Can't she get her property taxes reassessed? $500 a month seems very high.
Can't she get her property taxes reassessed? $500 a month seems very high.
Can she see if the city can do a reassessment of her property taxes? $500 per month seems very high.
Caveat Emptor.
All of the problems that have arisen for the borrower in this scenario are natural byproducts of risk. By making an investment (purchase of the home), the borrower takes on risk. This isn't even econ 101, but a basic and fundamental truth any money-handling member of society should consider.
As for a lack of help from a bank, why is it their problem. Let's not forget that they took on risk by providing the loan in the first place. The basic structure of a mortgage is outlined in great detail in the loan documents. I would bet dollars to donuts that the documents don't contain any language about the lender being "willing to take a deed in lieu" or to accept lower payments to accomodate a sob story. A mortgage is a business agreement, and while a borrower might hope to get a break from their lender, they are in no way (read: NO WAY) entitled to it. The banks are losing money on these loans, money that was meant to go somewhere else, like their employees' 401Ks, medical benefits for their employees or, most importantly, to their shareholders or investors. Let's look at this scenario from the other side, as a shareholder of a bank involved in sub-prime lending, I entered into a business agreement with the bank when I invested. When I did so, I was hoping to make a certain return on my investment. This return will now be significantly lower than I had hoped. Should I be bailed out? I'm sure the vast majority of responses would be "no". However, I took on risk, just like the purchaser of the condo in this article. Why is my situation different?
Back up your statement "Banks are losing money". Lending companies are making a fortune. Why else would they be in the business?
You can't be serious. Pick up a newspaper and look at the recent write downs of any of the big 5 banks. Then look at the huge amount of residential mortgage providers that have gone bankrupt in the past 6 months. Then look at the amount of wall street layoffs and from which sector they have come: mortgages.
Please let more foreclosures happen. I feel the need to make more money. I can smell the bottom. In a couple years we'll all be flipping again. Can't wait!
How do you sleep at night making money off of peoples misfortunes?
I see your a "Win - Lose" personality. I prefer a "Win - Win" World.
I mean both discuss and disgusted with (the American Way). Too old and too wise to debate.
Not theories, just observation's.
She should have taken a second job to get her thru, while looking for a new job in hew salary range. Or taken on a roommate. Was she not paying attention while going thru the closing documents with her loan officer? Every house I have bouth, it is clearly spelled out who is paying for the property taxes and insurance. My first loan had it included, my second and third did not, but I was told.
correction, every house I have bought
She was sleeping through that part of the class.
Should we assume you meant "disgusted with the american way"? Expound on your theory a little bit, as it's completely non-sensical at present.
How often does America have to go through these periods of financial woes? Hundreds of years later and not much has changed. HISTORY REPEATS IT SELF (YET AGAIN).
The "SYSTEM - DOES NOT WORK". (unless America is standing strong in the world). Which we never are during war times. Divded - we fall. I'm done.
archangel333, so what? This is america, and so long as everyone is following the rules (shame on those guilty of predatory lending tactics), why should the banks make an effort to "turn off the interest machines"? I'd like to point out that the "interest machine" as you so euphamistically refer to the the interest rates due under the loan agreement were turned on when the borrower accepted money. No one held a gun to anyone's head, they simply gave them money in return for certain requirements. It's the borrower that didn't live up to their end of the bargain, here. I cannot dispute that unsavory individuals exist and openly look for ways to exploit the under educated. Given the facts stated in this article, this certainly could have been the case. However, it is ultimately the end consumer's responsibility to understand and price that possibility.
The borrower obviously got the loan when their finances were good and stable. They had a job. Who gets let go first when a company cut's back? Not management or owners, do they? Get real.
Advising Hyacinth O'Meally would be easy: she should do what most well healed investors do when they have become entrapped as a general partner in a floundering, debt-ridden construction business started by an idiot brother-in-law; an investment gone so wrong that threatens to "touch" him or her personally - Hyacinth should write her creditor telling it of the impossibility that they will ever see anything from her beyond the house that is the subject of the mortgage and offer it to them in a mutually acceptable format; give them 60 days to responnd and if they don't agree - as the wealthy have done for years - take a Chapter. The property is in Florida afterall; one of the best states in the country to have a home and be in the federal bankruptsy court at the same time. That's why so many rich people ( remember Bowie Kuhn ) put big money into big expensive homes there. Later on she can, if she wants to, waste her time trying to find out by who and on what her perloined $ 41,000 settlement was spent - I'm betting it went on the downpayment of an oceanfront condo ...... maybe in Boca.
