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A Catholic Dilemma: Can They Root for Rudy?

 
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  • Posted By: davenp35 @ 12/02/2007 2:57:31 PM

    Comment: I didn't realize Newsweek allowd openly anti-Christian bigots to post on here (see christendom hater). Oh, thats right, hating Christians is ok with the liberal media. My bad.

  • Posted By: christendomhater @ 11/28/2007 9:12:29 PM

    Comment: oh well, everyone will see pretty soon anyway.

  • Posted By: christendomhater @ 11/28/2007 9:12:02 PM

    Comment: and that photo just looks evil...don't you think?

  • Posted By: christendomhater @ 11/28/2007 9:07:56 PM

    Comment: politics and religion don't mix...it's one or the other people!

  • Posted By: J Baustian @ 11/25/2007 9:31:43 PM

    Comment: Soon, fairly soon I think, the Roe v. Wade decision will be overturned. Then abortion law will be a question for the state legislatures -- where it belongs, since the Constitution says nothing about abortion.

    Possibly a pro-abortion Democratic president could postpone this day of reckoning, but not for long. Gradually the electorate is becoming more anti-abortion, as the children of pro-life mothers grow up and register to vote.

  • Posted By: J Baustian @ 11/25/2007 9:30:30 PM

    Comment: Soon, fairly soon I think, the Roe v. Wade decision will be overturned. Then abortion law will be a question for the state legislatures -- where it belongs, since the Constitution says nothing about abortion.

    Possibly a pro-abortion Democratic president could postpone this day of reckoning, but not for long. Gradually the electorate is becoming more anti-abortion, as the children of pro-life mothers grow up and register to vote.

  • Posted By: RochesterRoss @ 11/24/2007 4:54:40 PM

    Comment: I don't think you can really predict what anti-abortion Catholic voters might do until we know if a true anti-abortion candidate is run on a 3rd party line. Rudy becomes an easier choice if ALL the candidates are pro-abortion. I can tell you for sure that this Catholic would choose a 3rd party protest vote over a republican or a democrat that is pro-abortion.

  • Posted By: midnight05 @ 11/24/2007 4:07:06 PM

    Comment: Rudy's sex life is not the issue. Rudy's morals are. He is comfortable having a priest defrocked as a pedophile in his company plus an ethically challenged former police chief. He carries the blood of firefighters on his hands after not replacing non-functioning radios while running on his September 11 performance. I assume that Catholics care about that stuff, too.

  • Posted By: wingnut! @ 11/24/2007 1:06:27 PM

    Comment: Ugh! As a Catholic, election time is hell. It has turned the topic of Abortion into a playing card. No candidate is looking for solutions, just my vote...

  • Posted By: Randy103 @ 11/24/2007 10:01:15 AM

    Comment: I think the Catholic Church "Officials" are about as likely to support Rudy as they are to elect an nazi as Pope. God please help us all.

  • Posted By: Randy103 @ 11/24/2007 9:59:52 AM

    Comment: I think the Catholic Church "Officials" are about as likely to support Rudy as they are to elect an nazi as Pope. God please help us all.

  • Posted By: Randy103 @ 11/24/2007 9:58:31 AM

    Comment: I think the Catholic Church "Officials" are about as likely to support Rudy as they are to elect an nazi as Pope. God please help us all.

  • Posted By: kbcjedi @ 11/24/2007 2:55:12 AM

    Comment: No way. Rudy like all the other candidates is a character-less corporate lap dog. The only one with any guts convictions and smarts is Ron Paul. Ron Paul has the most sensible pro-life position that I have ever heard uttered anywhere. Ron Paul is against the war in Iraq based on the principles of the Constitution which apparently no one reads or understands politicians and the populace at large included.

  • Posted By: kcormier @ 11/23/2007 1:06:15 PM

    Comment: This sunk Tom Daschle in South Dakota. I would hope our state wakes up to what was lost when John Thume was elected. Perhaps, we should read our Constitution! None of these decisions belong in Government....it is between the Lord Jesus Christ and the person!! kwc

  • Posted By: GOREMAN12 @ 11/23/2007 12:01:22 PM

    Comment: the american catholic bishops last week before Thanksgiving voted a statement saying that orthodox
    catholics may well consider voting for a candidate even if he "aborts" at will--if there are other principal
    issues--just in time to do Rudy some good---wonder why? It is accepted that Catholics won for Bush in 2004,and said so, and they are heading for the GOP white house again via the Bishops.JMccormick

  • Posted By: khar @ 11/23/2007 2:04:42 AM

    Comment: Catholics are very diverse in their thinking, but hold onto fundamental values very strongly. Those two important values are to uphold the family and to promote justice through respect for human dignity. The church stands it's ground on pro-life as part of human dignity, however, we have a president who is pro-life and the same catholics helped get him elected. Yes, you do have to have the Catholic vote behind you. The Catholic church is growing rapidly since the 'house cleaning' of fallen priests. I think the real issue Giulani is going to have to face is whether he has a track record for leadership at the family level. This is going to become an extreemly important issue in future elections. Bush can keep his family together. Lets face it, Clinton can, too. Catholics are going to look at the leadership quality of the candidates. Whether they can problem solve adequetlely and whether they have wholesome values. Catholics care about actions.

  • Posted By: onyexo @ 11/23/2007 2:01:06 AM

    Comment: I still wonder how someone that calls himself a roman catholic support abortion? Rudy and any other candidate that supports abortion should not be considered by true catholics and Christians at large. I would not want to go into the debate on abortion because we all have concience and that I know tells us the truth even if we do not want to hear that. Kenneth Okonkwo - Lagos, Nigeria

  • Posted By: khar @ 11/23/2007 1:55:04 AM

    Comment: Catholics are diverse in thinking, however, Catholics care about respect for human dignity. They will vote for the acts of promoting respect for human dignity. President Bush is pro-life, but congress and America disagrees with him on that issue currently. The same Catholics will be voting in '08 that voted in the last election. Currently, the Catholic Church is growing in vast numbers with people converting from many protestant churches. I think this is more of an indication that morality and striving for integrity is going to become a larger issue in the future. The Christian Catholics are family oriented. This might prove a difficult race for Guliani based on his track record with women. It doesn't seem that he cares much about the family unit and is able to adjust himself as a leader in that respect.

  • Posted By: quiller4 @ 11/22/2007 3:48:18 PM

    Comment: Rudy's stance on abortion is not why I will not vote for him. I won't vote for any candidate who supports the folly in Iraq. I am a volunteer with my parish emergency services program. I know how much the demand on our parish food bank is growing. Peace and economic justice issues will be my focus when I vote. I'll be reviewing only the Democratic candidates. There isn't a Republican I could seriously consider. I'm not sure how Pew defines "traditional Catholic". I'm a cradle Catholic, graduate of Catholic schools, associate member of a Dominican Community and worked in religious social services until my retirement two years ago. My personal politicacl views have swung rather sharply to the left and I find that to be the case with most of the Catholics I encounter at my parish.

