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  • Posted By: mrtrav1 @ 11/22/2007 9:54:56 AM

    Part of the root cause of this problem has got to be the rising tuition costs. Much of the responsibility ought to reside with the universities and colleges that continue to charge these prices sending many graduates into debt. Then they spend years working at a job trying to pay that debt. If the education is as valuable as the price tag universities assign to it, maybe we wouldn't have so much of a problem. Here we're ridiculing the government for not keeping pace with the crazy pace of tuition. Schools ought to waive some of these costs for veterans, or maybe reconsider the real value in the education they're providing people; it shouldn't take more years to payoff student debt than it did to go to school.

  • Posted By: mrtrav1 @ 11/22/2007 9:53:57 AM

    Part of the root cause of this problem has got to be the rising tuition costs. Much of the responsibility ought to reside with the universities and colleges that continue to charge these prices sending many graduates into debt. Then they spend years working at a job trying to pay that debt. If the education is as valuable as the price tag universities assign to it, maybe we wouldn't have so much of a problem. Here we're ridiculing the government for not keeping pace with the crazy pace of tuition. Schools ought to waive some of these costs for veterans, or maybe reconsider the real value in the education they're providing people; it shouldn't take more years to payoff student debt than it did to go to school.

  • Posted By: Bookman1 @ 11/22/2007 1:49:21 AM

    With the country spending so much money in Iraq the dollar is not worth what it was in the time after WWII and Korea. THe small amount given to Vietnam Vets was just enough to get them by. Now with the US spending more than they can afford in Iraq, leaves the veteran at the short end of the stick. When will the government adjust the amounts to give these young soliders so that they can have a future. Not everyone wants to be a solider all their life. Remember these universities would rather give a scholarship to bounce or throw a ball than they are to give a financial break to our young men and women who have served our country.

  • Posted By: nielsetj @ 11/21/2007 8:20:05 PM

    Your article is completely correct in everything except that President Jimmy Carter did not get his college education through the GI Bill. President Carter is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy and did his graduate work as an active duty Naval officer. He was a cadet during WWII; graduating in 1946.

  • Posted By: bobeckel @ 11/21/2007 1:08:56 PM

    With the exception of WW2 and Korea our treatment of vets has been a disgrace.
    My thoughts:
    The Traditional Reward For The Heroic Troops!
    During the peak of British imperial power Rudyard Kipling penned the poem ???Tommy??? about the attitude of the British ruling class toward their troops, both during hostilities and in the aftermath.

    History is replete with the treatment of the heroic troops from Victorian England to the American Bonus Marchers of the 1930???s. With the exception of American World War Two veterans who received the thanks of a grateful nation in the form of the GI Bill of Rights. In the present day, The veterans??? reward for horrible sacrifices has been to be kicked to the curb.

    The current Republican Administration has taken special pains to starve the VA of resources to help the veterans return to normal lives. All of the non-WW2 vets to whom I have spoken have complained of shabby treatment by the bureaucracy while praising the compassionate efforts of individual VA employees. During the Iraq war there have been rumblings of this nations??? neglect. Now, Dana Priest of the Washington Post has written an expose of conditions at Building 18 at Walter Reed Hospital. Nightly, further revelations of neglect of seriously wounded troops, both in body and mind, appear on television, both on PBS and on the corporate media.

    The response of the high level officials of both DOD and the VA is to claim complete ignorance of the shameful conditions and to blame the troops for not keeping their quarters neat and clean.

    On March 1, 2007, we learned that service personnel and veterans have been ordered not to speak to the press if they perceive neglect, but go through the established chain of command. Where has the Rove-Cheney-Bush failed to betray the most vulnerable of the American people?

    I heartily recommend a reading of Rudyard Kipling???s ???Tommy???. You can ???Google??? it.








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  • Posted By: Sanddollr @ 11/21/2007 11:25:27 AM

    Having served 21 years as an active duty enlisted Marine 74-95, i provide the following advice to all....
    A college degree is essential for a good paying white collar job, and in some cases a blue collar job. Regardless of the path you choose in the future, get a college education. The real point of addressing the issues with Veterans Benefits should begin by looking at the salary structure of Government Employees. from the lowest grade of GS-1 ($16,630) to the highest grade of GS-15 Step 10 ($120,981)(OPM.Gov Salary rates) and does not include the cost of living rates which will take it even higher, compared with the Military pay rates Private ($14,436) to a Colonel over 20 years (98,161) . Yes these get other benefits, and yes they can retire at 20 years, but the retirement is based on their base pay, which I have shown. If we are to address the benefits that the military gets compared to their counterpart the Government emplyee....they are on call 24 days a week, can end up in a war zone, work more than 40 per week, could be expected to be separated from their family for more than 3 or more years on manuevers, training schools, or deployed for a year or more in places where others are trying to kill them.......our civilian counterparts....hmmm, they work 40 hours a week and then get paid extra money, hardley ever are away from their families (State Deaprtment unaccompanied tours excepted), never have to pack-up and move, repatedly over the course of a career, usually don't make enough to even consider buying a home....
    If everyone wants to talk about benefits for volunteers who are willing to die for their country regardless of the politics, then compare the benefits to what other government employees are getting as the foundation to work from...

