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  • Posted By: teachereducator @ 11/18/2007 12:10:35 AM

    If the Catholic Church wants to make political statements, then they should be made to pay taxes. And so should the Baptists, the Pentecostals, etc.... I'm fine with exempting religious organizations from taxation. However, as soon as the wall between religion and politics is breached, there should be repercussions. Tax them!!

    • Posted By: votenic @ 11/21/2007 4:13:47 PM

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  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 11/20/2007 8:15:40 AM

    None of these candidates will overturn Roe vs. Wade. So what difference does it make. Hopefully abortion and religion are not the deciding factors for this Presidential election. These should be factors in the parties nomination process but not on the national stage/ remember gay marriage was the deciding factor in OHIO in 04. Although it is a polarizing issue states should handle it. To win the Republican nomination you have to secretely reveal that you will lay the foundation for the reversal of Roe vs. Wade. Solutions: Roe vs Wade is so polarizing that it has sparked terrorism in this country, so Has the gay issue. A President must be clear. That gays whether you support them or not have penetrated every race, creed, and gender on this planet. They are Republicans, democrats, congressmen,FBI, CIA, Military, teachers, professors ect.. Therefore, unlike the civil rights movement this issue affect all races. A CANDIDATE SHOULD RESPOND TO THIS ISSUE BY STATING "As President I must do what is in the best interest of America, although my personal view is that gay marriage is a very uncomfortable subject, it is a very devisive issue. The church should not be forced to preform gay marriages. However, a gay church might perform their own marriage

    • Posted By: votenic @ 11/21/2007 4:13:16 PM

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  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 11/20/2007 8:15:16 AM

    Inotherwords, all Americans have the right to freedom and privacy. If gay people want to woship amongst themselves they have that right. Gays are Americans too and as President we must find solutions for all. Although one might not agree with another person lifestyle, it no reason to promote hatred and violence. As President I would protect everyone's right s under the constitution. However states must decide what legislation works in their area. You cannot enforce uniform laws. What is good for Texas might not be good for California. Local governments play a big role as well the laws in San Francisco are different than the laws in Tulsa Oklahoma. I personally would feel uncomfortable if two men were kissing infront of my kids however I know that most gays in the community would not act in that manner. Therefore, I would not take my kids to a gay restaurant I would take them into an enviornment that I feel is best for them. If parents want to take their kids to a gay restAURANT THAT IS THERE CHOICE NOT MINE TO MAKE FOR THEM. Concerning abortion; As President one of my first priorities would be to address this issue. I know I cannot overturn Roe vs. Wade so I am going to do what I think God would want me to do and that is to use my influence to reduce the number of abortions. We have to take care of our children so they know right from wrong. Abortion is a very personal and terrible experience to go through and I feel for anyone who has been face with and agonizing decision. They must know that there are people out there that will help them if they wish to decide to have the baby. Abortions can be prevented without changing the law. I have given this issue much thought and realized that changing the law will not stop abortions women will have them regardless. The solution to the problem is to take care of our children offer them options and hope no matter their circumstance that is my duty as President. As mentioned anyone that needs advice on political issues let me know at ftennassee@yahoo.com.

  • Posted By: world last breed @ 11/19/2007 4:27:21 PM

    Church, fraternity, religion have the audacity to use our GRAND ARCHITECT OF THE UNIVERSE to impose their feelings and opinions upon us people to vote according their religion. We as americans are living in a fast pace of life where we don't take time to think. The devil has infiltrated so deeply in the american society, we forget to realise it's because of capitalism where greed is at it's best. religions and politics are very different and should not be use for interest.

  • Posted By: AlwaysforHillary @ 11/16/2007 7:15:57 PM

    PULEEZE!!!! I am a Catholic, born and raised. I attended 12 years of Catholic school, educated by Nuns. This is the First time I'm hearing the Catholic church forbids people from voting for Democrats!!! What doe sone thing have to do with the other??? There are some things about the Catholic church's teachings that are just so wrong!!! I remember FEARING going to HELL for missing Mass on Sunday!! Can you imagine a loving and compassionate God sending one of his children to HELL because they missed one Mass???

    • Posted By: Rosem68 @ 11/19/2007 8:49:36 AM

      AlwaysforHillary, I was raised Catholic and for 43 years never knew the difference between "religion" and Christianity. "religion" is man's way of trying to reach God through his own efforts by keeping rules, traditions, sacraments, etc. True Christianity is about a personal relationship with Jesus. God does not send anyone to hell...it's our choice. If we reject the saving grace of a Savior who came to this earth to die for our sins and try to make ourselves "savior"...then we have put ourselves there. If there was anything we could do to earn salvation, eternal life, then Jesus died for nothing. There would have been no reason for Him to come. It's all about Him..not us. Read the scriptures...over and over God tells us that there is no way we can earn our salvation. It's a free gift for all who will receive. There is freedom in Christ..not in religion. I agree, no church should tell anyone how to vote, but when you have Christ in your life, He will tell you how to vote.
      Savedbygrace

    • Posted By: rlinwi @ 11/16/2007 10:58:20 PM

      Please read the article before commenting. The polititian in question is Rudy Giuliani - he is a Republican.

