Iran's latest book-banning tells us the regime may not know the difference between fact and fiction. Does it care?
Comment: Posted By: rob from oakland @ 11/23/2007 9:31:55 PM
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Comment: Iranazad: When on this message board, please try to speak English. It is very difficult for us to translate your comments.
Comment: Yes, it is obviously Israel's fault. It must be considering Israel's size (smaller than the state of New Jersey) and it's population (smaller than New York City). Can you blame those Iranians for the way that the act? Israel has atacked Iran many times (as of last count, zero) and has used their oil resources (approximately zero reserves) to ruin Iran's economy. And let's not forget Israel's dictatorial regime (approximately 30 different political parties ranging from far-right to far-left with a number of centrist-leaning groups) where freedom of religion is actuially tolerated. Yes, those Iranians have a lot to be angry about, and it is obvious that Israel is to blame.
Comment: Yes, it is obviously Israel's fault. It must be considering Israel's size (smaller than the state of New Jersey) and it's population (smaller than New York City). Can you blame those Iranians for the way that the act? Israel has atacked Iran many times (as of last count, zero) and has used their oil resources (approximately zero reserves) to ruin Iran's economy. And let's not forget Israel's dictatorial regime (approximately 30 different political parties ranging from far-right to far-left with a number of centrist-leaning groups) where freedom of religion is actuially tolerated. Yes, those Iranians have a lot to be angry about, and it is obvious that Israel is to blame.
Comment: Anyone who doesn't want to bomb Iran to death is unpatriotic and dosen't support our troops!
Comment: When it comes to magical realism, the Iranians have nothing on the Americans. The reasoning for invading Iraq clearly show the US administration is living on another planet altogether. Iran is one of the most stable countries in the middle East today. The people want to get on with their lives. Ironically, the US threat is the only mandate the current Iranian leadersip has among their people. When that threat is removed people will find themselves a more moderate leaderhip in short order.
Comment: Can you blame Iran for what is happening in their country and with the US? When you say that Iran must obey international law given by the Security Counsel, yet when the same security counsel want to have Israel dealth with different resolutions including the possible nuclear weapons, the US always seems to block this. No wonder Iran has decided to take matters into their own hands scattering their nuclear facilities and keeping many of them underground. Why should they open up their locations when the Israelis refuse any inspections of their sites and have kept their secret weapons off limits to inspections? I can see the Iranians feel that nuclear power peaceful or not is their only trump card against being bullied by any other western power. Notice how nervous US is about Pakistan with its nuclear weapons in a state that is severely threatened by Islamists and the US had the audacity to offer the Pakistanis ways to make their nuclear weapons safer and secure but the Pakistanis declined and not only that refused to reveal where there weapons are located or stored. Can you blame them? And this country had some 50 plus warheads. Not only that, this country has NO oil and is considered VITAL to battle the Taliban in Afganistan and yet there is only lukewarm effort to battle the same enemy that the US feels is responsible for the problems in Afganistan. Unfortunately, we are paying the piper for our bunbling efforts to isolate Iran and not trying to positively make overtures to their leadership years ago. I am afraid that all the threats being made to Iran takes us off the real problems of the Middle East where significant unrest in Iraq and Afganistan are very major problems and the Iranian problem of going nuclear is minor.
Comment: Bush, under some clever pretext or incident, will bomb the nutballs running Iran when Putin steps down from power in Russia early next year. If it looks like Bush is dragging his feet over what must be done, then Israel will force the issue by no later than September of next year. This problem that Jimmy Carter gave us back when the shah was ill will end once and for all before the next U.S. president is sworn in by Jan. of 2009
Comment: nawawimohamad @ 11/21/2007 3:01:52 AM
Comment: Come on Isekhar... why are you so blind by mentioning
Nawawi as I can read and understand your name, look if some one who is blind is you I am Iranian ,30 year our oil money going in to Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine" and Irainan have nothing even to eat this days.where are you come from Lebanon,Syria,Palestine? we have 1000,s of like you in Iran. one day Iran will be free and we as Irainan put all killer Mulla with Iraqs, Lebanons ,Syrians, and Palestinens Mulla friend in the WC and flashed out
Comment: To Iranazad, you think you can be free? Only as puppets, that's what happened to most of the countries in the world now. Those that have nothing to eat in Iran as you mentioned,are by their own choice. Like drug addicts- nobody forced them to use drug. If really Iranian oil money is being given to those you mentioned, then why are those countries still at the mercy of others? Or you want Iran to again be under another Shah's regime. I think you have lost your Iranian roots and living somewhere else in a very comfortable place with all the luxury. Therefore now you dislike everything pertaining to Iran under the current leadership. Come on... maintain a strong and stable government, and at the same time develop the economy. Iran should not be engrossed in too much politics. If Iran have political turmoil ( this what the others want), then it will forever be unstable and the people will remain poor and the country will be at the mercy of others no matter how free or independent it may seemed.