    The military volunteers deserve more than empty promises made by people that represent them...

    • Posted By: Jay Burnz @ 11/21/2007 12:38:52 PM

      Amen to that! We are fortunate to have attracted the caliber of recruit that we've been attracting for the last 30 years or so. I doubt that the military is going to have as much appeal to this generation's youth unless they make some serious changes that keep today's costs of living at the forefront during their planning. As well as considering tradeoffs that will make recruits at least feel like they have some choices or options to enhance their lives and the lives of their families.

  • Posted By: atro10 @ 11/20/2007 8:24:18 PM

    As an ex-military i sympathize with the problems that today's enlistee's face. However, please remember that unlike those who were forcibly removed from their homes into the military by the draft, you chose to enter the military. There are many benefits to being in the military as well as the deficits. For those unmarried, your pay is virtually untouched by the expenses that most americans have to cover. Put some of that money into an educational fund instead of a night out with the rest of the guys.

  • Posted By: jojoc10 @ 11/20/2007 5:00:13 PM

    Sorry, I certainly appreciate your service, I realize my comments might have offended you. However, my point was that those who actually got fired at and went on combat patrols outside of the wire should receive precedence. Once these men and women have been taken care of, then you can go to college. And yes, I do currently serve in the military and yes I did serve in Baghdad.

  • Posted By: jojoc10 @ 11/20/2007 3:56:28 AM

    Bottom line...only those who were deployed in support of OEF or OIF should receive any benefits whatsoever. The rest of these so-called veterans can continue to receive the benefits that they get and if they want to get a college education, they can pay for it themselves.

    • Posted By: MSTuscg @ 11/20/2007 3:01:59 PM

      Have you even served in the military? Do you know anything about what the CONUS-stationed military personnel deal with on a regular basis?

  • Posted By: MSTuscg @ 11/20/2007 2:55:19 PM

    As a current active duty member in the military, i think that those who have something negative to say about the "so-called veterans" should serve some time, whether it be over-seas or not- that way, they can understand the hardships ALL of the military personnel go through

  • Posted By: dewcooper @ 11/19/2007 2:22:37 PM

    When will people stop looking to the government for handouts? I served in the military and realized that the Montgomery GI Bill was not going to send me to Harvard, so I picked a school that I could afford.

    This is a two part rpoblem, the first being that most colleges and universities are financially ill-managed (nothing like liberals sticking it to the common man) and that people don't realize that the governemnt doesn't print money. Any increases in spending of any kind comes from OUR pockets. Stop over taxing us and we can afford better things without the governemnt.

    • Posted By: mynor142 @ 11/20/2007 10:18:13 AM

      Actually, dewcooper, the government does print money and over the last 8 years has done so at an alarming rate, hence the 40% drop in the value of the dollar since Bush took office. That is the problem with the fiscal policy of this administration, they have grossly increased spending while at the same time offering tax cuts across the board. They have paid for this increase by printing money as fast as they can run the presses. The only reason why the dollar is valued as highly as it is now is that the governments of several eastern asian countries have sustained its value by buying up the dollar. Perhpas if the government had offred you a greater amount under the GI bill then you could have taken elementary classes in economics, finance, and political science so that you could make a logically sound argument.

  • Posted By: R_DNORTON @ 11/20/2007 12:38:42 AM

    THE GI BILL WAS A GREAT THING. I WAS UNDER THE OLD GI BILL AND RECEIVED A $600.00 A MONTH PAYMENT FOR HALF TIME. I COULD NOT AFFORD TO LIVE ON THIS BUT COULD PAY MY SCHOOL BILLS WITH IT.

    THE PROBLEM OF AFFORDABLILTY???SOME STATES HAVE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS FOR THEIR VETERANS, ONE INCLUDED FREE TUISION. (IT BEEN AWHILE AND I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY STILL DO). THIS MAY BE THE WAY TO GO. IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD GET STATES TO HELP WITH THE TUISON COST AT STATE UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES OR MAYBE KICK IN THE ROOM AND BOARD. THIS IS A NATIONAL ISSUE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CARRY THE FULL WEIGHT.