  • Posted By: MrMojoRisnII @ 11/19/2007 8:44:05 AM

    I have one simple question for the Bishops. Why is abortion the sole criteria for determining who can receive communion? What about stances on poverty, war, marriage part of this critereia? The Bishops say they are against abortion but when you say ou can eliminate 99% of all abortions by teaching people proper birth control methods they say that it prmotes promisuclity. So they really aren't looking for a viable solution to eliminate abortions except to pass a law saying you can't have one.

    The fact is they are really against premarital sex but would prerfer to use abortion as a selling point.

  • Posted By: MrMojoRisnII @ 11/19/2007 8:38:18 AM

    As a Roman Catholic my question to the Bishops is simple. Why is abortion the sole criteria to determine who receives holy communion? Also are the Bishops against premarital sex or abortion? If they are aginst abortion then we can eliminate 99% of all abortions by teaching people proper birth control methods. But then they say that promotes promiscuity. The fact is they are really against premarital sex but use abortion as the selling point...

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 11/19/2007 4:07:55 AM

    Didn't I hear someone mentioning that one cannot mix religion with politics?

  • Posted By: okie3 @ 11/18/2007 10:51:17 AM

    Calling Rudy a Catholic is like calling Pat Robertson a Christian.

  • Posted By: bonas50 @ 11/18/2007 9:23:52 AM

    While the Bishops are at it, they can take a good look at Cris Dodd... He divorced his first wife, married a Mormon for his second, and is bringing the kids up saying that they can make up their own minds as to what they want to be, when they are old enough. This doesn't say much for Georgetown University , once run by the prestigious Jesuit Order..... I just wish Giuliani, and Dodd would quit telling everyone they are Catholic. I don't care what they do with their lives, but don't give people the impression that the Catholic Church allows these flagrant violations of the Faith. You cannot favor Abortion and not be ex-communicated. You have to make your Easter Duty , or be excommunicated. Confession and Communion at least, once a year, Rudi, and Cris ! Impossible for both of you under the circumstances, and you know it.... You cannot make a good confession , leave the confessional , and go home to an adulterous life....... Do what you both want, but please , set the record straight... YOU ARE NOT CATHOLIC.

  • Posted By: redleg2 @ 11/18/2007 9:09:03 AM

    Its not so much that a church has an opinion on public issues -- its that a foreign government, one that officially condemns freedom of speech, religion and conscience, along with the consent of the governed giving a state legitamacy; not to mention the one that invented waterboarding, the thrid degree,the ghetto and the yellow star, and is the only nation on earth where you are too old to vote but not to boink little boys, dares to interfere in our political affairs

  • Posted By: ArmyLove @ 11/17/2007 11:22:16 PM

    Many political beliefs and religious beliefs coincide. It's unrealistic to say that religious beliefs don't affect the way people vote. Abortion is grounds for ex-communication from the catholic church, so I don't see why these rules should be any different for the politicians who uphold these despicable laws, which do contradict the teachings of the Catholic church. This issue has little to do with the seperation of church and state and everything to do with a church standing by it's beliefs.

  • Posted By: jncc1701 @ 11/17/2007 10:44:05 PM

    Besides being hypocritic (after all the church opposes the War in Iraq) last I check there is no religious test for president. Did we all forget the Constitution?
    History is consistent on this point, the involvement of religion (be it Islam or Christianity) in politics erodes the liberties of both.

  • Posted By: nvg70 @ 11/17/2007 9:40:07 PM

    to each his own. politicians should NEVER use religion as a base for any decisions, that is a violation of church and state, and a big one.

  • Posted By: nvg70 @ 11/17/2007 9:36:54 PM

    Ok this is rediculous, the church should NOT have ANY involvement in politcal affairs. Now the Bishops do have a right to their opinions as any other, but so what if Rudy doesnt go to church, blah blah blah. I dont support republicans, but if Rudy decides that he supports pro-choice, then thats his choice, and people should not select a candidate because they are a church goer. I mean we have Bush now, and he's commiting more evil than anyone, and he does everything in the name of religion. Political figures should never use a religious base for governing, it's a violation of separation of church and state.

  • Posted By: Northbysouth @ 11/17/2007 5:42:25 PM

    Since when do we tax opinions of moral issues (abortion) as the good bishops are doing. It is their duty to opine of this repugate issue.

  • Posted By: Northbysouth @ 11/17/2007 3:41:20 PM

    The word catholic means one. All are one transending thru human suffering to God. The all one catholic is in the end the Catholic.

