A Big Dose of Skepticism

Those 'amazing new treatments' usually aren't so amazing.

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  • Posted By: bambi @ 01/21/2008 6:45:08 PM

    Adler states that he will no longer report on "any amazing new treatments for anything." I wish he'd reconsider his position. How the heck does he expect companies like ours to peddle our valueless diet supplements if medical writers such as he are going around giving credence to wild ideas like the need for scientific rigor and statistical analyses of medical claims? That's outrageous! If it weren't for a naive public clamoring for quick diet fixes, that kind of reckless rhetoric could put us out of business.

    I hope he appreciates our position that selling bogus products and services to gullible consumers is challenging enough without introducing facts to cloud the marketing equation. Just visit our website (www.FatChanceDiets.com) and you will see that we've got too good of a thing going to let science play a role.

    Thank you for your understanding.

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    Fat Chance Diets
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  • Posted By: UnBreak Your Health @ 12/28/2007 7:36:12 PM

    Perhaps Mr. Adler should also read Sharon Brownlee's book "OVERTREATED - Why Too Much Medicine Is Making Us Sicker And Poorer". The fact of the matter is much of mainstream medicine's therapies and treatments are never double-blind tested either and the financial structure of the current system is literally killing people. For Mr. Adler and the AMA to talk about "protecting people" is the pot calling the kettle black when 90,000 people die every year in hospitals from infections. Have you heard about any CAM therapy killing that many people in a year?

  • Posted By: vfinnell @ 12/19/2007 11:15:58 PM

    I did not find this column helpful at all. In fact, it grossly mischaracterizes complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) as "something you hear about from your hairdresser, who thinks she saw it on Oprah."

    Lumping acupuncture in this group is also very misinformed (I am NOT an acupuncturist). In fact, the NIH Consensus Statement on acupuncture states, in part, "There are other situations such as addiction, stroke rehabilitation, headache, menstrual cramps, tennis elbow, fibromyalgia, myofascial pain, osteoarthritis, low back pain, carpal tunnel syndrome, and asthma, in which acupuncture may be useful as an adjunct treatment or an acceptable alternative or be included in a comprehensive management program. Further research is likely to uncover additional areas where acupuncture interventions will be useful."

    Clearly, more research is needed but Adler's unqualified and unprofessional opinion undermines the work of thousands of reputable scientists who are working on CAM within the NIH and in other academic settings.

    Val W. Finnell, MD
    For more information about acupuncture: www.medicalacupuncture.org

  • Posted By: donnapf @ 12/11/2007 9:11:34 AM

    As usual, people with deep personal attachment to these beliefs have a hissy fit when cold reality rears it's ugly head. Great point of view. As a nutrition professional, anytime a miracle diet rears it's ugly head, my response continues to be "Show Me The Thin People". So far, I haven't seen any.

  • Posted By: studentUK @ 12/09/2007 5:41:43 PM

    Oh dear. It's getting rather late but honestly the vast majority of comments here just make me want to cry. Please, please I beg of you stop hiding behind ludicrous arguments about evil drug companies and how they've managed to bribe/fool every GP, research unit and medical journal going. Yes, drug companies can be very unsavoury things but the point remains if they thought they could prove homeopthy worked- THEY'D BE SELLING IT. Homeopathic pills with not on single molecule of active ingredient in them (fact. pour every pill in the shop into a bin and- it's been admitted after labeling problems in the UK- *there is no way to tell them apart*. hmmm) are cheap to make. The drug companies would be happily jumping on the bandwaggon if they could. Also how, exactly, is it that people have decided that the companies making homepathic pills are so nice and lovely? They're doing the same thing, just without the clinical trials that prove their stuff works. And yes i know homepathy can't kill anyone like real drugs. That's hardly an argument for its efficacy.
    On the note of medical journals- if they are so hideously biased why is that the BMJ's most referenced and read articles are investigations into bad drugs/drug side effects?

