that should say the bad behavior OF our race.
Sean Taylor's death proved one thing. Young black men are stigmatized as gangstas, asking for trouble.
that should say the bad behavior OF our race.
It is extremely sad that African-American men have to consistently prove themselves. People of all races exhibit bad behavior but somehow only the bad behavior or our race seems to be remembered and glorified. I am truly disgusted by it and beyond that am sick and tired!
that s right
ILL GEE-
I understand your opinion in relation to self responsibility but what does it have to do with the article? I am a product of the single family home, I am educated and I too had to overcoming obstacles but this article, most media and some of the people on this board have a "you most have done something to deserve it" type of an attitude towards African-Americans regardless of whether an African American committed a crime or was a victim of a crime. I can turn on the News and count down to the second of when I???m going to receive the ???everything wrong in the black community" report. Seriously, if an African American is the culprit or the victim of a stabbing, shooting, robbery, murder or if they are simply trying to run for office the media give an update. It doesn???t matter how self-determined and disciplined you are, this is lop-sided coverage of the African -American community and it is discouraging to our youth. No one community can boast they have less crime than the other. Crime happens in every race not just in the black community. If Americans are going to get the "everything wrong with the black community" report from the media ???the window to all nations, then this type of report should be provided for every race but if we as Americans are going to continue raving to other nations that we treat everyone equally it???s time to end this selective chastising.
Well said my friend!
i am a young white woman and I can say that black men are the problem. They all white women like me and I certainly would never talk to one of these animals. I think that we should be tougher on blacks and start to put them in special camps so we can keep a close eye on them.
Watch what you say. The delight you plan for yourself and the turmoil you plan for others can be your closed casket six feet under and the jubilation of others.
No... you can't say that black men are the problem. You have no sustainable proof of that. After reading my last post, can you say that I am an animal? Is that how you view all balck men? Is that how you view someone like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr? Is that how you view someone like Donnie Simpson? Is that how you view someone like Muhammad Ali or a Barak Obama? Is that how you view Colin Powell? Tiger Woods? Magic Johnson? How about the many Black inventors, doctors, and scientist who helped produce the very products that you use and enjoy in your everyday life. Your comment is unsubstantiated and blanketed to fit your own purposes and twisted views of the African American male. Don't be surprised if your daughter brings one of these so-called animals home one day. You waste too much time sitting in front of the "idiot box" and not enough time out in the real world interacting with people. The same animal that you claim is the issue may be the same animal that saves your life one day.
hay southerngal some brother was giving you to much milk .sterilized i can tell you how to stop the problem keep your southern legs close for a while .......... have a nice day .your pal the thug........
ILLGEE, your comments started out intelligently enough, but like other brain-washed negroes, you are blind to what your eyes are showing you--then you began to put your foot in your mouth.
First of all, why do black people like you say stupid *** like "Black folks need to stop using White folks as an excuse". We don't. But we are going to point out *** when we smell it. Most Black people like myself (I just turned fifty) have never pointed out, or reported racial slurs on the job, bigoted co-workers or supervisors, and predjudice restaurant workers. Most Blacks like myself NEVER complain about racism--even when we were justified in doing so. We simply live in an era now when whitey can't get away with the *** they use to get away with. As Malcolm X once said in the early sixties..."We now have a Black man on the scene who refuse to turn the other cheek". And tahe honkies today--along with their parents and grandparents--can't stomach the fact that Blacks will now kick their asses if they are crossed.
Oh, yeah...How can you be best friends with people who will stab you in the back the first chance they get? And smile in your face while they're doing it. Stay on guard--BROTHER.
and southerngal, just cause you had to wed your cousin doesn;t give you the right to make such a disgusting statement.
You, my dear, should be spayed before you inflict any futrther damage on the world as it needs people like you like I need a 2nd as_hole.
Your mother would/should be ashamed of you.
