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New immigrants may be the best thing that ever happened to American cities, but don't wait for the leading presidential candidates to tell you that.

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  • Posted By: t9900 @ 11/30/2007 7:09:17 PM

    You know its interesting because the liberals claim the conservatives are racist and forgot that they were once immigrants yet not realize we are against ILLEGAL immigrants. I don't care if they are European, if they came here illegal they should be deported. The liberals need to shut up about the conservatives because its the liberals that are supporting criminals.
    It amazes me how anybody could support ILLEGAL immigration.
    Illegal-1. forbidden by law or statute.
    2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.
    means your a criminal

  • Posted By: oldgrouch @ 11/30/2007 11:31:24 AM

    Sorry for the typos, I have a problem with my browser

  • Posted By: oldgrouch @ 11/30/2007 10:41:11 AM

    As is so often the case, two things are lumped together to try and prove one point. Despite the rhetoric being thrown around, most conservatives do not oppose immigration, they oppose ILLEGAL immigration. I sincerely hope the immigrant cops you mentioned came here legally. If you pay attention to the quotes I saw in your piece, Most if not all are talking about immigrants in general, not illegals.
    I notice there are some statistics yoionate percentage of illegals in the penal system.

  • Posted By: rromanie @ 11/30/2007 8:12:11 AM

    Are you crazy?

    What more do you have to offer than rhetorical evidence to support such an outlandish assertion that the way to keep the crime rate down is not to question the status of illegals, or worse yet, to endorse or promote it? (???And it's not just that newly arrived immigrants are less likely to be part of an urban nightmare, it's that they bring their own positive dreams.???) Come on!

    Sure you quote statistics such as ???Nationwide, over the last 15 years we've seen the largest wave of immigration, in absolute numbers, both legal and illegal, ever to reach the shores of the United States. Foreigners fresh off the boat, so to speak, now represent almost 13 percent of the U.S. population???, granted, but does this naturally mean that the illegals are responsible for the lower crime rate.

    You obviously have an agenda as is evidenced by your support for Hillary???s confusion (read ???Flip-flop???).

    With regard to the terror front, as you call it, how about the fact that it was recently discovered that Al Qaeda has formed bonds w/Mexican drug cartels to transport terrorists into the US, or how about the fact that all of the 9-11 hijackers were from parts outside of the US? I guess they were here legally so this doesn???t fall into your overall assertion that only illegals make us safer.

    Please don???t try to palm off the misguided idea that illegals equate to less crime. It just does not follow. Good try, but we can see thru your agenda. What???s sad is that there are some that would buy your ???logic???.

    The only thing that made sense in your piece was the statement: ???So the debates go on, with every discussion of illegal aliens ever more alienated from the facts at hand???.

  • Posted By: kindablue72@hotmail.com @ 11/29/2007 5:45:29 AM

    This is more liberal subterfuge attributable to the same mentality that brought us the welfare state, open borders, and a 9 trillion dollar federal debt.

    Just because the "10 safest cities" in the country happen to have large immigrant populations does not mean immigrants are responsible for the trend. Apparently the author of this article isn't smart or well educated enough to understand one of the most basic theoretical tenets of statistics: Correlation does not imply causation. It's like saying that "My hat keeps snakes away because, well, you don't see any around here, do you?"

    One also has to wonder what the criteria for "safe" is, according to this study, and who defined it. For example, the American cities that have the highest rates of identity theft are also those with the largest population of illegal immigrants. Furthermore there is a strong a relationship between illegal immigration and drug-related crime: Several border cities, such as Nuevo-Loredo, have been called "war zones" by their own law enforcement officials, and the Hispanic governor of New Mexico declared a "state of emergency" along the border of his state for many of the same reasons.

    Another fatal flaw of this analysis is that it doesn't separate the impact of illegal versus legal immigration. I have no problem believing that legal immigrants may be more law abiding than native-born Americans; many had to spend years waiting in line and their life savings to be granted the priviledge of coming to this country; they don't want to risk deportation by getting on the wrong side of the law.

