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The Case For Facing Facts

Why we need to acknowledge that the news from Iraq has been getting better.

NEWSWEEK
Dec 3, 2007 Issue

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  • Posted By: gcrowe @ 02/25/2008 8:47:06 PM

    Comment:
    if you put enough troops in any small country you will reduce the violance. can you tell your enemy from your friends? i say you can not. you can not win what ever you are trying to win. as long as you stay there you wil always be dying. what will we gain by staying in iraq to creat what we call a win? it sound good when mccain keep holling that we are going to win. i still would like to know what will you win? it should be against some one law for america to keep killing people that have done nothing to america. we are fighting people whose only crime is being born an iraqi. we are wasting young people lives and limbs because we hate to face the fact that we are wrong. iraq did nothing for the people to be murder because we hated one man, their leader.

  • Posted By: wmk3rd @ 01/15/2008 12:37:00 PM

    Comment: Of course, the root of the problem is Barry Bonds and the San Francisco Giants fan. Scream, holler and cheer for every one of his home runs. Home runs win games and winning games means Championships. It doesn't matter how you get it. Just win.

    Well -- as we are finding out -- to alot of us it does matter.

    Even if this whole "things are getting better" notion is true, I feel for conscientious Americans it's just hard to root when you know how it all started.

  • Posted By: faminchin @ 01/04/2008 11:49:27 PM

    Comment: If only we hadn't gone into Iraq....what a wonderful world it would be with Saddam still in power. Those damn Iraqi people would never know freedom, never have a say in their government or their country. Saddam would still be there in power, with his deranged sons, probably digging more mass graves and murdering their own citizens. Damn that Bush messing up this fairy tale that Iraq was before we went there! It was such a wonderful place to live before we invaded.

    Personally, just the idea that somebody has to write an op-ed piece like this, demonstrates how slanted the reporting has been out of Iraq. Wouldn't it be nice if reporters and the media actually told us the truth about whats going on, instead of forcing their political agenda on us. What if the media just reported what's happening, the facts, instead of expressing their opinions and trying to pass it off as the news!

  • Posted By: nikole11 @ 12/27/2007 12:12:13 AM

    Comment: nothing will make you happy liberals are to d"* stubern to even want to see any good that has come from that war omg stop hateing! your killing yourself

  • Posted By: sinfony78 @ 12/23/2007 3:01:23 PM

    Comment: Absolutely horrible op-ed piece...why has violence curbed since the "surge"?
    well, take for example that Al-Sadr has told the Mahdi Army to stand down recently
    or that the Sunni Insurgency that was once fighting the American Army has been paid off by the Army to fight Al Qaeda, only because the Sunnis realized that they cannot fight both the Shias and the Americans...or take for example the fact that there is a widely-propogated ethnic cleansing front taking place all over the country, where once-mixed neighborhood are now entirely Sunni or entirely Shia
    Yes, Charles Peters, let's all thank General Petraeus for this, because he should be taking sole responsibility for what seeds the surge has sowed

  • Posted By: puravidavid @ 12/08/2007 12:02:28 AM

    Comment: "though some violence persists, is much improved since the summer. Why do liberals not want to face this fact, let alone ponder its implications?"

    Sheesh! Ask a skewed question, then imply those who've been asked refuse to reason. Many have pondered why the violence, while still horrific and unacceptable to any functioning society, has been reduced: 4 million citizens have been displaced from mixed neighborhoods. The sectarian terror campaign has been tragically effective.

    Why is it some pundits safely housed in prosperous America refuse to admit the surge hasn't reduced the violence, the Shia vs. Sunni, Sunni vs. Qaeda, Shia vs. Shia, etc. etc. violence and murder have reduced the population that remains to be expunged.

    You have no idea the damage your invasion and occupation have done to Iraq. If the displacement that has happened here had happened in the US, 60 MILLION OF YOU would have been driven from your homes! And none of you have been there over 400 years. Many of us trace our roots back 2000.

    Your arrogance will be your undoing. FOOLS!

  • Posted By: dsfoglesong @ 12/06/2007 7:51:40 PM

    Comment: "Troubled. " "Embarrassed." "Guilty." "Regret." "Empathetic." "Shame." As long as liberals like Peters wallow in their feelings, neocons and "realists" will set the agenda, while liberals wring their hands and emote.

