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  • Posted By: fsilber @ 12/10/2007 12:02:27 PM

    The thug image was created in the 1960s by such groups as the Black Panther Party and the Black Liberation Army. The "movement" was embraced by leftists of all races, including the white New Left of Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin -- who celebrated black criminals as "the vanguard of the Revolution." What goes around, comes around -- that's why we have today's black-on-black violence. (We see the same effect among the Arabs and Muslims who celebrated anti-Israel terrorism. The result is that now every other internal disagreement is expressed by Muslim-against-Muslim terrorism. Again, what goes around, comes around.)

    Black intellectuals have it within their power to rehabilitate Booker T. Washington's alternative vision for improving the conditions in which black Americans live. It is their own choice; white people really don't have a say in this. If this means saying things that white conservatives like to hear, well so what? What could be better for black progressives, than to have white conservatives on their side?

    • Posted By: mswhyte @ 12/19/2007 5:44:31 AM

      The Black Panthers were far from thugs. They were part of the talented tenth. Or did you not know that the part of the leadership of the Panthers were college students? Please don't try to distort history. The Panthers did not create thug life. The comparison is just not going to work. Remember Bobby Seale was chained and gagged in a courtroom for challenging this nation's racist systems of the time. Or did you forget that? Do you remember that the Chicago police murdered Panther Party members in their sleep? There is a famous photograph of a Chi-Town officer smiling as they carried out body bags.
      Thug life culture and revolutionary culture is not the same.
      It always blows me away when people talk about who is an outlaw. This nation was founded by a group of outlaws. They are now hearlded as the Founding Fathers! They stood up against injustice.
      The very program that feeds American school children in the morning~THAT IS A PROGRAM THAT THE BLACK PANTHERS STARTED! What is thug life about that?

  • Posted By: isaidit @ 12/19/2007 10:42:37 AM

    Just end welfare. It has been a major culprit in the destruction of the nuclear family among lower mincome blacks. While the feminist/liberal fantasy of one day there being a government program big enough to eliminate the need for parenting and erase all of the social ills of the black urban poor, the reality is this is a capitalist nation and you need to raise your kids. As a teacher in Oakland California, I can tell you that there is little reason for the thug factory to stop churning as long as the reward for doing nothing in school and shunning hard work and mainstream America is a pretty comfortable lifestyle. The single mothers in my building brag about paying fifty bucks a month in rent, while I pay close to a thousand. Even barely working, they manage to pull in ten times the rent monthly, and these females, themselves fatherless, will never seek out men who would actually raise their children, and the boys born in these homes perpetuate the cycle of aimlessness, lawlessness, and severe cultural dysfunction.

  • Posted By: SGarey @ 12/18/2007 8:46:19 AM

    Geppetto, perhaps you skipped the part of the history books that show that coercion existed in Africa decades before 1619 when the first slaves were brought to America...Tribal leaders in Africa brutally murdered and sold members of other tribes. Just because Black people were brought to America and indoctrinated with "western ways" that does not mean that violent behavior did not exist before.... You cannot blame white people entirely for corrupting African-American people.

    African-American culture is more so to blame for the current state of turmoil that Black communities are infested with... Black culture, that is what needs to be revamped???once African-American people do away with stigma???s, inferiority complex's, the glorification of ???street life??? and all of the other counterproductive ingredients in Black culture, then perhaps there will be a chance!

    • Posted By: mswhyte @ 12/19/2007 5:36:00 AM

      While there is historical fact that African tribes did commit acts of warfare. African slavery system was entirely different. The members of the losing tribe were only kept in bondage for a period of time. Then they were free to join the tribe and have a restored life.
      However, all cultures have a history of violence and brutality.

  • Posted By: Vanity357 @ 12/03/2007 12:48:41 PM

    It is time for those of us that are African-American to realize something very important. We are a strong, strong race. Despite the horrors that our ancestors survived on the boat ride here, the way our families were separated and beat down, and the rash of lynchings during the civil rights era---we are still here. There is so much strength in each and every one of us that we don't have to take what mainstream media puts out there about us. WE shape our future. I just want to scream sometimes because everything we deserve is right there in front of us. All we have to do is stand together and demand it. It is time for those of us that know to make sure we help our brothers and sisters to get in the know.