The whole deal with the foreclosure situation is due to the "NEED FOR GREED", with absolutely zero compassion on those who find themselves in unfortunate circumstances that lessen their ability to pay their mortgage. Whether they just simply fall behind on one payment or need to negotiate with their lenders, the banking institutions are totaly indifferent to the homeowner and refuse to turnoff the interest machines that they started in order to help anyone out. PERIOD!
BINGO! I think I love you. :)
RE: Roommates
My last roommate took me to the bank. ID theft. It's a different world out there people. Even the bank didn't bother to prosecute. Who do you think payed for their lost? The working class.
I suggest we get our heads out of the sand and plan better ways.
Should have gotten a second job to keep her going,at the same time, looked for a new job in desired salary range. Or, taken on a room mate. Also, how could she not know about the real estate taxes and insurance being a separate issue. Her loan officer should have gone over the documents with her. Was she not paying attention?
Well, god bless you, for never making a bad decision, and I guess from your lack of empathey never had to struggle in life..... Good for you,,, Do you spit on homeless people too? as you walk by with your Big Mac in your mouth>>>>>>>>>>
Comment: Lori I couldn't have said it better myself! People have become so hardened or/and detached I wonder if this person has not gone through hard times or is bitter by them? I think I have been through more than a person should... even injured in a time of war and still I find it much better to leave the things that I may want to judge by the almighty judge because life is just not in my control. If we don't have empathy or understanding for others what happens when it is our turn for hardship? The people that are so hard and not understanding or even a pro active part in assisting these people that need our understanding or advice I wouldn't want them as my back up in a crises situation they may run or blame others. I am not saying that people don't do the wrong thing at the time they finance their mortgage however, to them at that time it may have been right for whatever reason there are no quick answers to our Countries problems but, if we don't come together.....we have no chance!
Hey Ms Lori611 I make bad decisions just like everyone else. The difference is I clean up my own mess and don't assume that it is anybody elses problem to take care of.
I think hfrank9 has some serious anger issues with this story! Let's be honest. Anyone who knows anything about the real estate market and how lenders treated borrowers two years ago will know the sky was the limit. I saw people with 550 beacon scores getting approved for 200k with as little as 3%down. Sure the borrowers need to be accoutable for their purchases but lets not look past the lenders who were like sharks in a feeding frenzy.
So easy for others to condemn. Do you make enough money to not have to live pay check to pay check? Well, lucky you. For the majority of this world, we pay high prices for homeownership. The American dream? No, in reality it's the American Nightmare! Home lenders make fortunes off of those who wait on them at restaraunt, sell them food in grocery stores or the expensive clothes on their backs. When it takes 15 years just to start paying toward your principal, what do you except to happen in trying financial times? Loose your job and tell me how well you do. People with arrogant yet small minds make me sick.
I am in a similar situation in the Philadelphia area. I bought new construction in June 2005 based on a job relocation. The job did not turn out to be at all what was presented to me and I decided to move back to where I came from. Subsequently, I put the home on the market in Spring 2007 when it was about 2 years old. I have spent my life savings making mortgage payments on this unoccupied home while living in my new condo in another state. I never thought that since vacating the PA home in June it would sit without an offer until now. It is a beautiful home in excellent condition in the "Pharmaceutical Corridor" where there are jobs. What is going on here? I am baffled and begin to wonder if my continuing to pay on this home is a mistake. I have already paid well over $100,000 between the 20% down payment, upgrades and mortgage payments over 2 years. I am beginning to think that lowering the price more may not result in selling the house. What would you do if you were me?
You didn't say how much you bought the house for and how much you are selling for. I would guess you feel burnt because you are paying for a home you don???t live in and I feel for you. I don't know what you paid out in upgrades but at this point, you may not see a return on your investment. Being that I am a buyer, I can tell you I don't care if some one put granite in the kitchen. Trust me, it looks real nice, I might even take a double look. I am not however going to pay an over inflated price on a house because the seller is tacking on the $75,000 they did in upgrades. I would rather purchase a house that has been kept up and I can do the upgrades myself (if I want too.)
