that right. Gays are Americans too and as President we must find solutions for all. Although one might not agree with another person lifestyle, it no reason to promote hatred and violence. As President I would protect everyone's right s under the constitution. However states must decide what legislation works in their area. You cannot enforce uniform laws. What is good for Texas might not be good for California. Local governments play a big role as well the laws in San Francisco are different than the laws in Tulsa Oklahoma. I personally would feel uncomfortable if two men were kissing infront of my kids however I know that most gays in the community would not act in that manner. Therefore, I would not take my kids to a gay restaurant I would take them into an enviornment that I feel is best for them. If parents want to take their kids to a gay restAURANT THAT IS THERE CHOICE NOT MINE TO MAKE FOR THEM. Concerning abortion; As President one of my first priorities would be to address this issue. I know I cannot overturn Roe vs. Wade so I am going to do what I think God would want me to do and that is to use my influence to reduce the number of abortions. We have to take care of our children so they know right from wrong. Abortion is a very personal and terrible experience to go through and I feel for anyone who has been face with and agonizing decision. They must know that there are people out there that will help them if they wish to decide to have the baby. Abortions can be prevented without changing the law. I have given this issue much thought and realized that changing the law will not stop abortions women will have them regardless. The solution to the problem is to take care of our children offer them options and hope no matter their circumstance that is my duty as President. As mentioned anyone that needs advice on political issues let me know at ftennassee@yahoo.com.
Comment: Church, fraternity, religion have the audacity to use our GRAND ARCHITECT OF THE UNIVERSE to impose their feelings and opinions upon us people to vote according their religion. We as americans are living in a fast pace of life where we don't take time to think. The devil has infiltrated so deeply in the american society, we forget to realise it's because of capitalism where greed is at it's best. religions and politics are very different and should not be use for interest.
Comment: I have one simple question for the Bishops. Why is abortion the sole criteria for determining who can receive communion? What about stances on poverty, war, marriage part of this critereia? The Bishops say they are against abortion but when you say ou can eliminate 99% of all abortions by teaching people proper birth control methods they say that it prmotes promisuclity. So they really aren't looking for a viable solution to eliminate abortions except to pass a law saying you can't have one.
The fact is they are really against premarital sex but would prerfer to use abortion as a selling point.
Comment: As a Roman Catholic my question to the Bishops is simple. Why is abortion the sole criteria to determine who receives holy communion? Also are the Bishops against premarital sex or abortion? If they are aginst abortion then we can eliminate 99% of all abortions by teaching people proper birth control methods. But then they say that promotes promiscuity. The fact is they are really against premarital sex but use abortion as the selling point...
Comment: Didn't I hear someone mentioning that one cannot mix religion with politics?
Comment: Calling Rudy a Catholic is like calling Pat Robertson a Christian.
Comment: While the Bishops are at it, they can take a good look at Cris Dodd... He divorced his first wife, married a Mormon for his second, and is bringing the kids up saying that they can make up their own minds as to what they want to be, when they are old enough. This doesn't say much for Georgetown University , once run by the prestigious Jesuit Order..... I just wish Giuliani, and Dodd would quit telling everyone they are Catholic. I don't care what they do with their lives, but don't give people the impression that the Catholic Church allows these flagrant violations of the Faith. You cannot favor Abortion and not be ex-communicated. You have to make your Easter Duty , or be excommunicated. Confession and Communion at least, once a year, Rudi, and Cris ! Impossible for both of you under the circumstances, and you know it.... You cannot make a good confession , leave the confessional , and go home to an adulterous life....... Do what you both want, but please , set the record straight... YOU ARE NOT CATHOLIC.
Comment: Its not so much that a church has an opinion on public issues -- its that a foreign government, one that officially condemns freedom of speech, religion and conscience, along with the consent of the governed giving a state legitamacy; not to mention the one that invented waterboarding, the thrid degree,the ghetto and the yellow star, and is the only nation on earth where you are too old to vote but not to boink little boys, dares to interfere in our political affairs
Comment: If the Catholic Church wants to make political statements, then they should be made to pay taxes. And so should the Baptists, the Pentecostals, etc.... I'm fine with exempting religious organizations from taxation. However, as soon as the wall between religion and politics is breached, there should be repercussions. Tax them!!