    • Posted By: ruger14 @ 12/03/2007 5:29:08 PM

      Vanity357...why are you bringing up what happened ions ago? The people who are alive now did not do those heinous things to you, (would you like an apology?) not to mention not only is the african community outraged about what happened such a long time ago but so is every other race. The people who did do these heinous acts aren't around any longer and to bringing up the past only says 1 thing...that you live in
      the past and you won't move forward...you want to keep prejudism alive...don't you feel that's wrong? It's time to move on

      • Posted By: Vanity357 @ 12/18/2007 11:31:38 PM

        Please get a clue darling. My statement was made merely to point out the strength in our race. Nowhere in my statement did you see anything about demanding an apology or whining about the past. Our people are too strong not to be more than we are. Feel free to read my comment again, sleep on it, read it again, think, ask those around you with an education for their opinions, and then come back at me. Good luck.

    • Posted By: theprotz @ 12/03/2007 6:11:41 PM

      You know, playing the whole slavery card is about as redundant as the News Media playing the "Thug" card.. It means nothing anymore. Civil Rights is an accomplishment!!.. It's time for us all[White and Black and everything else] to move on and stop resenting each other. Black people throughout history are just as guilty of enslaving and murdering one another as the White Slave masters who enslaved them in the building of America, just as White America is guilty of alienating and brutalizing their own people when they spit on the Irish during the first waves of European immigration. Bottom Line: There are hardships in life... Stop Crying over it and do something about it for yourself and your family. Black People, whether forced or not, are just as responsible for shaping this country as any other race or creed has been. Maybe we should start by recognizing that instead of speculating over a football star's untimely murder.. And.. White People are just as bad at swindling their own to try to get ahead or prove a point.. It's a testament to the state of humanity, not race relations. If real equality is a reality rather than just a dream, then your statement about what "you people" deserve is base. You deserve nothing more than what you can get according to your individual ability, not according to your racial history. Yeah, slavery is bad from any account.. But.. Overcoming adversity through temperance and hard work is the best reward for any hardship in life, which implies that nothing is owed, but only earned.

      -theprotz: A white male that believes in equal rights, education, moral fortitude, life, love, and the pursuit of happiness for all people.

  • Posted By: kirt @ 12/10/2007 1:54:14 PM

    As a black mail even when you are in your fifties the sterio type remains though I'm college educated middle class. It is assumed that every black mail grew up in a gang, been imprison, and usues drugs. Most of all when anything bad happens to us it has to be crime related and somehow we were involved. Is it un-American for black mails to be victoms? When many timeswe are.

    • Posted By: FED UP @ 12/18/2007 7:57:56 PM

      YOU AREnot A COLLEGE EDUCATED PERSON. YOU CANNOT EVEN SPELL WHAT SEX YOU ARE!! "MALE" IS HOW i SPELLED IT, NOT "MAIL" WHICH IS THE WAY YOU SPELLED IT. "VICTIM"IS ALSO SPELLED THE WAY I SPELLED IT, NOT "VICTOM" AS YOU SPELLED IT. "STEREO" IS SPELLED AS I SPELLED IT, NOT AS YOU SPELLED IT.

  • Posted By: Cam99 @ 12/17/2007 12:36:25 PM

    It is a lot of White American teenagers out there who dress like thugs listen to the same Rap music and try to be like Black Americans. White Americans keeps talking about blacks being thugs but fail to see that the White Americans are trying to be like that Black Americans stereotype. They lay in tanning beds to get their skin darker, they try to get that " Black Hair Cut Style", they wear their pants hanging off their butts, but yet and still White Americans still try to talk bad about the Black Americans.

    • Posted By: FED UP @ 12/18/2007 7:39:23 PM

      Yeah, the white has has an ignorant element to it. The difference IS that the white race generally does NOT embrace these idiots who want to dress and act like some stupid black thug. The black race generally thinks that sort of behavior is hip and cool. The white race does not see it that way!!! The white race geneaally despises that kind of behavior from it's younger people.

  • Posted By: nursing1# @ 12/18/2007 1:11:24 PM

    Coercion is an on going existence for Black men, It has been since the begining of their time here in America. Using words such as thugs, street life, and the N word are ways that black men adapt. In every house hold there a family dynamics, Black men have to learn to take what they have learn and lived and make it positve. you can take a white man and a black man commit the same crime and the punishment will differ. The laws where not set up to protect black men, or their families. America has been and will always be a conquer and devide nation. read the Will Lynch Story, When Black men open their eyes and learn their rights as a people, and understand that power is in number and thinking, then and only then will they be strong. Then names used; thugs, street life gangsta etc will mean nothing, because they are only words that are defined by the person using it.