  • Posted By: bsgulka @ 11/22/2007 10:07:41 AM

    Comment: Rudy Guliani's pro-choice stance on abortion is not why I will not vote for him. It is his arrogance and his riding on the coattails of 9/11 that turn me off. He just happened to be the mayor of New York at the time. I would think and hope any mayor would have stepped up to the plate. His treatment of his family during his divorce shows the man has not an ounce of common decency in his bones. I suppose his ties to Bernard Kerik also run through my mind. I think alot of people forget that many many New Yorkers did not like the man prior to 9/11.

  • Posted By: cingi @ 11/22/2007 10:04:04 AM

    Comment: Pope Trumpets Sunday Continued...

    If the papacy is allowed to have the power of the state to enforce her dogma, we will have a repeat of the atrocities of the middle/dark ages when millions of people were murdered by this "church" for not bending the knee to her false teachings. The whore of Revelation showed her fangs, tore her enemies to shreds and cleverly covered up her crimes. All this is documented in many books, including CATHOLIC TERROR TODAY, by Avro Manhattan, the book the following quotes were taken from.

    "The non-Catholic population of Catholic Croatia (Yugoslavia) were given two basic alternatives: conversion or death. Their church buildings were closed, parish documents destroyed, ecclesiastical buildings burned down, Orthodox worshippers very often were arrested inside their own churches, and kept there or in local halls while awaiting their fate: forced conversion, concentration camps or execution. Their survival, more often than not, depended upon the whim of the Ustachi Commandants and of the Catholic Padres (priests) accompanying them."

    Many of our young people have no concept of what an inquisition is. It is when a religious force moves in with such power, deception, and cruelty that it destroys everything standing in its way. These are harsh words, but you must remember that the Roman Catholics believe with all their heart that their church is the church of Jesus Christ. They believe the pope is the vicar, or the representative, of Jesus Christ on this earth. There is a teaching within the Roman Catholic structure called the temporal power. Temporal power means that the pope should control every person on the face of this globe, their property and their religion. The Jesuits are pushing for this temporal power which means a world-wide dictator. They believe this is the only way to go, and those who oppose them are the enemies of the gospel.


    "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come (the return of Christ), except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exaltheth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4

    "If protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church."--Albert Smith, chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the cardinal in a letter of Feb. 10, 1920.

    "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for the doctrines the commandments of men." Matthew 15:9

    "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey? Romans 6:16

  • Posted By: bsgulka @ 11/22/2007 10:02:19 AM

    Comment: Rudy Guliani's pro-choice stance has no bearing on why i will never vote for him. It is is air of arrogance and his warhawk mantra that has me turned off. His riding on the coattails of 9/11 is a total sham. He just happen to be the mayor of New York at the time. i would think any mayor would have stepped up top the plate. Up until then he was not very well liked in New Yor City. I suppose his connections to Bernard Kerik have some bearing on my thoughts too. I am telling you where there is smoke there is fire. The man to me is devoid of any real Presidential presence.

  • Posted By: cingi @ 11/22/2007 9:42:40 AM

    Comment: FYI

    Pope: Sunday Worship a "Necessity" For All
    September 17, 2007 | From theTrumpet.com


    Pope Benedict XVI says your life depends upon worshiping on Sunday.

    "Sine dominico non possumus!" "Without Sunday [worship] we cannot live!" Pope Benedict xvi declared during a mass on September 9 at St. Stephen's Cathedral in Vienna.

    Speaking on the final day of his three-day visit to Austria, the German pope voiced a strong call for Christians to revive Sunday keeping as an all-important religious practice.

    "Give the soul its Sunday, give Sunday its soul," he chanted before a rain-soaked crowd of 40,000.

    Benedict said that Sunday, which he stated has its origin as "the day of the dawning of creation," was "also the church's weekly feast of creation."

    Warning against the evils of allowing Sunday to become just a part of the weekend, the pope said people needed to have a spiritual focus during the first day of the week, or else leisure time would just become wasted time.

    Sunday worship, he warned, was not just a "precept" to be casually adhered to, but a "necessity" for all people.

    In the opening greeting, the archbishop of Vienna said a movement in Austria had been initiated to protect "Sunday from tendencies to empty [it] of its meaning."

    In Austria, most businesses are restricted from operating on Sunday. However, some business groups are pressuring the government to be allowed to open, a move Roman Catholic groups vehemently oppose.

    During Benedict's trip to Austria, he called for Europe to look to its Christian roots, to trust in God and to defend traditional values.

    The pope has been very vocal about Europe's Christian-or Catholic-roots, and is pushing to have them included in the European Constitution. Although laws concerning Sunday worship are currently determined by individual nations, look for the European Union to eventually gain jurisdiction over the work week-which is one big reason the Catholic Church is so intimately involved with the evolution of the EU. Continued....

  • Posted By: KissMeOnce @ 11/21/2007 10:50:13 PM

    Comment: Hmmm. Time to enter all the churches (and St. Patrick's Cathedral) onto the property tax rolls. Looks like we've found a way to pay for all those tax cuts!

  • Posted By: jncc1701 @ 11/21/2007 12:21:48 PM

    Comment: the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, section 3, and states that:

    ??? ...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. ???
    This clause immediately follows one requiring al... to take an oath of support to the Constitution.

    Can someone point out to me where the Pope is mentioned...I must have missed that part of US Constitution 101

  • Posted By: matot @ 11/21/2007 8:47:33 AM

    Comment: Who will be the next President? Republican or Democrat? Clinton and Obama supports pro abortion 100%. if abortion is the only gauge, we cannot vote for them. Rudy supports abortion but his view is not 100%. He can change. Who are you going to choose? Not vote? Then you just welcome President Clinton or President Obama.

  • Posted By: matot @ 11/21/2007 8:42:50 AM

    Comment: Who will be the next president? Republican or Democrat. Clinton and Obama supports pro abortion 100 percent. If abortion is the only gauge, we cannot vote for them. Rudy supports abortion but his views show he is not 100 percent for it. He may change. Who are you going to choose? Not vote? You just welcomed President Clinton or President Obama.

  • Posted By: jojoc10 @ 11/21/2007 4:42:16 AM

    Comment: I find it particularly interesting that according to the statistics presented in this article that while 63% of White Catholics are Pro-Life another 63% also have a favorable view of the mayor.

    I think we tend to look at Catholics and other groups (teachers, veterans, union workers, senior citizens) as having a singular voice and stovepipe them as such when in reality they all have individual opinions on a wide variety of issues and are not just focused on the issues of the groups that we label them by. What about the Catholic who is in the teachers union teaching at the age of 50 who used to be a veteran? I'm guessing that they are concerned with a lot more than just abortion.