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Comment: Many political beliefs and religious beliefs coincide. It's unrealistic to say that religious beliefs don't affect the way people vote. Abortion is grounds for ex-communication from the catholic church, so I don't see why these rules should be any different for the politicians who uphold these despicable laws, which do contradict the teachings of the Catholic church. This issue has little to do with the seperation of church and state and everything to do with a church standing by it's beliefs.
Comment: Besides being hypocritic (after all the church opposes the War in Iraq) last I check there is no religious test for president. Did we all forget the Constitution?
History is consistent on this point, the involvement of religion (be it Islam or Christianity) in politics erodes the liberties of both.
Comment: to each his own. politicians should NEVER use religion as a base for any decisions, that is a violation of church and state, and a big one.
Comment: Ok this is rediculous, the church should NOT have ANY involvement in politcal affairs. Now the Bishops do have a right to their opinions as any other, but so what if Rudy doesnt go to church, blah blah blah. I dont support republicans, but if Rudy decides that he supports pro-choice, then thats his choice, and people should not select a candidate because they are a church goer. I mean we have Bush now, and he's commiting more evil than anyone, and he does everything in the name of religion. Political figures should never use a religious base for governing, it's a violation of separation of church and state.
Comment: Since when do we tax opinions of moral issues (abortion) as the good bishops are doing. It is their duty to opine of this repugate issue.
Comment: The word catholic means one. All are one transending thru human suffering to God. The all one catholic is in the end the Catholic.
Comment: If they're going to take a strong stance against abortion, they should also take a strong stance against wars of aggression and the death penalty. However, if they were to do that, most of the chicken-hawks running for president (including a draft-dodger like Giuliani) would suddenly find themselves on the wrong side of the Catholic Church. I think it's about time that happened, because if nothing else it would put an end to the frightening and nonsensical alliance between "social conservatives" and warmongers that we see today.
Comment: if the bishops urge parishioners to vote or not vote for someone and if they do it as representatives of the Roman Catholic Church, the church's tax exempt status should be suspended and the billions they own in real estate taxed at the appropriate level.
Comment: Are the church incumbents in is debarred from commenting on USA politics and on political practices and clamp political demands on political practices that are religiously contrary to Christianity in a Christian Country?
These days??? people from other community, came as refugee then immigrant now citizen tries to behave like religious Maters over other God gifted religious church authorities; these people have done the maximum harm to United States its religious, social cultural, financial, commercial, and economical even in family lives of Americans.
No where mentioned in Christianity or other religious original scripts about practicing incest in family life but this community has invented to practice incest, have gay and *** culture. Now all sinful garbage has been dumped in this countries religion. The religion itself had been shattered to pieces by these people, claiming to be the exponent of Christianity and the Christians.
I am amazed to see the audacity with which they comment on Christians Church Bishops statements; it seemed to me that the masters are talking to their servants. Well what is so great in a criminal???s character, long back Giuliani had been a subject of objection of the Church but then why Mr. Former Jew is annoyed? MAY BE ???MOSAD??? AND AIPAC people at the background are very worried. The Bishops are justified in their stand and should take action appropriate for violation of the decision taken by the bishops in regard to Giuliani .
None should interfere in matters related to Religion and Church. Comments by people belonging to different religion should be avoided under all circumstances. The decision by bishops must and should be upheld in honor of the religion.
D C HAPPY
Comment: If the church is so involved in politics, then they should be paying taxes and all the other things that the government receives.
Comment: If the church has decided to be so involved in politics, then they should be liable for income taxes, and the rest of the taxes that we all pay.
Comment: Those that have been excommunicated will soon find out they have been set free of the dark ages, and can now freely express NATURAL spirituality. Send me the paperwork I will excommunicate myself. I did not choose Catholicisn I inherited it. God gave us free will for a reason.
Comment: As it has done throughout its history,-- and very much like radical Islam -- the Catholic Church wants to make its tenets and superstitions the law of the land. It would impose its Roman "shari'a" on everybody, Catholic and non-Catholic alike. Note its recent excommunication of most of the Mexican Congress for adopting a law that permits abortion in cases of rape and incest. Voltaire was right: 'Ecrasez l'infame.'