  • Posted By: SGarey @ 12/18/2007 8:48:01 AM

    Geppetto, perhaps you skipped that chapter in the history books showing that coercion existed in Africa decades before 1619 when the first slaves were brought to America...Tribal leaders in Africa brutally murdered and sold members of other tribes. Just because Black people were brought to America and indoctrinated with "western ways" that does not mean that violent behavior did not exist before.... You cannot blame white people entirely for corrupting African-American people.

    African-American culture is more so to blame for the current state of turmoil in Black communities... Black culture, that is what needs to be revamped???once African-American people do away with the stigma???s, the inferiority complex's, the glorification of ???street life??? and all of the other counterproductive ingredients in Black culture, then perhaps there will be a chance!

  • Posted By: Geppetto21 @ 12/17/2007 7:13:44 PM

    All of this black men are thugs talk is way out of hand....Last time I read a history book, blacks were brought into this world and then taught a new life in a new society....All of the original gangsters were whites that were ruling the streets, but as soon as the black man became just as thretening for instance Frank Lucas....People began to place all of the crimes in this world on the black man and their society....Scapegoats at times yes....But all blacks are not like that....all don't have the chances to get out of a bad area and explore new things....So if anybody such as USA today or the bloggers who write the comments on this story read this, then pick up a history and start from the beginning before you were in this world, and then judge the newspapers of today...

  • Posted By: pacdm79 @ 12/17/2007 2:43:32 PM

    as for thuggish images...
    way too many reasons behind that...
    but in most cases that boils down to a complete lack of HOPE...
    it's more than just feeling left out when around others who know each other and are telling "inside jokes"...
    how about you multiply that by centuries of being left out...
    it's like "WILLIE LYNCH" all over again...or maybe it never left...

    excuse if i am not relaying the message the way that i need to...
    a thug is a thug because they have no other way of getting by...or rather that is all that is happenning to them...just getting by, cuz they couldn't get a decent job if they did all that is asked of us...(degree, training, etc...)
    they can't because the racism is systematic...institutionalized...
    don't dispute this because I live it everyday...
    i am stuck in the bright kid, but he's black rut...
    I'm in the "one of the good ones" category...
    degree, appearance, etc...
    i haven't said forget it yet...because i still have hope...

  • Posted By: pacdm79 @ 12/17/2007 2:39:07 PM

    biznesschic...
    that was a great comment that you left...
    out of all that was said...and of course there is more...
    i think that the illegal war was the best part...

    oh...but a big part of the corruption of rap music is that blacks still buy into what the white media perceives as good/bad, pretty/ugly, etc...
    except that it's more subtle when it comes to what is released on cd and played on the radio...
    all that is bad or wrong with rap shows on video/radio in HEAVY ROTATION...
    rap is the new rock 'n roll...and we've figured out that not all rock 'n roll isn't bad...
    to anyone who questions rap please try to listen to what is NOT played on the radio...
    there is a lot of news reporting to be heard (street/world news)...
    there are a lot of people who would like to get their point across of what happens during the everday struggle...the good, the bad, the ugly and WHY...
    just remember that the WHY is very important...
    the WHY is not to be used as an excuse, but is often the catalyst behind the actions of the underpriviledged...
    (THERE IS JUST SOOOOO MUCH MORE THAT I HAVE TO STOP HERE...)

  • Posted By: biznesschic1959@yahoo.com @ 12/17/2007 8:07:14 AM

    So because someone/some other race creates a stereotype about another, does it mean that the stereotyped race must embrace and live up to that stereotype? Why must White American males, because they are called greedy, self absorbed, crystal meth using, mass murdering, pedophiles, war mongers become greedy, self absorbed, crystal meth using, mass murdering, pedophiles, war mongers? Don't whites have the brains, the minds, the will to change these stereotypes? I truly hope so...