    Illegal immigrants, on the other hand, have already broken the law as soon as they step foot on American soil. Strike one. By the time they do so, many are already carrying falsified U.S. government documents, such as social security cards, green cards, and driver's licenses, or they purchase them once here. Strike two. They then use these documents to illegally obtain employment, or they steal the identity/social security number of a U.S. citizen in order to do so. Strike three. They then get a car and begin driving without a license or insurance. Strike four (wait, shouldn't they already be "out?"). How big of a leap is it from there to felony drunk driving (which, de facto, isn't even a crime in Mexico) and violent offences -- particularly for people who, in terms of education and income, are right in line with the majority of native-born criminals? And if they get deported for breaking the law, it's "no big deal" because they can come right back, or keep trying until they get across.

    • Posted By: JDark @ 11/29/2007 1:04:47 PM

      They DO take you to jail if you are drunk and driving in Mexico!

      • Posted By: rromanie @ 11/30/2007 8:10:56 AM

        Congratulations! Finally an intelligent, well thought-out, cogent rebuttal to the article which is full of oversights and biases. Bravo to you kindablue72 for pointing out the fallacy in the articles tenets

      • Posted By: rromanie @ 11/30/2007 8:04:06 AM

        Congratulations! Finally an intelligent, well thought-out, cogent rebuttal to the article which is full of oversights and biases. Bravo to you kindablue72 for pointing out the fallacy in the articles tenets

  • Posted By: Frankie Denise @ 11/30/2007 1:24:21 AM

    I moved to Florida from northern NJ in 1980 when I was 20...same year as the Mariel Boatlift and the year the Miami skyline began construction with cocaine drug money. Since then, south Florida has been innundated with Hispanics from third world countries whose culture provides an extreme shock factor. I moved out of my first home in 1994 because a house a block away became filled with an increasing group of these people who allowed their eight children ages 2-10 to roam the neighborhood unsupervised, and their house eventually just had holes in the walls where there once were windows and doors...and dirt instead of grass, not even weeds. I am now starting to witness the deterioration of the once upscale neighborhood I moved to. I have a 'For Sale' sign on my house and had TWO CARLOADS of Hispanics pull into my driveway, knock on my door (about 10 people) and ask how many bedrooms I have! You may recall the immigrant 27 yr old Mexican cocaine trafficker 'father', his 26 yr old wife, and two toddler sons shot dead on the FL turnpike in St Lucie county a year ago. Their Mexican family who live in Texas were not as shocked as the unfortunate motorist who found the bodies. It's common to see memorials to the deceased plastered on rear windows of vehicles down here. Pathetic! This is one huge culture America can do without. The other is Haitians. Just last week over the Thanksgiving holiday, another boat full washed up on the shore of Jupiter Island. They actually went to someones house to ask for directions! One died in the surf. This is not the way to emigrate. It's unfair to all. I'm tired of being forced to deal with it daily, and on top of it, having to pay for it.

  • Posted By: eddchan @ 11/29/2007 11:03:57 PM

    Also, by accepting more illegals, it doesn't help their own country, they should try to duplicate our form of democracy to improve their own country. This way it helps more people instead of running away from the problem by coming to the US. USe your head, they should fix their own country, and as americans we should help them. And those who ashamed of being american, isn't it ironic that they want to be americans?

  • Posted By: eddchan @ 11/29/2007 11:00:33 PM

    i want to see him compare crime statistics of ILLEGAL immigrants to those that came here LEGALLY. Listen i don't mind immigrants but those that come here illegally can destroy the economy. And people like Christopher Dickey, think they're slick in making it a issue about immigration but its about those that sneak in to this country. They're not immigrants but tresspassers.

    E. Chan

  • Posted By: eddchan @ 11/29/2007 10:57:09 PM

    i want to see him compare the crimes committed by ILLEGAL immigrants compared to those Immigrants that came here LEGALLY.

  • Posted By: Slackidasical @ 11/29/2007 5:11:17 PM

    I am an immigrant myself. I do not enjoy people telling me that I am a "cancer" in this. I pay my taxes just the same as you.

    • Posted By: free067 @ 11/29/2007 9:17:35 PM

      I didn't get to finish my post. Anyway, I think "heinz 57" is correct. Anyway, I am a mixture of several nationalities.

