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  • Posted By: 1easylay @ 12/13/2007 12:47:29 AM

    What I mean is there are people of all color who are thugs. I grew up in NY as_hole, so I know. I have white friends who make the black thugs look like girl scouts, ok. I think all stereotypes have a basis in truth, but nothing is absolute.

    If I didn't have vigilant parents and siblings and some good friends, I could have easily ended up in the "pen" as I was not a good boy. Good children don't turn into decent people by chance. It takes the whole community AND parental figures to do that.

    Race does not make people act a certain way. The way that race is treated, however, does.

  • Posted By: makysha @ 12/12/2007 7:16:14 PM

    Most blacks in my area on the lower eastern shore of Maryland subscribe to this image. From the time I was three to nine years old, I was molested by black males and females who later debunked my personal tragedy and chalked it up to being a childhood prostitute. I have lost faith in my people for the stigma they placed on me in my community. Hopefully, Obama will be the key factor in making them responsible for their own behavior.

  • Posted By: lobofan @ 12/11/2007 10:00:39 PM

    At first, I didn't understand where you were going with this article, then you really turned it around. Thanks for being objective and not projecting blame on others beside ourselves. I rarely agree with Sharpton, but according to your quote, he's actually making sense for a change. WAKE UP BLACK AMERICA!

  • Posted By: SICKOFTHUGS @ 12/11/2007 7:03:03 PM

    KIRT....You got ripped off...Where the hell did you get educated?? Are you being blackmailed or are you a black male?? Go back to school...quit trying to sound smart! Your Not!!

  • Posted By: Lilmissmouth @ 12/11/2007 5:30:13 PM

    1easylay, I'm mixed and I date a white guy, I know both sides of the color issue, I say that to say I'm not biased to either race, my mom is black, my dad is white. I do have to say that race does play a role in how the media portrays individuals, and the events they are involved in, as well as how a person carries themselves. When the media portrays so many black men as thugs, it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy, no one wants to be a b*tch, especially a black man who already has no many negatives in his corner, so he becomes that stigmatized thug. People assume he is dangerous, he becomes dangerous. I'm not saying its right, but it is a factor. Furthermore, parenting usually comes into play in the twenties. My mom busted her behind raising me right, sending me to good schools, disciplining me, YES I GOT BEAT!!!!!, and i still made stupid mistakes and decisions. Just because a person has what you call a "good" upbringing, doesn't mean you will be a good person and because you had a "bad" upbringing doesn't mean you'll be a good person. The point is that yes, this guy made some mistakes but he was changing, he was becoming a pbetter person, but all that is personafied is his mistakes.

  • Posted By: 1easylay @ 12/11/2007 2:51:08 AM

    Most of you people, black, white.......whatever are delussional.

    It's not a color thing, as_holes.

    If you have good PARENTS, rules, family, values and morals, you have a good chance at success.

    As a white man about to marry a black woman, I'm disturbed by what I read. My woman is smart, funny, caring, loving and by far, the most amazing woman I've ever known, and I've known quite a few.

    She grew up less than ideally, but had a grandmother who cared and MADE her do the right thing, i.e school, studying and being decent and now is on her way to a Masters in Social Work.............all the while having 4 kids, an abusive ex husband and alot of hatefull view like those expressed here.

    You people could only hope to be 1/100000 as good as she is.

  • Posted By: CranialImplant @ 12/10/2007 1:46:39 PM

    Amen to those with the mantra of inidivual character and personal choice as our reality. To those who toss numbers, and rationale for race hate, blame or redemption: Humans recognize difference in our species at an early age. Your current beilef means someone found you dumb enough and with such low self esteem that they were able to make you believe something you know to be true. The numbers "cited" are easily disputed if you use a source that has any balance, or one that is easily available and well known to the public. Slavery? Less than 10% of a population as owners is not an indictment on all. As stated previously, Black hatred came after the reality of the REsurrection. Black crime? Check your facts and understand the 2 million incarcerated in America are also in higher proportion for hispanics, and native americans. That ration is not an indicator of all the immoral and criminal behavior in society. The small percentages the racists (no matter the color) are forced to ignore the majorities and inflate some abherrant trend as the real proof. It is racism to use evidence as validation of proof. The rest of the world validates facts and evidence for proof. The second mehod is logical even to a stupid person. The first, needs a stupid person to buy into the logic.

