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  • Posted By: okie_magic @ 12/04/2007 11:17:13 PM

    If Bush was told in August or September that Iran had halted it's weapons program, and then a month later told the press that a nuclear armed Iran could lead to World War III, was he just not listening to his experts or was he being dishonest....that is...dare I say it.....lying.

    There. That wasn't so hard, was it?

  • Posted By: Andycalifornia2007 @ 12/04/2007 4:38:24 PM

    1) You can bet that Robert Gates has blown his shot at a Medal of Freedom. They seem to be reserved for CIA heads like George Tenet who knuckle under to political pressure from Blair House.

    2) I'm not at all confident that in the long term Iran would ever trade its capacity to develop nuclear weapons for security guarantees. That's because Iran's only imaginable need for nukes -- even with Shia clerical paranoia as a prime directive -- would be offensive, not defensive (e.g. to obliterate Israel once and for all and thereby gain public relations supremacy for itself and Shia Islam throughout the Muslim world).

    We can anticipate this will change only if the Musharraf government falls and the US invades Pakistan to prevent its nukes from falling into jihadist hands -- and suddenly Iran finds itself squeezed with US troops and US-dominated governments on its eastern and western borders.



    • Posted By: clikdawg @ 12/04/2007 10:14:22 PM

      "Iran's only imaginable need for nukes -- even with Shia clerical paranoia as a prime directive -- would be offensive, not defensive ... "

      Now, here's where it really gets interesting, since W's conception of warfare is that a pre-emptive strike is, indeed, a defensive, not an offensive, measure -- and is therefore totally justifiable on any scale you wish to employ.

      The only grounds a nation needs is the belief that some other nation may, at some time in the future, represent a genuine threat to Nation A's security or existence. No hard proof is required, since nonbody wants to wait around for the mushroom cloud of absolute proof.

      And therefore, since Israel has nukes, they may possibly, at some point in the furure, use them against Iran (or anyone else). Remember, suspicion alone unbacked by hard fact is all that would be required of Israel's supposed intent.

      Israel is thus, by BushRules, a likely candidate for a defensive pre-emptive strike!

      That's what's in that Pandora's Box W opened -- congratulations, ***-head!

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/04/2007 6:00:34 PM

      you really want to put our troops in between warring factions i guess being blown away from all sides never occured to you, or you could care less if we get caught in the middle AGAIN! Did you not learn from history that being in between is the wrong place to be? What an attack from the USA or anyone else who wishs them to be gone from the planet, as we wish today, is not a defensive action? Invaders are not welcome in any country in the middle-east and never followed into battle. Israel lobs nukes into Iran so Iran does not have the right to defend its self, as we will not! If today Israel had more nukes than we do, Iran and all Arab nations would be gone, and we would not be able to stop them, as Israel can NEVER do no wrong EVER! WRONG! Today we can stop them by force, this is the only reason they are not at war with every country over there. They are Gods chosen, so let them fight there own battles, if God will save them, and give them victory, why do they need us to bleed for them?

  • Posted By: Interestedyoungmale @ 12/04/2007 9:33:57 PM

    It has been very well documented that much of this report has not been declassified. That said, if the resolution produced is a statement equating to, Iran in the long run will determine whether or not Iran will pursue nuclear weapons, than I view that as a waste of, not only alot a gov employee time, but tax payer money. I'm 19 years old and could have said in a 100 page report, that after much painstaking research and intel, only the Iranians will determine their future in the nuclear arena.

  • Posted By: Interestedyoungmale @ 12/04/2007 7:31:10 PM

    In reading this article, I find myself in a state of disbelief. This is the point our country is at, a point where 16 of our nations security and intelligence agencies come to the conclusion that, and I quote, "only an Iranian political decision to abandon a nuclear weapons objective would plausibly keep Iran from eventually producing nuclear weapons." WOW is that so, this is the "intelligence" these agencies have to offer?
    A sad day when stating the obvious is national news.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/04/2007 8:59:37 PM

      considering it's age as a country i wounder if they [Iran] said the same of us, at the time we did? after all we did drop an atomic on a civilian target to creat fear. i also wounder if this is when they got the fear, and relizied they to might need protection, from us, one day.

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/04/2007 5:37:10 PM

    Last comment to think on
    NEVER forget, there was not ONE country in the middle-east whos people did not dance in the streets when the WCT fell, NOT ONE, including Israel, Iran, Iraq [who we bleed for today ] and lets not forget the country where the terrorist CAME FROM, SAUDI ARABIA, our friends? None of this counts today, compared to ALL the American blood spent on those who danced, and still bleeding American red on forign soil, where we have no right to make laws we don't have to live by! Ask yourself would you approve of laws passed in Russia, we must live by, or else, cause we are an intrest? What would our intentions be? FREEDOM just like them! I have no intrest in Israel or anyone else over there, till we interfered there was a light but stable peace including Iraq. Yes Hussain was either a just ruler for giving what was given ie: a head for a head, or a madman, who did not have the problems we have there today, he had stability, by terror, but stable none the less! To save an American child from a sure death in Iraq, i'll ride a bike, so oil is not the moving force behind this INVASION. What are you willing to do to remove Iraq, Iran,Israel,Saudi Arabia,Syria and so on as an American intrest, as OIL is our ONLY intrest??? Finaly where is the missing 4 TONS of RX EXPLOSIVES missing from day one, enough explosive to make IEDs, RPGs and so on for 150 years?