If I were you, I would forget about making a huge profit. I have seen houses like yours (the pretty new ones) sit on the market because of price. There are buyers out there but they are sitting back waiting for sellers to come to reality. Maybe you over paid for your home. That doesn't mean you will be able to "up" the sales price to cover your overpayment. I would have an aggressive CMA done, figure out what the lowest price is you can take and start dropping - not all at once though. If they didn't buy your house 6 months ago, don't expect them to buy it now at the same price given the housing circumstances.
The people selling the house we bought told us they didnit even get what they wanted for it. I just looked at them. It's all abut supply and demand. The demand isn't a house; the demand is a fair price.
Common sense dictates - lower the price. If you want to rid this burden, lower the price, but be smart about ascertaining fair market value. If there are jobs available in the area, there's a demand (however slight). I am familiar with the area and although the "bubble" has been deflating in that area slower than others (e.g., Florida), it is still and will continue to deflate. Bottom line: selling now at a loss that you can absorb maybe cheaper than making mortgage payments on an unoccupied house.
Posted By: tryingtodotherightthing @ 11/27/2007
Comment: My mother passed away Aug of last year. She left behind her home that she dearly loved a ranch house with 3 1/2 acres prime location in Colorado. My two brothers and I agreed to allow my middle brother to live in the home rent free until we could figure out what to do. I was living in S. Ca. and my older brother is living in N. Ca. so the middle brother wanted to buy us out and live in the home. GREAT we thought! However, two weeks before the house was going into forclosure he still couldn't get a loan for the amount needed. So I scrammbled and was able to find a private lender with the help of my Aunt whom is the Beneficiary the lender ended up being her best friend. Ok I thought just as long as the house doesn't go into foreclosure and loose everything. So I moved to Colorado my brother moved out (extremely reluctantly). Then, I found out the house needed ALOT of work!!!! I am a single mother, educated and have some mone
y put away so, I said ok lets do this. My daughter's and I gutted out the house, highered contractors, electricians, plumbers etc. we have been working on this for over 3 months now not living in the house. Through this whole thing my brothers and I have been receiving correspondence stating "if you are one day late I will forclose" "Don't send the payment by money order or over night send it by check and through the mail." All of us have had a bad feeling about all of this but, I had not choice but to go forward. I am almost done with house and we were expecting to move in less than two more weeks. We were getting excited!
While this whole thing is going on my Aunt say's she wants a detail description on what I am doing to the house. I didn't understand because as long as I make the payments and highering qualified professionals what does it matter? Well, yesterday my daughter receives a call from my Aunt stating that my October Payment did not go through and they are forclosing! WHAT! I made sure that payment went through I have the statement that say's it was good however, the private lender say's it didn't. My brothers and I stand to loose over $200,000.00 in equity and my daughter's and I have put everything into this so that our family doesn't loose the one thing our mother faught to give us. Because of the situation and no time to get a proper loan the lender (my aunts best friend) nailed me financially, she charged me 12% interest, 2 points and nothing goes to principle until I get a new loan.
I feel bad for a lot of these people. They don't even realize how much they don't know. They SOOOoooo want the dream of owning their own home they'll do anything. Between my wife and I we were making around $160/yr this year when I moved to a new city. Between us we had well above 100k avail to us as down payment and 750+ credit each. We talk to bankers and real estate agents and they kept pointing us at $450k plus homes, and we kept telling them we want $150k-200k (we knew that would creep up). We finally bought a house that was a BARGAIN at $196k with seller paying all closing. We did that so that if one of us lost a job we'd be fine on 1 income. While times were solid early in the year I paid off my car so we have no car payments. Guess what ??? The company that hired me and payed my relocation eliminated my department, all of us, gone. Two weeks later my wife was let go also (6month pregnant with our first I might add .... very dubious) any how, going with a house well within our means, having our cars payed off and having very little outside debt has allowed us to go for almost 6 months still looking for job and the wolf doesn't have our address yet much less come knocking. We're still looking for good solid jobs in our fields and it all starts with being educated and making smart choices. As many here have posted, let's be honest, the banker, the broker, the real estate agent all face the same bills and pressure we all do to perform and make money. That's not to say that every one of them is out to fleece, but at the same time they are going to act in their own interest and it has to be buyer beware and take responsibility for your choices. You look at this situation and it's a sub prime mortage, $40k ???? in closing ? (sketchy), variable rate ? To wit, it becomes clear to me that this poor women clearly needed guidance she wasn't getting, and the only answer to that is education, education, education. Then if someone makes unwise decisions, as bad as you may feel for them, they need to answer to those choices.
Well put.
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