  • Posted By: t9900 @ 12/05/2007 10:04:19 AM

    Comment: Now about the article it self. Its most likly one of the best I've ever read. It brings up very good points.

    "Conservatives refuse to face the fact that free markets need to be regulated to guard against chicanery and to protect the health and safety of consumers, workers and the public in general. " Like this. This is a good point. (BTW I view myself as being in the center of the left on the right-wing side.
    This article should be pinned as the best thing to ever come from Newsweek.

  • Posted By: t9900 @ 12/05/2007 9:57:47 AM

    Comment: Its one thing to constantly report the war is being lost everyday, but its completly different to say we are still losing after things are improving. This is the problem with reporting only what people want to hear. After a while, when you start reporting something truthful, your old audiance stops believing you and continues to believe what they want to even with facts against them. People wanted to prove the people that started the war wrong so the liberal media reported that we are losing. But when the media grows some balls and starts to report improvments when things start to imporve you turn on your only source of information and coninue to believe we are losing. Do you think it is possible to win something you think you won't win?
    I hope this trend (in Iraq) continues. If it does, our troops won't have to run out of Iraq while getting shot at becuase some scumbag politician who knows nothing about combat wants people to like him or her. Our troops would be able to leave a stable country, knowing that they did good andsecured democracy and freedom for people who deserve it.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 12/05/2007 12:00:40 AM

    Comment: Facts and figures can be very misleading. Both can be manipulated and can be biased.Newsweek should put an extra effort in reporting the truth. While painting rosy pictures for the public will benefit those few people in power, it will eventually backfire, they will be supporting the wrong candidate with wrong policies and ending up with a lot of frustrations and resentments.

  • Posted By: poppy5402 @ 12/02/2007 5:03:46 PM

    Comment: Sir, Your apology should be directed to General Petraeus, and the Troops, to the American People and especially to the Families of the Soldiers who paid the ultimate price. Please, stop talking about Veitnam and Iraq in the same breath. You know all the differences. You say the surge is really working, and then begin to talk about other issues. I've been told stories about how the left-reporters would keep searching through the troops until they found one who agreed with their point of view, and then begin to write their report for the folks back home about how bad things were going. To your far left readers, you will always be Newsweek, but to me you will always be Newsweak.

  • Posted By: poppy5402 @ 12/02/2007 4:22:47 PM

    Comment: Sir, you were wrong, and you can admit it. You say the serge is working, and then take the debate in other directions. This is the liberal mind-set, never give in and never give up. In writing what was right (very little), you began to talk about what was wrong, and how you now feel it should be, and how we all should moderate to the middle. Well, first you should say I AM TRULY SORRY, then retrace and retract all the written statement, and verbal too, that you have made about the conservatives and the war effort. This would get our attention enough to pay attention to some of your ideas about some of the other issues. You and many of the media-left should personally apologize to the General and the Troops. This is not and never was Veitnam, and if someone ever tries to spit on my Son, the way they did my brother, let's just say it better not happen. With the left, it is always party over policy, party over patriotism, party over country (if it can't be run by the left, then it should not exist). Learn to say I'm wrong and I'm sorry, and men it. The most important thing for America in Iraq is VICTORY. iT IS ONLY RIGHT FOR THOSE WHO PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE.

  • Posted By: jjcrocket @ 12/01/2007 11:04:18 AM

    Comment: The underlying issue is the reasoning behind politicians in this day and age.
    Their only concern is power and having a life long career. Reelection at all
    cost is the norm. below is my position on Iraq:





    Anti war and Bush critics will never be content. Looking at the strategic circumstances defines this mission, not narrow minded demagoguery.

    The Iraqi government is still in dippers, and is struggling no less with their new processes than our Congress, which stays inept after two hundred years. Imagine, they have passed a budget, and our Congress has not.

    We are still the elephant in the room in Bosnia after ten years, South Korea, Japan, and Europe after 60 years plus. We spend billions keeping the peace on the high seas in every corner of the globe year after year. We also provide relief in every corner of the world from tragedies such as the tsunami.