    Mr Sam Rose. (btw I am also a certified nutrionist. Why? Cos I can say that perfectly legally despite being a 21 year old student with no other qualifications) Why on earth is the fact that acupuncture etc predates modern medecine necessarily a good thing? People have had a lot of silly ideas about the body and medicine over the centuries, age in this case is not a recommendation.

    Oh, and since you're all so keen on anecdotal evidence here's some for you- I suffering chronic insomnia as a child and 2 months of homepathy (4 pills a day, occasional adjustments in prescriptions, nice man talking about my well being etc) when I was biased infavour of homeopathy (the gullability of the young) did absolutely nothing. GP dosed me to sleep until i recovered enough to talk about things with a psychiatrist, was off the pills and sleeping soundly in 2 weeks. My mother still hasn't learned tho and my dog's cruciate ligament is suffering for it...

    • Posted By: furryboots @ 12/11/2007 2:00:39 AM

      StudentUK says
      "Homeopathic pills with not one single molecule of active ingredient in them"
      As a homeopath, I agree for most remedies.
      But that has nothing to do with how the remedy works. There is also no "active ingredient" in a magnet. Would you then say that magnets do not work to pick up steel pins because chemical analysis shows no pin-picking-up substance nor can it measure the strength of the magnet?
      BOTH magnets and homeopathic remedies work using energy - not chemistry.
      You may know that when a magnet is manufactured, it is rubbed or filed to give it magnetism - which till then is completely absent in the newly manufactured "future magnet".
      Same with homeopathy. If the remedy is just diluted to get rid of (chemically induced) side effects it will lack medicinal power. To make a remedy it has to banged many times energetically - to add energy that is stored and that has healing power. An energy message is given to the body - not a chemical one.

      "I suffering chronic insomnia as a child and 2 months of homeopathy (4 pills a day,"
      Four pills a day is not homeopathy - and doing it for 2 months without results would be very far from homeopathy. [Homeopathy is defined in the Organon of Medicine by Hahnemann; free online for anyone to read and check up on their homeopath.]
      I am sorry you went to someone who did not have appropriate training in homeopathy. The consumer is not yet as familiar with good homeopathy credentials (D.I.Hom from BIH/USA for example) as they are with good conventional ones (MD for example).
      Have an open mind and look for quality the same way as in any other profession - with credentials, full-time experience and referrals.
      Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.

    • Posted By: professorPaul @ 12/10/2007 1:06:50 PM

      Sadly, studentUK, you are naive to think that drug companies would sell things that worked. It's like thinking that ClearChannel would broadcast liberal talk shows if only they made money. Economists have long ago shown that people (and institutions) act against their financial self interest when their beliefs get in the way. The Lancet has published on homeopathy. Sorry it didn't work for you.

    • Posted By: professorPaul @ 12/10/2007 1:02:01 PM

      You seem like a smart-enough fellow, studentUK, just a little young and naive. Imagining that the drug companies would sell something if it worked is like thinking that Clear-Channel would broadcast a liberal talk-show if they thought it would generate ad revenues. It's making the false assumption that people and institutions only ever act out of financial self-interest, when we know that people often act out of their beliefs.

  • Posted By: furryboots @ 12/11/2007 12:34:40 AM

    > Jerry Adler wrote:
    [http://www.newsweek.com/id/73283]
    > > It's not too soon to start thinking about New Year's resolutions, and
    > > here's mine, as a medical writer: I will not report on any amazing new
    > > treatments for anything, unless they were tested in large, randomized,
    > > placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical trials published in
    > > high-quality peer-reviewed medical journals.

    Diddums.
    And I shall not report on any amazing health improvement results unless
    they are individualized to the person or animal who is ill, the medicine
    has no side effects, and it builds resistance to recurrence instead of
    just making symptoms seem invisible for a while.
    And Mr Adler I challenge you to find even ONE such event that meets YOUR
    criteria as well.

    If you find none - then obviously your criteria are artificial and
    useless for measuring improved health or efficacy of medicine.