  • Posted By: pillie @ 12/16/2007 8:20:59 PM

    So because someone/some other race creates a stereotype about another, does it mean that the stereotyped race must embrace and live up to that stereotype? Why must black American males, because they are called thugs, become thugs? Don't blacks have the brains, the minds, the will to change these stereotypes? I truly hope so...

  • Posted By: SICKOFTHUGS @ 12/11/2007 7:06:10 PM

    to: 1easylay....
    Im white too! That being said, I would never stup as low as you...1/100000...she sounds like a broke down nappy headed hoe!

    • Posted By: Lucy77 @ 12/16/2007 5:37:44 AM

      You are white and Ignorance ....Be proud.

    • Posted By: 1easylay @ 12/12/2007 12:44:28 AM

      That's ok sickofthugs.............we know you couldn't get laid...........regardless of color.

      • Posted By: SICKOFTHUGS @ 12/12/2007 2:54:00 PM

        Damn! what will I ever do???
        Why dont you and your girl go mug someone??!!

  • Posted By: DivineMind @ 12/10/2007 4:36:50 PM

    I find it to be a sad thing that a young man can't die in peace. Yes he made a couple of mistakes in his early career, but who has not made mistakes. He was a man trying to get his life back together and enjoy his wife and new born baby. Why is it that when a black man dies so soon he had to of caused it. When you keep calling black males thugs and that they will never amount to anything, never showing them a diffrent way of going about things. Don;t be supprised when they end up in prison and not on a college campus somewhere. Shouldn't we be uplifting the young black youth instead of always critising.

    • Posted By: catmanand guma @ 12/13/2007 9:51:01 PM

      a cople mistakes hmm. so it whites fault so tired of hearing the blame blacks put on white people my god. sad blaks are prejudice like whites hell after 2001 it was okay to hate arabs, i wonder prejudice comes in all color italions were prejudiced so was irish but people that want to succed can in the usa. but to blame others for induviduals decsions is plain stupid. i am very prejudice agains stupid people of all color.

      • Posted By: kimbo1 @ 12/16/2007 3:47:26 AM

        you are so disillusion about a black males life you should not comment.The white media controls beliefs and stereotypes-unless you live as ablack person in america you really dont have a idea of what it like.Im college educated and have a great job...but everyday i must deal with white people images of my race...ignorance bestow your ignorances....

      • Posted By: kimbo1 @ 12/16/2007 3:40:59 AM

        you are so disillusion about a black males life you should not comment.The white media controls beliefs and stereotypes-unless you live as ablack person in america you really dont have a idea of what it like.Im college educated and have a great job...but everyday i must deal with white people images of my race...ignorance bestow your ignorances....

  • Posted By: Alfordr67 @ 12/15/2007 11:38:26 PM

    What happened to the motto "each one teach one?" When I grew up, no one showed me the value of hard work and education. Someone did show me how to make a fast buck stealing something or selling drugs. The gangstas were the ones who were respected. The girls thought a baby would make some boy love them. The 'harder' you were, the more respect you had. It was a shortsighted view of things. I started to see my peers getting incarcerated, shot and killed. I didn't want that for myself. I found my way out before it was too late. Now everychance I get--I show someone else the way to a better life. I try to show a young person what rewards come with education, hard work, NOT being having unprotected sex and having a bunch of kids with a bunch of different partners... Being black, or being labeled a thug is NOT something you have to try to be. It's how people see us--point blank!! Because there is some truth to stereotypes, people expect you to be thug/gangsta and just a menace. I'm mixed race black and asian and even my asian family members (as well as people who don't know me) expect trouble from me. People don't expect me to be someone who votes, has an education, and contributes to society. I KNOW I've been treated bad because of my race/ or look-- But you know what? I keep my eye on the prize. I prove them wrong. I try to lead by example. I get better then I turn around and show someone how NOT to live in a shortsighted way, how to get ahead and live a decent life.

  • Posted By: Willow2007 @ 12/14/2007 2:40:20 PM

    Stereotypes aside, it doesn't matter what color you are, black, white, whatever. The odds of someone breaking in to your house, (as a burglar) coming in to your bedroom and shooting you are very low--unless you are involved in some things you shouldn't be. Now I don't know what kind of neighborhood he lived in, but in the neighborhoods I have lived in (which are lower middle class type neighborhoods), people very seldom ever do a break in/shooting. Burglars don't come into the bedroom and shoot you. Burglars who are that aggressive are armed robbers, not burglars. I am a biracial person, and IMHO he had to be involved in more than we know about. I feel great empathy for his family. But a lot of times people who all of a sudden have a lot of money get into things they shouldn't (ie drugs, etc). It isn't a stereotype, its just a fact. The odds of some burglar walking into your bedroom and shooting you is very very low. Burglars don't want to run in to homeowners. They prefer an empty house, or they stay away from the bedroom. I would assume that this family lived in a nice neighborhood. Something is just not quite right here. and there is no racial injustice or problem at all.