If all the Negroes would be sterilized then they wouldn't reproduce and the world would be a better place
Personally, I think most of the posts here are a bunch of crap. I am an African American male, 30+ years old, married with 3 children, raised in Brooklyn, NY and has never been to jail... not once. I have seen and been a victim of prejudice. Did I let those experiences take control of my life? No. You have the power to shape your own future. You have the God-given power to make your own choices in life. No one ever said that the choices we make are easy ones. My father was an alcoholic and my mom is a recovering drug addict. I chose to take what I saw around me and do the opposite. Being black and growing up in the environment that I did, you would think that I'd be screwed up... locked in a cell or dead. Race isn't the real issue here. The real issue has to do with choices and finding the bravery...the courage.... to do what is right... to do what is morally correct. We were all born with free will. Try using it once in a while. Black folks need to stop using White folks as an excuse. Yes, there are still race issues out there. I can't deny that. But we can't let those issues consume us and shape who we are as a people. When you look back to the Civil Rights era... our people were strong... when you look back to the slavery era... again, our people were strong... if you go through Africa's history our people were kings and queens. Why is it that in this present day and age our people are so weak-minded? Why are we so weak spiritually? Take responsibility for your lives. There is always a way out. It's called "choices". Where there is a will there is a way. Most folks aren't "willing" to make a change. They are too stuck and comfortable in their ways to do something positive. They think that they'll be considered "soft" or an "uncle tom" if they choose to leave the hood for a better life. To me, that's a sign of weakness. Why wouldn't you want better for yourself? Why wouldn't you want better for your family? We all, Black and White, need to stop blaming each other for past sufferings and work toward building healthier futures for our families; which will in turn build better communities; which will then lead to a better country. It starts with self. Instead of spreading all the hate mail that i've read on this discussion board, how about we all take a real long look at ourselves and find out what we can do for ourselves to get the results that we desire. Hate begats more Hate. My brothers and sisters, how is it that we can physically fight with our own and somehow find a way to end up being best friends later on down the road? I know I'm not the only one that has seen it happen. People that you couldn't stand a few years ago are now your best friends. Why should race be any different?
Bottom line here, most folks are legally grown.... and the majority of those still got a lot of growing up to do.
mamaof3,,are you telling me that you dont know about white privilage?if you dont then i cant help you,,obviously you must think that there is an even playing field for whites and blacks in america,,you must think that minorities are treated as fairly as white are in all aspects of our society,,,explaining white privilage to you would be a waste of time,,,,,and to karekrash,,it wont be long before barack is reminded who he is,,after he won in iowa whitey woke up and realised that this is getting serious,,thats why he lost New Hampshire,,,any one who thinks america is ready for a black man to lead is a fool,,,barack is the only nominee being protected by the secret sevice(other than hillary,she was first lady),since march,,and why is that? because of the amount of racist death threats he gets,,,only whites have been president,,thats one privilege right there mama//
to 93jaguar, Oh I am sorry I must have misunderstood you i thought that you knew about all of the privilages that I enjoy just because I am white. It sounded to me like you had a book stating you are missing out on this because you are not white. My mistake. No I do not think that minorities are treated fairly in all aspects of life but then again that may be because I live in what is considered a black neighbor hood in a black part of town and my kids used to go to a school where they were the only white kids in their class. So I would say that their have been times that I have not been treated fairly because I am a minorty in my little corner of the world. So you see the race card can be played both ways and looked at from many diffent angles. Oh and on the subject of presidents no their has never been a black president and I can not say if that is a good or a bad thing but their has also never been a woman president and you don't hear me complaining about that do you. Racial equality is not something that will come about because minorities think that they deserve it , it will come to be when all of us can look past color and see people. I for one am sick and tired of having to show respect to black people because of things that happened before I was even born. So please walk away from the mirror and forget about your skin color for one moment and think about what kind of person you are and would like your children to be rather than playng the blame game with me just because I happen to have a lighter skin color. By the way I read your comment about whiteys anccestors well for your information my ancestors went through a little thing called the Holocaust, and came to America to get away from racism. I would also like to add that my husband is German, so because some Germans many years ago did unspeakable thing to my family should I hate him and expect him to repay me for those wrongs. NO! Get over it everything that happened in this country before the civil right movement happened, happened period. There is nothing that anyone can do to change that but you need to remember that that was the past. So I say to you and everyone else who wants to get on me about what whitey did to their race decades ago, Get over it, I never made you sit at the back of the bus just like my husband had nothing to do with what happened before and during WWII.
Get over it huh? It is amazing how many people talk about "getting over it" but don't REALLY want to talk about what it is we need to get over. People talk about what happened "Before they were even born", not even listening to what people of color are saying is occurring now in this country. You can read up and down this comment board and see that there are issues and prejudices that seem to be much deeper than just "getting over it". Most African-Americans are productive citizens in this country, but if we say "anything" about a percieved prejudicial slight, we are pigeon-holed into some "complaining/not wanting to wok/always making excuses/welfare recipients. Maybe just maybe if you would take the time to listen, you would find that there is layers of substance to the concerns of "most" African-Americans.