  • Posted By: CranialImplant @ 12/10/2007 1:21:17 PM

    Al Sharpton is not a leader representative of all blacks. Who is the white counterpart? There is no spokesperson for a diverse group of individuals.Again, black homicide for all causes is at a low since recorded in 1950, at less than 7000. Since a growing issue is suicide among white, with nearly 24,000 last year, please press the arguments to fit that sad fact. Unwed mothers, as a raw number are greatest in white racial distinctions. There are programs and projects moving to improve inner city issues and the numbers back them. The CDC, is a more credible source for all homicide trend than an out of context statement. With 2 million total people in jail, and the halk that are black is not testament their community or culture. It is personal choice, for the criminal, or thug. The thug, term was used in the 1930's in describing the underworld criminal killing each other for a share of profit. The race issue is pressed though unfounded. Note the partial statistics and frequencies that come from belief, not a blanced resource analysis. You know a former NFL player who was acquitted by a jury but lost the civil case for killing his wife? Hint- Buffalo Bills.
    His name-Jim Dunaway-thug by association.

  • Posted By: JJ10 @ 12/10/2007 3:55:01 AM

    It is interesting also to note the race of the 4 suspects who have now been charged. Based on the statistical distribution of the united states at least 3 of the 4 of them should have been white, but that was not the case, in fact all of them were black. People like to point to the prison statistics and say that black people are disproportionatly represented in prisons and on death row. They like to cite the high costs of lawyers and state there is no justice. What if a far higher percentage of all crime is committed by a specific minority? If this is the case might not the justice system be working as intended?

  • Posted By: HankC @ 12/09/2007 10:54:05 AM

    One presents themshelves as they dress and act. Today most kids present themselves having the gangsta look. It is the sagging pants, etc. I understand the meaning of the pants being a prison thing. Individuals
    have the free will to decide for themselves. The result is that they alone have to pay the consequences for
    their decisions. You have to take advantages of the opportunities that come their way. Learning all you can.
    this means going to school, paying attention while there, not just sitting on the back row disrupting the class.
    I once read that a coach told Michael Jordan he wasn't good enough to play basket ball. He used that as motovation to become one of the greatest basketball of all time. I sometimes wonder about black leaders.
    if they had your interests in mind they would encourage you to set goals, present youself in a better way.

  • Posted By: dman @ 12/09/2007 12:32:15 AM

    I am deeply saddened by the death of this talented athlete-- and deeply concerned about the epidemic of violence that is ravaging a generation.

    I applaud African American Leaders who have the courage to stand up and say, 'enoug is enough'. What is needed are MORE African American men-- young and old-- who will defy the 'thug culture' being pushed on them and express the articulate and clear message that this is NOT what the African American Culture will tolerate. Many voices are rising-- like Bill Cosby-- but many, MANY more need to stand up and JOIN the cause. ZERO tolerance for 'thug death talk' is the only way to start the change.

    This is a tough fight-- but it's WINNABLE.

    • Posted By: Alfordr67 @ 12/09/2007 4:57:39 AM

      Amen Dman... It's a mindset we have to break. Arguing with people who want to lump us into categories will not solve it.

  • Posted By: Alfordr67 @ 12/09/2007 4:55:54 AM

    By law we are all equal, but in reality--no one treats us as equals. I love rap music. I wear my pants low. I wouldn't dare show up to or or to a job interview dressed like that. I recognize the difference between being comfortable on my own time and being professional at work. I'm tired of my culture being vilified as in the negative of anything being AMPLIFIED. I am also tired of our kids being told that a thug or a Ho is the best we can be. I wish more people would follow the example of WIll Smith or Ice Cube... Ice Cube grew up as a gangster of thug and speaks of what happened on the streets. He's gotten past that. People both white and black have taken the 'gangsta' part out of context and glorified being dumb--being broke--being promiscuois and irresponsible. It's bad because we're so used to being down that many of us think that it's the way to be as a black person. the mindset was given to us by slavemasters long ago and we (both black and white) have seemed to perpetuate it.

  • Posted By: DonnaEdmond @ 12/08/2007 8:52:40 PM

    Yes, you are truly ignorant if you think any of what you have written is true.