  • Posted By: bonas50 @ 11/16/2007 5:02:51 PM

    You can tell those Bishops for me, that there is no room for debate on the subject of Abortion. Anyone like Rudy Giuliani or anyone else who espouses Abortion for any reason is ex-communicated. And if that doesn't sit well with them, and they hesitate to admit his ex-communication, how about marrying your second cousin and being married by a priest who told them a dispensation wasn't required. Then later this same reason was used for a declaration of nullify from the Church on the grounds of affinity. ie -because he married a second cousin. No sense being a lawyer , right Rudy ? The man who arranged all this as Monsignor Placa an old High School chum. He was the one who advised the couple that they didn't need the dispensation before the marriage. Now to go into all the machinations pulled by Giuliani and Placa over the years, would use up the 3000 characters allowed in this comment. Suffice it to say, Rudy had to get out of Gracie mansion, and go to live with 2 homosexual friends, because his first wife, miffed at all the shenanigans, and the cloud it formed over her, went to Diocesan Headquartes and fought the annulment. This kept his present wife Judith Nathan out of the Gracie digs. Of course this was after another adulterous affair that lasted 18 years with one Donna Hanover.. Placa has since been de-frocked . His and Rudi 's escapades are enough to fill more than one book. So, it's taken the Bishops a long time to come forward. Those of us Traditionalists have been fighting and writing about this flagrant abuse of the Church by Giuliani for years. He cannot recieve Communion anyway , abortion stand or no. You have to receive Communion at least once a year , during the Easter time. To recieve Communion, you need to be in the state of Grace. To do this, you would go to confession. To make a good confession, you have to resolve never to commit the confessed sins again. How could Rudi do this, when he was in an adulterous marriage ever since he annulled his first wife. One thing about Rudi, he sure makes it easy on the Bishops. Now we have another candidate that needs a little looking into as well Bishops. I'd be glad to put you wise to this hypocrite as well.... I guess we should say, " Better late than ever'.

    • Posted By: curlyfries @ 11/16/2007 10:13:46 PM

      Please...I'll take the Bishops seriously when they clean up their own messes first. Whatever you think of his personal choices, Rudy isn't parading around pretending to be something he's not. I am disgusted with the hypocrisy of a church - my church - where priests maintain long-term sexual relationships in violation of vows that were taken before God, where Bishops who know about those relationships look the other way, where all sorts of compromises with Catholic doctrine are made every day because half these guys can't even remember what sexual morality means, and where declining attendance at Mass is only taken seriously when the collection begins to dwindle. Somebody needs to remind the Bishops that you really do reap what you sow.

      • Posted By: rlinwi @ 11/16/2007 11:07:57 PM

        Are you upset with the human failings of priests/bishops because they are acting like humans or because their message is one you don't want to hear? Of course clergy sin! They are humans like the rest of us. That doesn't mean that their message is wrong. And by the way, the vast majority of preists had no involvement whatsoever in the clergy abuse scandel. I find it interesting that you refer to the Catholic church as your church.

        • Posted By: midnight05 @ 11/17/2007 3:40:29 PM

          I was taught by priests and I agree that most priests are and were good human beings. I believe that the abuse scandals were as painful to the good guys as they were disgusting to those of us watching from the outside. My objection to their objections to Rudy is that telling people how to vote, as Bishop Sheridan of Colorado did, is a violation of the tax laws of the US and he should be paying taxes on all the real estate of the church in his city because he violated the relevant statutes.

        • Posted By: bonas50 @ 11/17/2007 12:31:41 PM

          You say Rudi isn't parading around pretending to be something he's not ? How about telling people he is a Catholic ? He's no Catholic. Just because he was Baptized doesn't mean he's Catholic. You cannot be married, divorce , and re-marry a divorced woman outside the church and pretend to be a catholic. You have to go to confession at least once a year, and recieve Commuinion , this during the Easter Period. Rudy can't go to Confession and pretend he's sorry for his sins , when he's going home to an adulterous union. So then he can't receive Holy Communion, therefor he's excommunicated. period... so, if your a fan of Giuliani's tell him to stop saying he's Catholic... Now, do you still think he's not parading around prete nding to be something he's not..... Anyway, Catholicism aside, wait until the Kerek mess unfolds... You'll have your eyes open for sure... Giuliani waived the obligation for Kerek to fill out the usual questionairre for the job he inherited..... Now Rudi is abondoning the ship... Look up his record, and see the men he railroaded on the Stock Exchange, with no evidence, when he was trying to make a name for himself... You think this administration is corrupt ? You ain't seen nothin yet, as Durante use to say.

  • Posted By: AuH20 @ 11/17/2007 3:35:16 PM

    If they're going to take a strong stance against abortion, they should also take a strong stance against wars of aggression and the death penalty. However, if they were to do that, most of the chicken-hawks running for president (including a draft-dodger like Giuliani) would suddenly find themselves on the wrong side of the Catholic Church. I think it's about time that happened, because if nothing else it would put an end to the frightening and nonsensical alliance between "social conservatives" and warmongers that we see today.

  • Posted By: midnight05 @ 11/17/2007 3:34:19 PM

    if the bishops urge parishioners to vote or not vote for someone and if they do it as representatives of the Roman Catholic Church, the church's tax exempt status should be suspended and the billions they own in real estate taxed at the appropriate level.

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