    Namaste,
    Irene
    -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

  • Posted By: furryboots @ 12/11/2007 12:32:56 AM

    > Jerry Adler wrote:
    [http://www.newsweek.com/id/73283]
    > > It's not too soon to start thinking about New Year's resolutions, and
    > > here's mine, as a medical writer: I will not report on any amazing new
    > > treatments for anything, unless they were tested in large, randomized,
    > > placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical trials published in
    > > high-quality peer-reviewed medical journals.

    Diddums.
    And I shall not report on any amazing health improvement results unless
    they are individualized to the person or animal who is ill, the medicine
    has no side effects, and it builds resistance to recurrence instead of
    just making symptoms seem invisible for a while.
    And Mr Adler I challenge you to find even ONE such event that meets YOUR
    criteria as well.

    If you find none - then obviously your criteria are artificial and
    useless for measuring improved health or efficacy of medicine.

    Namaste,
    Irene
    -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom. P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220. www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.) "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

  • Posted By: amorifera @ 12/09/2007 2:11:53 PM

    So Mr. Adler believes that "large, randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical trials published in high-quality peer-reviewed medical journals" are the only treatments to be considered legitimate? The "peers" who review these medical journals are doctors of conventional medicine who have a stake in what is published there. Wouldn't that be something like the fox guarding the henhouse? And who died and left the allopaths in charge? Where in Mr. Adler's article does it mention the millions of people who have died from treatments using conventional medicine and drugs? And how much funding for these trials is provided by large pharmaceutical companies with a stake in the outcome? It seems to me the successful use of holistic medicine is eating into their profit margins.

    Homeopathy has been used for centuries with no harm to patients, and no bad side-effects. It is not a form of healing that can be tested in the same way as pharmaceutical drugs. There are plenty of studies that show the efficacy of homeopathy, though (surprise, surprise!) the journals of conventional medicine choose not to publish those.

    Homeopathic remedies are different for each individual, so if ten people walk in with a headache, it is possible that no two of these people would receive the same remedy. To compare allopathy (conventional medicine) with homeopathy is like comparing apples and oranges. Each has their place in the healing arts, but one should not dictate the practices of the other.

    Laurel Avery

  • Posted By: fledgeling @ 12/08/2007 11:25:54 PM

    It's great to see a genuine skeptic, one who doesn't decide ahead of time what the evidence will show. But several claims in Mr Adler's article warrant a little skepticism of their own.


    "If someone really does cure cancer???whether a drug company researcher or a Tibetan herbalist???The New England Journal of Medicine or The Journal of the American Medical Association will be happy to publish the news."

    I'm sorry to tell you that without knowing the financial independence of both journals, such a claim is impossible to substantiate. It's well-known that one of the more prestigious U.K. medical journals has turned to unsubstantiated muckraking in its latest edition for exactly that reason.


    "Their papers get published because the editors of journals in fields like homeopathy start from the premise that the whole thing isn't a preposterous hoax, as Bausell and most mainstream doctors believe."

    If what most mainstream doctors believe has any relevance, then surely what a large number of doctors and specialists practising homoeopathy believe is just as relevant. Belief is not a solid basis for conclusions bearing on the lives of medical patients. By contrast, a premise such as the premise that the article implicitly criticises editors such as me of basing publishing decisions upon may arise not from belief but from the conclusions of many high-quality studies arbitrarily excluded in The Lancet's badly flawed and highly criticised but always quoted 2005 meta-analysis of homoeopathic clinical trials.

    The allegations of hoax as the basis of microdoses and ultradilutions ignore a fact openly acknowledged in physics journals: that homoeopathic high potencies are measurably different from mere ultradilutions.

    More importantly, they ignore that homoeopathy does not depend and never has on ultradilutions or ultra potencies (potencies using dilutions beyond Avogadro's limit for reasonable chance that a molecule of the original medicine remains in the resultant medicine). Homoeopathy can be practised almost entirely without dilution or potency. The value of potencies is that they modify the force of a medicine that can otherwise prove a little strong for the patient already suffering the symptoms the medicine can cause.