  • Posted By: DonnaEdmond @ 12/08/2007 6:30:27 PM

    Comment to tanner: Oh let's see, what have black people brought to the table? How about discoveries in medicine, math, music, and art. Sorry, white people cannot take full responsibility for electricity,cell phones, computers or cars; know your history. As for my hair, you don't know anything about me, so you have no authority to speak on that. Just keep making ignorant, racist, statements that proves the point that there are ignorant white people like yourself that are interested on blaming other people for their own racist beliefs. And no, honey, you are not worth spending more time on. Go get your KKK robe on and keep spouting ignorant hateful remarks.
    I agree that biznesschic has knowledge to rebutt the ignorant statements posted on this board. She also is quite accomplished, something that white people on this board can't seem to stand, so I say more power to her.

    • Posted By: tanner @ 12/08/2007 7:19:53 PM

      Sorry. You seem to have missed your flight.LOL.LOL means laughing out loud. I know my history doll. It's an un paying hobby. I know yours.also.Not your personal history of course. That is of no interest to me. I know that since emancipation yours have been nothing but a drain on society. The last time you were an asset to America someone was standing over you with a whip. I know that this is not an American phenom but world wide. I know that Africa would be starving after the land grabs if it were not for whites feeding it.I know that AIDs would not be an issue in Africa if it were not for whites AND blacks yelling for it to be noticed. I know that I am a lot of things but ignorant is not one of them.

  • Posted By: biznesschic1959@yahoo.com @ 12/08/2007 9:02:41 AM

    tomrhayes:

    Yes, I believe you are impressed, and that is the problem! You see, your superiority complex leads you to believe that you are better than African Americans. However, you have failed to accomplish anything in your life but yet you believe you are entitled to success based on the color of your skin. This warped sense of self turns to anger when you hear of a black athletic dying to save his family--or a black female actually living a life that you can only dream about. So you blog on the Internet with your hate and delusions because that is the only way you can feel powerful, while your life remains miserable. If that is your interpretation of an Average life style, no thanks--I have earned the successes in my life and did not expect it to be handed to me because of the color of my skin. Now, I have to catch a plane to Cancun. Enjoy that Budweiser and Nascar.

    • Posted By: DonnaEdmond @ 12/08/2007 3:09:36 PM

      Great posts biznesschic. Go catch your plane to Cancun and know that there is a person that wholeheartedly agrees with what you are saying! Happy Holidays!

      • Posted By: tanner @ 12/08/2007 5:01:23 PM

        So Donna, you wholeheartedly agree with biznesschic? Well thats just so special i'll alert the media at once. You also ask what have white people brought to the table?. Thats a tough one. Hmmm, let me think. Oh yeah. That computer sitting on it is one thing we brought. Oh and the electricity to power it. The cell phone that some will kill for comes to mind. Thank you,no don't stand. The car that you drove to pick up your puter and most likely the hair that you have sewn to your scalp. It's called Yaki hair. Do a search. Oh I could just go on and on and on but time is valuable and honestly dear you are not.

  • Posted By: SICKOFTHUGS @ 12/07/2007 3:13:24 PM

    donna...just move if its to much to handle....im not racest...just sick of the bs your race brings to the table...dont get me wrong there are a few out there...just dont have respect for the thugs pulling your race down

    • Posted By: DonnaEdmond @ 12/08/2007 3:04:59 PM

      Comment to sickofthugs:
      Wow! Just move! My ancestors built this country with thier blood, sweat, and tears; all for free, might I add. That makes me entitled to this country just as much as you(if maybe more) are.What an intelligent answer! Not racist? That just proves that you are. What my race brings to the table? What does the white race bring to the table? A history of opression, not just black, but indian, and american indian, murder, genocide? There are white thugs on the streets and in the white house. Instead of looking at yourself and how your views contribute to the racist history that is affecting the present, you give such a glib, thoughtless, racist, and ignorant remark.