    Thomas Melady seems to be inciting an issue that could soon turn out to be the swift-boat claim that haunted John Kerry into the general election. I think we should keep him and this issue on our radars if Rudy does end up getting his party's nomination.

  • Posted By: mrgarrski @ 11/21/2007 1:35:28 AM

    Comment: of course a catholic can vote for Rudy. Things are a lot different now then they were years and years ago

  • Posted By: mrgarrski @ 11/21/2007 1:34:25 AM

    Comment: of course a cathiolic can vote for Rudy. Things are a lot different now then they were years and years ago

  • Posted By: PaulF @ 11/20/2007 3:49:26 PM

    Comment: As a Catholic who considers themselves somewhat Orthodox I am saddened that so many Catholics have been lead to vote for candidates who while promising to work to repeal Row vs Wade have in the meantime worked to "abort" the constitution. As an orthodox Catholic I see the problem of abortion as one that the Catholic community must act within itself to address. It should be that the laws allowing abortion to become unnecessary

    • Posted By: kbcjedi @ 11/24/2007 03:00:28

      Comment: Check out Ron Paul. He has never changed any of his positions in 25 years in Washington. He is a strict constitutionalist. A True statesman, he has been completely blacked out by the mainstream media. Ron Paul has won every single Republican debate including all the fox polls which they immediately attribute spam from supporters. His foreign policy is one of friendship with all and alliances with none.

  • Posted By: LUISGLAWYER @ 11/20/2007 2:22:01 PM

    Comment: I think here why instead of abortion we dont teach our children love instead of lust?
    Why is so absurd to ask fathers and mothers to teach more conciouness to the girl and to the boy so they dont star sex at 10 years old ?Oh and when i tell sex I am not telling introduction
    But since the schools in the us teachs sex education each time earlier ...
    Do the parents REALLY believes that the children do not tries at least part of the things that are learned and improves the other part?
    Today in this country people have to to take care with what they think and say.
    Have to be politcally correct.
    Do not be morally correct.
    Do not be ethically correct but politically correct yes.
    You can defend murder but not an education to restrain sex to when you are REALLY PREPARED TO ASSUME its consequences.
    SEX IS FOR ADULTS.
    Always was.
    Who are adulds is a matter of culture.
    May be an 25 y o or a 16 or a 14y o.
    Depends in the age and place.
    Greece indians galacians etc.
    What they all had in commom is that adulthood had in commom....The ability to do things for themselves to sustent themselves.
    A girl with 14 16 can sustent her and a possible baby?then go ahead.
    Besides is their only choice?Without the say of the father? Then why should he pay allimony?
    Was not HER decision and her decision alone to have or not no have?
    NO
    she receives because its not her say.
    Its not for her
    its for the developmente and education of another liofe another personality.
    You cant have both ways.
    If you are PROCHOICE you HAVE also to defende NO ALIMmONY and also many other alterations in the legislations that gives womem unfair benefits detrimental of MEN
    Either way I stand by what I ALWAYS HAVE SAID .
    LIFE CANT BE CREATED BY ME.I CANT GET IT BACK.

    • Posted By: LUISGLAWYER @ 11/20/2007 14:57:38

      Comment: So if I can not give i CAN OPT TO TAKE IT FROM OTHER ONE.
      The simple is being complicated simply because today in america the politically correct formula does not permity you to correct fisically your breed doesnt permit you to have with you in your enterprise people that you confide.Makes the place to work not a pleasure place (and should be since work in what you like is a must and makes enjoyable) but a place where you should watch your steps your words and your eyes as well one word out of place and you can be sued and not only you but the company.What makes the company takes measures preventing it.
      Today the word of women worths more than men .
      The word of black more than white.
      Etc...
      In certain places you have days that commemorate the day of the afroamerican (not black because black is not a color but is perceived as an insult but white isn't why?)
      However I AM NOT AWARE that in any place you have a day that commemorate the day of the white.
      There is the day of the gay. but there isnt of the strait.
      WSo BEING NORMAL NOW A DAYS IS what is strange....
      From being normal to being a strait male or female now its strange to not have at least one experience homosexual.
      And if you say the word black or if you say a gentle word to a woman in the company premisses or if you give a look or any other contact cluwe to your male conterpart that induces him to perceive that is being molested sexually even thoug what you want is just a healthy not forced interaction.
      Oh and when the woman desires and her contact is not received well... then the man is in trouble because she can reverse the situaion and will be almost impossible to prove othersie.
      What we need is someone that have the guts to reverse the situation completely in every field but this is not a work for a single term.

  • Posted By: nvrwaz @ 11/20/2007 1:45:17 PM

    Comment: Why is it this issue always tries to boil down to a woman and her body? First, there would be no child without a man AND a woman. You want a choice, that's it. Second, once a woman is with child, it's not just their body anymore. What terminus do we use to determine the difference between "cells" (which ARE still alive) and a child, which is also alive? 22 weeks? Why not 25 weeks... Or 30 weeks? We could keep going right up until birth. Matter of fact, we used to. Why not after birth: 1 week, 10 weeks, until they hit 18? How do you know you didn't just kill someone, instead of removing unwanted cells? And why is it that most post-abortive women feel effects ranging from massive guilt to post-traumatic stress disorder? That would be their subconcious trying to tell them they messed up. Finally, if there truly is a God - then you were gifted with free will. But, you were also offered a choice: follow certain rules and eventually get your reward, or don't and............don't. If ALL you want in existence is happiness on this earth - you may even get it. But if that is all you pursue - then pray there is no thereafter, because you will deserve nothing after the end of your days...

    • Posted By: LUISGLAWYER @ 11/20/2007 14:58:58

      Comment: Couldnt agree more

  • Posted By: theodore j @ 11/20/2007 12:16:16 PM

    Comment: You are absolutely right...I do live in a glass house and I'm willing to be held accountable when my deeds don't follow my words. I've made mistakes and I will continue to, unfortunately, do so. The difference is that I don't claim sins as rights and I certainly don't hold evil out as virtue. Simply said, God's way is what matters and abortion is murder....always has been and always will be. You may hide behind words in this world but you will never be able to say you didn't know when asked in the next.

  • Posted By: theodore j @ 11/20/2007 12:08:49 PM

    Comment: Are you paying for yourself.....or is somebody else? Who decides if you should continue to live? Fact is people will pay for themselves just like they always have. Why don't we also kill all prisoners if that's your sole criteria....they certainly don't pay for themselves and they actually committed a criminal act. they are not innocent like the unborn.