  • Posted By: R_DNORTON @ 11/20/2007 12:37:08 AM

    THE GI BILL WAS A GREAT THING. I WAS UNDER THE OLD GI BILL AND RECEIVED A $600.00 A MONTH PAYMENT FOR HALF TIME. I COULD NOT AFFORD TO LIVE ON THIS BUT COULD PAY MY SCHOOL BILLS WITH IT.

    THE PROBLEM OF AFFORDABLILTY???SOME STATES HAVE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS FOR THEIR VETERANS, ONE INCLUDED FREE TUISION. (IT BEEN AWHILE AND I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY STILL DO). THIS MAY BE THE WAY TO GO. IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COULD GET STATES TO HELP WITH THE TUISON COST AT STATE UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES OR MAYBE KICK IN THE ROOM AND BOARD. THIS IS A NATIONAL ISSUE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CARRY THE FULL WEIGHT.

  • Posted By: timmytee2516 @ 11/19/2007 4:25:19 PM

    i am a veteran of peace time 8years served we came in under a program called VEAP wasn,t worth the paper it was written on with the pay a soldier got. These soldiers put their lives on the line for our country and they should be rewarded justly for their future and the future of this country.

  • Posted By: timmytee2516 @ 11/19/2007 4:21:58 PM

    yeah our government has short change a many of our veterans the program iwas under in the military was call VEAP it sucked and i served eight years and got nothing for college these vets definitly deserve more and veap was not retroactive to the 1985 gi bill unbelieveable.

  • Posted By: cmcoates @ 11/19/2007 2:39:26 PM

    First, one correction. The GI Bill benefit was not $9900/year for four years. It was $9900, period. But it has increased every year. I noticed the Bush Administration is opposed to an increase, well duh. The Bush administration is and has been, elitist. Anything that is going to help the lower and middle class come up to their level, they will be opposed to. If it had been a proposal for corporate tax cuts, they would be all over it. I have used my GI Bill while still on Active duty and my spouse was able to use hers but it didn't come no where near paying for her BS degree. We still had over $10K in student loans, she used a Pell grant all four years and that was at a state college, (TSUD- Alabama) As a side note, I am a senior NCO, with 19 years in the Army.

  • Posted By: gbagen @ 11/19/2007 12:23:07 PM

    When I came back from Vietnam, my GI Bill was $175/month, with a maximum benefit of 36 months ($6,300). And these volunteers are complaining about therir pay? I started at less than $100/mopnth as a draftee.

  • Posted By: conheme @ 11/19/2007 10:20:18 AM

    How can the worlds Judicial bodies sit back and see all the rules flouted by the hang picked kangroo court decisions of pakistan supreme court decisions in favor of Mr. Musharraf.These courts follow international jurisprudence .Decisions by these hand picked Judgtes become part of the Archives. Please someone ACT to stop this.

  • Posted By: SSG L @ 11/18/2007 9:54:19 PM

    The programs that put my father thru school ended very abuptly after Vietnam. I was only offered the Veteran's Educational Assistance Program (VEAP). And for that, the government contributed $2 for every $1 I put in the program, with a ceiling of $2100 for me. The Montgomery GI bill was a welcome improvement, but it's time is past. The WWII program needs to be approved and funded immediately, with a stipend of well over $50. You can retain troops past their initial enlistments by allowing no "use it or lose it" deadline. The program would be life long - with all incentives (Tuition Assistance, for example) remaining in place.

    As for some of the comments about "this administration", let's remember that for 8 inglorious years, we had "that administration", and may end up having "that administration" again. "That administration" did exactly nothing on this issue (and it's been around a while). To have a bill that everyone loves stay in committee under "that Congress" and force feed it to the White House (and then override the veto) is just as negligent as some of the comments listed.

    Lastly, having served for over 25 years, this country really needs mandatory conscription, not a draft. Every 18 year old needs to serve at least 4 years on active duty (or 6 years for Reserve service) and qualify for the new GI Bill program. There should be no exceptions or exemptions for this service - you can still serve in the Reserve components and go to college. The fact that the services are considering allowing felons with multiple convictions does a serious disservice to the United States.

    Iraq / Afghanistan / etc have absolutely nothing to do with anything. Republicans, Democrats, and the rest need to stop fueling rhetoric down all of our throats and start doing what's right for the country. I'm no Democrat, but John Edwards hit the nail on the head when he said "We don't need to replace corporate Republicans with corporate Democrats".

    Amen to that.

    SSG L.

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