  • Posted By: biznesschic1959@yahoo.com @ 12/07/2007 7:35:53 PM



    Tanner:
    As my grandfather would say, " if you throw a rock at a pack of DOGS, the one that yelps is the one you hit. Don't be embarrassed, you guys have a history of:
    1. Having Sex with your female black slaves,
    2. Your white men were so sexually inadequate that white females found sex with a black slave exciting. or
    3. Male slave owners were so gay, that having sex with your black buck ensured that your sexuality would be hidden.
    As I said, I don't blame you, me being an African American female, I find that white males repulsive also.

    • Posted By: catmanand guma @ 12/13/2007 10:32:13 PM

      now who's is prejudice i ask hmm. oh thats right it is okay to be black and be prejudice . i forgot it is my fault for black crime, weird though my ancestors were not in america during slavery, i often wonder since you know history many blacks entrapped africans for white trade,

  • Posted By: theQ @ 12/07/2007 11:18:00 PM

    You got this lable because of your own criminal activities...everyone commits crime, all races, but when you commit crime 3-4 times more in "proportion to % of your race" and violent crime and then trying to make every issue a racial issue , you create your own problems. You sream racism as you have a gun in someones back.

    • Posted By: catmanand guma @ 12/13/2007 9:56:21 PM

      agree it so easy to blame another , its like the jena six bs if they wouldve been white they wouldve been prosecuted as hate crimes but , it okay for 6 blaks to beat a white kid were is the justice. and al sharpton is one idiotidiot.

  • Posted By: AndyatNewsweek @ 12/09/2007 8:30:49 AM

    Here we go again.....Lets be real about this, as black people. We want to have this view of ourselves as the this socially misjudged race, when in fact, we won freedom long ago and misused it. When I was growing up, unmarried pegnancy and the Gangsta" life were stigmatized by low income blacks. As a child, I was not alowed to associate with people who followed these paths, and trust me, we were far from rich. Today it seems that black parents dont hold to the firm hand they once weilded, and in some cases turn a blind eye to their childrens activities. When i walk down a dark street at night, I am not afraid of some white guy robbing or killing me, but a young black male. Racism aside (and it still exists), its an excuse, just an excuse, among the thousands we use for being screwed up as a group of people. We attack one another for not thinking in lockstep, and basically apply responsibility for the entire race on those who have succeeded. Politically, we let the white media dictate who our leaders are (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson etal), when most blacks cannot identify with them. This guy, like so many other famous blk males, made it, but couldnt escape the "keeping it real" attitude of blks, and devoid himself of thugs and their associates. I dont care if his father is a cop, a minister, or whatever, he was an adult, whose lifestyle and associations played a tragic part in his death. Now to those who blame rap music and media for the blk child ills, you folks have too much time on your hand. I watched the roadrunner as a child, but never thought that any pain I may have inflicted was glamorous. Its an excuse, plain and simple. If you dont teach your child to separate fiction from reality and to have a concious, then you are a poor parent. As the father of 3 younf blk males, I seldom filtered what they could see or hear, but made sure and questioned what they learned from it. as adults, I was sure they would see and hear much worse, so turning off and tuning out is NOT the answer. Basically, be responsible for your children blk people, as adults, that teaching will carry them a long way. As adults, they will stumble, but, I find that children as adults fall back to how they were raised. Do it right, and hope for the best.


    A Stanley
    Fredericksburg, VA

    • Posted By: catmanand guma @ 12/13/2007 9:45:22 PM

      i agree with andy to blame whites instead of blaming ones self is not to take responsibility. prejudice is a two way street but like the jena case if it wouldve been whites beating a black boy up wow they would have swiftly been called racist and hate crimes would have been included but, it is okay for group of blacks to beat up a white guy were is the justice i ask. been swiftly

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