to raven never sad jews were a minority. Yes I am white, sorry I guess I should be ashamed by the color of my skin and I should also tell my children I am sorry that I married a white man because they have to white to. I never said that you did anything to me but you should realize that I never did anything to you either. I admit that there are racial inequalities in this country but you know what that is not my fault either. I would like to know where you get offcalling me a pathetic, filthy, murduring, incest happy child molester. What kind of crap is that and if that is the way that you feel about us honkies then you are the raciest not me. To writer, yes get over it, move on with your life and try to look toward the future and not to the injustices of the past. I have listened to what people are saying on this board and what I do not see is anyone saying that yes this is something that is causing a problem in our culture, This is the last post I will be making because no matter what I say it will be turned aroud and made to sound racist because I am white and I could never understand the hardships that other races must face at my hands. So I guess I better get busy boinking my brother, molesting my kids and finding someone of another race to murder so that I can live up to the sterotypes put upon poor filthy, pathetic me by other races because I am white. .
I hope that you will be reading this(because you said that this would be your last post). First let me say that I am not calling you any derogatory names. That is not the person that I am. I am a person who cares deeply about race relations and would hope that people of all colors would respect one another. With that said, the point that I was trying to make in my earlier comments were in regards to you saying for us to "get over it, and how you were not even born when those things happened to us. The fact that you are detached from what is presently going on in this country(Racial Profiling/Red-Lining of Home loans/Sentencing Disparities/School Funding disparities/Job Hiring inequalities/Hate Crimes....ect) leads me to believe that you are not listening at all to what African-Americans are saying PRESENTLY! We are not all running around talking about Slavery and what happened at the turn of the century. You disrespect the intellect of many African-Americans when you speak as if we are a group whining about injustices which happened a hundred years ago or more. As for the Jews (which I believe You are), they have groups set up today to deal with problems of today, yet they still address issues of the past. I do believe that within the past few years your people have recovered monies from banks who held funds collected from Nazi led Germany from WW2. So don't act as if your people do not presently deal with injustices facing them and also dealing with things from thier past that has effected them. Things are not always as simple as "just get over it". It is easy to say, but there are many layers to the problems that people face. Let me ask you this my friend, If your child was molested when they were 8 years old and grew up to be a troubled individual, do you just tell them to "get over it", or do you try to deal with the layers of issues that helped shape their pesent state? It is easy to not connect with the other people when you are not them, but I would hope that you REALLY LISTEN when others are speaking as to REALLY HEAR what they are saying....you may learn something beyond the boundaries of your own personage!
Jews a minority? What a laugh! You're WHITE, too. And how pathetic to hear whites whine about leaving a white country because of "racism", only to come here and practice it. The way you people treat each other is worst than the way blacks are said to treat each other. You talk about not talking about the past, yet you mentioned the so-called holocaust. YOU get over it. WE didn't to that to you, either. You honkies are paathetic, filthy, murdering, incest-happy, child-molesting pigs.
KoreKash, white people like you make me sick when you try to use the words of King. You people don't believe them, nor have any of you had any respect for him King new this, too. It makes me laugh when I hear or read ignorant comments form red necks like you. The days when you white's tell us what we need to do, or who our leaders are have long gone. This is just another example of your superiority complex. Blacks aren't moved by what you think WE all should do. And who are our leaders. How old are you. Oh--I'm glad I disgust you--I was aiming for that. Whites like you are a joke. You try to act as if you're not a bigot, but it's just hard to keep inside, isn't it. Every ignorant word that comes out of your mouth demonstrates your bigotry. Bill Cosby? What? You whites are always trying to pick who speaks for us. Who speaks for whitey? Bush, Newt, Rush...You know nothing about the black community--or who speaks for black Americans. I--like most of my people--speak for myself. .
Raven, you are my god, you are one of the best black racist i come acrossover the last ten years.
Black people must lookup this letter digest it , and save it, you enlightened me with your logic and vast experience of the white sadistic savage barbaric beast, you educate me with your wisdom of their culture life, and morality, the beast have no dignity he or she are sexual devianl, The fathers shagged their daughters and when daddy is finished with her he then passed her on to his sons so they can shagged her as well, please correct me if you may do the sons shagged their mummys as well., that is why we blacks must take of our women, included white women.
hey, 93jaguar, how do you expect people to stop being prejudiced when you use "whitey" to describe white people. Do you describe all people of color as "Colored People" the way white people did in the 50's and 60's? Remember, treat others as you would prefer to be treated....or more simply. lead by example.
Raven, that is one of the most disgusting remarks I have ever heard. You have brought my opinion of this discussion and those involved to a new low....
EasyLay, you wonder why all these guys look at you when you walk down the street? If you look at them the same way you were talking in your post, with disdain, then I am not surprised at all that they look at you as the racist that you are...