    Should we be the elephant in the room as thousands of years of hatred are resolved all over the middle east? Yes! and good for us! We have a place in Iraq where we can be peace makers throughout the region.

    I am a Vietnam Vet - sad even now - affected by the attacks and failure of the left to create resolve in Vietnam. The Democrats started Vietnam, and then abandon them. That is the only shame of Vietnam.

  • Posted By: oldgrouch @ 11/29/2007 6:19:14 PM

    Comment: Facinating. This could not be a simple article about the improving times in Iraq. How opposing abortion and this war are connected eludes me. The fact is war is tough, and a lot of mistakes can be made before winning. Look at the string of losers Lincoln went through before Grant. And Grant wasn't the man in 1862 he was in 1864. As for the usual cry that "Bush lied", go back and check Clinton's speeches in 1998 about SaSaddam

  • Posted By: SherriRBGR @ 11/29/2007 3:56:04 PM

    Comment: Mr. Peters, thank you for a very insightful article. You have managed to articulate this moderate's views. Being in a very large extended family, of whom 5 have had boots in Iraq, the latest just being home after 6 months of intense battle, I have struggled with the fact that I have been against the war in Iraq since the beginning. Being a baby boomer, I have vivid memories of my uncles, cousins and brother being in the armed services during Vietnam (most of whom served there), and remembering the shame of our hasty retreat, and our abandoning those who had served with us (the South Vietnamese). I also remember watching my family members deal with the "Peaceniks" who spit on them and called them baby killers, and how they suffered through PTSD and depression on their own without appreciation for their service. I want to see better plans for our extrication and our plans for fixing our mess that we made over there. As Americans, we have to fix what we did -- whether we personally, or as a nation, did it.

  • Posted By: dyhibb @ 11/29/2007 10:07:31 AM

    Comment: After years of lies, dead soldiers comming home in body bags,
    trillions of our tax dollars going to war proffiteers who happen to be
    some of Bush and Cheney's best buddies and all for a war that we
    should never have started in the first place, excuse me for not
    running down to the five and dime to get some party favors so we can
    celebrate a smidgin of progress.

  • Posted By: dyhibb @ 11/29/2007 10:07:06 AM

    Comment: After years of lies, dead soldiers comming home in body bags,
    trillions of our tax dollars going to war proffiteers who happen to be
    some of Bush and Cheney's best buddies and all for a war that we
    should never have started in the first place, excuse me for not
    running down to the five and dime to get some party favors so we can
    celebrate a smidgin of progress.

  • Posted By: sosebee2 @ 11/28/2007 11:16:19 AM

    Comment: Have we reached the point where we are completely braindead? We are borrowing money (millions by the minute) to supporort a war that in the end we will be unable to finance. Who is lending us the money so we can fund this fiasco? The infrastructure in this country is in deep decay and we want to feel a welling of pride at our "signifigant" progress in a country that has reverted to a system that existed in the 15th century - fuedal warlords. There has been no progress on the political front. What we have is a devils' bargain.

    We don't need anymore of this "comfort food". Why don't you tell us how good it's going to be when we finally "win". The big three (EXXON, Shell, Conoco) have picked up the oil contracts for Iraq. That is what this has been about since the beginning - OIL and greed. You can save that nonsense about the "Greening of Democracy" for the hillbillies who buy that @#$%

  • Posted By: steveok @ 11/27/2007 9:56:17 PM

    Comment: I am a Democrat and have been for several years. I did not agree with the means by which we were taken into this conflict but once we were in I understood we were obligated and that our withdrawal must be well planned. I am concerned with the polarization I have witnessed over the past several years in our political arena. I believe part of the problem can be attributed to the talking heads from both sides (liberal and conservative) - Rush, Bill, Sean, etc. We are in a serious time which requires serious people to review the facts and make intelligent decisions. Mr. Peters article is well timed and should be taken as a breath of fresh air by everyone, no matter what political affiliation. It is time we dealty with facts as a populace and hope that somewhere in this web of politics we can find a true statesman.