Comment: I truly have no idea whatsoever what this author is supporting and/or really trying to say in this article. Could somebody please enlighten me...? Perhaps it is because I didn't read the previous article that he wrote or that I'm just stupid, either way we need some clarity and this type of journalism is not providing any kind of outlet for understanding.
Comment: Mr DIckey writes that the mullahs do not really control the man on the street with the iron hand we percieve. He is right. A book the mullahs didn't like got banned and within hours made the street anyhow. News gets through. The people want a future where the US doesn't threaten them, and they have some self-determination. They elect Ahmenijad's in response to living under threat. Their intransigence is precisely about sovereignity. If we back off, they back off. We have to move first, after all, in 53 we took out their government and installed the Shah. We are paying for Cold War calculus long after that era has been gone. The journalism is first person observation of cultural facts. It provides indicators of support for the regime, the gut of the man on the street, their hopes and dreams, etc.
I do not care if Iran uses nuclear power, and actually hoped the Russians would run the fuel cycle and build it out for them. They need modernization and trade for their people as much as anywhere else. They need access to markets. This is especially true in humanitarian terms. They need medicines and other things from the west. Not all embargoes are right or fair. They have tons of oil but have to import finished products, as they refine very little. They need a non-belligerent neighborhood in which to live. They lost a generation in the war with Saddam. We had a hand in that too, and killed an Airliner full of their people in the 80's, I believe. (USS Vincennes)
Behind all of those structural problems, theocratic rule, etc... they still crave information and western books, etc. They are a brilliant people actually. The policy of the United States is what needs review. How do I get Iran to the peaceful atom, and not have a paranoid Israel hammer them. I believe Iran was helping us a lot until the Axis of Evil speech, and since then it has been on like donkey-kong. Hanging evil on someone evokes bad tidings. The Iranian/Persian guy on the street is not evil. He wants to read a good book.
Comment: American taxpayers unconditiional support for Israel is based on "Cast a Giant Shadow," "Exodus," a conviction that Jerusalem must be in Israeli hands for the Rapture to transpire, and a media with a quite friendly Israeli storyline. As you can see, Americans demand rationality, both of themselves, and their leaders.
Comment: It's not just Israel, but sheesh, I can not count our treaty obligations, in almost every time zone, and now shopping for an offshore command location for a new Command, in Africa. I served on Okinawa, in Germany and Korea... Somalia, we go where the Civilian leadership sent us. As far as the unflagging support of anyone, if they have a ratified treaty in their hand, we die for them. There are people who believe in the Rapture stuff, after all, America was founded by most European Countries heretics and outcasts, my family included. Complete religious freedom makes for an interesting electorate. A lack of religious freedom seems to control the electorate. My Generalizations... Me, I swore an oath to obey the lawful orders of the officers appointed over me. I just want our clean hands image back, and become again that shining city upon a hill... etc. While this war may have provided Israel with huge strategic depth and weakened regional threats against them, I do not believethat was the reason, as much as Oil. We should have let the inspection process work. Our President I also believe in my heart wanted Saddam dead for the plot in Kuwait to kill his father, a Former President. I can not get in his mind to weigh his decisions.
Comment: A nuclear Iran may bring stability and peace to the world. Israel has rejected every peace initiative and even killed Isaac Robin in order to carry on the apartheid of the Palestinians. With American taxpayers money Israel is building settlements on illegal land and with the lives of American Marines Israel is fighting wars on several grounds. Israel has no rival and wants no peace. A powerful Iran would encourage Israel to settle for peace and America will no longer need to carry on wars for Israel. The people of Iran will kick Islam out of Iran once there is no threat from outside.
Comment: Come on Isekhar... why are you so blind by mentioning that quote "The country of Iran is single handedly destabilising the Middle East right now, by meddling in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine" it is the US who is destablizing the region and the world world! Is Iran invading any of its neighbours? It is the US who invaded so many countries and meddling with everything in this world! So wake up and open your eyes.
Comment: SInglehandedly, no. But Iran is a serious actor in their own backyard, and does use proxies like HAMAS and Nizboallah. They do not need to invade where they can freely enter and leave. Since we stuck ourselves in a rat trap right against their border, Invasion or attack using traditional means isn't necessary. They are behind several hundred attacks against United States Forces. A state of war has existed since the Carter Administration. They have promised to flatten Israel, or the Zionist-Entity... So there is some activity on their part that is unfriendly. The United States Navy has carriers right up against their territorial waters. This sabre rattling keeps oil artificially high. It plays into the hands of leadership on both sides.
