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  • Posted By: michaeld1959 @ 11/16/2007 9:35:35 PM

    As a Catholic, I will not allow the Catholic Church tell me how to vote. They act so almighty when it comes to abortion. Where were they when their priests were molesting all the Catholic kids, protecting the priests was where. They want to rule the faithful but don't want to rule themselves. There is more at stake than abortion. Hey, Republicans have never done anything about abortion other than say they are against it. Whoopee. Im a middle class citizen, the Republican party is at war with me, why would I vote for them?

    • Posted By: shealerdv @ 11/16/2007 9:53:18 PM

      Michael - Why dont' you leave the church, seriously?
      From a grateful ex Catholic

      • Posted By: bonas50 @ 11/17/2007 12:36:03 PM

        Michaeld 1959.... I 'm 76 years old and have never been told by the Catholic Church whom to vote for. Yes there have been corrupt priests. We all know and have been bombarded with the reports by the press. Have you ever looked up how many Rabbis, and protestant ministers are in prison for the same offence. Those guilty were not following the dictates of the church. They were sinning aginst the 6 th Commandment and will be judged by God and punished or not accordingly... The church does not advocate such behavior and you know it.....

      • Posted By: rlinwi @ 11/16/2007 10:37:28 PM

        Leaving the church solves nothing - it only makes you feel superior to the very people you accuse of acting superior. The Catholic faith is much larger than any or even all of the bishops. The clergy abuse scandel is clearly a shameful scandal. I also don't think anyone denies that it was handled very poorly. But to hold or reject your faith because of the actions of a small group of people is to really never to have had faith in God to begin with. The God who was before the scandel is still the same God today and will be forever. Whether you care or not, I will pray for you.

  • Posted By: dchappy@hotmail.com @ 11/17/2007 8:12:26 AM

    Are the church incumbents in is debarred from commenting on USA politics and on political practices and clamp political demands on political practices that are religiously contrary to Christianity in a Christian Country?

    These days??? people from other community, came as refugee then immigrant now citizen tries to behave like religious Maters over other God gifted religious church authorities; these people have done the maximum harm to United States its religious, social cultural, financial, commercial, and economical even in family lives of Americans.

    No where mentioned in Christianity or other religious original scripts about practicing incest in family life but this community has invented to practice incest, have gay and *** culture. Now all sinful garbage has been dumped in this countries religion. The religion itself had been shattered to pieces by these people, claiming to be the exponent of Christianity and the Christians.

    I am amazed to see the audacity with which they comment on Christians Church Bishops statements; it seemed to me that the masters are talking to their servants. Well what is so great in a criminal???s character, long back Giuliani had been a subject of objection of the Church but then why Mr. Former Jew is annoyed? MAY BE ???MOSAD??? AND AIPAC people at the background are very worried. The Bishops are justified in their stand and should take action appropriate for violation of the decision taken by the bishops in regard to Giuliani .

    None should interfere in matters related to Religion and Church. Comments by people belonging to different religion should be avoided under all circumstances. The decision by bishops must and should be upheld in honor of the religion.
    D C HAPPY

  • Posted By: formerjew @ 11/17/2007 4:25:53 AM

    If the church is so involved in politics, then they should be paying taxes and all the other things that the government receives.

  • Posted By: formerjew @ 11/17/2007 4:23:31 AM

    If the church has decided to be so involved in politics, then they should be liable for income taxes, and the rest of the taxes that we all pay.

  • Posted By: Rational man @ 11/17/2007 3:27:08 AM

    Those that have been excommunicated will soon find out they have been set free of the dark ages, and can now freely express NATURAL spirituality. Send me the paperwork I will excommunicate myself. I did not choose Catholicisn I inherited it. God gave us free will for a reason.

  • Posted By: NedHop @ 11/17/2007 2:10:44 AM

    As it has done throughout its history,-- and very much like radical Islam -- the Catholic Church wants to make its tenets and superstitions the law of the land. It would impose its Roman "shari'a" on everybody, Catholic and non-Catholic alike. Note its recent excommunication of most of the Mexican Congress for adopting a law that permits abortion in cases of rape and incest. Voltaire was right: 'Ecrasez l'infame.'

  • Posted By: Max Rollins @ 11/17/2007 12:20:15 AM

    This piece is yet another example of why all religions should be subject to income tax, IMO.

  • Posted By: Max Rollins @ 11/17/2007 12:15:23 AM

    re: "..We're all good Catholics.."

    Pray tell, just what is a 'good Catholic'?

  • Posted By: ken40 @ 11/16/2007 11:33:56 PM

    According to Church doctrine, pro-life means promoting life from conception to natural death. Since that's the case, NONE of the candidates, Democrat or Republican, would be able to receive communion. The Democrats promote abortion, while the Republicans promote the death penalty and the unjust war (per Church doctrine) in Iraq.