  • Posted By: katsix @ 11/20/2007 12:04:37 PM

    Comment: For being such a "follower of Jesus Christ", you have yet to be a real Christian. Once you have walked a mile in a woman's shoes, only then can you begin to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body. Christians... always the first to throw a stone, while hiding inside their glass house.

    • Posted By: hoopes_az @ 11/21/2007 10:07:50

      Comment: You honor Christians ("you have yet to be a real Christian", i.e., a real Christian has empathy) and villify Christians all in the same post. To stereotype a group, just as you do with Christians, is the ultimate throw of a stone. Isn't there any other response other than an attack at a group who holds different views? We will likely never agree on the issue of abortion, but it would be nice to have dialog without personal attacks and insults.

    • Posted By: LUISGLAWYER @ 11/20/2007 15:00:49

      Comment: If that is your only criteria to change fields I can remember you that most PRO LIFE are WOMEN

  • Posted By: jfrost52 @ 11/20/2007 11:47:31 AM

    Comment: you wanna pay for em

  • Posted By: theodore j @ 11/20/2007 11:39:58 AM

    Comment: "The stupidity of zealots..." is that what we've come to in the country and in this world. The truth of the matter is that I believe that Jesus is exactly who he said he was....the son of the living God. I wonder if pro-life Democrats who historically held their nose when their party moved to the pro-abortion side of the issue and voted for candidates now regret the decision. I know that as I stand here today, if I vote for a pro-abortion candidate because they are a better choice on economic and security issues, I will regret my choice the minute I realize that we will never have a pro-life candidate or platform again. Had pro-life Democrats abstained from voting for their parties candidates years ago the message would of been heard and the party would have stayed pro-life. Instead, today we find that over 42,000,000 babies are murdered each and every year (2002 data, worldwide) with 1,000,000 murdered in the United States alone. I will not vote for a pro-murder candidate with an R or D behind their name. I will vote with God and in this election that may mean that I won't vote at all.

    • Posted By: kbcjedi @ 11/24/2007 03:04:18

      Comment: You have Ron Paul. Pro-life and Sound money as per the Constitution. The Federal Reserve is the reason we are at war in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as on the verge of economic collapse.

  • Posted By: theodore j @ 11/20/2007 11:29:15 AM

    Comment: The thought that being a religeous zealot hinges on my profound belief that abortion is murder stands as a sad commentary on how far we've come in allowing anyone to do anything. I believe that Jesus Christ is who he said he was....the son of the living God. As a Roman Catholic I find that the church, while not perfect, is a sound moral authority and I take her admonitions seriously. Pro-life Democrats held their collective noses when their party became pro-abortion and voted for flawed candidates who had "the majority of other issues right." Today (2002 statistics) we murder over 42,000,000 babies every year in this world with over 1,000,000 killed in the United States. If we Pro-life voters of the Republican party do likewise, we will find that in the future we will never have a pro-life candidate or platform again. I will choose to not vote rather than help a pro-murder candidate with an R beat a pro-murder candidate with a D. It is God's path that we follow no matter the outcome. I vote with God.

  • Posted By: Takeapause @ 11/20/2007 11:29:08 AM

    Comment: Killing someone based solely on their request to die is neither legally nor morally acceptable. How can one or two persons conspire to kill another - without the victim's consent - and rely on the fact that the victim has no ability to defend himself or herself and claim legal or moral justification?

  • Posted By: JScheid @ 11/20/2007 10:48:12 AM

    Comment: Abortion Should be the choice of the Mother and Father. The Mother is the one to really make the choice for it is her body that the baby is in. As the gay issue goes it is their choice, but when you have Priest taking advantage of young boys and they do not get punished they just get moved around. That sickens me and there is a break down in the Roman Catholic Church and the Judicial system!!! Sorry, but I have no respect for your Roman Catholic Church. They need to fix their problems within before they start to tell or try and control what other people do.

    • Posted By: LUISGLAWYER @ 11/20/2007 13:53:02

      Comment: When you,jscheid,. compare the abortion issue you compare fruits with cars.The situations are not comparable and I will give you just one of many reasons.
      The first reason for the gays to demand to be accepted is that they are legal consentig adults that do KNOWN what they are doing and they just opted for a new kind od sexual aprecciation lets say that way.Well
      The key word here is CONSENTING.
      Womem like to brag and say that the decision is only theirs WRONG.
      Why they may ask I cam make this assertion.
      SIMPLE the body that will be affected are not only yours....
      Sure yours will too.
      BUT THE ONE THAT WILL BE MURDERED IS NOT YOURS.
      How so?
      Simple again...
      The major proof (there are others) that the fetus is another body strange to the mothers body is that was not for the presence of the amminiotic fluid the fetus would be attacked by the immunological response of the immune system.That happens because the fetus is a third one.A strange to the body of the mother.So she can not dispose of another persons life at will.
      she cant be a coward.So long against man that didnt deserved their pants using force against persons that could not defend themselves and now women wants to do the same against persons that cant expressoutside.
      Fetus feel.Fetus tries to defend themselves against a lot of the propaganda that is done misleadinly by the prochoice.
      I would defy you to see some videos that exists about this efforts the fetus do to deffend themselves.
      About priests.
      Its funny that when the case involves priests it goes national.When it involves the mechanic next door probably not.
      It will not get the same if it is a pastor.but a priest.....
      Well sure there are problems in every place.
      M
      There are problems in the marines in the navy in the army in the office in the private compannnies in the ....
      There are people that do not deserve even the air that it breaths.
      They however are not in a simgle field or creed.
      The way you sayd seem to ME that you think that protestants do not have sinners in any forms sorry to be me to spoil your way to see your creed as a pure field but it isnt even today here is what happened " 80-year-old Georgia man slept with brother???s wife, fathered her child".
      As this one there are lot of others with pedofily and on.So what need to lookked is a way to fix the persons including the prejudice you seems to bear.
      Respect WE ALL have to have to ALL when that does not hapen the conflict and intolerance surges.

      • Posted By: nvrwaz @ 11/21/2007 01:20:08

        Comment: You missed one important point: The Catholic Church is VERY high profile, and very large... Therefore - headline worthy... Look around on page 300 of your paper some time (not literally), you will find through searching that: there's a non-catholic church in Georgia who's founder was found to have slept with his brother's wife, fathering a child. For example. Looking at the problem differently, ANY religion is totally imperfect. Period. They are, one and all, run BY HUMANS who are imperfect. Ergo, so are the institutions. It doesn't matter who the boss really is - it could be Allah, Jehova, Budda... They still either have to let us run things, or show up and do it themselves. So far, they haven't shown up.