Comment: The Catholic Church has to get back to its roots and core beliefs. We need to take a hard line with people who blatantly oppose our teachings and still call themselves Catholic. If you do not believe what the Catholic Church believes, then leave and join another church that is more in line with what you believe. The Catholic Church did not chain these people to it, they are free to go if they so choose. You cannot play both sides of the fence, which today's politics are so disgustingly doing all the time. Either you believe what the Catholic Church teaches and what Jesus taught, or you do not. That is what it boils down to.
Comment: I agree with 'timellen' 110%
Comment: This piece is yet another example of why all religions should be subject to income tax, IMO.
Comment: re: "..We're all good Catholics.."
Pray tell, just what is a 'good Catholic'?
Comment: According to Church doctrine, pro-life means promoting life from conception to natural death. Since that's the case, NONE of the candidates, Democrat or Republican, would be able to receive communion. The Democrats promote abortion, while the Republicans promote the death penalty and the unjust war (per Church doctrine) in Iraq.
Comment: Re: Pfeels The hope is that we would want to listen to them in case they are telling the truth. What is important here is: are you willing to hear the truth even if it comes out of the mouths of people that, for whatever reason, you have prejudices against. In Jesus's time the pharisee's didn't listen to his truth because their minds were being shown their mistakes. This is happening again. Please understand.
Comment: Why would anybody listen to these people, the catholic church is one of the most corrupt organizations in all of history
Comment: The link isn't posting properly here so I will break it up into two lines and let you put them back together in your own web browser. Good luck! God Bless!
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docu
ments/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19741118_declaration-abortion_en.html
Comment: Please read why they take the stance that they do and use your own God given abilities to consider that they may actually know what they are talking about. This isn't a waste of time for you. At the very least you will know more about what they are saying and if you still disagree will be better able to attack God's servants.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19741118_declaration-abortion_en.html
Comment: Continued: society. We as Americans have become only interested in what we think will solve our problems and make life easier (i.e. more pleasurable). This is not what Jesus came here to show us. He came here to show us how we should live in those ways that humanity could not realize, ever, through our own problem solving skills. The Catholic Church continues his work as the successors of the Apostles.
Comment: The Catholic Church's stance on abortion is much more than the mere opinions that you or I are able to formulate to make our own decisions. If you would like to read why they are against abortion you may find out at the following link to the Vatican archives. Their findings are sound and reasonable. Their arguments are powerful, but in a way that so often fails to be understood in our pragmatic, scientific, progress-oriented relativistic socieyt
Comment: If the Bishops want to act like Christians why not come up with a plan whereas when a man/boy gets a woman/girl pregnant the person should be made to pay $20,000.00 to the female and $250.00 per month. Men need to suffer the shame and abandament that women suffer. Let's hit the men from now on and the Bishops will not have to worry about abortions.
I would highly suggest the Priests get pregnant and be a woman for a day suffering job discrimination, shame, poverty, no housing, no food, but must take care these kids.
I am sick of the Catholic Church and all the churches who are so judgemental. They need to preach forgiveness and help for their brothers and sisters, love and compassion for all.
Comment: its embarrassing to be in the yera 2007 and still seeing such closed minded, whacko right wing discussion... this world be better without catholisism
Comment: Why do some people consider the belief of right to life to be closed minded? Whacko?
I will continue to pray for you and for all of the other abortionists. If you are so inclined, I would happily welcome your prayers for me. Human life is precious - all of it.
Comment: I am sick to death of the Catholic Church, the Bishops and all the rest. Why don't they focus on the problems with pedophile priests and other abysmal behavior and leave everyone else alone.
Comment: As a Catholic, I will not allow the Catholic Church tell me how to vote. They act so almighty when it comes to abortion. Where were they when their priests were molesting all the Catholic kids, protecting the priests was where. They want to rule the faithful but don't want to rule themselves. There is more at stake than abortion. Hey, Republicans have never done anything about abortion other than say they are against it. Whoopee. Im a middle class citizen, the Republican party is at war with me, why would I vote for them?