They look at me with disdain cause my fiance is beautiful and I am no sack of potatoes, either.
She speaks clearly, is educated, smart, dresses nicely and holds herself like a lady, regardless of her color.
I DO NOT give looks to black guys with white girls. I really don't give a flying fu_k who ANYBODY is with as long as they are with who they want to be with as I am.
Growing up in NY was a mixed bag. I went to school were it was like 1/3 white, 1/3 black and 1/3 everything else. I have black, white, hispanic, asian and even a somalian friend from Minneapolis.
I get along with everyone, except assh_les like 93 jag who is having a prolonged pity party for himself.
We are both college educated, both from less than ideal households and both with a stigma attatched that shouldn't exist, but does............since she is quite dark and I am quite white. But, we love, laugh, cry and suffer the same losses and celebrate the same victories together.............everyday regardless of what some knuckle dragging, uni brow wearing ass_ole on some internet message board says. I know 93jag be "tearing white women up" while his attitudess and actions are tearing race relations down, cause he/she/it is an elitist who thinks everyone should do that it wants.
Fu_k you 93Jag. Grow up and be a man. Go to school, learn a craft or trade and pull your head out of your a__ and realize that nobody, regardless of color, gives a sh_t what you think.
I wouldn't pis_ down your throat if your guts were on fire you racist, self hating moron.
I have to agree with Tipemone on the labeling. I have a very good friend who is white and she is African (Egyptian), but yet, she can't be an African-American. Another friend of mine, who is half-black and is Domenican, yelled at her and told her she was not African and he was more African than she was. This was insulting to her. I am white and I have also lived in Africa. All this "acting white" and "acting black" is such bull. 95% of the black people that I lived with in Africa did not "act black" in the American way of thinking about it. The college I attended there was about 75-80% black and I can tell you that 99.9% of those students "acted white" under our standards. It's all so ridiculous. Prejudice is still so prevalent in our country, and not just from one race, but from all of them.
It wasa white person who first started seperating people by race, and of course, he made HIS race the superior one. Racism, bigotry, and prejudice is the way it is in THIS country because of the imagined-superior image whites have of themselves.
To Topcat53
Stop the???mass murdering, pedophilia, spousal murders, infanticides, sex with men in public toilets, ripping off decent citizens with deceptive business practices, allowing poisonous toys to kill our children, not securing our boarders, and getting us into illegal wars with lies,??? and perhaps we wont think of you as degenerate immoral egotist that are helping destroy American values!
biznesschic1959--you forgot to mention...stop the incest (sex with daughters/sons),spree murdering, serial murdering, coke and meth abuse, banking frauds, check scams, political scandals...the list is to long. You honkies live in the fifty first state--the state of denial.
first of all kore krash check out some of Malcom X's stuff,,im sure the old and the new Malcolm would agree with most of my views,,next thing i will refrain from using the term"whitey",,its a very racist term and is not directed toward the average good white person,,yes i admit there are some,the term refers to this racist establishment thats running things,,you seem you have a little insight to the plight of black males,,now if you just connect the dots on the things you say, you might see things a little differently,,you say that the male missing from the home is one of the main reasons are youth is out of control,i agree,,you also say that 1 out of 3 blackmales is incarcerated,i agree,,but this is where we probably will disagree,,i think that this is by design,the powers that be have always tried to keep the black family broken,,broken families produce broken children,and thats what we are seeing,,but im sure you and most whites think this is just paranoid,racist thinking,,well if im wrong then there must be a genetic disposition for blacks to be violent criminals,,it has to be one of the two,,unless someone knows why black men make up the majority of inmates,,id like to know,please tell me,but krash you did say some thing that i must 100% agree with,,"by recognizing our own ignorance can we recgnize the ignorance of others",,how many whites do you honestly think recognize their own ignorance on this issue?and please lets leave Bill Cosby out of this,,he has lost touch with who he is and whats going on in the black community,,just because he's black doesnt make him an authority or spokesman for whats going on in the hood,he makes a few good points,but his thinking has obviously been shaped by the media also,im sure he doesnt get his info first hand from the hood,,all he knows about his people is what he gets from the media.....
The sad fact is that 1 out of every 3 black men in this country have been or are presently involved in the Criminal Justice System. 70% of African American families in this country are a sinle parent household almost always headed by the mother. Without a sound family structure and a father figure to provide discipline , guidance andlearning nothing is gonna change for blacks in this country. 64% of the murders in this country are commited by African American youth and yet they make up only 25% of the population. Black leaders have to start stressing the importance of the family structure instead of blaming racism on the problems of African Americans. Once the 2 parent family is restored then poverty and crime will begin to decline in the black community, unfortunately i don't see it happening anytime soon. The characterization of Blacks in this country as" Thugs ' i'm sorry to say has been well earned!