    • Posted By: DonnaEdmond @ 12/08/2007 3:00:31 PM

      Wow! Just move! My ancestors built this country with thier blood, sweat, and tears; all for free, might I add. That makes me entitled to this country just as much as you(if maybe more) are.What an intelligent answer! Not racist? That just proves that you are. What my race brings to the table? What does the white race bring to the table? A history of opression, not just black, but indian, and american indian, murder, genocide? There are white thugs on the streets and in the white house. Instead of looking at yourself and how your views contribute to the racist history that is affecting the present, you give such a glib, thoughtless, racist, and ignorant remark.

  • Posted By: sixxsixxsixx @ 12/07/2007 6:45:21 PM

    I think what we need tp dp as HUMANS is stop making racial barriers for ourselves, How many times has a black/Latino person (on TV non the less) cracked several white jokes? All the time. But if some one like DOG says N#@% his show get cancelled of the air!! Big *** dea, Goerge Jefferson used to say Hoonky all the time, nobody said anyting about that.. Goerge Lopez always has some thing to say against whites, but no one says anything about that!!!!! And what about the Mexicans that protest here in America waiving a Mexican flag!!! It makes no sense to me....By the way. I am a Mexican American, and ive had to grow up with the white kids hating on me for being brown, and the mexi's hating because i was 1/2 white.....So in short!!! WE ARE ALL ONE RACE----HUMAN!! Blacks, Mexicans, Whites get over it...How come you never see the orientals complaining about being discriminated against, and they get it the worst!!!!!

    • Posted By: Si18 @ 12/08/2007 2:12:54 PM

      I agree with you except in one thing. Using racial slurs are still a big deal. These words carry hatred and should never be used by anyone within or outside the race. But some racial slurs simply carry more hatred than others because of their history. *** is a word that carries years and years of oppression, hatred, and injustice with it while *** simply...doesn't. Of course, that doesn't make it any more right to use but you can see why so many would get offended by *** and not ***.

      Racial barriers should be torn down but not to the point where we completely forget the culture, history, and contributions of each ethnicity and nationality. And that seems to be what you are advocating. Not acknowledging what happened is bad as it just destines it to happen again.

      And Asians don't complain about being discriminated against because most of their stereotypes are positive, not negative. I wouldn't complain if everyone thought I was super smart and talented either.

  • Posted By: biznesschic1959@yahoo.com @ 12/07/2007 9:48:46 PM

    Oh TomRayes have you not read my Post:

    I am the third generation of Master degrees in my family--I have sent 2 children to college and one is working on a master's degree at Loyola University, (you know, not a socialist public schools but an Ivy league Catholic school). TomRayes, if you are not making at least $75,000 a year, that means that you are a drain on my 6 figure salary, ( you are taking an earned income credit for losers!) Welcome to reality, I make a 6 figure salary, go places were the "mediocre", like you can only dream of. Sorry, but in America, you have to actually produce, not some racist diatribe where you are superior to minorities, but broke!

    • Posted By: tomrhayes @ 12/08/2007 6:20:12 AM

      Masters Degree? Wow I must say I am impressed. Six figures? Wow...
      You are a perfect example of what stigmatizes your culture. You rant about your successes, your income and how awesome you are, but you call people names, spell business BIZNESS and refer to yourself as a CHIC and your replies are so incoherent the rest of us think you are cracked out. When its no longer cool to spell business incorrectly, to be "pimping", to "jack people up" to listen to "Gansta Rap", to call each other "***" and "dawg" and to break the law to defy "The Man" you will be on your way to joining the rest of the US in quiet enjoyment of the average life. Frankly its people like you and Raina who wrote this arcticle that perpetuate the very stigmatization your are so vociferously objecting to. Personally I believe she should be fired from Newsweek immediatly for perpetuating racial steroetypes and inciting racial unrest in order to further her personal financial objectives.

  • Posted By: jonty30 @ 12/08/2007 1:38:21 AM

    If blacks don't want to be characterized as criminals than they are going to have to work hard at eliminating the the grain of truth behind the stereotype. Thuggery wouldn't be the stereotype if gang-rappers were shunned instead of celebrated and if getting a college education was the norm within the black community.

    The only ones who can really change this stereotype are those within the black community. Nobody else can do it for them.

  • Posted By: biznesschic1959@yahoo.com @ 12/08/2007 12:43:55 AM


    A crime like killing over 600,00 Iraq citizens for the sake or WMD (or oil profi for your rich friends) that never existed? You are so lame!crime like murdering 600,000 qra

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