How to Beat Hillary (Next) November

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  • Posted By: kayakkel @ 11/18/2007 2:30:40 PM

    Karl Rove is now free it would seem to sell his corrupted vision of America to a once proud, now decadent news magazine. The US Justice Department won't throw him in jail and if they did, George Bush would pardon him no matter how grievous his crimes. Perhaps the only way ordinary Newsweek subscribers can make a statement about how outraged we are about the impact of this villain is to cancel our subscriptions.
    any public

  • Posted By: KateinNoVa @ 11/18/2007 2:29:09 PM

    Personally, I like this sort of contrast from Newsweek. While Markos talks of proper governance, Rove talks of full length mirrors. I ask you - which side would you like represented in our White House?

  • Posted By: Westmiller @ 11/18/2007 2:27:54 PM

    Interesting, inasmuch as it discloses Rove's strategic mindset.
    A mirror is not a mirror, it is a "full length vanity mirror" in an office that was occupied by a woman. Therefore, she must be vain, shallow, and preoccupied with appearances. The mirror is a symbol of her weakness, whether she put it there or not. It's cunning and opaque; an insult implied in a smirk. Rove has clearly perfected the technique, but it discloses something about him too. Rather than simply stating what he believes to be true, he evades the contest by merely implying the accusation through symbols. He would never say "Hillary is weak," only that she used a "vanity" mirror. You get it and he doesn't have to defend the claim ... in fact, he adds a self-deprecating quip to shrug it off: "I'm vain too." So, the symbol stands as an insult to Hillary, but gosh, we all have faults, so it isn't really an insult. The visual token is remembered and casts his opponent in an unflattering context - primping while Rome burns.
    Rove's strategy works. What it says about us, or the level of civil discourse, is that petty digs matter.

  • Posted By: Westmiller @ 11/18/2007 2:27:38 PM

    Interesting, inasmuch as it discloses Rove's strategic mindset.
    A mirror is not a mirror, it is a "full length vanity mirror" in an office that was occupied by a woman. Therefore, she must be vain, shallow, and preoccupied with appearances. The mirror is a symbol of her weakness, whether she put it there or not. It's cunning and opaque; an insult implied in a smirk. Rove has clearly perfected the technique, but it discloses something about him too. Rather than simply stating what he believes to be true, he evades the contest by merely implying the accusation through symbols. He would never say "Hillary is weak," only that she used a "vanity" mirror. You get it and he doesn't have to defend the claim ... in fact, he adds a self-deprecating quip to shrug it off: "I'm vain too." So, the symbol stands as an insult to Hillary, but gosh, we all have faults, so it isn't really an insult. The visual token is remembered and casts his opponent in an unflattering context - primping while Rome burns.
    Rove's strategy works. What it says about us, or the level of civil discourse, is that petty digs matter.

  • Posted By: jonassloan @ 11/18/2007 2:22:18 PM

    Rove is the person that is most vile and calculating. He doesn't say anything that won't further his agenda. His strategy is one of disinformation, double talk, and folksy rumination. By suggesting ways to beat Hillary he hopes to inflame her candidacy to fall into another debate stumble. When the Republican smear campaigns really get going, Hillary will need to rise above it all and keep her composure. Shes a lot more restrained since that vanity mirror incident and now it will be Republicans who will be looking into that mirror and with a lot more insecurity than Hillary ever did.

  • Posted By: dwm1941 @ 11/18/2007 2:11:44 PM

    You say Hillary isn't authentic? You are the king when it comes to creating inauthenticity. So how did the complete Texanization of bush come about? an act of God? Did w wake up one morning at Kennibunkport to an epiphany of moving to Texas and buying a ranch at Crawford? you have laid out some platitudes for your cronies to follow: "issues that used to be "go to"one for Republicans, like crime and welfare, don't have much salience." "Concerns like
    health care, the cost of college and social mobility will be more important." Seems to me that you are directing your collective buddies to be what? INAUTHENTIC! I used to have grudging respect for the Republican party of past years. now they have dropped to the level of despicable and will rise no
    higher, until they bring decency and the milk of human kindness back into their political psyche. they are a doomed party. Newsweek would have been better served by hiring G Gordon Liddy as a commentator. Now there is a true Patriot and is head and shoulders above Rove in terms of total honesty

  • Posted By: msobel @ 11/18/2007 8:37:33 AM

    So, telling a story which intentionally gives a false impression, being told that it is a false impression and repeating the story is without moral impact but repeating that it is a false implication is brittle and hard. If I lie and you call me on it, you are being brittle and hard. Right, got it.