  • Posted By: yuri.zavorotny @ 11/27/2007 5:31:24 PM

    Comment: I understand why the war critics don't want to acknowledge the good news. Because no one knows where this trend will stop. Will it bring Iraq all the way to democracy, peace and prosperity envisioned by the neocons? And if it will happen, does it mean that the war was worth it?

  • Posted By: jojoc10 @ 11/27/2007 9:30:35 AM

    Comment: I start to get the impression that the Democrats almost want this war to fail so badly that they refuse to see any signs of improvement (as suggested in this article). The Democrats have so much at stake in this Presidential election based on a premise of the government of Iraq failing that they haven't even thought about the least case scenario (worst case for them, that the tide is actually turning).

  • Posted By: thosfiore @ 11/27/2007 12:20:31 AM

    Comment: I think it great that things are getting better over in Iraq. When can we leave? If we are going to establish an eternal presence in Iraq how can we do it as inexpensively as possible? Will we ever hold the fools who put us in this hell hole responsible for it? Will we ever pay the bills for this war or will it stay on the credit card without a limit that we have issued to President Bush? Where will we get the unending supply of troops for this unending war? Nobody prepaired us for this "long, hard slog" and it should now be time for them to come clean, figure out what the real future costs will be and plan for the future rather than viewing the long term as the next "emergency" budget request.

  • Posted By: BrooksRob @ 11/26/2007 10:33:17 PM

    Comment: APPLAUSE !! While I don't share Peters' favored Iraq policy or his underlying assumption that announcing our departure by a date certain is most conducive to political reconciliation, I applaud his general message of less knee-jerk partisanship and more serious consideration of a variety of views. SEE "Real Debate: An Endangered Species" at http://www.redstate.com/blogs/brooksrob/2007/may/03/real_debate_an_endangered_species

  • Posted By: BrooksRob @ 11/26/2007 10:32:27 PM

    Comment: While I don't share Peters' favored Iraq policy or his underlying assumption that announcing our departure by a date certain is most conducive to political reconciliation, I applaud his general message of less knee-jerk partisanship and more serious consideration of a variety of views. SEE "Real Debate: An Endangered Species" at http://www.redstate.com/blogs/brooksrob/2007/may/03/real_debate_an_endangered_species

    • Posted By: steveok @ 11/27/2007 22:04:34

      Comment: I don't fit in either camp of conservative or liberal due to the fact that I agree or disagree with points from both sides. I agree that it is refreshing to see a less knee jerk partisanship as demonstrated in this article. I am concerned that with the talking heads from both sides ..Rush, Bill, Sean, etc we have been dumbed down as a populace. It is good when facts are presented and we can make intelligent decisions based on healthy debate. It is not a "I told you so" mentality I have seen from the conservative arena. I am hoping that somewhere in the web of our modern day politicians we have a true statesman.

  • Posted By: J Bell @ 11/26/2007 10:12:16 PM

    Comment: it is encouraging to see a balanced viewpoint in the current environment of extremist rightious dialog that seems to be so prevalent. With the exception of the phrase "which he has replaced the previous strategy of banging down doors and shooting first." which I beleive is not factual, it is true that bothconservative and liberal sides have contributed to an environment that has nnot been helpful. as a conservative, I agree that in hind sight, this was not a well executed plan for eliminating world terroism. It is pleasing to see a liberal face the facts that the surge has brought positive results. It is reciprocally fair to ask why we didn't pursue this policy some time ago.

    Liberals should admit that Saddam Hussein was clearly a dictator that commited mass murder, and used gas ( a form of WMD) on his own people. I personally beleive that Bush believed in what he has done, based on the advise he was given. ( I haven't seen that he intentionally lied) (Even Hillary stated at the authorization for the war that there were 23 reasons stated for supporting bush and plenty of reason even if there wasn't WMD. Nevertheless, the execution of the post war effort left room for legitimate criticism.

    I hope such articles will be more evident in the moths to come so that we can begin a more meaningful dialog on the correct path forward. we desparately need to strive for more civil dialog in dealing with foreign policy and issues.