    The peer-reviewed journal Similia, which I edit, makes its editorial decisions based on just one premise: that the substance capable of removing the entirety of a patient's illness is that substance that can most closely reproduce the patient's symptoms in the healthy. That premise remains almost undisputed in modern medicine.

    Yours sincerely,

    John Harvey
    Editor, Similia

  • Posted By: randor @ 12/08/2007 8:23:21 PM

    I sent in the following letter to the editor:
    Before Adler makes his resolution to "not report ??? new treatments ??? unless ??? tested in large, randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical trials published in high quality peer-reviewed medical journals" he would do well to read Dr Coulter on The Controlled Clinical Trial. The CCT is supposed to be the "gold standard" but its misplaced faith, not only due to a corrupted process but by the very nature of the CCT.


    Choose a population that is homogeneous (similar) then it says little about individuals who are not similar (e.g. women and children, left out of most studies or those sicker or healthier or having different symptoms or health histories than the study population). Choose a population that is very heterogeneous then it is difficult to get consistent results. So the drug companies do their studies on narrowly defined groups picking only doctors who have given them good results in the past.



    So you can see how the Vioxx fiasco occurred and with billions at stake these disasters will continue to happen.



    Alternative medical practices are usually more individualized which requires more time, effort and expense than just giving everyone the same drug and aren???t bankrolled by pharmaceutical giants. Thus the studies tend to be much smaller and not published in more mainstream journals. Non-mainstream science appears in non-mainstream journals.

  • Posted By: rosenutrition @ 12/06/2007 11:35:33 AM

    Mr. Adler suggests that any improvements people experience under complimentary and alternative health care can be attributed to the placebo effect and places the number of these highly suggestible people at roughly 30% of subjects studied. That statistic was a surprise to me, as I???m sure it was to the thousands of other complimentary health care practitioners around the world who rely on the referrals of satisfied clients and patients. A 30% success rate wouldn???t keep any of us in business for very long.

    The objects of Mr. Adler???s scorn, acupuncture, homeopathy and nutritional therapy, all predate modern medicine. They do no harm, something modern medicine cannot claim, and, in this writers opinion, do much good.

    Sam Rose
    Certified Nutritionist

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/02/2007 2:11:38 PM

    If someone really does cure cancer???whether a drug company researcher or a Tibetan herbalist???The New England Journal of Medicine or The Journal of the American Medical Association will be happy to publish the news.
    This is so inaccurate it hurts, JAMA and the New England journal only print what the AMA approves of peroid!!!

    • Posted By: Shankardada2 @ 12/03/2007 11:13:21 AM

      JAMA and the New England Journal of Medicine are journals that are edited and reviewed by prestigious medical institutions around the country. Biostatisticians, physicians, and basic scientists review any work that is submitted to them. They, like any magazines (including Newsweek and Alternative Health magazines) are subject to some institutional bias. But every effort is taken to keep an open mind and apply the scientific method to new ideas. I would trust JAMA, which is in every physician's office, over "Alternative Medicine Monthly" which is on every grocery store checkout counter.

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/02/2007 1:49:27 PM

    I'll even bet good money that this guy will say O2 Bar bad! Bet you he will say clean pure o2 is bad for your health!! To bad he would be speaking a lie, plain and simple, nothing wrong or dangerous about an o2 Bar! [unless you try to lite a smoke inside] but still very very healthy for the body in whole!!!

    • Posted By: Shankardada2 @ 12/03/2007 11:07:30 AM

      I don't know what the "O2 Bar" is, but I can tell you without a doubt that 100% clean pure O2 is indeed bad for your health. 100% O2 for prolonged periods leads to damage to your lungs and other organs. Humans evolved on a 20% ambient oxygen environment. Pure O2 is a very unstable and reactive entity. It causes release of free radicals in your lungs and bloodstream which will severely damage you. Not to mention pure O2 is a severe fire hazard.