Comment: Michael - Why dont' you leave the church, seriously?
From a grateful ex Catholic
Comment: Michaeld 1959.... I 'm 76 years old and have never been told by the Catholic Church whom to vote for. Yes there have been corrupt priests. We all know and have been bombarded with the reports by the press. Have you ever looked up how many Rabbis, and protestant ministers are in prison for the same offence. Those guilty were not following the dictates of the church. They were sinning aginst the 6 th Commandment and will be judged by God and punished or not accordingly... The church does not advocate such behavior and you know it.....
Comment: Leaving the church solves nothing - it only makes you feel superior to the very people you accuse of acting superior. The Catholic faith is much larger than any or even all of the bishops. The clergy abuse scandel is clearly a shameful scandal. I also don't think anyone denies that it was handled very poorly. But to hold or reject your faith because of the actions of a small group of people is to really never to have had faith in God to begin with. The God who was before the scandel is still the same God today and will be forever. Whether you care or not, I will pray for you.
Comment: I find this a little concerning. The United States is considered a "Free Nation," is it not? Being Catholic or Atheist, or whatever you believe in, should not RULE OUT your own opinions; you are still your own person. I, myself, don't believe in "God" or a "Greater Being," but I will say that the United States, being what it is, should not allow Religion to become the primary decision over our laws. You're this, and she's that, big deal, let us be our own, and let us decide for ourselves.
After all, why should you let a small group of people, deny you a right to "kill" something that isn't even considered living yet? Why let them deny you love of the opposite gender, or deny us valuable research that may eventually help us in the future? I am seriously upset at how the government has become in the course of these last eight years. I may be younger than most who read the news, but I stand firm when I say this, and in the light of my opinion of how I've learned.
Comment: I find this a little concerning. The United States is considered a "Free Nation," is it not? Being Catholic or Atheist, or whatever you believe in, should not RULE OUT your own opinions; you are still your own person. I, myself, don't believe in "God" or a "Greater Being," but I will say that the United States, being what it is, should not allow Religion to become the primary decision over our laws. You're this, and she's that, big deal, let us be our own, and let us decide for ourselves.
After all, why should you let a small group of people, deny you a right to "kill" something that isn't even considered living yet? Why let them deny you love of the opposite gender, or deny us valuable research that may eventually help us in the future? I am seriously upset at how the government has become in the course of these last eight years. I am only fourteen, but I stand firm when I say this.
Comment: PULEEZE!!!! I am a Catholic, born and raised. I attended 12 years of Catholic school, educated by Nuns. This is the First time I'm hearing the Catholic church forbids people from voting for Democrats!!! What doe sone thing have to do with the other??? There are some things about the Catholic church's teachings that are just so wrong!!! I remember FEARING going to HELL for missing Mass on Sunday!! Can you imagine a loving and compassionate God sending one of his children to HELL because they missed one Mass???
Comment: AlwaysforHillary, I was raised Catholic and for 43 years never knew the difference between "religion" and Christianity. "religion" is man's way of trying to reach God through his own efforts by keeping rules, traditions, sacraments, etc. True Christianity is about a personal relationship with Jesus. God does not send anyone to hell...it's our choice. If we reject the saving grace of a Savior who came to this earth to die for our sins and try to make ourselves "savior"...then we have put ourselves there. If there was anything we could do to earn salvation, eternal life, then Jesus died for nothing. There would have been no reason for Him to come. It's all about Him..not us. Read the scriptures...over and over God tells us that there is no way we can earn our salvation. It's a free gift for all who will receive. There is freedom in Christ..not in religion. I agree, no church should tell anyone how to vote, but when you have Christ in your life, He will tell you how to vote.
Savedbygrace
Comment: Please read the article before commenting. The polititian in question is Rudy Giuliani - he is a Republican.
Comment: I agree that this should not even be a political issue.
It is a medical issue and nothing else.
Comment: Medical issue? You are calling the destruction of a human life a medical issue? I suppose that helps abortioists fell better. It does not, however, make it less immoral.