  • Posted By: chill299 @ 11/26/2007 9:51:12 PM

    Comment: The point that keeps escaping most on the antiwar left is that everyone saw and believed the same evidence that Saddam needed to be forcefully removed from power. How exremely weak of them to run when the pressure builds. And what if we left him alone and he did build his weapons? Would we have had to wait until he used them to act? That is an even weaker position. Thousands of Americans should not have to die on their own soil before we act to defend ourselves. Clearly Saddam had evil intentions. This adminstration saw it as did the previous. Get over it and try to support our mission to give millions over there a chance to enjoy the freedoms that 50% of us or more take for granted.
    Also, those of you who think the Army is the enemy and is not the reason for current sucess over there are dispicable. It is a shame that our good men and women fight for your stupidity.

    • Posted By: SherriRBGR @ 11/29/2007 16:19:14

      Comment: SIGH. This really, to start out, looked like -- FINALLY!!! -- a sane discussion of the situation. But when you say things like "everyone saw and believed the same evidence," you are not being truthful. Maybe everyone YOU knew, but even so, I suspect there were some in your sphere of existence who didn't. I have been a registered Republican since 1977. While I supported sanctions against Saddam because he was a dictator who gassed his own people, I did NOT believe that he had WMD, and I didn't agree we needed to invade Iraq. So, no, Chill299, "everyone" didn't see and believe the same evidence. Not by a long shot.

  • Posted By: fkelly1999 @ 11/26/2007 6:09:34 PM

    Comment: We have liberated Iraq and Afghanistan. Over 50 million people. Its not all we hoped for, but who among us would rather live under the old regimes versus the current?

  • Posted By: Irratical @ 11/26/2007 5:39:44 PM

    Comment: As a "fellow liberal" who opposed the war from the start, I reluctantly agree with Peters that I am as much to blame for the Iraq mess as the rightwingers who actually conceived and executed the war in the first place and who all along tried to equate dissent with treason. With casualty rates roughly where they were 18 months ago (the good ol' days), I admit finding 20 decapitated corpses every day instead of 40 means we are winning. Winning what? Permanent stewardship over a failed Islamic state at the cost of 2 billion a week. I promise to abandon the rigidity of my poorly reasoned positions and vote Republican.

  • Posted By: LadyLeft @ 11/26/2007 4:48:53 PM

    Comment: Your heart's in the right place, but you have a childishly simplistic view of history. Your current events knowledge is rather weak as well--"banging down doors and shooting first", indeed. It is extremely dishonorable to snipe at people who have more courage than you could fathom, and have done more for their countrymen than you would ever consider doing. Have a nice day, and thank whatever pseudogod you worship that brave men and women stand ready to die for freedoms that you take for granted.

  • Posted By: pheanisJwhoopie @ 11/26/2007 9:04:17 AM

    Comment: A careful tip of the hat. Years into it and this is the first we are seeing something good. I hope we have learned the true cost of war.

  • Posted By: nawawimohamad @ 11/26/2007 4:01:13 AM

    Comment: I hope the peace in Bagdad will be lasting and the troops can go back. I don't know what Petraeus have or have not done, but it is more of the reduction in insurgencies rather than the success of the American army. What about the rest of Iraq?

  • Posted By: Braes @ 11/26/2007 1:17:57 AM

    Comment: If only the efforts of Petraeus and the troops were matched by state, treasury, HHS, etc. This has been all on the Army, and not all on America. Every facet of national power and every organ of government could have had a full hand in the effort. You have to wage peace with the same fierocity that you wage war. They left the details to contractors and the State Department just cut checks. Rumsfield never had a plan for order. He fired Shinseki for estimating a correct force requirement.

  • Posted By: Aurelius @ 11/25/2007 3:32:52 PM

    Comment: US troops "are not banging down doors anymore"? I don't believe THAT.

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/26/2007 01:34:03

      Comment: The point was that it is not the only tactic, the boot in your tail approach. Petraeus reinvented counter-insurgency tactics. Carrot and stick... when carrot tells you where the 4-5 foreign fighters are. Earn the respect of the locals, instead of shooting what moves. Now if only the mercenaries would do just that... As far as force application, we need less. As far as Al Maliki, he is a stooge not worth the blood shed, who owes his allegiance not to Iraq or the United States, but Iran. This state will be a mess for a long time, and we broke it, we own it as far as responsibility goes.
      As far as banging down doors, Yeah I'd imagine that still gets done. Killing people and breaking their things is what a military does when it operates. Police here in the US bang down doors in no-knock raids and shoot what moves too. The Petraeus difference is that He is trying to get us out of force situations and into collaborative ones. Little steps. Long view.

