Growing Up Giuliani

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  • Posted By: 15yearNYCmedic @ 11/27/2007 12:24:56 AM

    Read Stephen Lee Meyers 1993 piece in the NYT re: then mayor-elect Giuliani's obstruction of government administraion when he interfered with two EMS crews and an EMS supervisor treating an injured child in front of his old building, notified by his then mistress Christine Lantegnano. Cursing like the hothead he is, he accused the crew of "arguing with the mother while leaving the child shivering on the pavement". I was the paramedic there and he arrived AFTER the child, properly assessed was in the Lenox Hill ambulance. Norman Siegal wanted us to sue him for $1 for slander. Just wait, Rudy for us to tell our story on 60 Minutes as you try to hoodwink the nation with your 'America's Mayor' nonsense. You and Bernie worked the deaths of thousands to manipulate and enrich yourselves. And you have the 9/11 families dogging you at every turn. Good luck, you'll need it.

    • Posted By: hbradar @ 11/27/2007 1:07:09 AM

      There is as much bull ____ on this page as in the article

    • Posted By: hbradar @ 11/27/2007 12:49:50 AM

      Stephen Lee Meyers 1993 piece in the NYT ///// who is he? a writer for the anti Republican....anti American NY Times. Should we now ask Paul Krugman or Rich's opinion of Guiliani. I dont think so.

      • Posted By: hbradar @ 11/27/2007 1:04:52 AM

        Also, a search of 1993 archives show NO article regarding Guiliani and EMS workers.

    • Posted By: hbradar @ 11/27/2007 12:46:58 AM

      Cursing like the hothead he is, he accused the crew of "arguing with the mother while leaving the child shivering on the pavement". What does this comment mean or imply. What are you saying that he did wrong.. Sounds like he wanted the child to be attended while the EMS crew was arguing.. Please explain your comments

  • Posted By: hbradar @ 11/27/2007 12:40:58 AM

    After Evan Thomas award winning coverage of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, it was revealed that he himself was involved (while married) with 20 year old TIME magazine intern Talk of throwing 'stones'. This is the grandson of Norman Thomas ...long time Socialist candidate for President... You can see this guy has obvious skeltons and doesnt qualify as potential Preist of virtue or truth.

  • Posted By: daveyhart @ 11/26/2007 7:16:48 PM

    A voice from 1950's Catholic all-male high school -- If you think that Bishop Loughlin High School didn't have much to do with Rudy's early formation, think again. Catholic mythologies and symbols still dominate Rudy's moral world and flow over into his politics. Just like Mit-wit Romney, he expects the rest of the world to stand at moral attention when he speaks. We are still an immature nation, and the poisin of religion infects too many voters.

    • Posted By: jtsgrandmom @ 11/26/2007 8:37:36 PM

      And just what do you have against morality? America is a nation of laws and has flourished because of it. Sine the secular progressive moral relativists have taken over in the past 20 -30 years, they have brought this nation to a point that her continued existence as a sovereign nation is in mortal jeopardy. The laws of our nation were founded in Judeo-Christian principals whether the historical (hysterical) revisionists have the moral courage, (guess not) to admit it or not. There is a reason that the 10 Commandments are on the Supreme Court's wall and not just for decoration. Only if and when this nation goes back to her MORAL roots, do we have a chance to survive. ALL that said, Guliani, Romney, Clinton and the other "frontrunners" are ALL moral relativists. You need not be afraid of Guliani because he is Catholic. She is a CLAIMANT Catholic but wise people judge by action, not words. And Guliani's acts bely the fact that he is NO Catholic, by ANY stretch.

  • Posted By: columbus @ 11/26/2007 6:06:17 PM

    Newsweek should be ashamed. By unfortunately titling its article "Growing up Giuliani," it is not-so-subtlety linking the Italian-American presidential candidate with the mafia-inspired Gotti show, "Growing up Gotti." It's a vicious insinuation, no doubt concocted by the mal-contented liberal media, and I hope Candidate Giuliani calls it for what it is.

  • Posted By: columbus @ 11/26/2007 6:04:12 PM

    Newsweek should be ashamed. By unfortunately titling its article ???Growing up Giuliani,??? it is not-so-subtlety linking the Italian-American presidential candidate with the mafia-inspired Gotti show, ???Growing up Gotti.??? It???s a vicious insinuation, no doubt concocted by the mal-contented liberal media, and I hope Candidate Giuliani calls it for what it is.

  • Posted By: andso @ 11/26/2007 12:23:02 PM


    This is someone's way of trying to say the Rudy G. is a racist. His family moved him at 7, white flight didn't occur in Flatbush till years later, but the quote below clearly tries to insinuates that Gulianni is a racist.


    "When Rudy was 7, Harold moved his family from Brooklyn to Garden City, a middle-class, virtually all white suburb on Long Island. Harold later told one of Rudy's teachers that he wanted to get his son "away from some relatives that he didn't particularly care for, and so Rudy could have a solid bringing up without any temptations to break the law." Though in 1951 East Flatbush was still relatively untouched by the great postwar migration of Southern blacks to Northern cities, white flight had begun in Brooklyn. Tony Mauro, a college classmate of Giuliani's who lived in nearby Crown Heights and whose family moved to Garden City in 1950, recalls his father's accounts of real-estate agents' scaring residents by warning of diminishing property values and crime."