  • Posted By: lgcgmfpllgg @ 11/29/2007 3:20:11 PM

    I wish that the children of most US citizens had the passion and drive to learn like the immigrants' children do.
    I wish that the children of most US citizens had the repect and manners of the immigrants' children.
    I wish that most US parents would take the responsibility to have their children attend school daily, prepared, clean and feed like the immigrants' children.
    It seems that more and more US parents are willing to blame everyone and anyone for their child's poor performance at school, in the community, in life...generally the expectations are very low.
    Immigrants expect their children to learn English, do well in school, behave in the community and have good lives.

    As US citizens, we need to stop expecting handouts, making excuses for ourself and our children. The US adults need to start setting be examples for our children.

    • Posted By: ApolloKnowsAll @ 11/29/2007 7:46:26 PM

      cover story in the Seattle Times yesterday was how the school district is going to let tons of 'passionate and driven' [according to you] 'students' who can't speak English.
      They are so driven that they don't even learn the language of the country
      Yes, English is required here. Do you want a multilingual country? Why?? They do not work. Belgium is on the brink of sploitting in two because of flemish/french...Canada nd le canada hate each other...my ancestors were Briti.... my ancestors were British, Danish Swedish, German, ...and I speak English and French, but my grndparetnts could not have communicated had they not integrated.

      • Posted By: free067 @ 11/29/2007 9:09:35 PM

        Why do you defend them? Maybe you should go live in Mexico where a lot of our big manufacturing companies went so they could hire cheap labor and put more money in their pockets. The children HAVE to learn how to speak English because the parents won't. The government keeps on taking parents responsibilities away for disciplining them so what kind of adults do you think they will make?

    • Posted By: Auntie Mae @ 11/29/2007 3:24:28 PM

      Aparently, you're not a teacher.

      • Posted By: ApolloKnowsAll @ 11/29/2007 7:48:22 PM

        US citizens 'we need to stop expecting handouts??????? We are the ones getting robbed by these invaders!! Stop stealing from US citizens!!! Free healthcare, free education, free food, housing, etc. etc. etc.
        First you break into my country and now you steal my taxdollars? Come here legally

  • Posted By: spwoods @ 11/29/2007 6:10:41 PM

    People need to read more history...the things the racists are proclaiming in their invective against this article sound exactly like the racists who opposed Chinese immigrants in California and Irish and Italian immigrants in New York in the 19th century. Somethings never change -- the ignorant children of immigrants forget where they came from and how their people were treated and spew their hate on the new immigrants.

    • Posted By: ApolloKnowsAll @ 11/29/2007 7:52:06 PM

      What would happen to you if you used fake ID to get a job and apply for federal benefits?

      ID Fraud. Felony. You would lose voting rights and would go to jail. Illegal alien doing it? No big deal...Mike Huckabee would give you an instate scholarship!

  • Posted By: khsings @ 11/29/2007 3:06:03 PM

    Bravo, JDark, Bravo!

    I couldn't have said it better myself. On the newly released movie "Knocked Up", there is a scene were the lead guy tells the lead girl that he's Canadian and living here illegally. Hahaha, it's funny, right? He continues the jokes with how great it is because he doesn't have to pay taxes. Hahaha, more laughs! But it wouldn't be funny AT ALL if it were a Mexican making the same remarks simply because the majority of the US believe Illegal=Mexican which therefore = more taxes for us to pay.

    I lived six months in Mexico teaching English as a foreign language and realized many important things. They are the kindest, most heartfelt, warm and welcoming people I've ever had the privilege to know and more often than not, I am ashamed to be an American. Our greedy, selfish, cold hearts only make this country a ticking time-bomb, and I hope I'm not around when it goes off.

    • Posted By: ApolloKnowsAll @ 11/29/2007 7:51:04 PM

      French illegal? Go home. Canadian/? Go home. Peruvian illegal? Go home.
      If you have broken our laws, why should I be forced to kow tow to you? Individual people are nice, but they are still criminals. Violating international boundaries,identity theft and fraud. Serious issues.
      Think about it. What would happen to you if you used fake ID to get a job and apply for federal benefits?