Comment: You can tell those Bishops for me, that there is no room for debate on the subject of Abortion. Anyone like Rudy Giuliani or anyone else who espouses Abortion for any reason is ex-communicated. And if that doesn't sit well with them, and they hesitate to admit his ex-communication, how about marrying your second cousin and being married by a priest who told them a dispensation wasn't required. Then later this same reason was used for a declaration of nullify from the Church on the grounds of affinity. ie -because he married a second cousin. No sense being a lawyer , right Rudy ? The man who arranged all this as Monsignor Placa an old High School chum. He was the one who advised the couple that they didn't need the dispensation before the marriage. Now to go into all the machinations pulled by Giuliani and Placa over the years, would use up the 3000 characters allowed in this comment. Suffice it to say, Rudy had to get out of Gracie mansion, and go to live with 2 homosexual friends, because his first wife, miffed at all the shenanigans, and the cloud it formed over her, went to Diocesan Headquartes and fought the annulment. This kept his present wife Judith Nathan out of the Gracie digs. Of course this was after another adulterous affair that lasted 18 years with one Donna Hanover.. Placa has since been de-frocked . His and Rudi 's escapades are enough to fill more than one book. So, it's taken the Bishops a long time to come forward. Those of us Traditionalists have been fighting and writing about this flagrant abuse of the Church by Giuliani for years. He cannot recieve Communion anyway , abortion stand or no. You have to receive Communion at least once a year , during the Easter time. To recieve Communion, you need to be in the state of Grace. To do this, you would go to confession. To make a good confession, you have to resolve never to commit the confessed sins again. How could Rudi do this, when he was in an adulterous marriage ever since he annulled his first wife. One thing about Rudi, he sure makes it easy on the Bishops. Now we have another candidate that needs a little looking into as well Bishops. I'd be glad to put you wise to this hypocrite as well.... I guess we should say, " Better late than ever'.
Comment: Please...I'll take the Bishops seriously when they clean up their own messes first. Whatever you think of his personal choices, Rudy isn't parading around pretending to be something he's not. I am disgusted with the hypocrisy of a church - my church - where priests maintain long-term sexual relationships in violation of vows that were taken before God, where Bishops who know about those relationships look the other way, where all sorts of compromises with Catholic doctrine are made every day because half these guys can't even remember what sexual morality means, and where declining attendance at Mass is only taken seriously when the collection begins to dwindle. Somebody needs to remind the Bishops that you really do reap what you sow.
Comment: Are you upset with the human failings of priests/bishops because they are acting like humans or because their message is one you don't want to hear? Of course clergy sin! They are humans like the rest of us. That doesn't mean that their message is wrong. And by the way, the vast majority of preists had no involvement whatsoever in the clergy abuse scandel. I find it interesting that you refer to the Catholic church as your church.
Comment: I was taught by priests and I agree that most priests are and were good human beings. I believe that the abuse scandals were as painful to the good guys as they were disgusting to those of us watching from the outside. My objection to their objections to Rudy is that telling people how to vote, as Bishop Sheridan of Colorado did, is a violation of the tax laws of the US and he should be paying taxes on all the real estate of the church in his city because he violated the relevant statutes.
Comment: You say Rudi isn't parading around pretending to be something he's not ? How about telling people he is a Catholic ? He's no Catholic. Just because he was Baptized doesn't mean he's Catholic. You cannot be married, divorce , and re-marry a divorced woman outside the church and pretend to be a catholic. You have to go to confession at least once a year, and recieve Commuinion , this during the Easter Period. Rudy can't go to Confession and pretend he's sorry for his sins , when he's going home to an adulterous union. So then he can't receive Holy Communion, therefor he's excommunicated. period... so, if your a fan of Giuliani's tell him to stop saying he's Catholic... Now, do you still think he's not parading around prete nding to be something he's not..... Anyway, Catholicism aside, wait until the Kerek mess unfolds... You'll have your eyes open for sure... Giuliani waived the obligation for Kerek to fill out the usual questionairre for the job he inherited..... Now Rudi is abondoning the ship... Look up his record, and see the men he railroaded on the Stock Exchange, with no evidence, when he was trying to make a name for himself... You think this administration is corrupt ? You ain't seen nothin yet, as Durante use to say.
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