    I noticed after reading the whole article that there were many many places where some thing was stated and another unrelated fact was presented to prove or indicate that the first fact was true. The writers of this article have an agenda and think that the readers are too stupid to figure that out, and after reading some of the comments I see that they are right. I didn't have Rudy Giuliani on my short list of candidate who I might vote for, but after reading this article I have placed him near the top. Thanks Newsweek, being left, make me very right. PUN INTENDED.

    • Posted By: caroline @ 11/26/2007 5:14:07 PM

      Andso: First of all Rudy's FATHER moved him out of Brooklyn. At age 7 when he moved, Rudy was in no position to make a decision based on race or anything else. On the one hand, anyone who got a few bucks together joined the great post-war migration out of Brooklyn to Long Island - the American dream, house in the suburbs, G.I bill made this possible for many Americans. On the other hand, maybe Rudy's father was a racist. Just about everyone's father was back then. As I posted elsewhere, growing up on LI was not like growing up in Nebraska, Missouri, or Ohio. NY was the great melting pot for recent immigrants but we didn't melt easily. There was enormous diversity but groups self-segregated into ethnic enclaves. The word "diversity" itself wasn't in the vernacular and it certainly wasn't celebrated. A mixed marriage was Irish - Italian. Italians were at the bottom of the heap and were universally discriminated against. The statement that Rudy's father bought a home in Garden City is factually incorrect. No way would Rudy's father been able to buy into Garden City coming from Brooklyn. No way would he want to. His world and the world of those upper-middle class residents of Garden City woud/could never intersect socially. Back then there were ways for undesirable types to be excluded from purchasing a home where they weren't wanted. There was no such thing as anti-discrimination legislation. Garden City wasn't "virtually" all white back then; it was all white, comprised of affluent WASP sand DAR members and proudly so. But every other surrounding community was virtually all white also; they just were less affluent. The times have changed. Lots of Italians live in Garden City now. Just goes to show that after a few generations every immigrant group becomes part of the mainstream and makes a contribution. But I've digressed...

  • Posted By: busy @ 11/26/2007 4:30:58 PM

    Something is very wrong with this man.
    the fact he refused an interview is because he knew that embarrasing questions about his past and poor judgement on who he picks for friends saids much about the man.
    He did a good job cleaning up NYC and should get an atta boy for that but President of the United States?
    i shutter at the thought.
    Mitt is a much more stable leader in my opinion.

  • Posted By: busy @ 11/26/2007 4:30:58 PM

    Something is very wrong with this man.
    the fact he refused an interview is because he knew that embarrasing questions about his past and poor judgement on who he picks for friends saids much about the man.
    He did a good job cleaning up NYC and should get an atta boy for that but President of the United States?
    i shutter at the thought.
    Mitt is a much more stable leader in my opinion.

  • Posted By: busy @ 11/26/2007 4:30:56 PM

    Something is very wrong with this man.
    the fact he refused an interview is because he knew that embarrasing questions about his past and poor judgement on who he picks for friends saids much about the man.
    He did a good job cleaning up NYC and should get an atta boy for that but President of the United States?
    i shutter at the thought.
    Mitt is a much more stable leader in my opinion.

  • Posted By: busy @ 11/26/2007 4:30:55 PM

    Something is very wrong with this man.
    the fact he refused an interview is because he knew that embarrasing questions about his past and poor judgement on who he picks for friends saids much about the man.
    He did a good job cleaning up NYC and should get an atta boy for that but President of the United States?
    i shutter at the thought.
    Mitt is a much more stable leader in my opinion.

  • Posted By: busy @ 11/26/2007 4:30:04 PM

    Something is very wrong with this man.
    the fact he refused an interview is because he knew that embarrasing questions about his past and poor judgement on who he picks for friends saids much about the man.
    He did a good job cleaning up NYC and should get an atta boy for that but President of the United States?
    i shutter at the thought.
    Mitt is a much more stable leader in my opinion.

  • Posted By: Christy @ 11/26/2007 2:44:02 PM

    To all of you who contend that this story was biased, well, you need to actually READ piece in order to make that sort of assertion. If you read the story in its entirerity, you would see that Giuliani refused to give Newsweek any kind of a legitimate interview. It's tough to tell his side of the story when he isn't at all forthcoming. Get a clue.

    • Posted By: joecrandall1 @ 11/26/2007 3:54:43 PM

      So, if you can't actually have a "legitimate" interview with a person, it's impossible to be fair? (That's YOUR logic, not mine.) That is, a legitimate approach to handling a situation where the person doesn't speak with you is to identify any and all potentially negative information, whether it's false, politically-motivated, or just mere opinion, and just print that? There's plenty of factual, truthful, and reliable information out there about Rudy, all of which paints an extremely positive picture about a classic American success story. Newsweek ignored all that, and instead chose to run with the innuendo and the anti-Italian, anti-Catholic slurs. (I'm still waiting for someone who supports this article to say something even remotely interesting or worthwhile - my guess is that I have a long wait ahead of me.)