  • Posted By: justin90069 @ 11/16/2007 9:52:44 PM

    its embarrassing to be in the yera 2007 and still seeing such closed minded, whacko right wing discussion... this world be better without catholisism

    • Posted By: rlinwi @ 11/16/2007 11:14:15 PM

      Why do some people consider the belief of right to life to be closed minded? Whacko?
      I will continue to pray for you and for all of the other abortionists. If you are so inclined, I would happily welcome your prayers for me. Human life is precious - all of it.

  • Posted By: albertoDoe @ 11/16/2007 11:09:04 PM

    Re: Pfeels The hope is that we would want to listen to them in case they are telling the truth. What is important here is: are you willing to hear the truth even if it comes out of the mouths of people that, for whatever reason, you have prejudices against. In Jesus's time the pharisee's didn't listen to his truth because their minds were being shown their mistakes. This is happening again. Please understand.

  • Posted By: mild_irritant @ 11/16/2007 7:04:09 PM

    I agree that this should not even be a political issue.

    It is a medical issue and nothing else.

    • Posted By: rlinwi @ 11/16/2007 11:00:32 PM

      Medical issue? You are calling the destruction of a human life a medical issue? I suppose that helps abortioists fell better. It does not, however, make it less immoral.

  • Posted By: pfeels @ 11/16/2007 10:56:54 PM

    Why would anybody listen to these people, the catholic church is one of the most corrupt organizations in all of history

  • Posted By: albertoDoe @ 11/16/2007 10:22:41 PM

    The link isn't posting properly here so I will break it up into two lines and let you put them back together in your own web browser. Good luck! God Bless!
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docu
    ments/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19741118_declaration-abortion_en.html

  • Posted By: albertoDoe @ 11/16/2007 10:16:59 PM

    Please read why they take the stance that they do and use your own God given abilities to consider that they may actually know what they are talking about. This isn't a waste of time for you. At the very least you will know more about what they are saying and if you still disagree will be better able to attack God's servants.
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19741118_declaration-abortion_en.html

  • Posted By: albertoDoe @ 11/16/2007 10:13:31 PM

    Continued: society. We as Americans have become only interested in what we think will solve our problems and make life easier (i.e. more pleasurable). This is not what Jesus came here to show us. He came here to show us how we should live in those ways that humanity could not realize, ever, through our own problem solving skills. The Catholic Church continues his work as the successors of the Apostles.

  • Posted By: albertoDoe @ 11/16/2007 10:08:58 PM

    The Catholic Church's stance on abortion is much more than the mere opinions that you or I are able to formulate to make our own decisions. If you would like to read why they are against abortion you may find out at the following link to the Vatican archives. Their findings are sound and reasonable. Their arguments are powerful, but in a way that so often fails to be understood in our pragmatic, scientific, progress-oriented relativistic socieyt

  • Posted By: honorine @ 11/16/2007 10:07:43 PM

    If the Bishops want to act like Christians why not come up with a plan whereas when a man/boy gets a woman/girl pregnant the person should be made to pay $20,000.00 to the female and $250.00 per month. Men need to suffer the shame and abandament that women suffer. Let's hit the men from now on and the Bishops will not have to worry about abortions.
    I would highly suggest the Priests get pregnant and be a woman for a day suffering job discrimination, shame, poverty, no housing, no food, but must take care these kids.
    I am sick of the Catholic Church and all the churches who are so judgemental. They need to preach forgiveness and help for their brothers and sisters, love and compassion for all.

  • Posted By: shealerdv @ 11/16/2007 9:51:49 PM

    I am sick to death of the Catholic Church, the Bishops and all the rest. Why don't they focus on the problems with pedophile priests and other abysmal behavior and leave everyone else alone.

  • Posted By: Kaizanu @ 11/16/2007 7:34:00 PM

    I find this a little concerning. The United States is considered a "Free Nation," is it not? Being Catholic or Atheist, or whatever you believe in, should not RULE OUT your own opinions; you are still your own person. I, myself, don't believe in "God" or a "Greater Being," but I will say that the United States, being what it is, should not allow Religion to become the primary decision over our laws. You're this, and she's that, big deal, let us be our own, and let us decide for ourselves.

    After all, why should you let a small group of people, deny you a right to "kill" something that isn't even considered living yet? Why let them deny you love of the opposite gender, or deny us valuable research that may eventually help us in the future? I am seriously upset at how the government has become in the course of these last eight years. I may be younger than most who read the news, but I stand firm when I say this, and in the light of my opinion of how I've learned.

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