Comment: The country of Iran is single handedly destabilising the Middle East right now, by meddling in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine. It does not matter issome educated pepole in Iran are rational and even pro American, the majority of the pospulation which supports the Mullahs is either uneducated or uanble to think rationally. how should one deal with iran? The example of the Soviet Union should be kept in mind. For decades, the communists in power were most irrational, and ruthless, but eventually , it cllapsed, because of the steady opposition by a combined front of countries, and most importantly, the USA.
So, we can accept that Iran will become a nuclear power, and threaten to destroy Isreal or any other country which stands in its way, or try to build a consensus of nations which will block its path
Comment: The Soviets were Very rational. Otherwise we wouldn't be here right now. None of us, anywhere. Deal with Iran who is messing around in their backyard? Why? They won't be able to shoot us with it. Where is my treaty that made the United States the Protectorate of Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, etc.
Oil. Reduce 3 barrels in 5 by any means now like an Apollo Project. Leadership. Thinking ahead of the problem. Get off that regions output, and off their soil. Let them have it. Stop deploying in support of Halliburton.
The Soviets dissolved not out of some evil, but economics. They were equal in poverty. Gorbachev gave the reins to Yeltsin and logically extended perestroika and Glasnost, after counterrevolutionaries grabbed him at his Dacha friend. They were quite rational, just running a failed model. Kinda like going 9 trillion in the hole over Oil we can easily do without. Let Iran no longer have us as their problem and leave them alone. It is amazing what happens to dictators whose people no longer accept the subjugation. Ask the Romanains what they did with Nikki and his Wife. They died hard brother.
I see the only inertia propping up their regime is our being a convenient excuse.
God Bless ya.
Comment: Everything is a win for Iran, there is no downside for the leadership on this path. We react to the bait. Oil prices spike further, weakening us and strengthening our foes. The other day they said it is going to be at least two years due to centrifuge troubles before they can produce bomb #1. We can't hit McInerney's 2500 aimpoints with certain validity that we will stop this wisely dispersed program. Even if they just make fuel rods, no one is going to flatly trust a regime we have been messing with since the 50's. Kicking Rossatom to the curb was the killer move for me, as far as I was concerned, as long as the Russians managed the fuel cycle or such, why care. Since I have to care, why not get off oil as quickly as possible?
No, I believe the Bushies jack up the tension because they are flush with petro-connections and Ahmenijad's nation is hardly hurt by 100 buck a barrel oil. I think then that the dumb move is to care. The smart move is to change our energy model. We have a free press here. They do not. Yet information gets around. Tell them we're sorry about the Shah, it was never worth this. Tell them we don't want to Cheney up the world. Let the Iranian people then decide what is threat, what is point of honor, and what is worth such destruction? They aren't nuts. They are gaming us. The Persians have been smart like that for a few thousand years. They have the Southern 3rd of Iraq to themselves, and Al Maliki covering them. Seems Bush has us right where Iran wants us from the IED reports.
I don't care how they make their electricity. I figure if they want to start a Gulf Weapons race, we sell the best defense stuff. Then we close that economic loop again, and return dollar flow home. The Saudis aren't in love with an Iranian bomb. I doubt any of the Emirs, Princes or any other autocrat in the region is. They'll shop for an answer.
The Mullahs used our threats to legitimize their rule. You need a solid external devil with those kind of internal problems. Let them declare anything they want and have as they wish. Sooner or later, their people like ours here will assume the flaws to be in how we are being lead, and make changes. Let them have their Revolution enter another phase, but of their own making. Those seem to last. Running around with a Bible and a Gun only agitates a broken system.
Of course, Bush will likely shove missiles right up into Russia and lose any chance we had to broker some smart way out. These clowns are all Mach and no apparent heading. Well, except bigger profits for Big Oil.
Comment: Overall, I agree with the majority of Brae's opinions. However, if Iran becomes a threat to world peace the situation will be resolved quickly. As far as Chavez goes; he is simply another banana "republic" wannabe. Has anyone thought about opening the oil fields in Alaska (temporarily) until we accomplish alternative fuels? By the way, I am not a Bush supporter.
Comment: Isn't it interesting that your portrayal of this matter probably strikes most readers as ridiculous? Those whose ideologies construct their reality will take offense at the insane idea that the U.S. foreign policy isn't motivated by noble causes, and that we don't field the wisest of political leaders. The rest of us marvel at your willingness to try and convey the blatantly obvious to those who simply refuse to see it.
Comment: what are your thoughts on my last reply?
Comment: The simple truth is that an Iranian nuclear threat will be resolved by the U.S. and/or other countries. I am not so naive as to believe that U.S. foreign policy is "noble". I think your "Ivory Tower" philosophy is ridiculous. Get Real!!!
Comment: An interesting question.
Another interesting question how rational is America?:
Comment: An interesting question.
Another interesting question : how rational is AMERICA?
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