  • Posted By: FrankieJVA @ 11/26/2007 11:22:40 AM

    I have to marvel at how the authors of this smear piece mention Msgr. Alan Placa as a liability for Giuliani. Even though they admit that he was accused, but never charged, with wrongdoing. If the government hasn't seen fit to try the man and convict him, why should Giuliani? I see this as a positive rather than a negative. The man stands by what he believes to be right. But I guess we should look to other, more principled, political figures like Bill Clinton. Right guys? Word of advice. Take the Hillary buttons off the next time you start to write an article. At least pretend that you're impartial.

    • Posted By: Joe B. @ 11/26/2007 3:43:16 PM

      Placa only escaped prosecution b/c the statute of limitations had run out. A Suffolk County grand jury concluded that he molested several of his students. And that's to say nothing of how he, like Bernard Law, Roger Mahoney, and other church officials, shielded priest abusers from detection so that they could abuse even more children. Like Law and Mahoney, Placa won't see any jail time for that, but he should. You should get your facts straight before you try to defend the indefensible: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Db2UPUkGyw .

  • Posted By: Carmelo Lisciotto @ 11/26/2007 3:35:00 PM

    I'd be happy to accept all of Rudi's faults for even half of the positive accomplishments he's had as Mayor of NYC.
    Rudi is the man!
    Carmelo Lisciotto

  • Posted By: Joe B. @ 11/26/2007 3:32:10 PM

    This article glosses pretty quickly over Giuliani's extremely disturbing friendship with the accused child molester Alan Placa. For a much fuller accounting, check out this clip on youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Db2UPUkGyw . An important point the article fails to mention is that Placa only escaped prosecution because the statute of limitations had run out. Frankly, I find it mind-boggling that Giuliani can be a front-runner when he protects and coddles people like Placa and Kerik.

  • Posted By: Shankardada2 @ 11/26/2007 12:36:00 PM

    "Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do." Only one instructed by Catholics (who routinely twist "logic" to justify their bizzare superstition - e.g. I am eating the body and blood of Christ) could say such a thing.

    • Posted By: jtsgrandmom @ 11/26/2007 2:08:08 PM

      The quote is not because he's Catholic, it's because he's a liberal and socialist, expressing typical liberal socialist viewpoints. Guliani is Hillery without a skirt.

  • Posted By: criticalthought @ 11/26/2007 1:51:23 PM

    I thought that this was a fair evenhanded introduction to the man Giuliani. Although it didn't decide for me either way about whether to support him or not, as a single article on the presidential hopeful, I wouldn't have expected it to. For those who believe that this was written as a pro or anti Giuliani article (and there are both in the preceeding comments), your comments only show your biased, previously held positions. In any case, well done Newsweek for an enjoyable article.

    • Posted By: joecrandall1 @ 11/26/2007 2:05:32 PM

      Um, not quite. I can't disagree with you more, so let me attempt to educate you. This article tries, on occasion, to give the appearance of fairness, but it is so one-sided that it fails miserably throughout. It was written by a person who had an agenda, clearly - but this person's agenda has so clouded his/her judgment that he/she can't even pretend to write a fair article. Here's an example - I'm running against you for political office, and during a debate I say "Many have accused you of being a child molester, but I would never stoop to such negative campaigning tactics." You see what happened there? That's what this article does again and again. There are subtle methods whereby an author can work in bias - but this article is over the top. This is not even close to being a "fair" article. In fact, anyone who believes that this is a "fair" article is, as you say, only showing his/her previously held anti-Giuliani position.

  • Posted By: ez4me2sa @ 11/26/2007 2:02:01 PM

    Re: Long Island Mom:
    "I am so sick of hearing how Rudy cleaned up New York City.Policies of Bill Clinton,allocating funds for more police on the streets of America;Mayor Dinkins and Commisioner Bill Bratton initiating their "Safe Cities,Safe Streets" program;and of course,a better economy(more jobs,better social programs,etc) were the reason for NYC's transformation-NOT RUDY GUILIANI!!!!!Please people read about this power-hungry maniac before casting your votes."

    LOL!! Policies of Bill Clinton?? Give us a break. We all know what Bill did, however it had nothing to do with making New York safer. The guy should be in jail.

  • Posted By: ez4me2sa @ 11/26/2007 1:59:08 PM

    Re: Long Island Mom:
    "I am so sick of hearing how Rudy cleaned up New York City.Policies of Bill Clinton,allocating funds for more police on the streets of America;Mayor Dinkins and Commisioner Bill Bratton initiating their "Safe Cities,Safe Streets" program;and of course,a better economy(more jobs,better social programs,etc) were the reason for NYC's transformation-NOT RUDY GUILIANI!!!!!Please people read about this power-hungry maniac before casting your votes."

    LOL! Policies of Bill Clinton??? Give us a break! We all know what Bill did, however it had nothing to do with making New York safer. The guy should be in jail.

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