  • Posted By: CobtheCrazed @ 11/20/2007 10:34:57 AM

    Comment: As a faithful Catholic, I am disturbed that abortion has never erred on the side of caution and studied what I consider to be an evil practice. On the political front though I know that Hillary would be the biggest mistake in general, much less to my ahtred of abortion. I like Rudy and appreciate most of his political positions. because he doesn't have the same thought process as me on abortion, will that make me not vote for him?? Abosolutely not. The stupidity of some zealots out there who say they will never vote for Rudy merely means they are basically casting a vote for Hillary or some other Democrat by not voting. (Or by voting for a person with no chance to win.) We all know the lesser of 2 evils story. Is Rudy perfect? No. Is he perfect for what this country needs right now? I believe so, and I think the majority of other Catholics in this country would agree.

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 11/20/2007 5:26:55 AM

    Comment: None of these candidates will overturn Roe vs. Wade. So what difference does it make. Hopefully abortion and religion are not the deciding factors for this Presidential election. These should be factors in the parties nomination process but not on the national stage/ remember gay marriage was the deciding factor in OHIO in 04. Although it is a polarizing issue states should handle it. To win the Republican nomination you have to secretely reveal that you will lay the foundation for the reversal of Roe vs. Wade. Solutions: Roe vs Wade is so polarizing that it has sparked terrorism in this country, so Has the gay issue. A President must be clear. That gays whether you support them or not have penetrated every race, creed, and gender on this planet. They are Republicans, democrats, congressmen,FBI, CIA, Military, teachers, professors ect.. Therefore, unlike the civil rights movement this issue affect all races. A CANDIDATE SHOULD RESPOND TO THIS ISSUE BY STATING "As President I must do what is in the best interest of America, although my personal view is that gay marriage is a very uncomfortable subject, it is a very devisive issue. The church should not be forced to preform gay marriages. However, a gay church might perform their own marriage. Inotherwords, all Americans have the right to freedom and privacy. If gay people want to woship amongst themselves they have that right. Gays are Americans too and as President we must find solutions for all. Although one might not agree with another person lifestyle, it no reason to promote hatred and violence

  • Posted By: eddiewhere @ 11/20/2007 5:26:34 AM

    Comment: As President I would protect everyone's right s under the constitution. However states must decide what legislation works in their area. You cannot enforce uniform laws. What is good for Texas might not be good for California. Local governments play a big role as well the laws in San Francisco are different than the laws in Tulsa Oklahoma. I personally would feel uncomfortable if two men were kissing infront of my kids however I know that most gays in the community would not act in that manner. Therefore, I would not take my kids to a gay restaurant I would take them into an enviornment that I feel is best for them. If parents want to take their kids to a gay restAURANT THAT IS THERE CHOICE NOT MINE TO MAKE FOR THEM. Concerning abortion; As President one of my first priorities would be to address this issue. I know I cannot overturn Roe vs. Wade so I am going to do what I think God would want me to do and that is to use my influence to reduce the number of abortions. We have to take care of our children so they know right from wrong. Abortion is a very personal and terrible experience to go through and I feel for anyone who has been face with and agonizing decision. They must know that there are people out there that will help them if they wish to decide to have the baby. Abortions can be prevented without changing the law. I have given this issue much thought and realized that changing the law will not stop abortions women will have them regardless. The solution to the problem is to take care of our children offer them options and hope no matter their circumstance that is my duty as President. As mentioned anyone that needs advice on political issues let me know at ftennassee@yahoo.com.

    • Posted By: kbcjedi @ 11/24/2007 03:09:40

      Comment: That's a Ron Paul position. The Federal Supreme court only has jurisdiction over Interstate Commerce issues. Since when was Roe vs Wade an interstate commerce case? The court never should have heard the case, it should have been decided at a State level with a trial by jury. Why do judges make laws anyway, there opinions are just that opinions, they need not be respected or adhered too.

  • Posted By: JScheid @ 11/20/2007 2:59:54 AM

    Comment: Rudy is not a Angel but then again neither are your Roman Catholic Priest. Some of your own Cardinals ( Keeler ) covered up what some of your Pedophile Priest ( Father John G. Allen of Harrisburg ) did by moving them instead of punishing them or defrocked them. what if it was your young son that the Priest sexually Abused?? Sorry, But your religion needs to make some major changes. Google Father John Allen of Harrisburg and look at the results. I do believe in God and Worship God but that is just wrong!!

  • Posted By: Whistlen @ 11/20/2007 2:50:53 AM

    Comment: Abortion is genocide. It is a weapon used mainly against poor minorities. Margeret Sanger, Hitler and other racists like them wanted to use birth control and other forms of euthenasia to wipe out all racial and ethnic minorities. Abortion is racism. Keep having babies! Don't let the majority wipe your peoples out!

  • Posted By: Whistlen @ 11/20/2007 2:50:12 AM

    Comment: Abortion is genocide. It is a weapon used mainly against poor minorities. Margeret Sanger, Hitler and other racists like them wanted to use birth control and other forms of euthenasia to wipe out all racial and ethnic minorities. Abortion is racism. Keep having babies! Don't let the majority wipe your peoples out!

  • Posted By: Whistlen @ 11/20/2007 2:49:35 AM

    Comment: Abortion is genocide. It is a weapon used mainly against poor minorities. Margeret Sanger, Hitler and other racists like them wanted to use birth control and other forms of euthenasia to wipe out all racial and ethnic minorities. Abortion is racism. Keep having babies! Don't let the majority wipe your peoples out!

  • Posted By: JScheid @ 11/20/2007 2:45:40 AM

    Comment: Rudy is not a Angel but then again neither are your Roman Catholic Priest. Some of your own Cardinals ( Keeler ) covered up what some of your Pedophile Priest ( Father John G. Allen of Harrisburg ) did by moving them instead of punishing them or defrocked them. what if it was your young son that the Priest sexually Abused?? Sorry, But your religion needs to make some major changes. Google Father John Allen of Harrisburg and look at the results. I do believe in God and Worship God but that is just wrong!!

  • Posted By: JScheid @ 11/20/2007 2:34:14 AM

    Comment: Rudy is no Angel, But your Roman Catholic Priest are no Angels neither. Pedophiles and everything else.

  • Posted By: uke1979 @ 11/20/2007 1:29:12 AM

    Comment: The Bible does not say that a baby has no soul until it takes its first breath. It says that the first man, Adam "became a living soul" when God breathed into him the breath of life. There are other passages that show how God regards the child in the womb. John the Baptist leaped in the womb at the sound of Mary's voice. God spoke of knowing Jeremiah before he was formed in the womb. And surely you've read the prescription for criminal punishment, "life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." I suggest you go back and read it again, and take note of the verse before which shows these punishments are prescribed with regard to a child in its mother's womb. (Exodus 21:22-25)

  • Posted By: ZIONISTSDID911 @ 11/20/2007 1:23:16 AM

    Comment: SEE LOOSE CHANGE AND TERRORSTORM BOTH FREE ON YOU TUBE TO KNOW WHO OUR REAL ENEMY FROM 911 IS. WAS NEVER A GANG FROM A CAVE. THE WORLD KNOWS KRISTOL WHAT YOU AND ZOMBIE SHARON GANG HAVE DONE.