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/04/2007 4:54:49 PM

    WHAT IS MORE EFFICENT- send solar and wind supplies, which are bought from the US and engineers if needed, rebuild Iran totaly solar and wind powered, no nuclear waste, no nuclear reactor, OR war against 1 million strong, costing hundreds of thousand American lives, and a few TRILLION dollars a day! You chose but only if you have children to lose, cause we all know those who have nothing to lose will always chose war.

  • Posted By: gtntz @ 12/04/2007 4:23:42 PM

    One year ago, this same author wrote, with respect to the violence in Baghdad and the surge, that "A few thousand more Americans on the streets aren???t going to change such savage arithmetic."

    We didn't know then what would happen with the surge, and we don't know now whether the Iranian on the street will keep a leash on the freak with the halo. I sure didn't hear any outcry when the freak announced that its neighbor oughta be blown off the map.

    • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/04/2007 4:48:05 PM

      The surge did not work, WE, TAUGHT THEM PATIENTS. THEY LIVE THERE, WE DO NOT. THEY HAVE TIME, WE DO NOT. THEY CAN WAIT, WE CANNOT. THEY ARE GOING TO WIN, AFTER 3000 YEARS OF IT THEY KNOW FAR MORE ABOUT THERE OWN SURROUNDINGS THAN WE EVER WILL OR EVEN CARE TO! HOW WOULD YOU ACT IF RUSSIA WAS IN CHARGE OF REBUILDING AMERICA???

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/04/2007 4:41:14 PM

    Israel has nukes and long range missles, neither country can come close to our borders and, that, IS ALL that intrest me and by what proof does anyone offer that Israel is not a threat!!! They posses more than Iran and do not reconize a democraticaly elected governments ie: the Hammas? if it [Israel ]were to be toppled stop making folks feel like every Jew will wither and melt, if Israel was taken AGAIN. Iran does not sell weapons to the Chinese aganst the arms bann as Israel does today right under our noses. We will not even allow Iran to go solar or wind, all componets are outlawed! why??? Can anyone in the middle-easty who is from there claim no terrorist connections-no-not after 3000 years of warring with everyone there! Kill for a thought, should only be used for pedifiles and baby killers, not countries, or WE would be the biggest threat world wide! Excuse me we allready are!! Bushs actions prove this!! Sanction Iran on the same day N Korea launchs missles for testing, very close to the coast of Hawaii??? Run the country not rule the world!!! UNTILL THERE ACTIONS SHOW-WE WILL NOT ALLOW ACTIONS! WE KILL FOR A THOUGHT!!

  • Posted By: dkcinelli @ 12/04/2007 4:10:58 PM

    Ok, so Iran stopped their Nuclear arms program in 2003 only after some serious pressure from the Bush Administration and International community. They have since continued to defy UN resolutions, arm and fund the terrorists in the region that are willing to blow up American soldiers, and refuses to "suspend" their nuclear enrichment program in order resume negotiations. In addition their leader calls for Isreael to be wiped off the map, the holocaust a myth, and supports Hamas and Hezbollah. On top of all that the NIE reports that they continue to develop long range ballistic missiles. How can anyone state that they are no longer a threat? Just because they halted their nuclear weapons program does not mean their intent has changed. Until their actions show us their intent is peaceful we must keep up diplomatic and economic pressure.

  • Posted By: pinkpanther87413 @ 12/04/2007 3:54:07 PM

    And the truth sall bring our boys home from a region we have no reason to stay or even be there! Iraq built it's self at one time and many times more, and they can do it again! without our help taking all there oil money they use to buy supplies and products needed to rebuild there own country with there own people, you know the one thing America WILL NOT do for its self!!

  • Posted By: mikesmithcomic @ 12/04/2007 3:23:24 PM

    The past seven years have given us terrorist attacks and wars all based on "flawed intelligence" or "faulty intelligence" or "massive intelligence failures." Is it just a conincidence that George W. Bush Jr. was president at the time?

  • Posted By: Metal Marc @ 12/04/2007 2:18:44 PM

    Faulty intelligence???go figure. At least we didn't go to war or even have a pre-emptive strike based on this defective information. Imagine if we went to war due to faulty intelligence.

  • Posted By: Azim @ 12/04/2007 1:32:37 PM

    By gully they (Bush Administration) finally got it as major intelligence agencies put the fact right that Iran does not prove to be a threat to the United States. It took them six and a half year to realize that after making a blunder in Iraq. This article positively distinguished between a botched intelligence by those on the side line in this administration and the real agencies that do so well in analyzing the integrity of intelligence. It is unfortunate that such ideological corrupt people were given the trust of governing this country.

    We all hope that from now on a responsible governing body that can bring about a transparent policy toward any state before making a fool itself.

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