    • Posted By: heldmyw @ 11/18/2007 2:08:47 PM

      No. Karl told a story. Period.
      Hillary inferred that it had something to do with her. Her name wasn't mentioned.
      He told the same story, and... she still believes it's "all about Hillary.
      Her paranoia is showing and she flips at anything she perceives as remotely disparaging... that's all.
      That's Hillary

  • Posted By: whitehouseneighbor @ 11/18/2007 8:39:44 AM

    This is why she cannot be the Democratic nominee. She would be so easy to beat in a change election even when the fresher choice is a Republican. She is not authentic and has a closet full of flip-flops, and another one with Bill's mistresses' skeletons. Democrats need a new face that will transform the debate, challenge the process by not having talking points already memorized about him, someone who will contrast the white male Republican, embodying true change in images alone. Obama.

    • Posted By: leodelaney @ 11/18/2007 2:04:51 PM

      whitehouseneighbor I believe my wife said it best. Obama is what we used to call a "Dude." An empty suited, inexperienced, naive, sporty "Dude" who needs to go away for a a decade or so and come back when he's an experienced man and no longer a "Dude." Makes sense. He will be good, but it is years in the future and, if as this seems to imply, electability is an overriding issue for the nomination, then Obama is absolutely the worng choice. I have lived all over this nation; born and raised in NYC, lived in Chicago, LA, Spokane, Dallas, Philadelphia, Detroit, Atlanta, Omaha, Billings and everywhere in between and let me tell you, the voters of this nation will elect a dozen women before they will ever elect a black man. The Civil War isn't over yet in the South, Soutwest, Northwest and much of the Midwest. Only in the East has the conflict ended. Obama's time will come, but it is not now and he would be wise not to push the issue. He's young, intelligent and articulate, but less that a single term in the Senate does not make him a good Presidential candidate. We need a change but he is not the person to give us that change. Not yet.

  • Posted By: woodym1 @ 11/18/2007 2:01:53 PM

    Frankly Mr Rove... You should go into selling used cars. I think you'd be terrific at it. You have the weasel's guile and the personality of a Texas Rat snake.

  • Posted By: woodym1 @ 11/18/2007 2:01:47 PM

    Frankly Mr Rove... You should go into selling used cars. I think you'd be terrific at it. You have the weasel's guile and the personality of a Texas Rat snake.

  • Posted By: ksinlj @ 11/18/2007 2:00:49 PM

    I can't believe that Newsweek has this sociopath on it's payroll. I agree that the biggest payback for Rove will be that he is history; irrelevant; a punchline that might be funny if there weren't so many innocent dead people as a result of his lies.

  • Posted By: hcooke @ 11/18/2007 2:00:18 PM

    What is "small and telling" about the vanity mirror story is Mr. Rove's ease in bending and twisting the facts to get his viewpoint across. When confronted with the truth, not only didn't Mr. Rove have the shame or grace to apologize to Senator Clinton for the misrepresentation of the facts but repeated the story again at a later date. In this article, Mr. Rove has glaringly and arrogantly dislayed the disdain and condescension consistentyly displayed by the Bush administration for the facts and those who attempt to live their lives by them.

  • Posted By: pianofan @ 11/18/2007 1:50:28 PM

    Yes, Karl! Let the swiftboating begin! Isn't that how you got the most incompetent, petulant, neurotic moron in history elected (sorta)? And I noticed you made sure to link Hillary with the word that "rhymes with witch" in your opening paragraphs.

    Criminy . . . isn't there some remote embassy (Doonesbury's Berzerkistan comes to mind) where we can export this human wart? He seems to have too much time on his hands right now.