  • Posted By: ZIONISTSDID911 @ 11/20/2007 1:20:05 AM

    Comment: GOULIANI THE PHONEY HERO AND ZIONIST STOOGE WHO ONLY SAVED HIMSELF
    TO MAKE MILLIONS ON HIS FAME
    AT THE COST OF 3000 OF OUR HONORED DEAD FROM 911.

  • Posted By: ZIONISTSDID911 @ 11/20/2007 1:17:44 AM

    Comment: RUDYS A PHONEY HERO WHO ONLY SAVED HIMSELF
    TO MAKE MILS. ON HIS FAME AT THE COST
    OF 3000 LIVES ON 911.

  • Posted By: The Skittles Kid @ 11/19/2007 11:29:41 PM

    Comment: Also, the Bible says that the soul does not enter the body untill a baby draws his or her first breath. Do pray tell, how do you murder someone without a soul? Also, abortion was widely practiced all around where Jesus lived and taught as a form of birth control. Yet nowhere in the Bible is there ANY mention of abortion at all. Don't you think if God or Jesus would have had a problem with abortion, they would have SPECIFICALLY addressed this issue in the Bible since it was such a widespread practice? Christians widely practiced abortion for many centuries untill one of the popes (a man, does that surprise you?) got a bee in his bonnet about it and outlawed it. The Catholic church has a long, long history of corrupt popes. Personally, I don't think much of the current one and his traditional Prada pope slippers with real gold embroidery thread that cost thousands upon thousands of dollars. And then he goes around brainwashing poor, 3rd World people that they can't use birth control, be sterilized, or have an abortion so they have to have baby after baby after baby only to watch all of them starve to death. Would Jesus do this? There are approx. 7 billion people and 1/3 of them are starving to death. This anti-abortion nonsense is just more discrimination against the most discrimnated against minority throughout most all of history, women. Like John Lennon said, "Woman is the n^%%#@ of the world. Think about it. Do something about it." I say, let's get a woman in there that will have women's best interests at heart. Don't you wist for the good old Clinton days when gas was about 80 cents a gallon, we had peace and prosperity, the whole world loved us, and we were having a science, technology, art, and music explosion? That's because we kept our money at home in the people's pockets who needed it. Elect Hillary Clinton folks because That's Why the Lady is a Champ!

    • Posted By: kbcjedi @ 11/24/2007 03:14:28

      Comment: Your position is ridiculous. Abortion is murder plain and simple. I have never seen a woman who has not been severely scarred by Abortion, even so called feminists. They like to rationalize but you can see the pain in their eyes. It goes against a woman's biological instinct to kill their own child.

    • Posted By: LUISGLAWYER @ 11/20/2007 15:23:46

      Comment: The abortion issue is a lot like the drug issue and all other crimes issue.
      Many say look is better to decriminalize drugs so the crime go down and we can get more taxes;
      Yeah.
      The crime will go down for sure in the same proportion that a conduct that was a crime now is not a crime so if it was 30 percent of the index it will leave the impression that crime will be down 30 percent but will just move to other matters.
      besides that will increase much more the expenses in heath and so much more consequences....
      The same if the corruption is permitted or in the case of abortion.
      Besides why do I have to pay for your pleasure?
      Yes because abortion is for pleasure.
      Why dont teach to respect the female body to the point where they can have responsability?
      One have to have responsability to have sex.... sex is not to be done without responsability.
      I think that before you make certain assumptions and believe certain affirmatives you should learn about all the aspects.
      Your comment express you prejudice about men.
      Sometimes its good to see all the points of view.In this case I dont think is one that put men in one side and women in another on the contrary.
      I think MEN AND WOMEN SHOULD BE IN THE SAME SIDE THE SIDE OF LIFE.

  • Posted By: The Skittles Kid @ 11/19/2007 11:12:27 PM

    Comment: I find this whole article appalling. Not because of Rudy, but because of the "Big Brothers" (a reference to George Orwell's novel 1984, check it out), um I mean the Catholic officials. First of all, I thought we had seperation of church and state. What about the first ammendment? You know, freedom of speech, religion, and the press. This also includes freedom FROM religion. In other words, Americans are guaranteed by the First Ammendment that they cannot be forced by the government to have to live by religious values that they do not agree with. Let's face it folks, abortion is a religious issue, not a political one. If you don't believe me, look who's trying to outlaw it, the Religious Wrong, um I mean Right. It is a mysogynistic agenda. These Pro-Lifers just cannot stand to have women in this country, or any other country for that matter, be able to enjoy their sexuality without having to go through unwanted pregnancy after unwanted pregnancy as punishment.

    • Posted By: kbcjedi @ 11/24/2007 03:17:29

      Comment: Who legalized, Abortion five white guys on the supreme court who did not even have the jurisdiction to hear the case. It seems like we are getting the state shoved down our throat not religion.

    • Posted By: ittechcon@gmail.com @ 11/19/2007 23:31:17

      Comment: I totally agree that the church needs to stay out of politics. Look what happened at the last two elections, we ended up with The Decider, who has decided to destroy this country. But I can't help but wonder why women need to enjoy their sexuality without having to go through unwanted pregnancy. Have they not heard of birth control without murder? Or is it Thou shall not kill, but if you forgot the condum, its ok?

      • Posted By: LUISGLAWYER @ 11/20/2007 15:26:06

        Comment: I agrree with you ittechon they have condoms pills etc why do they need to MURDER A PERSON SINCE they ARE NOT GOD?

    • Posted By: ittechcon@gmail.com @ 11/19/2007 23:23:32

      Comment: I totally agree that the church needs to butt out of politics. But as a women that had an unexpected pregnancy, abortion was not an option. There is NO "but" in the 10 Commandments". Thou shall not kill, unless you forgot your protection.

  • Posted By: The Skittles Kid @ 11/19/2007 11:08:33 PM

    Comment: I find this whole article appalling. Not because of Rudy, but because of the "Big Brothers" (a reference to George Orwell's novel 1984, check it out), um I mean the Catholic officials. First of all, I thought we had seperation of church and state. What about the first ammendment? You know, freedom of speech, religion, and the press. This also includes freedom FROM religion. In other words, Americans are guaranteed by the First Ammendment that they cannot be forced by the government to have to live by religious values that they do not agree with. Let's face it folks, abortion is a religious issue, not a political one. If you don't believe me, look who's trying to outlaw it, the Religious Wrong, um I mean Right. It is a mysogynistic agenda. These Pro-Lifers just cannot stand to have women in this country, or any other country for that matter, be able to enjoy their sexuality without having to go through unwanted pregnancy after unwanted pregnancy as punishment.