  • Posted By: jjcrocket @ 11/25/2007 1:37:36 PM

    Comment: As a Vietnam Vet I hated the democrats for cutting off funds to South Vietnam. Kennedy, Dodd, and Biden particpated in that shameful vote, and now they lead the cry to create the same in Iraq. I know and still
    live the hell of war, but the war of politics and the antiwar left is pathetic and irrational. Peace comes with
    victory not defeat.

    • Posted By: steveok @ 11/27/2007 22:12:07

      Comment: As a fellow Vietnam era product let us share the blame. I am not aware of any historical facts that point to a cut off of funds by the Democrates for the Vietnam wary; owever, they are to be held liable for escalating the conflict. LBJ, Robert McManara etc. Let us remember the negotiated treaty for failure as led by Henry Kissenger and Richard Nixon. So I think there are a number of both sides who can stand up to the bar on this one. Enter Your Comment

  • Posted By: jjcrocket @ 11/25/2007 1:31:30 PM

    Comment: Our own Congress is disfunctional for very good reasons. It was designed by people that feared
    government power run amok. Well maybe the same is good for Iraq. We do know that local and
    provincial governments are moving forward with good results. Local government works well here
    too. We also know that iraq has approved a budget, which is something our Congress can't do.

  • Posted By: jjcrocket @ 11/25/2007 1:26:44 PM

    Comment: As a Vietnam Vet I still hate the likes of democrats - Kennedy, Dodd, Biden - who voted to stop aide
    to South Vietnam and created the shame of Saigon and Vietnam. Today they are attempting the same illogical solutions for political expediency. That is shameful as well. Fortunately we have a focused determined President Bush who will not bow to political expediency or polls to do the right thing. OurCongress

  • Posted By: gezish @ 11/25/2007 3:17:11 AM

    Comment: The Iraqi government will start feeling like a government and an able system only if the Americans start pulling out leaving behind their friendliness and good memory. what the people think is not important for the time being because the people of Iraq hardly know what is going on in their country except the feeling of bring occupied. Make the Maliki team feel self sufficient by bringing home some fifty thousand troops by March 2008.

  • Posted By: ClaudeM @ 11/24/2007 10:02:59 PM

    Comment: As a lifelong progressive now age 71, and a 50 year careful observer of politics and all the wars we have ever been involved in, I think it is just a bit too soon to say that Petraeus' surge has been the medicine that saved the sick baby. Let us wait a few more months while we begin to bring some, perhaps 10,000 great soldiers home. Bush absolutely must tell Maliki that he needs to double his effort at reconciliation, top down, versus the labored, too slow bottoms up stalagmite that appears to be ongoing.

  • Posted By: cmicah6:8 @ 11/24/2007 7:45:11 PM

    Comment: Excellent article, Mr. Peters. It reminds us that bipartisanship is possible. Now if only Bush and the Democratic Congress coul find some common ground. As much as I oppose this war, especially the Bush administration's truncated justifications, we have opened a can of stink and we need to clean this mess up. I'm also afraid we will be in Iraq a very long time. We are building military bases strategically located around oil reserves, fields, pipelines, and platorms. We are also building an embassy the size of a small city.

    As for talking to our enemies, I wish Bush and his administration would apply this concept to Iran. We can't conduct diplomacy with just our friends. That's why it's called diplomacy. And our foreign policy should not consist of all stick and no carrot. Why are some, such as Richard Perle, Norman Podhoretz, Dick Cheney, William Kristol, John Bolton, and others so eager to start another war? Why doesn't George Bush who claims to be a Christian seriously consider the "beatitude" -- blessed are the peacemakers?

    • Posted By: Braes @ 11/26/2007 01:19:59

      Comment: AIPAC, PNAC and Cheney's oil summit.

  • Posted By: djonesss @ 11/24/2007 4:39:20 PM

    Comment: You ask why? It is very simple: Hate overwhelms reason.

 
 
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