  • Posted By: leodelaney @ 11/18/2007 1:50:11 PM

    Can't believe that anyone who was called "Bush's Brains" for all these years can be as naive and dull witted as this man sounds here. Apparently when he is not near the Oval Office to have a President even more ineffective than he carry out his ideas, he becomes a simpleminded, insignificant dullard. This article could have been written by a High School Sophomore for all the original thought and ideas it contains. I fully expected the Republican Party to use Rove to attack Hillary or any Democratic nominee for President just the way he orchastrated the attacks on John Kerry. Supposedly he is the best there is at making up lies, utilizing innuendos, sending out attack groups like the Swift Boat Liars with the incredible memories of thirty years before, and generally using any and all unethical and inmmoral tactics possible without the slightest degree of shame.

    In this article however he uses none of and instead sounds like a frumpy college professor at a small community college in central Iowa. There's nothing wrong with that, but its not the Rove most of the world disrespects. Or maybe he knows that Hillary Clinton is no John Kerry and she will not stand still for the type of blatant lies spread by Rove's goons in the last election. Unlike Kerry who behaved as a gentleman, Hillary is a woman and not gentle, and Hillary will call Rove to the wall on every issue, every innuendo, every lie, even every half-truth he utters. And Rove is not a man who wants to or can defend himself in public. He works best in the back and in the dark behind the chair where he can't be seen and can't be challanged. Hillary will pull that chair away and make him face the light and the results of his action. A coward can't do that. Perhaps that is why he has become so bland; the realization that he won't get away with it again.

  • Posted By: alexe @ 11/18/2007 1:40:21 PM

    Karl you are the biggest hypocrite I have ever heard known. You talk about Hilary being calculating when you masterminded some of the worst smear campaigns in history. You have no high ground to stand on. One thing is sure and that is what goes around, comes around. I sincerely hope that you will reap what you have sown. May God know exactly what you have done in your life and bless you accordingly.

  • Posted By: brucecfindlay @ 11/18/2007 1:36:22 PM

    The mirror story is interesting because it shows one method that Karl Rove uses...lie by implication. Of course, then there is lie by lie..."I don't recall."; or how about lie by omission? Karl Rove and his cronies believe that winning by any method is justified; if it requires lying or stealing an election that's fine, because they believe that the wealthy should run the country because they are wealthy therefore they know what is best because they are wealthy. Circular reasoning. It clearly demonstrates an agenda in search of a rationale.

  • Posted By: rucatt @ 11/18/2007 1:26:26 PM

    Mr. Rove is wrong about the Democrats wagering on defeat in Iraq. No one wants defeat, but unless the American people stand ready to greatly enlarge the military ground forces through conscription and make the necessary wartime sacrifices, we will be doing nothing more except buying just a little more time. Watch what happens when the surge forces are brought home. Republicans and Democratic parents would not support a draft - end of story. Declare victory and get out.

  • Posted By: dnward @ 11/18/2007 1:21:49 PM

    Karl Rove...the man who was behind the plan to "Unite" the country. In my 55 years I do not ever remember the country being more divided and at odds with itself, not even during the Vietnam war. I believe that we are no longer a "SuperPower" in the eyes of the world...nor in the eyes of many Americans and its all due to a large part to the self serving, myoptic, self righteous policies set forth by Karl Rove.

  • Posted By: NO2WAR @ 11/18/2007 1:18:39 PM

    why don't you jsut tell the Republicans to steal it like Florida 2000, and Ohio 2004. Or better yet bring bqack the Swift Boat Liars For Bush. Because if you talk about the issues Republicans lose. Health Care for Kids, vetoed by the Republican President. People are weary of the endless occupation of Iraq. that so far cost every American Family $20,000. Maybe you can scare US into
    voting Republican. Threaten us with more attacks. Terror, terror, all day on the talking heads. BUT WHERE THE HELL IS OSAMA BIN FORGOTTON? The Republican "Commander Guy" let him go at Torra Borra. The Republican brand is dead Karl and you helped kill it.

  • Posted By: promech @ 11/18/2007 1:14:33 PM

    "So show them who you are in a way that gives the American people hope, optimism and insight." Sounds strange coming from one who managed to get a nitwit elected president by running on fear, division and deceit. That said, I am not inspired by any of the front runners, D or R, but I'll be damned if I will vote for any candidate who takes advice from the neocon crackpots who have dug us into the hole we are in today.

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