  • Posted By: sundrips @ 11/19/2007 10:34:00 PM

    Comment: Who's on trial here? Let the church free of sin, throw the first rock.

    • Posted By: LUISGLAWYER @ 11/20/2007 15:27:39

      Comment: As in the case of the adulter every one is going back

  • Posted By: jm2835 @ 11/19/2007 3:39:47 PM

    Comment: I do not understand anyone wanting Hillary to divorce Bill. It surely does not show lack of respect for herself. It shows she has the capacity to forgive and to stand by her commitment to him. It is well known that marriages become stronger when the participants weather trying circumstances. That is one thing wrong with this country. No one perseveres and stands firm when things get rough. I say Hillary has the right stuff.

    • Posted By: bonas50 @ 11/19/2007 18:02:01

      Comment: Do you really think she did not divorce him because she has the capacity to forgive ? He and she, concocted this 3rd term long before his first run for the Presidency. She was stuck for the long haul because she wanted to run for President. And she figures she needs him to make it. From what I see, he is doing her more harm than good. He had better hope that some young chic doesn't walk in from of him wiggling her attributes, or he will be under the nearest desk with her, Hillary or not.

  • Posted By: davidxzebra@yahoo.com @ 11/19/2007 2:12:29 PM

    Comment: Funny how churches emphasize one or two aspects of whether a presidential candidate is with God. Bush can use his fear machine ???war on terror??? as an excuse to kill 100,000+ innocent Iraq people, and the church doesn???t say it is wrong. Should a cop shoot a group of mean people on a street corner because they might buy guns and come after him someday? I would think not. God would certainly not approve.

    Republicans can reduce funding to aid the growing poor population and alienate our relations with most other countries but the church doesn???t say it is wrong. Bush can use his fake philosophy of reducing government spending, by spending less on anything that directly helps people while at the same time spending more on areas more important to republicans, and the church never complains. The church is more concerned with whether two people that get married are of a different sex. Churches seem to have their priorities mixed up. The church seems to support killing innocent adults but protecting the unborn. I believe Saddam Hussein was against gay marriage and was pro life. If he were alive and ran for president would the church back him?

    People that go to church need to begin a relationship with God. The church can???t tell us who to vote for, or what is wright or wrong. God does. But I guess history always repeats itself, in the old and new testament it seems most religious leaders were corrupt. They were more concerned about laws being broken than they were about God. And when God needed to work with someone on earth, most of the time it was never the leaders of the church.

    I???m not against the church. Only churches that don???t seem to follow what God wants.

    Wake up and God bless.

  • Posted By: JLDHaffner @ 11/19/2007 1:00:53 PM

    Comment: I am Catholic, and this is the way I look at it. I won't vote for someone who is willing to deny someone all of her rights just so someone else doesn???t have to have the "inconvenience" of allowing her to live. That???s what abortion does. It takes away all of the aborted person???s rights, including the right to live.

  • Posted By: DonFitz @ 11/19/2007 12:15:16 PM

    Comment: Giuliani's staff should get off the 9/11 strategy and begin emphasizing his 8 yeats as a district attorney in NY where he indicted and put in jail numerous members of organized crime. He gained valuable experience working in the Reagan administration in Washington. He reduced crime in NY and brought Broadway back to what it is today. I'm not happy with his stance on abortion but I can't abide his acceptance of gay marriage. The staff should emphasize his book, LEADERSHIP.

  • Posted By: Anniep @ 11/19/2007 12:06:55 PM

    Comment: As an Atheist woman, with a firm belief that women should be in charge of their own bodies, I cringe at the idea that Rudy Gulliani should be in any position to tell me what to do in any sphere of my life. He is an opportunistic, fast talking, history re-inventing archetypal politician and lawyer. He brings to mind the ad featuring Tricky Dicky - would you buy a used car from this man? My answer is a resounding 'NO'!

  • Posted By: joardite @ 11/19/2007 11:10:41 AM

    Comment: He is married 3 times and for that alone he could not get Communion. His views are the least of what he is guilty of. And like Bush we are getting tired of 9/11 and terrorism being the majority of their campaigning, what about the economy, the illegal immigrants getting more than the US citizens, about big business taking advantage of its workers, of being taxed to death to pay for the corruption in state/city and federal government. And why are you people worried about abortion being the only impportant moral thing, Washington is as sinful as Hollywood.

  • Posted By: bonas50 @ 11/19/2007 11:08:58 AM

    Comment: How many time does this have to be answere. We Traditionalist Catholics have no problem. No one of us will vote for Giuliani, period. There is no squeeze play, and we will not be intimidated by saying, well if you don't vote for him, you will get Clinton. Well guess what, most will not vote at all.... Go ahead, jump out of your seats, and scream how silly we are..... Let me tell you, Rudi is no Catholic and I wish he would stop calling himself one. He is excommunicated . Any Catholic who expouses Abortion is excommunicated. Anyone who Marries his second cousin as Rudi did without a dispensation, as advised by a priest friend, who was later de-frocked because of pedophilia, and then uses this ploy to get out of the marriage and remarries is excommunicated. Now Rudy , did this little act 3 times, and married a divorcee and between them they have 6 kids. Do you still think he's Catholic ? Just now, a few Bishops are getting around to standing up for the Faith . Well most of us have already done so, and have called Rudi for just what he is, an exdommunicated Catholic. And if all this wasn't enough, how about his political career ? How about all the myths surrounding his great running cry. 9-11 ? Well for starters most of the rescue workers and responders are up to their ears with his lies...... When he answers accusations that the city failed to adequately to protect their health in the wreckage, he boasted that he faced comparable risks himself. In one appearance he declared that he had been in the ruins " as often as if not more " than the cleanup workers who logged hundreds of hours in the smoldering mess. And also said that his long hours put him susceptible to every health consequence that people have sufferd.... Well how much tim edid he spend at Ground Zero? As best as can be revised after the events from Sept.17 to Dec 16 , 2001, Shows he was there for a total of 29 hours in those 3 months. Often for short periods or to visit locations adjacent to the rubble. In that same period , many rescue and recovery workers put in daily 12 hour shifts......... Many workers logged in 30 hours in the first 2 days after the attacks, and most averaged 400 hours at ground Zero and in the debris pile at the Staten Island landfill. all these details seem most important to Giuliani as he seeks to win the candidacy. It has become the pillar of his case to become President, and he has been reminding we voters ad nauseum in his debates and speeches. About those 29 hours.... They involved 41 appearances, mostly to give tours to other officials and dignataries . And many entries involving his accounting of his service to ground Zero, include meetings away from the site before the tour, as in the instance where his has logged that on Nov 15 , 2001 when he was reported to have took Vladimir Putin on a tour for 30 minutes that actually lasted 13 minutes.
    .. ....