  • Posted By: ApolloKnowsAll @ 11/29/2007 7:40:59 PM

    We are a nation of laws. What part of ILLEGAL do you try to rationalize? Invading America with the desire of 'reconquista' and you think that is ok?

    We have legal paths to citizenship. Breaking in and violating our borders does not make me want to welcome you in. Apply for legal status and then see how welcomed you are. Open arms!! But break in through the back door and my dog will bite your butt and not let go until you leave.

  • Posted By: dolamite@shentel.net @ 11/29/2007 4:20:06 PM

    ANOTHER BLEEDING HEART MISINFORMED LIBERAL!!! YOU MAKE UP YOUR OWN TRUTH.

  • Posted By: rlapaugh @ 11/29/2007 3:30:15 PM

    What CRAP! Try living in Larado, Tx. and tell me about the low crime rate. The place is like Iraq wit
    opposing sides armed with machine guns and grenade launchers! Or come to one of the border states
    and watch as your schools, hospitals, jails, roads and every public place is over-run with non-English speaking, NON-PAYING, mobs!!!!! You are just another "pointy headed liberal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: rlapaugh @ 11/29/2007 3:28:16 PM

    What CRAP! Try living in Larado, Tx. and tell me about the low crime rate. The place is like Iraq wit
    opposing sides armed with machine guns and grenade launchers! Or come to one of the border states
    and watch as your schools, hospitals, jails, roads and every public place is over-run with non-English speaking, NON-PAYING, mobs!!!!! You are just another "pointy headed liberal"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Posted By: Auntie Mae @ 11/29/2007 3:18:07 PM

    You are only choosing to portray a certain image, kshings. I, too, have lived and worked in two different foreign countries. I, as well, find most foreigners I have met to be kind, warm-hearted, and fun-loving. I also agree with you that most persons in the U.S. falsely believe that illegal=Mexican. HOWEVER, I don't think that there is ANYTHING greedy, selfish, nor cold-hearted about demanding that our leaders impose national standards for all people who want to live and work within our borders. That, my friend, is PRACTICAL and SENSIBLE. I'll tell you something else...because the majority of my college friends and co-workers are foreign nationals (I earned a Master's Degree in Spanish Literature), I have found that the overwhelming majority of persons here on student and/or work visas feel that the U.S. SHOULD be doing more to stop illegal immigration, as it hampers the process and reputation of those who wait patiently for their LEGAL paperwork to come through. As I'm sure even you can appreciate, there ARE two sides to your story.

  • Posted By: khsings @ 11/29/2007 3:14:52 PM

    Bravo, JDark, Bravo!

    I couldn't have said it better myself. In the newly released comedy "Knocked Up" there is a scene were the lead guy is telling the lead girl that he's actually Canadian and living in the US illegally. Hahaha, funny, right? The jokes continue with him saying it's great because he doesn't have to pay taxes. Hahaha, more laughs! But none of this would be funny if it were a Mexican speaking because the majority of the US believes that Illegal=Mexican which therefore = more taxed for us "hard-working" (yeah right) Americans to pay.

    I lived six months in Mexico, teaching English as a foreign language and learned many imortant things. They were the kindest, more heart-felt, warm and welcoming people I've ever had the privilege to know and more often than not, I am ashamed to be an American. Our greedy, cold, selfish hearts make this country a ticking time-bomb. I sure hope I'm not around when it goes off.

  • Posted By: whatisthisnationdoing @ 11/29/2007 2:53:38 PM

    Lets just proposed that all the illegal immigrants in the US were deported. OK! Well who would be left to do all of the jobs that are hard labor and jobs that a so called " Respectable Amercian" wouldn't be caught doing do just to earn a dollar? Who would pick the vegetables, construct fancy homes for pennies on the dollar? Anyone have an answer? Thats what I thought !!! And if I remember history , I believe that Native American Indians were the first people of this land, not the people that think that they have a GOD given right to exist in this country. Who murder,raped, and destoryed the land and way of life of the Native American Indians? Ancestors of Immigrants, the so called Americans of this country.

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