Even if 1 out of 3 African-American men are part of the Judicial system, That means that 65% are not! How does America act as if the lesser is the majority? It is this type of terrible calculating that lays the foundation for idiotic racist thinking. If I tell you that 90% of serial killers are white males should people then assume that most white males are serial killers? See how Percetions can be shaped if we let ignorance be our guide?
I find it interesting that whenever a black person commits a crime or is a victim of a crime, the media, people who do not live or positively contribute to the black community or both feels the need to give an update on the dire issues in the black community. For example "70% of African American families in this country are a single parent household almost always headed by the mother". Why is it when during the Columbine incident or the Virginia Tech incident we didn???t hear the media chiming ???For every 100,000 white males 19.6 commits suicide compared to just 9.6% of every 100,000 black males??? or ???86% of white homicide victims are killed by whites???? If you can???t offer an EDUCATED solution why continue quoting the problem? Who does it help? For the record, having a male in the household doesn???t equal reduction in poverty and crime. You will just have two uneducated, under-paid or unemployed people in the same slum of an apartment. How does that solve poverty? As for discipline, in most American families, whether it is single family or two parents household, the matriarch is usually the disciplinary. So, I???m not sure where you people are going with that fantasy. Educational funding in school for under-served communities is shameful. Truly, I don???t see how some of these politicians can say we have the best educational system in the world when most of the children in under-served communities can???t read at an 8th grade ???level. If we are going to say in this country that we believe every man should be treated equally we need to start walking the walk. A child should get the same educational opportunities whether they stay in a prominent community or an impoverished community. This illusion of desegregation in the educational system needs to stop.
Great, Great Post My Friend! Keep on writing!
Black leaders have to start stressing the importance of the family structure instead of blaming racism on the problems of African Americans.
One could also argue that the problems created by racism have also caused the disruption of the familial unit in the black community. People of all colors are essentially the same. If I repressed you and everyone that looks like you for hundreds of years, wouldn't you carry a bit of a chip on your shoulder? This sounds very much like the Dr. Cosby argument. I will agree that this is a beginning, but it comes far from addressing the whole problem.
Also, the statement "The characterization of Blacks in this country as" Thugs ' i'm sorry to say has been well earned!" is just ignorant. How many young black men do you know? Also, most white men in the jails are from lower midlle-class and poor families which also turn out the most "motorcycle type". The guys with the harley-davidson jackets and disheveled beards. Do you immediately assume they are in a biker gang?
This is the type of ignorant thinking that makes it so I can't speak rationally to 93jaguar. You are an "educated redneck" sir, and I hope you will look a bit further into your beliefs instead of taking an intellectually lazy stance on this topic. It means too much to too many, black, white and brown, for it to be taken lightly.
Only by recognizing our own ignorance can we begin to recognize the ignorance of others.
Ok, I am now convinced of it. You are a racist. I do not believe I have ever heard anything from any of the civil rights activists that sound like you. Yes they pointed out many of the things you have, but they did not hate. They also did not stereotype or have such a negative ideal toward the changes that can be made. I have tried to speak form my heart, but I am sorry to say it appears your heart is too cold to receive anything but more hate. You are no different then the white rednecks I have also tried to have a conversation with. You slander and hate, you group an entire race into a single category, you focus on the negative and not the positive. These are actions of hate. You are speaking as if "whitey" is below you. Which is exactly how the rednecks speak of african-americans and anyone else of color. Ignorance breeds ignorance, their is no doubt about that....so I would suggest you confront your own prejudices before you try to speak so strongy about others.
Ffirst of all the people in the civil rights movement thought exactly as i do,,thats why they were marching and fighting against this racist society,,,thay knew exactly what whitey thought of us,,just like i do now,,and another thing the reason whitey has the power is because they are the majority,,for now,,do you think that the people in the civil rights movement would disagree with my thinking,,if so,,tell me which part they wouldnt agree with,,and im not talking about Martin Luther King,,he was a different breed,,most brothers then and now wouldnt let whitey slap them and only turn the other cheek,,and as for the chldren,no i wouldnt want them to have to read this,,but we shouldnt lie to them either,,they should know that they have to be twicw as good as whitey,,and if so that still might not make them equal in whiteys eyes,,you know the thing is whitey hates to face the truth about himself and his ancestors,,everything whitey touches he destroys,,in america or aound the world,,whitey thinks he has the right to tell all peoples of all countries what to do and think, and who to worship
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