  • Posted By: mreed213 @ 11/18/2007 11:23:19 PM

    Comment: It's interesting that Wiccan Woman doesn't support Hilary because she was cheated on and stayed with her husband.I've made fun of her myself over that due to her comments on 60 minutes about not being some little woman who would stay home and bake cookies and stand by her man before Bill was elected.
    However, Rudy cheated on his first two wives and broke up his children's home. His first wife was also his cousin, I guess that relly shows his "family values."

  • Posted By: BruceGo @ 11/18/2007 3:53:30 PM

    Comment: Bishops should be more concerned with pedophile priests than people who exercise their right of free speech. Though we have no specific law against the rack, the Inquisition is over,
    The hypocrites who head the Catholic Church (a church composed of mostly good people) don't understand that they cant legistlate their morality on Amerca. .They cant or don't try hard enough to legistlate their morality on their own priests.
    Recently a Chicago bishop or cardinal ignored repeated warnings about a pedophile priest He was previously convicted but continued his dirty work wrecking children's lives,
    Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) urged Catholic officials to force him to move into monitored secure treatment setting. The Group also urged parents whose kids attend Jesuit schools to be vigilant
    At a sidewalk news conference in August, clergy sex abuse victims harshly criticized and prodded Catholic officials to put the convicted abusive priest in a remote, secure facility
    SNAP also urgesd current and former staff and students at Chicago area Jesuit schools to help reach out to others who may have been molested, and prodded parents of current students to remain vigilant and push school adminstrators to report suspected abuse promptly to police. Do we really have to push the Church to behave while that same Church throws stones at consenting adults
    Parents protested in August outside St. Ignatius high school, 1076 West Roosevelt Road, near downtown Chicago' After many months of delay, the church hierarchy was forced ro act. They had been apparently too busy chasing witches and devils like Guliani.

  • Posted By: wikkanwoman68 @ 11/18/2007 3:47:40 PM

    Comment: They're so worried about having someone that knows what their views are, than having someone like Hillary Clinton, someone that has no self respect for staying with Bill, who not only cheated on her, but lied to her, and the entire world about it! And I suppose everyone has forgotten about Rudy during 9/11, a man that did his absolute best in the midst of utter chaos! Rudy, you have my vote!

    • Posted By: ZIONISTSDID911 @ 11/20/2007 01:27:26

      Comment: YOUR VOTE WILL SEND US ALL TO HELL HES A ROTTEN TRAITOR .

      • Posted By: dinsy @ 11/20/2007 17:27:12

        Comment: People listen, Rudy and Hillary have the same boss. Wake up.

  • Posted By: wikkanwoman68 @ 11/18/2007 3:45:41 PM

    Comment: They're so worried about abortion issues, when there are far more issues at hand to worry about. Let's take Hillary Clinton. She has no self respect for staying with Bill, a man that not only cheated on her several times, but lied about it, not only to her, but the world! I don't want a person with no self respect as the leader of this country! I'd rather have someone that knows their own mind, and stands up for what they believe is right!

    • Posted By: davidxzebra@yahoo.com @ 11/19/2007 14:16:24

      Comment: You seem to forget what God values. Someone who can forgive will always be a better person than someone who can not forgive. That makes Hillary a powerful woman.

  • Posted By: sundrips @ 11/18/2007 1:32:02 PM

    Comment: Our fore fathers clearly had a wonderful understanding of the many so-called religions when they drafted out articles of existence as a nation. It wonderful how they managed to hammer out the great document necessary to exist and become the world power that is now in disarray. Has any one noticed our current problems seem to have eroded to its current level about the time religion began to creep into our democracy such as adding the word ???God??? to our pledge of allegiance? Oh sure, a few of us has the upper hand in knowing they are very proper and right because its their God being reference here, and to hell with the other 500 ???God??? presently recognized in our nation.

    Let us not forget the KKK still exist as does the bigotry and hate offered up in many religions of today. Does it go unnoticed that each religion models their fundamentals to aline closely to their rivals for the simple reason that should a competing religion become popular as the current religion of convenience none want to be very far behind. Indeed each of us will die in time and we should not fear the unknown when this approaches for its merely an extension of the same time each human had for the trillions of years before they were conceived here on earth.

  • Posted By: okie3 @ 11/18/2007 10:34:21 AM

    Comment: I can only hope the Catholic church does not endorse this (insert whatever that drill sergant called the recruit in 'Full Metal Jacket') dirtbag. If that moron Pat Robertson and the Catholic church get on the same page, Christainity is in deep dodo. It will only enforce my belief that when God created man, that was his first and only mistake.

  • Posted By: droopydrawers @ 11/18/2007 3:06:18 AM

    Comment: Not all Catholics follow the leader. seriously, some vote their conscious. Pope Paul told GeorgeJr. not to invade iraq, Why does Giuliani side with the iraq Invasion. This Pope is no different.

  • Posted By: droopydrawers @ 11/18/2007 2:58:41 AM

    Comment: Some Catholics vote their conscience, not what some high official tries to dictate. If the church is smart it will adhere to the comon sense of ,the rule of Church and state.

  • Posted By: gkintx @ 11/18/2007 12:07:51 AM

    Comment: Ghouliani's a disgusting sleazy, greasy mobster-loving, cross-dressing crook. He married his cousin (then got it annulled), lied about his actions after 9/11, and his family hates him.

    • Posted By: droopydrawers @ 11/18/2007 03:15:00

      Comment: That has nothing to do with his false ego trip. The man definantly has a grandure block of some sort.He talks and says nothing. Like he's got a left over handed down speech from GeorgeJr.

  • Posted By: timber @ 11/17/2007 11:42:05 PM

    Comment: Majority of Catholics voted for Democrats in 2006 election.
    Catholics and Democrats are more closely aligned for their emphasis on social justice.
    Read Matthew 25:31-46
    The Sheep and the Goats
    31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
    34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

    37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

    40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

    41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

    44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

    45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

    46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."



  • Posted By: Elizabeth43 @ 11/17/2007 11:11:42 PM

    Comment: Why doesn't anyone talk about Chris Dodd, the pro-life democrat, who has all the bells and whistles to be a great president, but not much money?

    • Posted By: droopydrawers @ 11/18/2007 03:22:10

      Comment: Citizen, be a friend first to those who are in such a hellish state of mind. Crxiifying a mentally sick person takes dialog. If you're such a great person, than you will be able to convience your sister or brother. Other than that, we must let the maker have a part in the circumstance.

      • Posted By: bonas50 @ 11/19/2007 18:05:30

        Comment: Elizabeth 43.... Probably