  • Posted By: Shankardada2 @ 12/03/2007 11:03:36 AM

    Nothing has changed since the time of Mark Twain??? Are you insane, or just dumb? Life spans have increased by decades, we can now CURE cancer most of the time when caught early, heart attacks no longer kill, and people with diabetes no longer die by age 20. In large part, this is due to the great strides in modern medicines (chemotherapy, anticoagulants, antihypertensives, antihyperlipidemics, etc.). Drug company profits and advertising budgets need to be rained in, I agree. But don't be demagogue the issue and don't be a fool. Because I know that you will be more than happy to see your orthopedist when your chiropracter messes you up or your oncologist when that lump in your breast continued to grow despite your "chinese" herbal remedies, or when you start getting unexpained chest and arm pain. As for feeling "great" after menopause, I know dozens of women who feel great after menopause and they took NOTHING. Menopause is NOT a medical condition. It is life. So in reality, you shouldn't NEED anything for it, other than time. But I'm sure your placebos help your mind.

  • Posted By: noveldoc @ 12/02/2007 11:23:24 PM

    Now If you want to take cynicism to the next level, check out the marketing hype, half truths and even some outright lies the drug companies heap on your doctor to promote their wares. And now they are heaping it on you, poor consumer, directly on TV and in magazines. Just because that drug rep presents a study or even an FDA approved study, does not mean you can trust his information. Nothing has changed since Mark Twain said theri were lies, damned lies and then there were statistics.

    'Twas a time when state of the art physicians prescribed dog dung and bat guano for their patients. These days, the drug companies are serving up large portions of bovine excreta to all of us.

    A Disgust Doc

  • Posted By: 48inmenopause @ 12/02/2007 5:19:41 PM

    Until you suffer from something so debilitating as artritis and the conventional might kill you before it helps than you can critisize the people who try the unconventional. The AMA was is Waikiki last month, you know what I saw a bunch of overweight over indugent sick looking people. I am a food server in Waikiki and saw them eating "junk" everyday. I don't think I will ever follow any of their recomendations I never want to look like them or be with someone who looks like that. I am 48 in menopause and feeling great because of my choice of alternitive way of life, thanks to my own God given logic . Thank you but no thank you for your ill information!!!!

  • Posted By: Shankardada2 @ 12/02/2007 5:03:25 PM

    People who buy medications or engage in alternative therapies that lack FDA approval are just being plain silly. This is not to say that all FDA-approved medications are absolutely safe. But peer-reviewed literature has shown them to do what they say they do. And if the alternative medicines are so good, then why does almost every independently performed study show that they do nothing at best, and delay potentially life saving treatment at worst?

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/02/2007 2:14:09 PM

    Mr Adler also approved Vioxx, time told a different story, did it not, but i bet he sold his stock ASAP, before they lost in court for being a dirty drug!

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/02/2007 1:45:40 PM

    This is going to be you? Marijuana bad, Maranol good [syth THC with all toxic side effects cost 2500 per pill] pot 100 an oz last from 2wks to a month! Maranol megaprofits a pharm company who made it while we are being told "There is no medical use for marijuana" and smoking or growing personel is a federal offence at 46,000 per day to keep them in prison! The drugs you approved last year have already lost there class action law suits for being DEADLY! Go figure in the "Take a pill" era" find a non-drug way to treat, slow or cure is snake oil? Drugs which cost more than the 250,000 dollar home you bought plus the drugs to treat side effects and drugs to treat the side effects of the side effect drugs and so on in Media friendly or profitable! This is your way of saying if it's an American only test, and results, just for profit, you approve, to pamper your stock value! If it does not, or was not approved by the USA only, then it's snake oil ,weather you know it works or not-right! Like pot, grown bad, man made for profit, good! Take a pill if you own stock. Open your mind if you don't, we don't need this guy with alt. motives, to tell us what is, or is not good, for us!

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